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Where in scripture does God decree human babies innocent?

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//1 Cor 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband, for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy" ---Mark_Eaton on 7/19/10

Now we know that we can't save our spouse and the spouse can't save us, so what's Paul talking about?
---michael_e on 7/19/10


/// Okay, if you people want to believe God sends little tiny babies to hell, go right on believing that!
---michael_e on 7/19/10

I believe this Scripture says that the children of believing parent(s) are holy and will be preserved in heaven by God because of the faith of the parents.

1 Cor 7:14 "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband, for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy"
---Mark_Eaton on 7/19/10


Throughout Scripture, one constant theme is GOD IS JUST! His infinite ways are higher than ours ~ far exceeds our finite, intellectual understanding. He alone can kill & make alive again according to His good purpose because "He alone is God"!

Yes, Michael_e! Babies aren't innocent ~ they're natural born sinners because of Adam's sin. Yet, GOD IS JUST & shows mercy upon whoever He will, i.e., infants, the mentally incapacitated, etc. (Ro. (9:15)
---Leon on 7/19/10


/// Okay, if you people want to believe God sends little tiny babies to hell, go right on believing that!

I would like to to believe that no one goes to hell, but I couldn't back that up.

Rom.9:15 ... I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion
---michael_e on 7/19/10


PSALM 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb, they go astray as soon as they be born,speaking lies.
---Richard on 7/18/10




Okay, if you people want to believe God sends little tiny babies to hell, go right on believing that!
---Mary on 7/18/10


//Where in scripture does God decree human babies innocent?

we have a lot of wishful thinking, but I have yet to see scripture stating they are innocent, but a lot to the contrary.
---michael_e on 7/18/10


The term "innocent" (comes from the words "in-"= "not" + "nocen" or "nec"= "harming or violent") is wrongly applied to infants, because the word implies a choice, choosing not to be harmful or choosing not to be violent, and an infant is not mature enough to choose right over wrong. Babies are born either sanctified, which is holy, or born unregenrate, which is unholy. And the kind of infant born is depending upon the parents which the baby is born from: if both parents are unregenrate then their seed is also unregenrate, but as long as one parent is born-again then their seed is holy.
---Eloy on 7/17/10


No infant is innocent according to the bible. If babies are innocent than why is it that when Joshua laid siege to Jericho, everything that had breath was put to the sword? Including babies and children. If they were innocent than God should have spared them right? And this didn't just happen in Jericho, Moses and Joshua butchered more children and infants along the way to Canon. Here's a question for you, If your pastor came to church and told you that you were supposed to go into your town and Kill everyone including women, children, and babies because God told him to, what would you say? You would call him crazy! If God is unchanging, the same yesterday as today, why the discrepancy between the old testament God and the new testament one?
---Cam on 7/17/10


Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven, [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.
Gen 19:24a-25a Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah...And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities...
Jos 6:17 And the city shall be accursed, [even] it, and all that [are] therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that [are] with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.
Jos 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
---micha9344 on 6/20/10




continued
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
--Do babies die?
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
1Cor 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean, but now are they holy.
---micha9344 on 6/20/10


I don't have scriptures. Babies - infants that are borned deformed with severe - handicaps, retardation etc, they have no knowledge of their actions. Babies - infants that are killed in abortion, or phys by the parents or other,
in accidents etc,( God knows the ages of accountability ) these are innocent & will be in heaven with God.
Think about this, those in the above paragraph prob will take the place of some parent - adults, where some adults wont make to heaven.
---Lawrence on 6/20/10


Why are babies born into sin when they haven't sinned try?
---Deborah on 6/19/10


John, cont'd: Yet, at times (1 Sam. 15:16-19) God has said to do it whether or not we understand why.

Seen thru our own eyes, based solely on our feelings, the slaying of infants is appalling. However, we must learn to see situations & circumstances thru God's eyes (by His word contained in the Bible).

God really knows best! He knows the beginning from the end. He alone has the power to kill EVEN THE INNOCENT & make alive again (Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6)
---Leon on 7/1/07


John: Good question (6/12). The rule of thumb was don't leave any enemy behind or else he'd rise up one day & destroy you, i.e., the innocent (unknowing) children would likely have become bitter enemies at a later date when they learned of what had been done to their wicked parents. So, it's far better for them to be returned to God in Heaven than to grow up & oppose God's will on earth.

Yes--the Bible says not to shed innocent blood. (Pv. 6:16-19) cont'd
---Leon on 7/1/07


Leon, I don't say it, the Word of God does. God decreed that Hebrew children 19 years old and younger at the time Israel denied the walk in faith in Exodus 19:5.
---Ryan_Z on 6/29/07


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Thanks Ryan. So, are you saying all the Hebrew children below the age of 20 were categorically "little ones" who "had no knowledge between good & evil"?

I ask this question because, again, your original question has to do with "babies"; yet, you keep spinning on "19 years old & younger".
---Leon on 6/29/07


Leon, my source is the WOrd of God, Numbers 14:28-33 specifically this passage found in those verses:

...according to your complete number from twenty years old and upward, who have grumbled against Me.

This verse states that everyone 20 years old and upward that grumbled against God did not see the promised land and those 19 years and younger were allowed entrance after Israel's wandering in the desert.
---Ryan_Z on 6/29/07


Ryan, How have you come to the conclusion all the Hebrew "little ones" mentioned in Numbers 14:31 & Deut. 1:39 were children "19 years old & younger"? Please cite your source(s).
---Leon on 6/29/07


Leon, have you read Deut 1:1-38? The entire passage is a narrative of past events. Unless you are suggesting that Israel is a foreshadowing of all the peoples of the world and the children of Israel are representative of all human children, 19 years old and younger, I do not see your point. The scripture almost becomes absurd to use as the cornerstone of a doctrine that places all human babies innocent and worthy of the promised land (Especially since heaven has not been promised to all humanity).
---Ryan_Z on 6/29/07


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Leon, The "Little Ones" in Deut 1:39 are the same "Little Ones" referenced in Numbers 14. This makes all of these "Little Ones" every Hebrew child 19 years old and younger.
---Ryan_Z on 6/28/07


This should take about one word: Nowhere.
To amplify, our whole Salvation is built around what Jesus did on the Cross to purify us from the sin of Adam, which came upon all mankind after the Fall, according to all orthodox theology. We were all born in sin. Something which the Pharisees quoted at Jesus, them knowing nothing of the Virgin birth.
---harold on 6/28/07


Ryan_Z: Innocent also means ignorant, to be unknowing. The Hebrew word "yada" (to know) applies to Deut. 1:39 which says the "little ones" (children/babies) "had no knowledge between good & evil." They were ignorant, unknowing, innocent.

The Bible doesn't say human souls are born innocent of (unfallen, guiltless, free from) sin; but, does say (Deut 1:39) infants are born unaware of, have no knowledge of their inherent (indwelling) sin nature.
---Leon on 6/28/07


1 Corinthians 7:14: "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."
IF we all are born sinners then, what shall we call them
children? Perhaps Holy Sinners?
---Nana on 6/28/07


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#1 Leon, you referenced Deut 1:39 as scriptural proof that human souls are born innocent of sin. If Deut 1:39 existed in a vaccuum then you would have good support for your position. However, Deut 1:39 is referencing a very specific event, and since scripture must be interpreted in context of other scripture, Deut 1:39 must be looked at in conjunction with Numbers 14.
---Ryan_Z on 6/25/07


#2 Leon, Numbers 14 is a companion scripture to Deut 1:39 and states that all the children of Israel from unborn, newborn up to 19 were allowed into the promised land. The two scriptures, Deut 1:39 & Numbers 14, must be look at together. Deut 1:39, in no way says human baby souls are innocent and does not answer the question when looked at alongside companion scriptures like Numbers 14.
---Ryan_Z on 6/25/07


Ryan_Z: Your original question pertained to "human babies". The Bible (Deut. 1:39) answers that question; but, you want to put a spin on it.

If you reject what the Bible says, what Leon or "Ryan" has to say is inconsequential.

"Whos little ones?" Please read scripture objectively in light of the context for obvious answers.

When & where did I say from conception to 19 years old human souls are innocent? I've addressed only your original question.
---Leon on 6/24/07


Deut 1:39 'Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.

Whos little ones:

Num 14:28 - 33"Say to them, 'As I live,' says the LORD, 'just as you have spoken in My hearing, so I will surely do to you;
your corpses will fall in this wilderness, even all your numbered men, (con't)...
---Ryan_Z on 6/22/07


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...#2 according to your complete number from twenty years old and upward, who have grumbled against Me. 'Surely you shall not come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb the son of Jephunneh and Joshua the son of Nun. 'Your children, however, whom you said would become a prey--I will bring them in, and they will know the land which you have rejected.
---Ryna_Z on 6/22/07


#3 'But as for you, your corpses will fall in this wilderness. 'Your sons shall be shepherds for forty years in the wilderness, and they will suffer {for} your unfaithfulness, until your corpses lie in the wilderness.


Leon are you saying from conception to 19 years old human souls are innocent?
---Ryan_Z on 6/22/07


Deuteronomy 1:39
---Leon on 6/21/07


Children are capable of praising and worshiping God. Mt 21:15-16. Parents brought their children to Jesus, so he could touch them. And if we don't come to him like a small child, we can't enter into the Kingdom of God. It is the parents job to teach their children about God. There were some no so good kids in the bible. 2 Ki 2:23-24. Elisha put a curse upon them and two bears came and tore the children, that mocked him. children are not punished for their parents sake. Jer 31:29,30, Eze 18:1-30.
---Rebecca_D on 6/16/07


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-1-
Though our acts are unrighteous, our new birth (gaining the Spirit) as Christians determines us to be "righteous" - 2 Cor 5:21.

Newborn babies have no acts of sin, but their new birth (having the spirits of their parents) determines them to be unrighteous.

As our Spirit at our new birth determines us to be righteous, the baby's spirit at first birth determines them to be unrighteous.

Sin is not a consequence of an act. Sin is a consequence of spirit.
---a_servant on 6/15/07


-2-
Regarding unclean spirits:
Job 1:6 Satan reported to the Lord in heaven
1 Sam 16:14 ...evil spirit from the LORD
1 Kg 22:23 ...the LORD hath put a lying spirit

Jesus is Sovereign. He can have the Holy Spirit overshadow anyone, as shown when causing Mary's pregnancy.

Since the Bible states the truth, the thief and little ones enter heaven, either in their uncleanness or after being overshadowed by the Spirit.
---a_servant on 6/15/07


A servant: in order to sin, you must know the difference between good and evil and willingly rebel against that knowledge. if you say they are guilty because of their parents, you condemn yourself too to their judgment. if they grieved the spirit there is no forgiveness for themselves or you. According to the bible, "little children are alive in Christ. Suffer little children to come unto me for of such is the kingdom of God." when did Jesus start allowing unclean spirits into his kingdom.
---ashley on 6/15/07


Because God made a decision to santify a few men by His Spirit before their birth, does not mean that this is the norm.

John the baptist was not "innocent" because of his parents' sin, but was still given the Spirit before birth for God's purposes.

The saved people of today are given the Spirit & are not innocent. So there is no need to marvel that John the Baptist was not innocent when receiving God's Spirit.

Jesus' Father was God. That Parent had no guilt.
---a_servant on 6/14/07


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Being adopted by God - Eph 1:5 does not mean that His Spirit dwells within us without measure, as it did Jesus - Jn 3:34.

Having a less than full measure of His Spirit = will still sin = we are not innocent, even after adoption.

A baby has not yet surrendered to Christ = not yet adopted = has no measure of the Spirit = cannot be innocent at birth, being born of sinful parents.

There is a difference between actually innocent at birth & legally innocent because of Christ.
---a_servant on 6/14/07


You say babies are evil through sins of their parents. Jesus said: if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. That means John the Baptist was evil at birth. Elizabeth was a normal woman. the babe leapt in her womb, filled with the Holy Ghost. you are also saying Jesus Christ was born evil at birth, because Mary was also a mortal woman who had sinned in life. theories sound so stupid, when you expose them as lies. it is a good thing the bible teaches us truth and not man.
---ashley on 6/14/07


John: Please tell me how in the heck can a baby be evil??
---sue on 6/13/07


A servant: why did you neglect to mention, "We are the offspring of God" "We are children of our Father in Heaven." "Be as little children for of such is the kingdom of Heaven." Since when did our Father in Heaven become guilty of anything because we are sons and daughters of him. True, everyone is guilty of commiting sin of their own free will, but nowhere is it written that we will be judged according to anyone else's sins. only our own in knowledge of good and evil.
---ashley on 6/13/07


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Nowhere. Innocent babies cannot come from guilty parents. All human parents are guilty.

Job
14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.
15:14 What is man, that he should be clean? and he which is born of a woman, that he should be righteous?
25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
---a_servant on 6/13/07


1 - RE: #2 Rebecca_D Psalm 51:5 states that he was born into sin (not that he was a sinner just by being born), and that his mother conceived him in sin (no mention of him). The term Holy in I Corinthians 7:14 speaks to why it is appropriate (once already married) for believers yoked to unbelievers to have children...it is not suggesting that one may be sanctified (or made holy) by being "born into" a Christian family. Only God can save (justify, sanctify, make holy).
---Michael on 6/13/07


2 - RE: #2 Rebecca_D While Romans 3:23 does have the word "all" in it, I believe the context of this verse is pointing to the general character of mankind, not necessarily to include infants. That is not to say that children "are" innocent (I have one, and he isn't :-), but I believe our Father extends his Grace to those who do not have an understanding of their guilt, thereby covering their guilt.
---Michael on 6/13/07


RE: john - Although I agree that the Jewish proverb referred to in Ezekiel 18:2 was a suggestion that children were punished for the sins of their parents, I believe the surrounding scripture also states that each individual is guilty or innocent based upon their own actions. Born into a sinful and broken world...yes. Born a sinner that is fully accountable to God at birth...I'm not so sure.
---Michael on 6/13/07


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3-#2 Rebecca_D, One additional note to consider is that we must all be careful not to hinge key theological beliefs on single words (like the "all" in Romans 3:23). Titus 2:11 states that the grace of God hath appeared to all men...if we were to focus in on that particular "all", it would appear that since everyone has seen it, we need not spread the gospel. Just cautioning a bit of care :-)
---Michael on 6/13/07


greetings.john.The human mind is indwelt with the skills to interpretet value.Adult or infant ,mind is free from sin transferance. Born in sin is slamming God with crippling his children and defaces the personality and nature of the almighty.Why would a man want to worship God when God forces his child into a crippling birth.If God is good ,what good it to an infant to be born sin retarded with pre existing sin?If it were true ,why will you /did you have children?
---earl on 6/12/07


greetings.john.p2.If only 8 survived the flood where did the giants on the plain come from?There were babies in birth through Noah's 40 days since the giants were numbered like grasshoppers.What commandments did you break as an infant?Did John the revelator say that the true light comes into every one that comes into the world?This is a modern age of slow spiritual progress for many and how is our God to retard the spiritual progression of his offspring.Is such the evidence of a real loving Father?
---earl on 6/12/07


2- these passages are from the bible. now try to argue them. Matt 21:16 "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfect praise. "Isaiah 3:4 "And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them." Matt 11:25:"At that time, Jesus answered and said. I thank thee O Father, Lord of Heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent and hast revealed them unto babes."
---ashley on 6/12/07


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3-Luke 10:21 adds: "even so Father, for so it seemed good in thy sight." Luke 1:41: "And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leapt in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the holy ghost." John the Baptist was a normal man. 1 Peter 2:1-2 "Wherefore, laying aside all malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envies, and all evil speakings, As newborn babes desire the sincere milk of the word that ye may grow thereby."
---ashley on 6/12/07


#1 Rebecca_D, once again you are making conclusions based on inferrence and human logic. There is no scriptural support that having knowledge of sin is what condemns. Adam and Eve transgressed, partook of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, had their eyes opened and became as God knowing good and evil. This then becomes an inhrited trait passed on to their offspring, humnaity.
---Ryan_Z on 6/12/07


#2 Rebecca_D, Now nothing in the bible declares there is a fullness of maturity when a human possess the full knowledge of good and evil, the word merely states, "All have sinned." and I will take God at his word. Scriptures such as Psalm 51:5; Romans 3:23 & I Corinthians 7:14 discuss the condition of humanity and children in the eyes of God I suggest we use those as the foundation of our doctrine, not human logic.
---Ryan_Z on 6/12/07


There is perhaps no more eloquent answer to this question that one could find, than by doing a Google search for the following...

Maxey and Reflections and 159

..all typed into the search box. Quite comprehensive, scriptural, and thoughtful. I'm more of a believer in the "20-21 year mark" crowd...but that is just because I feel that my personal maturation curve most closely aligns with this scriptural evidence.
---Michael on 6/12/07


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MikeM. You have jumped to conclusions. No one here has stated that babies burn or go to hell. The question is about innocence at birth.
Earl. You have persuasive logic but Ps.51:5 and 1 Cor.7:14 is God's word on this.
Your quote from Ezek. is not referring to infants but mature people who were blaming their parents.
It remains that there were only 8 righteous on the planet at the time of the flood. Babies included.
---john on 6/12/07


If babies were innocent then why did God order them all killed along with their parents in the promised land? Didn't the Israelites have to destroy the wicked? Babies included? I know it sounds very cruel and unfair but isn't this what God told them to do? So how can we say that those babies are innocent when God considered them wicked?
---john on 6/12/07


Ryanz; yes it may be a simple question. But we have been around this a blue-million times. We know by reading the bible that all are born into sin. But a baby doesn't have the knowledge of sin. Take Eve, she didn't have that knowledge of sin, UNTIL she ate off the forbidden tree. Then her eyes were opened, and she knew right then she sinned. Same with a child, unless the parents teaches that child right from wrong while young, how will they know what is right and what is wrong?
---Rebecca_D on 6/12/07


greetings.john.Did not Ezekiel say never again teach this saying,The fathers have eaten sour grapes and the son's teeth are set on edge?Did not Jesus say ,it is not what goes in but what comes out?Born in sin is a myth.Inherited sin is a myth.To vex,hex or curse is known as making and causing one to stumble.Is that an act of God ?Neither righteousness or unrighteousness is characteristic of infants.The child will grow to value one or the other.Did Jesus create to cripple?
---earl on 6/11/07


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Those of you who preconsign Babies to hell do not think through the consequences of your dogma. I note those who believe in this dodge my questions/points, and for good reason, the depravity of such a belief. Do the singing or angels in heaven cover the horrid screams of millions of burning babies in hell?

This vile doctrine renders God evil, if you cannot apprehend this you are dead. It reason 1# I am not protestant.
---MikeM on 6/11/07


Fundamentalist use 1 Cor and a verse from Psalms for their justification babies burning. Are you able to apply the same literal meaning to 'Do not suffer a witch to live' as our protestant forefathers 'traditionally did? Do you know any fundamentalit NFL players who wear gloves on the field, as touching a dead pig is unclean? Literalism is an effort in capriciousness, used/dismissed at will.
---MikeM on 6/11/07


Literalism:

Gen. 9:6; Ex. 21:12-14,20,23; Lev. 24:17,21; Num. 35:16-34; Deut. 19.
Failing to circumcise - Gen. 17:14; Ex. 4:24,25.
Eating leavened bread during feast of unleavened bread - Ex.
2:15,19.
Smiting Parents- Ex. 21:15.
Kidnapping - Ex. 21:16; Deut. 24:7.
Cursing Parents - Ex. 21:17; Lev. 20:9.
Negligence with animals that kill - Ex. 21:28-32.
Witchcraft - Ex. 22:18.
Bestiality - Ex. 22:19; Lev. 18:23-29; 20:15,16.
---MikeM on 6/11/07


I was taught only Jesus Christ can judge everyone in the world. If I listened to everyone here, no one returns to God because all have sinned and openly rebelled against God many times without repenting. Jesus judges everyone separately. He knows our hearts and gives us a chance to repent in life. Everyone says I am saved, the blood washed me clean, but then say no, the blood does not cover you because you don't know good from evil yet and have never sinned. When did Jesus become a respector of persons?
---ashley on 6/11/07


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Earl. If I died at 1 day old and my parents were wicked then I would be unclean, not innocent, and would have qualified to be destroyed along with my wicked parents in the flood or in Sodom, should I have lived there.
But Scripturally, If 1 of my parents were believers then I would have been holy and I would have been saved from the flood and from the fire and bromstone. To me it remains that babies born to unbelievers are not innocent, they are as it says, unclean and wicked and are unrighteous.
---john on 6/11/07


Ryan_Z, I'll answer your question! There is NO scripture that says babies are born "innocent." We are all born sinners, and sin because we are sinners, we are not sinners because we sin. There have been no innocent births since creation, except for Jesus Christ, who was born sinless and lived a perfect sinless life, because He was and is the ONLY begotten Son of God.
---tommy3007 on 6/11/07


Ryan; Perhaps this is the scripture that tells it all Psl.51.5 "Surely I was sinful at birth,sinful from the time my mother concieved me" (NIV) This scripture is true! "Unless you become as little children" is talking about an attitude, not a birth right!
---1st_cliff on 6/11/07


greetings.John.When our life records of good and evil are examined is not justification for continuing life based by what one does with his/her life?If it is not then good or evil is not relavant nor is decision making and pre destination is constant (every one is a machine and no choice is presented for the living).We do not sin if we did not sin(thought of evil followed by evil action ).We ,at birth are unable to experiment with good or evil.What were your thoughts as an infant?
---earl on 6/11/07


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For those who think the children of the wicked are innocent look at 1 Cor7:14. One believing spouse means holy children and no believing spouses means unclean children. Unbelievers' children are born unclean, not holy. Because these babies and children had wicked parents they were all destroyed at the flood and in Sodom and Gomorrah.
The child Jesus told us to be like could not have been the child of 2 unbelieving spouses.
---john on 6/11/07


#1 Jackie, **And whats the fundamental attribute of a child? Innocence.**

I suggest innocence is not an attribute of children. Children are naive and ignorant to social etiquette and we look at it as cute. But to say innocence is a fundamental quality is not entirely accurate.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07


#2 Jackie, The fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness & self-control, a human child born of the flesh displays none of these qualities. Human babies are not self-sacraficing they are self-indulgant; I should know I have a 3 year old and a 1 year old.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07


#3 Jackie, So what was Jesus teaching in the scripture you quoted? The fundamental quality of children is dependence. Children depend on their parents for shelter, nourishment, guidance, discipline and love. This is exactly as we should become, dependant on our heavenly Father, this is how we are to be such as little children.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07


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I note that no one has answered the blog question with undeniable scriptural proof.
---Ryan_Z on 6/11/07


Earl. I believe you are wrong about a person having to do unrighteous acts before they are unrighteous. Look at the times God destroyed the wicked. At the flood and Sodom and Gomorrah he killed every little baby there was right along with their wicked parents. There was no righteous people in the world or in Sodom and Gomorrah so God destroyed them.
---john on 6/11/07


Read Matthew 18:3. Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. And whats the fundamental attribute of a child? Innocence. But rather than restarting the argument under a new thread, you would do every one well, if you continued participating in the same topic that is on-going until it reached a logical conclusion.
---Jackie on 6/11/07


Rebecca_D, I am asking a simple question. This question points to the foundation of your doctrine, I am amused you don't want to answer it. Just provide one scripture that claims all of humanity to be conceived and born in innocence.
---Ryan_Z on 6/10/07


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Paul warns Titus to shun those people who deal in foolish questions and argue about the merits of the old testament laws. They condemn themselves by such vain and senseless behavior.>>>[Titus 3,9-11].
---catherine on 6/10/07


greetings.One must at first act unrighteous to become unrighteous.Sin is an act not a pre life predestined decision pre determined for us.How can one sin if he/she did not yet sin?It is true when man or angel becomes conscious imperfection exists and the potential exists to embrace sin not born with sin.
---earl on 6/10/07


You would know the answer if you would just study the bible. You ask questions like this, and wait until you get a few replies and then you try to start an arguement over who is right and who is wrong. If you haven't learned anything by now on these topics, then poor, poor you.
---Rebecca_D on 6/10/07


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