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Do Other Bible Scrolls Exist

Do you think there are other scrolls out there besides the 66 books in the bible and that God spoke to other prohpets around the world and not just in Israel?

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>But Daniel quotes from Baruch ...

The other way around.
---djconklin on 2/17/10

**jack, When you get saved, you will no longer be amazed at the truth which I preach, because then you also will be able to preach the same truth.
---Eloy on 6/13/07**

Notice, Eloy, you are not able to refute what I have said (that there ARE famous Protestant Catechisms, that the LXX is quoted in the NT, etc), so you stoop to ad hominem arguments.

Says more about you than about me.
---Jack on 10/25/08

first to say do other bible scrolls exist makes no sense.the bible is a collection of books accepted as truth thru a process called cannonisation.there were many other books written but not included ,but mainly in the new testament.the old testament is basically intact.
---tom2 on 7/10/07

At the point of death he said: "You accursed fiend, you are depriving us of this present life, but the King of the world will raise us up to live again forever. It is for his laws that we are dying. After him the third suffered their cruel sport. He put out his tongue at once when told to do so, and bravely held out his hands, as he spoke these noble words: "It was from Heaven that I received these; for the sake of his laws I disdain them; from him I hope to receive them again."
---lorra8574 on 6/22/07

P2 That paragraph was from 2 Maccabbees 7:9-11.

This is from 2 Maccabbees 7:14 When he was near death, he said, "It is my choice to die at the hands of men with the God-given hope of being restored to life by him; but for you, there will be no resurrection to life."

Daniel really was not that clear, but these martyrs put their faith in the King of the World to come who would raise them up and make their bodies whole again.
---lorra8574 on 6/22/07

P3: Who is this King of the World to come? None other that Jesus Christ.

2 Macc 7:28 (the mother to her son)
I beg you, child, to look at the heavens and the earth and see all that is in them; then you will know that God did not make them out of existing things; and in the same way the human race came into existence.

John 1:1-3 Note especially verse 3.
Hebrews 11:35 refers to these martyrs.
---lorra8574 on 6/22/07

In Hebrews 11, every single example of faith is found in the Catholic Old Testament. This is good because otherwise we would not fully know what these exemplars did and what example we should draw from them. Many of the examples were relived by the early Christians who suffered the same fate - Paul had prepared them for this through his Hall of Faith discourse in Hebrews 11.

The Palestinian canon has removed some of these examples that Paul thought worthy of mention and it is no longer complete.
---lorra8574 on 6/22/07

.lorra, I answer your thought, "..."
---Eloy on 6/22/07

Eloy, I thought that you were going to stop talking to me. Nevertheless, your quote from Daniel is not very specific and only suggests a resurrection when viewed with the light of Christs teachings. Maccabbees spells out that they will have physical bodies when they are resurrected, and links this to a future event. The wording used in Maccabbees is what is reflected by Paul and Jesus, a wording that is not found in Daniel.
---lorra8574 on 6/21/07

I would point out that while the Bible does quote from a variety of non-Biblical sources (even Pagan), it is how these quotes or references are used that matters. Being quoted is not the same as saying that it is inspired. But Daniel quotes from Baruch and calls it scripture (citing it as Jeremiah). Paul gives us the Maccabbean Martyrs as examples to be followed and assumes a sound knowledge of them. Further, Paul and Jesus draw from the doctrines in Maccabbees not just the history.
---lorra8574 on 6/21/07

It seems I may be off on one thing. The reference to Moses' body may come from a book called "The Assumption of Moses" not from Oral Tradition. It is not one that I have read. I like to double check my work so that I do not mislead anyone. In any case, Neither Enoch nor the Assumption of Moses, nor the Oral Torah are accepted as canonical by the RCC.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

Warwick: I hope you have an hour to read because I will give you eleven references from the KJV of the bible mentioning twenty one missing books. Exodus 24:4-7; Num 21:14; Josh 10:13; 1 Kings 11:41; 1 Chron. 29:29; 2 Chron. 9:29; 2 Chron. 12:15; 2 Chron. 13:22; 2 Chron. 20:34 When Mike was mentioning Jude, he was referring to protestant churches and how they would corrupt the gospel of Jesus Christ for their own doctrines. Read it in truth and the Holy Ghost will confirm the truth of it to your soul.
---ashley on 6/20/07

.lorra, yhour lies just keep on continuing. Paul did not refer to the nonScriptural writings of Maccabees, and the doctrine of the resurrection of the body is professed in the O.T., the false writings aside. "And many of those who sleep in the ground of dust will awake: some to life everlasting; and some to shame, to horror everlasting." Daniel 12:2. Nope, no MakingBee here, just the words of God.
---Eloy on 6/21/07

Warwick, and all; Jude 14, the quote about 10,000 angels is a direct quote from the Book of Enoch, WRITTEN HUNDREDS OF YEARS before the letter of Jude, (I have a copy.)
other quotes; Wars of the Lord/Jasher/acts of Soloman/Samual the Seer/Nathen/Ahijah/Visions of Iddo/Shemaiah/Jehu/saying of the Seers/3Corinthiens/2Ephesians, etc. etc etc

Found in; Numbers 21:14 Joshua 10:13-2 Samual 1:18-1 Kings 11:41 1 Chr. 29:29 2 Chr. 9:29, 12:15, 13:22, 2Chr. 20:34, 2Chr. 33:19 1Cor. 5:9-Jude14
---MikeM on 6/20/07

Lorra is 100% correct, Paul not only quoted Maccabbees but NT docternal maternal is from those books.

I note angels appear at the Temple (Herods?) in those books. In addition some of the jargon from a section of the Dead Sea scrolls, pre NT, appear in the NT. 'Sons of Light' and 'sons of Darkness.'
---MikeM on 6/20/07

An earlier letter to Ephesians is refered to in Ep: 3:3 as one to Laodicea, Col 4:16. Uzziah Chr 26:22, 1 Sam 24:7. There are so many others, some are lost to history, some are not.

Its on these specific subjects, sola scriptora that I find most fundamentalist retreat. I have, so far used put 'one glove in the blog ring, as I begin to put in the other, I note a bailing,as exampled on the evolution thread.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

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Warwick see Jude 1:14-15 "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Jude not only mentioned Enoch but quoted what he said.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

These quotes attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all that He gave to his people in former times. Matthews reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting that no OT references are now found.

Isaiah 11:1 says root of Jesse, and in Hebrew netzer is branch-but that ref. is vague.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

Warwick, that quote from Jude 1:14-15 is a direct quote from 1 Enoch 1:9.

Jude 1:9 also recites the story of Moses' body being fought over by St. Michael and the devil - this from Oral Tradition, which the Jews held to great authority.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

Jude 14: The letter from Jude contains various allusions to the Book of Enoch, and now it quotes directly from it. This apocryphal text, written many years before Jesus Christ, has come down to us mainly in Ethiopian and Coptic versions; it belongs to the category of apocalyptic writings, which contain many legendary accounts linked to obscure Old Testament passages.
---Johannes on 6/20/07

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I have no idea what MikeM is talking about. In the Jude 14 verse he quoted the text refers to Enoch, a person & not a book???

Please give us Biblical references for the dozen other books you refer to.
---Warwick on 6/20/07

Warwick, Paul did more than quote from Maccabbees, he cited both doctrine and some pretty major examples of faith from those books. The Doctrine of The Resurrection of the Body and its association with Jesus Christ is spelled out clearly in Maccabbees, and no where else, and the martyrs from Maccabbees who died in the Faith of the resurrection of their bodies was used in Hebrews 11.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

Warwick, P2: The NT contains quotes from non-Canonical books as well (even from a Catholic perspective), but to use the doctrines found in the Deuterocanonical books as sound doctrine and to show that these same doctrines were held by non-converts, shows that the source material was inspired. Further, not all of the books in the Palestinian canon are quoted from in the NT, would you remove them for that?
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

Warwick, P3: Then we have Tobit drawn from in Revelations (Tobit was a parable not a historical book) concerning the details on the Angels. Parts of Sirach are used by Christ, part in the Lord's Prayer and also in the Golden Rule. The Book of Wisdom prophecies about Christ so perfectly that if the Jews had kept it they would have had no choice but to become Christian.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

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Warwick P4: The fact remains that at the time of Christ, the canon was not yet fixed. Who is responsible for the Christian canon - the Christians or the Jews?

I know why the Jews ultimately rejected the Deuterocanonical books - the closer in time we got to the birth of Christ, the more detailed and more developed the scriptures became - preparing the People of God for His coming.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07

Just going over the posts here; an observation. I am not RCC, nor do I plan to be. It is my observation on this subject the Catholics here on this thread have 'won' the debate, as others have bailed. FREE INQUIRY is a friend to truth, an enemy to a lie. A lie hates expository debate.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

In fact the Apostles DID quote from other books! There are over a dozen other books quoted in the Bible, as scripture. Enoch (Jude 14) and another letter to Corinth is quoted. I do not know what Warwick is talking about.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

Eloy, my thoughts exactly. I will keep you in my prayers.
---lorra8574 on 6/19/07

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Good evidence as to the authority of the OT is to see what books Jesus & the Apostles quoted from. They quoted from the OT books, (as you see in the NIV or KJV) as sober truth, the basis for what they were saying, and never quoted from the apocrypha or other books.

Good enough for me.
---warwick on 6/19/07

.lorra, You do not know me, nor do you know the Holy Scriptures which I do indeed see with my very eyes, but I also possess, handle and translate. To redeem the time, my discourse with you and your false statements is presently finished.
---Eloy on 6/19/07

.lorra, one final note to you. The words from God, and spoken from Jesus Christ, and from every saint are already established, and have been ever since their publication. Unless you become a saved born-again Christian, you will continue to abide in darkness, and you cannot really know the truth nor know anyone whom is of the truth.
---Eloy on 6/19/07

Peter; Those councils I place little faith in, they were political, with political agendas. Those who support accept Luthers sola scriptora need a study of history. There is no black and white, this is holy script, and that this is not. There is a general agreement about scripture. Sola scriptora reduces the bible to a mere talisman. I ask protestants, where is your apostolic authority to administer in holy things as in the primitive Church? The answer; only silence.
---MikeM on 6/19/07

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Do you mean prophets from other countries, nations, etc? Perhaps, but I don't think we can regard them as Holy Scripture. Because there will be too many disagreements - that is why the council set up the inspired books of the Bible. Otherwise we would be always arguing about it
---Peter5448 on 6/19/07

Eloy, you have NEVER seen the original Hebrew Torah, nor have you seen the rest of the original Tanach.

You have not established that the original tanach matches the modern one used since the fall of Jerusalem. The Dead Sea Scrolls were sealed in their cave at around the same time as the fall of Jerusalem and they contain the full OT of the Catholic canon, including 6 of 7 Deuterocanonical books in Hebrew (the seventh as only been found in Greek so far, but it was also present)
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

Eloy The Bible is made up of three parts, The Torah is the Law and this is contained within the Penteteuch. The Second part of the Bible includes the Prophets (Nevi'im). The Third part of the Bible contains the Writings (Ketuvim). The book of Isaiah is amoung the Nevi'im, and Psalms is found in the Ketuvim, NOT the Torah. Go to a Jewish website so see for yourself.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

Eloy, when Jesus stated that the Law and the Prophets lasted until John the Baptist, Matthew 11:13, He was referring to two of three main components of scripture as recognized by the Jews. By that time these two parts may well have been finalized, but the final part, the writings, were not yet complete as the NT was not yet written, but would be before the end of the first century.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

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Eloy, you need to do a little more homework. Please pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit and open your mind and heart to the Truth.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

.lorra, when you compare a copy of the original Hebrew Torah alongside of the Christian Bible, you will see that every single book in the Christian Bible is also in the Jewish Tanach; but when you compare the catholic bible, with the Jewish or Christian Bible you will find many added books which are not from God, many secular scholars in Alexandria were adding nonScriptural writings not found in the Hebrew Torah to their ever-growing "canon". Compare the inspired books with the apocryphal.
---Eloy on 6/18/07

lorra, the Hebrew Torah is all of the Old Testament, just as when I say Psalm 1:1 is the Bible, or the witness of John is the Bible. Torah means Law, it does not mean Penteteuch, Penteteuch is a term created only to refer to the first 5 books of the O.T., which is also the Torah, but Torah means, Law, and God's Law is found throughout the O.T., and not restricted to only the first 5 books. That would be like saying Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is gospel only, when in truth the whole N.T. is the gospel.
---Eloy on 6/18/07

.lorra, your bible has many additions not found in the original Torah, that is, your added apocrypha are not in the original Hebraic Old Covenant Temple Scrolls used in Judaic worship. I have read the apocrypha and found them to be forged by the unregenerate, and not at all written from the Lord. But you will believe whatever you desire. What prevents a catholic from stopping with the apocrypha? why not include books of fairy tales and romance novels too, for it is all the same- falsehood, not from God.
---Eloy on 6/18/07

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.jack, all that I say is true, because I speak from Christ and the Scriptures, however what you say is nonBiblical and falsehood. You ask me Who is Jesus, because you do not know him, neither do you know me, nor do you know him whom has sent me.
---Eloy on 6/18/07

Eloy, the Hebrew Torah is the Penteteuch, not the Tanach. Are you a Sadduccee? Did they not cease during the fall of Jerusalem?

As for your use of "canon", you do not seem to know what it means, you really ought to invest in a good dictionary. My Holy Bible is complete and without any unscriptural additions or deletions. You have not proven otherwise. Nor have you answered any of my questions. If you are a prophet, you need to call for help. I will ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

Now I suppose for clarification I should add one note of agreement with Eloy. Since the canon was still open until the fourth century, then technically there was no fixed canon, much less multiple canons. There were multiple and variant collections of books in use by Jews and Christians during the first three centuries of Christianity. It is evident from the NT that the Sadduccees and the Pharisees did not consider all the same books as canonical - just note the source quotes by Jesus to each group.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

P2: However, since each of the Jewish sects were pretty certain of the scriptures they were using, I generally describe their collections as canons. The only place where this might be misleading is with the Ethiopian Jews as they understood that their canon was not set and readily adopted the modern Palestinian Canon upon their fairly recent reuniting with mainstream Judaism.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07

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lorra, there's no such thing as a "shorter canon." I prefer to use the title "Sacred Scripture" which is "the Holy Bible", rather than "canon". Because one man's canon may be another man's epistle. The verse I quoted is prefaced with, When people tell you to seek other sources, like departed ancestors, we are not to listen to them; but instead we are to seek up to God alone, and to the law and to the testimony, which is the Hebrew Torah.
---Eloy on 6/17/07

**jack, You can have your google searches, but I will have the Holy Scriptures always and at all time**

But you do not have TRUTH in what you say, who is Jesus.
---Jack on 6/17/07

Eloy, you have quoted scripture that I whole heartedly agree with, but you have not been able to demonstrate that it applies only to your shorter canon.

Eloy, you claim to be a prophet (as mentioned elsewhere on this site), I do not make such a claim, but I have been well blessed (gifted) by the Holy Spirit and I have been asking for guidance every step of the way, and receiving it. Ignoring me will not help you.
---lorra8574 on 6/17/07

Eloy you are still avoiding the issue. You have not verified that you have a complete canon of scripture, nor have you proven that my canon is corrupted in any way. You have not been able to explain why Paul would give us examples of FAITH that we are to follow from Maccabbees if that book is not supposed to be part of scripture. You have not explained why the Pharissees believed in the doctrine of the resurrection of the body before Jesus taught it, even though they did not believe in Christ.
---lorra8574 on 6/17/07

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Those who want to know the real truth will read their Holy Bible and NOT a worldly Google search. If googling, search this in quotes:

catholic catechism

corrupt Septuagint

Hebrew quotes in the New Testament

sinners prating for the dead
---Eloy on 6/17/07

Those who want to know the real truth will read their Holy Bible and NOT a worldly Google search. If googling, search this in quotes:

catholic catechism

corrupt Septuagint

Hebrew quotes in the New Testament

sinners praying for the dead
---Eloy on 6/17/07

.jack, You can have your google searches, but I will have the Holy Scriptures always and at all time. The Holy Bible which publishes the very words of God is what Christians follow. Christians do not have catechisms, Greek Septuagints, nor prayers to the dead, all these things are sin. "To the law and to the testimony: If anyone speak not according to "this" word, because they have no light in them." Isaiah 8:20.
---Eloy on 6/17/07

.jack, BTW, a jew is not a Christian, and a protestant is not a Christian. A Christian is one whom is born-again, where Christ dwells in him and he in Christ. The Christian obeys Christ and worships and follows only him. If a jew does this, then that jew is a Christian; and if a protestant does this, then that protestant is a Christian; but if they do not do this, then neither are Christian.
---Eloy on 6/17/07

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**jack, there was no historical factual truth in what you said.**

For those of you who are interested in or not afraid to find out the truth of the matter, please do a web-search on the following.

"Septuagint quotes in the New Testament"

"Protestant Catechisms"

"Jewish Prayers for the Dead"

These have been refined to give the best results. Make sure you enclose them in quotation marks.
---Jack on 6/16/07

Eloy, you have still not answered my question. If the Jews jumped off a bridge, would you do that too?

Paul did not just quote from Maccabbees, he relied upon its doctrines to save his own life - rallying his fellow Pharissees against the Sadduccees. The Sadducces did not believe in the resurrection of the body, because they held to a different canon of scripture - they only believed the Torah to be inspired, where-as the Pharisees held to a larger canon.
---lorra8574 on 6/16/07

Eloy, You write as if your 66 book canon were carved in stone, without any evidence to support it.

The Septuagint and the DSS contain more books than your modern Tanach. Some early Jews held to the shorter modern Tanach, but others, such as Philo (who predates Josephus) supported the Septuagint (Alexandrian Canon).
---lorra8574 on 6/16/07

Eloy, Many Early Church Fathers wrote on the subject, and while they are often quoted to support your shorter canon, quotes often exclude the part about the objection of the Jews to the books that Christians were using in their churches as scripture. Even Jerome is highly misquoted on this subject. He supported the inclusion of the Deutercanonical books in the canon, but even then, others took his comments regarding the Jewish objections to be his own - he objected to this false charge.
---lorra8574 on 6/16/07

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Eloy, prove that your Bible is complete, show me where the doctrine of the Resurrection fo the Body (one of the most important doctrines in Christianity) is found in your OT.
---lorra8574 on 6/16/07

**jack, there was no historical factual truth in what you said. Sphallete, mi eidotes tas Graphas.**

No evidence for Jewish prayers for the dead? It's in their prayerbooks.

No evidence for the Heidelberg or Westminster Catechisms of the 1600's, Luther's, Anglican, United Pentecostal, or other Protestant catechisms? They exist. You can find them on line.

No evidence for LXX quotes in the Greek NT? They're in there.

Mere denial does not prove your point.
---Jack on 6/16/07

Part 2:

If you want to believe things that have no basis in reality, there's no way I can stop you.

Finally, if being saved means being such as you, frankly, I'd rather not.

Fortunately for me, I knew Jesus decades before I even heard of your existence, Eloy.
---Jack on 6/16/07

.lorra, you speak of "If" my Holy Bible is butchered, when it is not. You speak that Paul and Jesus "seem" to confirm your false statement of quoting from other nonScriptural books, when they have not. Your "IF" and "Seems" are empty. You speak of uninspired books which were added and bound to an unholy book which catholics use in their religion. The Jewish Tanach has 39 books which I have already cited in the order they are found in the Torah.
---Eloy on 6/16/07

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.jack, there was no historical factual truth in what you said. Sphallete, mi eidotes tas Graphas.
---Eloy on 6/16/07

Eloy, you still have not answered my question to you. Are you avoiding it? If your Bible is butchered and mine is whole, then how can I leave my church for one that is less? The Christian Bible has contained 46 OT books for more than a thousand years before the Reformation and both Jesus and Paul seem to confirm this, so the burden is on you to show me why I should accept Martin Luther's revision to the canon?
---lorra8574 on 6/15/07

.mikem, religious delusion is a strong wall to break, but your perception is faulty if you think the RCCs on this site are holding their own. I have been ministering for quite sometime now here on this site, and I have exposed their errors uncessantly, all the while leading them back to the undisputable Word.
---Eloy on 6/15/07

**jack, I suggest that you re-read my postings, for either you are truly deceived or else you need to learn reading comprehension.**

Once more you stoop to ad hominem arguments because you cannot deny the HISTORICAL, FACTUAL TRUTH of what I've said.
---Jack on 6/15/07

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Lorra. those were strong words by eloy when he says you need to leave a false church, considering he also belongs to a false church, created by man during the reformation. There is only one thing everyone needs to worry about. There is only one gospel of Jesus Christ, not many. There is only one truth, not many invented by man to deceive many. Man corrupts the things of God, not God. You see false teachings everywhere. Instead of seeking truth and living it every day, many choose to attack others.
---ashley on 6/15/07

.jack, I suggest that you re-read my postings, for either you are truly deceived or else you need to learn reading comprehension.
---Eloy on 6/15/07

lorra, you need to leave the false religion and receive Jesus Christ. When the Bible says to bear one anothers burdens and confess your faults one to another and pray for one another that you may be healed, this is instructing the living on how to minister to the living- not the dead. God is God of the living, not the dead, for the dead can do nothing no more for the living. Praying to the dead is sin. "For One God and ONE Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." I Timothy 2:5.
---Eloy on 6/15/07

**jack, I already refuted what you said, and I back up what I say with the truth of Scripture. **

Did you refute that prayers for the dead was a standard part of Jewish synagogue services then and now? No.

Did you refute that there are famous Protestant Catechisms? No.

Did you refute that the NT constantly quotes from the LXX? No.
---Jack on 6/14/07

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Eloy, I read the Bible all the time and when I converse with Protestants I generally stick with their version it. The Bible clearly forbids Necromancy, but no where does it say we cannot pray to saints or angels - in fact even the Protestant Bible shows that we can. And the NT says that we are to seek each others prayers and does not say that we cannot include those in Heaven (we just can't try to enter into two-way communications with them because that is impossible unless God wills it).
---lorra8574 on 6/14/07

Catherine, I have a personal fondness for Paul, and I have a proper respect for that passage, but it has more to do with rebuking the OSAS mentality than how many books there are in the Bible. I have the utmost respect for the scriptures and Eloy has yet to answer me where the doctrine of the resurrection of the body is found in the OT. The Pharisees held this doctrine even before Jesus taught it, so it was clearly revealed before the birth of Christ.
---lorra8574 on 6/14/07

Yet, LORRA. Paul said: "Be not high-minded, but fear [don't be careless]: For if God spared not the natural branches [the people of Israel who rejected Christ], take heed lest He also spare not thee. "BEHOLD THEREFORE THE GOODNESS AND SEVERITY of God: On them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.>>>We must always when studying God's word look at the buts and the ifs.
---catherine on 6/14/07

Eloy, read your posts. Please define self-rightious for me. There is among the fundamentalist this 'you cant understand or see the emporers new cloths(understand scripture) unless you are one of us.'

I am not now, nor have been RCC, nor do I agree with them, but on these blogs they 'hold their own' in debate.

I also do not agree with all LDS folk, Trent Locke, too liberal, Mitt Romney, too right wing.
---MikeM on 6/14/07

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.jack, I already refuted what you said, and I back up what I say with the truth of Scripture.
---Eloy on 6/14/07

lorra, I suggest that you and jack read the uncompromised Word of God, the Holy Bible, rather than any "other" uninspired books for the truth. The Bible clearly forbids praying and speaking to the dead, and if you believe otherwise than you both are in error and are not following the truth in the Scripture.
---Eloy on 6/14/07

.emcee, The only right way is Jesus Christ, the only door is Jesus Christ, not departed Mary, not departed Peter, not departed Paul, not any other departed creature past nor present nor future can hear you nor intercede for you, nor you for them. This is Bible, this is truth, this is reality. I understand you have been taught idolatry, but you need to forsake what you were taught and instead embrace Jesus Christ ALONE, there's salvation in no other creature.
---Eloy on 6/14/07

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