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Soul Enters The Body

When does the soul enter the body; at conception, or at birth? Genesis seems to indicate that man does not become a living soul until he breathes the breath of life...true or not?

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Christ had to explain to Nicodemus that we have to be born of water (the amniotic
fluid of the womb) and born again spiritually.

So our first life is after birth thru the birth canal and amniotic fluid. Our second spiritual birth is by faith by which we are imputed a new spirital life.
---vaugghn on 7/14/10


Conclusion:
Jer1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee,and before thou camest forth out the womb I sanctified thee...
Eph1:4According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it.
Ez18:4
Be hold, all souls are Mine...
Rom9(all)...[the children]being not yet born,neither havng done any good or evil,that the purpose of God according to the election might stand,not of works,but of Him That calleth..."Jacob I loved,but Esau have I hated."
---char on 6/6/10


Amen-joseph,
Bless you brother.
---char on 6/4/10


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
---micha9344 on 5/30/10


According to the Bible, the soul NEVER enters the body. Likewise, the soul NEVER leaves the body. It is the breath of God, or life-giving spirit, force, principle, or whatever that enters and leaves the body. The soul is the RESULT of the combination of body and breath. When the combination is broken (death), the soul ceases to exist until recreated at the resurrection.
---jerry6593 on 5/30/10




Char, Re your post on 5/20/10. I would just like to express that I, for one, am in total agreement with your "raw-understanding" of this:o)
---joseph on 5/29/10


When does the soul enter the body,

I think you mean when does thebreathof life/ breathof God enter the body.

Because it isonly when thebreathenters the body do we have a soul.

My answer is: I don't know
It may be at conception, but it cannot be at birth bevcaiuse the lungs already have some air in it at birth.

But the clue may be in the last part of Numbers 5.
---francis on 5/24/10


To my raw-understanding:
-nepesh(soul)pertains to the Name of the life given.
Gen2:7At this point Elohim was not creating soul but rather ... the man('eth-Ha-adom)breath to become a living soul. The soul(nepesh)needs flesh.
Soul as in breath(ne-shamah/ne-shem-ah)from the root word-to breath and centers from shem(Name),to inhale and exhale. Neshamah reveals the presence of the Name it is assigned to.Ex6:3,Rev14:1 Jn10:3 he calleth his own sheep by Name.
Spirit-ruach-ruachah:is the presence of breath and from where the very presence of life comes. HaShem "The Name" who sustain all and is in all.
Ha- "The"
Shem-"Name"
Shema-(hear)name-position-understood
Yah appoints man to become a living soul
---char on 5/20/10


Thank you also, joseph. It is refreshing to see someone willing to learn and not just try to instruct. I am often guilty of the latter, but understand that I don't know what I should as well.
I can give you my understanding at this time and maybe through an edifying dialogue, we can both be instructed and strengthened in our faith.
Just as the word 'day' or 'yom' has different meanings depending on context, 'ruwach', 'pneuma', 'neshamah', 'nephesh' also do. They have been translated into different words to try to express this context. Therefore, 'nephesh' does not always mean 'soul' and 'soul' does not always mean 'body' plus 'breath'.
---micha9344 on 5/18/10


Micha9344, you are quite welcome. My understanding is that the application, Spiritually, is the same whether the word used is ruwach or pueuma. They are in reference to the same Spirit. However I acknowledge that my understanding is limited. Perhaps you can help me in that understanding. I am always opened to being corrected if something that I share can be shown to be in error. The entire chapter of 1 Cor. 2 is, to my understanding, in reference to the Father's Direct Divine inspiration and enlightenment, in other words, the shared Wisdom of God, as opposed to the insight or wisdom gained through this sensually based system of things. I look forward to your reply. Thanks
---joseph on 5/18/10




joseph, You're giving examples for use of Hebrew words with Greek passages?
Anyway, thanks for your interpretations, answers, and examples, but they don't hold water throughout scripture.
There is more than just body and breath as referenced by these Hebrew words in context.
---micha9344 on 5/16/10


Friendly blogger--I would put nothing past the ACLU. But I've never heard them trying to keep anybody from mouth-breathing! What is their reasoning? What if you have a cold or allergies and thus cannot breathe through your nose.?

In general, it is probably healthier to breathe through the nose, because the fine hairs inside the nose filter out harmful particles including some bacteria. But occasional deep breathing (easier with the mouth open)has definite benefits, too. WHAT is the concern of the ACLU?
---Donna66 on 5/16/10


Bill bila: "I accept that the soul is spiritual. So, it could exist *before* physical conception, and then God could develop the human body along with the already existing soul."

That sounds awfully close to reincarnation. Besides, the Bible states clearly that only GOD has immortality.
---jerry6593 on 5/16/10


Where does the neshamah go when the body dies? Into the wind.
When did the ruwach enter the body before it goes back to God at death? When the body received life.
If a person does not become a 'soul' until birth, what does that say about conception and abortion? The soul is inherent in the life.
Neshamah is the 'breath' (of God), (of man), and of every breathing thing.
It is simply respiration, as that which is vital for life. e.g. Job 34:14,15
Spiritually, in reference to man, it refers to a given ability to receive direct Divine inspiration from the Father. e.g. Job 32:8
Ruwach in this application is simply that which is breathed, (inspired), and Nephesh is the given ability to breath, (inspire or be inspired). e.g.1Cr 2:12
---joseph on 5/16/10


micha9344, here is more of the answer YahWeh [Longer spelling of YHWH] is also the act of human respiration.

Breath through your mouth and listen as you do it. Inhale sharply and exhale sharply do it several times and listen as you do so. You should hear a Yah sound as you inhale and a Weh sound as you exhale. Putting it together you invoke the name of God with every breath you take. And you can't do that until you are actually born and breathing.

And of course the ACLU understood this a long time ago and is trying to keep children from breathing through their mouths in public schools and adults in all government settings. Because we can't have this Godly breathing going on.
---Friendly_Blogger on 5/16/10


So, a person has a neshamah, nephesh, and ruwach--spirit, body, and breath--soul.
Where does the neshamah go when the body dies?
When did the ruwach enter the body before it goes back to God at death?
If a person does not become a 'soul' until birth, what does that say about conception and abortion?
---micha9344 on 5/14/10


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I accept that the soul is spiritual. So, it could exist *before* physical conception, and then God could develop the human body along with the already existing soul. And so, the soul would never go "into" the body. My take is that your soul is the experiencing you which is spiritual so you can enjoy God, "one spirit with Him" (in 1 Corinthians 6:17) in such beautifully wonderful intimacy of His love (Romans 5:5) having Heaven's own beauty and sweetly soothing immunity. But "carnal" people spiritually can't enjoy God, but only the nasty mess of their selfishness-infected nature. But they can feel pleasures in their bodies, and so they are very into using pleasure to try to make themselves feel better.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/14/10


micha9344, you are throwing different elements together and making a convolution of scripture. When Jesus formed the first man Adam in his shape out of the soil of the earth and then he breathed his own spirit into him, he does not need to still keep doing this, because now man procreates through the two- man and woman- come together and become one flesh, and produce the offspring without having to shape the offspring from the soil again as originally done.
---Eloy on 5/14/10


Saying the same thing over an over again does not make it come true.
Gen 1:21a And God created great whales, and every living creature(chay nephesh) that moveth
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath(neshamah) of life, and man became a living soul(chay nephesh).
Lev 21:11 Neither shall he go in to any dead body(muwth nephesh)
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit(ruwach) shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit(ruwach) of man that goeth upward, and the spirit(ruwach) of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Now, where does the neshamah go?
---micha9344 on 5/13/10


A soul is a living being.

Just as a nail and some wood make up a box, so does the breath of God in the body of a man make up a soul.

Once you take apart the nail and the wood you can no longer call it a box.
Once the breath of God leaves the body, it is no longer a soul. it is a body, a dead one.
---francis on 5/13/10


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I don't think we can take Adam's creation and God breathing life into him as an exact moment WE ALL become a living soul. After all, we are not ALL individually created like Adam out of the dust of the earth.

LIFE BEGINS the moment sperm joins egg. When Mary conceived of the a Holy Spirit, was not LIFE in her before Jesus physical birth? When Elizabeth was with John the Baptist was not LIFE also in her.

When Mary and Elizabeth met, they both experienced movement of LIFE in them. BOTH were told before any breath of life came at Birth what their names were to be.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/10


The soul is not separate from the body, they are integrated together as one life, just as the blood is not separate from the blood veins, nor is the air separate from the lungs. Life starts with a thought, "I will have a son or a daughter, or let us make a baby", then the Spirit adds to this thought to cause the action necessary to bring forward the thought, namely, producing the child. And if you know about the birds and the bees, the man and woman get busy together and the man's seed is planted inside the woman and conception begins. All this is life, the thought, the Spirit, the blood, the seed, the conception, even the baby actively living and growing inside of the womb, the infants soul is not the man's soul nor the woman's soul.
---Eloy on 5/13/10


Does Genesis indicate this? Or does it recount that the first man, Adam, become a living soul only when God breathed in him the breath of life.

No one since Adam is made literally from the dust of the earth.

Since Adam, humans are genetically designed to breathe independently at birth. However, respiration, on the cellular level, takes place long before... even from conception, through the mother's blood stream.
---Donna66 on 5/12/10


Lev 19:28a Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead(nephesh)
Lev 21:1b There shall none be defiled for the dead(nephesh) among his people:
Lev 21:11 Neither shall he go in to any dead body(muwth nephesh)
Num 9:6a And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body(muwth nephesh)
Gen 2:7b and man became a living soul(chay nephesh)
Gen 1:21a And God created great whales, and every living creature(chay nephesh) that moveth
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature(chay nephesh) after his kind
So, what is different from man and beast?
Maybe not his breath(ruwach), nor his body(nephesh), but his spirit(neshamah).
---micha9344 on 5/12/10


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The soul is the personal sense of identity which defines a person as separate from his environment, or other people. The recognition of self as an individual is acted out within one's ability to think, to assess and to act. So the term "soul" naturally describes the accepted definition of those qualities of Mind,(independent thought process)Will,(capacity to choose) and Emotion.(reactionary mental response)

Many confuse "soul" with "spirit". Spirit defines the Character of God, a person, or an animal. We can say one "acts like a monkey" --yet what we are truly saying is the individual is acting in ways CHARACTERISTIC of a monkey, or with the "spirit" of a monkey (Chinese application).
---Elaine on 5/12/10


Soul is the Hebrew word Nephesh. it is a state of being "alive and independently breathing" the term is applicable to any mammal. It is not something you acquire you are a soul as long as you are alive and breath. it is not something that existed before you were born. When a baby is born and takes it's first breath it is then Nephesh (Soul). A fetus can not be Nephesh becasue it can not independently breath, it is just prelife. If it is successfully born and breathes it be comes actual life Nephish. When the body stops breathing and dies you are no longer Nephish. Nothing transcends death. When Resurrection occurs you are Nephesh again and your eternal life starts.
---Friendly_Blogger on 5/12/10


Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
---micha9344 on 5/10/10


MAKING OF A SOUL:

BODY plus BREATH OF GOD

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

END OF A SOUL:

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Thus we can conclude that a soul is any living being. A body with breath in it.

Once the two are seperated we no longer have a soul. Just a body.
---FRANCIS on 5/10/10


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Cluny: "Remember, what is death, but the separation of the soul from the body?"

Not exactly. The Bible says that death is the breakup of the soul into its two constituent parts - dust and breath of life. As:

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
---jerry6593 on 5/10/10


Christianity teaches that the soul is infused at the moment of conception.

It takes BOTH to make the complete person.

Furthermore the Eastern Christians writers believed that it is the presence of the soul that builds up the physical body during gestation.

Remember, what is death, but the separation of the soul from the body?
---Cluny on 5/8/10


OK, I looked up Yogananda. He was just another Indian Hindu guru who taught reincarnation - a concept completely at odds with the Bible. He is of no relevance to Christians.
---jerry6593 on 5/8/10


Mary: Who in the world is "Yogananda?" And why should a Christian care what he/she/it thinks?
---jerry6593 on 2/27/10


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The soul does not enter the body. The breath of God enters the body, and the soul is the result of that union - a combination of the two.
---jerry6593 on 2/27/10


there are no scriptures that say " the soul enters the body"

It is the SPIRIT of GOD / breath of God that enters the body. An not at conception ( my opinion) because if the spirit enters through the nostril, it is not possible that we have nostrils or lungs at conception.


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.

Job 27:3 All the while my breath [is] in me, and the spirit of God [is] in my nostrils,
---francis on 2/26/10


From "Conversations with Yogananda." This basic question of life is addressed in entry #177:

"...It is a common belief these days that until a child is actually born, it is not yet a consciously developing human being. This belief is fallacious.

When does the soul enter the body? someone asked the Master.

At the moment of conception, he replied. When the sperm and ovum unite, there is a flash of light in the astral world. Souls there that are ready to be reborn, if their vibration matches that of the flash of light, rush to get in. Sometimes two or more get in at the same time, and the woman has twins, triplets, or even well!..."

---Mary on 2/26/10


We inherited spirit/soul. When God made man He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And that was it, the beginning of the human race.+
---catherine on 4/29/08


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The Bible teaches that we are created before the foundation of the world and fearfully and wonderfully made. It seems that a person comes as a whole package deal(so to speak). The entire person including the soul is in the mothers womb,at the time of conception,Psm139:13-15. Why do you suppose that John the Baptist "leaped" in his mothers womb when Mary entered into the room with Jesus? Babies do not need to take breath through their noses. They take it through the umbilical cord.
---jody on 4/29/08


A 'soul' is like a flashlight. You must have a case and a light bulb AND you must have batteries. Therefore, the container must have the breath of God (spirit) to become a living soul. A dead soul, is just that--it is dead and gone and useless. When one dies (the first death/sleep) the battery is removed. When reserected, the battery is placed in the container to make the soul. The second death is when the container is totally burnt up! Gone--kaput!
---Rich on 7/24/07


Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
---jerry6593 on 7/24/07


I have heard it argued that the instruction of the fetus is not the destruction of a soul. What do you think?" No man can destroy a soul.

Both the sperm and the egg contains blood and life is in the blood. Conception gives that life a personified individual distinction & the soul of the individual is inherent in that life. To take the life, is to deny the soul's right to experience this life.
---joseph on 7/20/07


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Before Mary informed Elisabeth of her pregnancy, the child Elisabeth was carrying leaped in her womb when he heard Mary's greeting, and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. Prompting her to acknowledge something she could not have known otherwise. "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me." Mary had just conceived yet the life & soul of her child was recognized and acknowledged.
---joseph on 7/20/07


This was a Klintonian excuse for abortion. In reality, Adam was a special creation, while all his descendants resulted from generation.

Man is a union of material and spiritual element, so the moment biological life of the individual exists, the spiritual element is there as well. So "ensoulment" would be there from conception.
---Ktisophilos on 7/19/07


We know that this is not true because God knew us before the world was created and he formed us in our mothers womb. God is Omnescent or all knowing.
---Marcia on 7/17/07


What you believe about Genesis being correct about a soul being imparted with the breath of life may very well determine what your position is on abortion. I have heard it argued that the instruction of the fetus is not the destruction of a soul. What do you think?
---Mima on 7/17/07


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** Helen; Book chapter and verse please, that mentions "eternal soul"**

The very fact our souls have a beginning means that they cannot be eternal, which means outside of time.
---Jack on 6/28/07


Earl-we are born again, when we receive Christ into our lives, that means a second time, the first time, was a natural birth, the second time, a spiritual one, the first one earthly, the second one, heavenly.Be Blessed !!!!
---Gayla on 6/27/07


True or not I will not answer I will put down what God gives me. Adam, God created. Later other people came into the world. Life begans at conception. Do not be deceived. God first created man, Adam. >>>Thus holy, thus happy, were our first parents, in having the image of God upon them. I still maintain according to these words of GOD, Mary, the mother of God, was an daughter of eve. Good day.
---catherine on 6/27/07


Helen; Book chapter and verse please, that mentions "eternal soul"
---1st_cliff on 6/27/07


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Helen, please help me find the term "eternal soul" in the Bible. A_Servant said "Adam became a living soul and that's found in Gen 2:7. Now how do we get eternal from living?
---Geoff on 6/27/07


We inherit from Adam. Adam was an eternal soul after God breathed life into him. So therefore we already have an eternal soul at conception.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/07


Exactly the question that I asked my seminary-educated Pastor brother. Apparently they don't go into such trifling details in Pastor school, because he didn't know. Why I care to know is that all of the Right vs Left debating of the last few years has to do with this point. President Bush again vetoed a bill to allow more fetal stem-cell research, on the basis that a fertilized egg was the same as a human life, when we all know that natural abortion happens all the time.
---harold on 6/27/07


The answer is that the Bible does not speak to this matter, excepting in the case of a Psalm, and when Elizabeth's baby, John the Baptist, kicked in the womb. Since lack of implantation of a fertilized embyro and spontaneous abortions happen, my answer is that God breaths the human soul into a fetus sometime after 12 weeks, as it is now possible for premature babies to live if born at about 4 months. This answer makes the subject of embyro stem cell research a moot issue, and silly.
---harold on 6/27/07


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Helen

What matters is if we are believing a lie. Sure this subject doesnt affect our salvation, as long as it doesnt lead to Biblical heresy. Not believing the truth of scripture concerning the soul can lead to believeing that the soul is immortal, or that it existed before its birth into this physical world. Believeing theses false teachings can lead to our souls being in jeopardy.
---Billy on 6/27/07


Adam became a living soul after God breathed into him. After God breathed into him, Adam now 'is' a living soul.

Just a parents impart physical features, they also impart spiritual and soulical features.

Soul is part of conception.
---a_servant on 6/26/07


Helen asks a good question. How do the answers to these Qs impact how precious life really is. My kids are precious to me from the moment I became aware they were being knit together-Jb 31:15, Ec 11:5, Jer 1:5, Lk 1:15, Lk 1:41-44, Gal 1:15.
---Geoff on 6/26/07


I don't know. Does it matter? I would think at conception though. Adam and Eve were not conceived.
---Helen_5378 on 6/26/07


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Nottalaw is correct that nephesh is any living sentient creature even fish and animals are "souls"(nephesh) translated "creatures" in most bibles pointing out the value of deep bible study!
---1st_cliff on 6/25/07


Paul, the soul doesn't "enter the body." Gen 2:7 indicates, as you said, man became a living soul. A living soul IS a living person. BODY + BREATH = LIVING SOUL. As for conception, consider what would happen if you took the breath away. The fetus would die. God placed early life in a mother. She has to do much for her child before it can do those things for himself. It's amazing to see my children's independence as they mature and are able to do more and more for themselves.
---Geoff on 6/25/07


**Unless you fully understand all of Judaism you can never fully understand Christianity from which it was derived.**

What is now called Judaism is from the Talmud, which is nothing more than the written form of the doctrine of the scribes and pharisees, the very people Jesus called fools, blind guides, and whitewashed tombs.
---Jack on 6/25/07


Jack, it certainly would matter, Christ was first and foremost a Jew. Unless you fully understand all of Judaism you can never fully understand Christianity from which it was derived. Yes you can be a Christian with out doing so, but you will be an ignorant incomplete Christian. The Talmud is the oral tradition commentary on the OT. Christ teaching and metaphors were directed to 1st century Palestinians; if you don't understand their culture and beliefs how do you hope to understand Christ's examples.
---notlaw00 on 6/25/07


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Upon conception. Man is a spirit, has a soul, & is in a physical body.(1Thessalonians 5:23)

The breath of life in Genesis is spiritual not soulish. God is the Father of spirits, not souls.(Hebrews 12:9)

Spirit is pneuma & it means spirit.
Soul is psuche meaning seat of feelings, desires, & affections.
body is soma & it means body(physical being)
---Rickey on 6/24/07


** Judaism clearly teaches the difference between actual life and potential life**

Does it really matter what Judaism or any other religious group that rejects Christ teaches?
---Jack on 6/24/07


The only thing that leaves the body at death is "breath". The notion that people are still alive after death is purely mythological! Seeing without eyes,hearing without ears, thinking without a brain??? really? Not scriptural. Look in the casket.. these things are still there! While you're alive you are a living soul,at death you are a dead soul.Ez.18 4. Otherwise reserrection serves no purpose!
---1st_cliff on 6/24/07


Judaism clearly teaches the difference between actual life and potential life. Actual life begins when the first breath is taken and not until then.

The problem is on what SOUL means in Hebrew usage. It is translated from the Hebrew word nephesh, Hebrew 5315, Strongs, simply any breathing creature not a spiritual essence unique to humans.
---notlaw99 on 6/24/07


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Judaism clearly teaches the difference between actual life and potential life. Actual life begins when the first breath is taken and not until then.

The problem is on what SOUL means in Hebrew usage. In Genesis 2:7, it is translated from the Hebrew word nephesh, Hebrew 5315, Strongs, simply any breathing creature not a spiritual essence unique to human beings.
---notlaw99 on 6/24/07


Abortion Quiz
(25 Questions)


16. A fetus cannot feel pain during an abortion.

The correct answer is False.


Based on the development of the nervous system, babies as young as eight weeks gestational age feel both psychological and physical responses to stimuli.
---Gayla on 6/23/07


1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

We all have a natural carnal soul at conception first. This soul is spiritually dead. Only through Christ can this soul be born again to become alive to the spirit. God bless
---Billy on 6/23/07


The soul does not enter the body, man becomes a living soul when he becomes consciously aware of his being. That of course occurs when the cognizant function of the brain is sufficiently developed, this I would think, takes place before the actual birth. However certainly not at conception. Not to be misunderstood, life -animi- & Spirit -the life giving essence of The Father- does exist at conception. Adam is said to have become a living soul because the Father awakened him to his reality.
---joseph on 6/24/07


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Since I believe an unborn child is life from the moment it is conceived I would have to say it has a soul from that moment on.
---maryj9396 on 6/23/07


Some suggest that we are not alive until we have blood flowing in our veins because of the Biblical view equating blood with life. However there are frequent references to us being formed by God in the womb, and God knowing us before we are formed in the womb - our soul must be part of us from conception - having three parts combine to form one individual, just like Him.
---lorra8574 on 6/23/07


greetings.Jesus once said,"let the dead bury the dead".Respiration , flesh and blood do not seem to have any connection to a soul as some previous writers have stated.Is not the birth of a soul when man seeks out his Father and has opened his door to him?
---earl on 6/23/07


The teaching of Eastern Christianity (which meansd all the Pre-Reformation Churches of the East) is that the soul, an important part of our human nature, enters the body at conception.

In fact, it's the presence of the soul that builds up the physical body. For what is death but the separation of the two?
---Jack on 6/23/07


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Here is what the LORD called the twin brothers, Esau and Jacob, while they were still inside Rebecca's womb >

"Two nations are in your womb,
Two peoples shall be separated from your body;" (in Genesis 25:23)

So, killing them before they were born would have been GENOCIDE . . . NOT "just" murder, I would have to consider.

Plus . . . within Rebecca, they were getting oxygen from HER breath of life shared with them.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/23/07


The unborn IS alive . . . getting oxygen from the MOTHER's breath of life.

Your soul is your experiencing self, I understand; and doesn't an unborn person have experiencing capability?

To me, it's interesting that we MATURE humans, while asleep, can at times not be conscious, it seems > but while we are not conscious or fully conscious, we do have our souls; so, I can see that an unborn person's level of consciousness does not determine if an unborn has a soul.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/23/07


paul,that account was the making of adam. there are scriptures in the old testament where it says before a I was formed in my mothers womb you knew me.also in the new testament it says when elizabeth saw mary coming ,the baby within her ,who was john the baptist,leaped for joy.the position that your not human until birth is what keeps abortion alive in this country,but thats a lie.you were known by God before conception.
---tom2 on 6/23/07


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