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I need information about the differences between Baptist and other churches. I know Baptist believe in "once saved always saved" and a millenial reign of Christ. What are other features of the doctrine?

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mellisa: What you have attached to the Baptists is unknown to me, a worshipper of God and Christ Jesus in the Baptist denomination. We believe in God and the complete Bible also known as Full Gospel. We believe one is 1st saved when they confess the Lord Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour (with renunciation of past sins) AND we also believe in continous Salvation (Please read John 13:10, Phil 1:6).
---Adetunji on 8/16/10


William Tyndale, a godly martyr who was burned at the stake (for translating the Bible) did write, "How know we that Saint Augustine (which is the best or one of the best that ever wrote upon the scripture) wrote many things amiss at the beginning, as many other doctors do? Verily by the scriptures, as he himself well perceived afterward when he looked more diligently upon them, and revoked many things again. He wrote of many things which he understood not when he was newly converted, ere he had thoroughly seen the scriptures"... Please, by all means, do study William Tyndale's book, 'The Obedience of a Christian man'. It is a very good and Christian book.


Would William Tyndale deceive us Christians about Augustine? Nay.
---Kev on 8/15/10


I love the Geneva Bible's text itself at Exodus 1:18-19 the most, and yes, I cherish the marginal note concerning Exodus 1:19 as well. It is accurate. Can scholars prove that it's not?

I love the Geneva Bible text itself the most of all, and the Protestant marginal notes are a blessing (the Pilgrims and Puritans brought the Geneva Bible to North America).

Sincerely, Kev

P.S. Robert Estienne and Theodore Beza truly had the Spirit of Christ in them, and therefore their translations are lawful. I trust that God wrote his Bible through the ink of true Christians.

Robert Estienne published the Greek New Testament in Geneva. Translated out of Greek by Theodore Beza. Englished by Laurence Tomson. (Geneva Bible, NT 1576).
---Kev on 8/14/10


The Geneva Version is the best. Robert Estienne and Theodore Beza, from Geneva, were directly involved with the Geneva Bible Version - Kev

All just names... Putting trust in men rather than the Holy Ghost. Not good.

Sorry, but any Bible you have to read the footnotes on is more inspired by man that God. Does the Holy Ghost need footnotes to assist Him?

You should go study Augustine and see where he got most of his beliefs from. He denied the Christian faith as a young man then returned to it after learning from difference religions and philosophers

Go read about Geneva also.

God will not hold us unaccountable for ignorance when we had the ability to undercover the truth of a heretic.
---JackB on 8/13/10


I defy the KJV and all his modern versions (especially concerning Revelation 20:4 and 6, and other matters).

To King James who commands me to read the KJV, I reply it is better to obey God then man (as for example, I cherish Exodus 1:19 marginal note while King James does not). To Westcott and Hort, I reply that the critical Greek text is just as bad as Church attendance is today in Europe.

The City of Geneva was the most perfect school of Christ since the days of the Apostles. The Geneva Version is the best. Robert Estienne and Theodore Beza, from Geneva, were directly involved with the Geneva Bible Version.

* Robert Estienne, Theodore Beza were very important Christian men.
---Kev on 8/10/10




Unanswered from previous blog:
BTW--are you married, francis? If so, do you sleep in the same bed as your wife during her period? ---Cluny on 8/4/10

Ask Cluny a marriage question. Does he expect his wife to act as the unmarried, or married to him.

The difference is by who GOD chooses as wife. Just like Cluny chose out of many or few. GOD writes all laws in his new wifes heart/mind instead of stone.
---Trav on 8/5/10

Cluny, specialized,non abider/follower of any laws that Francis does...would/do you forgive your wife daily of possible transgressions no matter how forbidden or expect her not to commit any...according to your marriage covenant laws of one special union?
---Trav on 8/10/10


Cluny ... are you saying that just because priest baptises an unbeliever, God will make that Baptism work?

If that's the case, why not get priests to go and baptise all unbeleivers, and even those who deride the process?
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/10/10


The Apostles trained their followers that when a head of household was converted that all members of the house hold including slaves and children & infants were to be baptized to put them under the protective covenant of God. As Christianity expanded out of Palestine. Running water in streams was not always available due to geography and climatology. Since Christianity was becoming under persecution there was more urgency to administer the sacrament then delaying for more favorable weather and location for an immersion baptism so poring and sprinkling were used as the volume of water was strictly symbolic. In the 1500s the Anabaptist rejected 1500 years Christian of precedent and were justly expelled from Protestantism as Heretics.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/10/10


In baptism, they believe in complete submersion of water....I always favored baptist churches because of the preaching. Loud and strong.
---catherine on 8/10/10


\\Without belief, how can the Baptism achieve anything? The confessioin made, the spoken declaration and the promises must be worthless if there is no belief. So how could the baptism be valid?

In fact, not only worthless, but a blasphemy.\\

It is God who works in Baptism, and not the faith of the individual, therefore it is God who supplies the validity.

However, those who make such an issue about believer's baptism don't believe that baptism has any real spiritual efficacy anyway, so why do it at all?
---Cluny on 8/10/10




Poor Kev, reduced to a personal uninspired footnote in a Bible that didn't translate the plural form of year(Greek-etos) which is years(Greek ete) properly.
Hold on to those 2 verses with all your might Kev, maybe someday God will grant you wisdom and understanding for the whole context.
Rev 20:4,6 'thousand years'(plural)-KJV, NKJV, NLT, NIV, ESV, NASB, RSV, ASV, YNG, DBY, WEB, HNY
'mil anos'(plural Spanish)-RVR
'mille annis'(plural Latin)-VUL
'chilia ete'(plural Greek)-TR, mGNT
---micha9344 on 8/9/10


The 1560 Geneva Bible, Revelation chapter 20...

v. 4, And I sawe seates: and they sate upon them, and judgement was given unto them, and I sawe the soules of them, that were beheaded for the witnes of Jesus, and for the worde of God, & which did not worship the beast, nether his image, nether had taken his marke upon their forheads, or on their hands: and they lived, & reigned with Christ a thousand yere.

v. 5, But the rest of the dead men shal not live again, until the thousand yeres be finished: this is the first resurrection.

verse 6 writes they shalbe the Priests of God and of Christ, & shal reign with him a thousand yere. *marginal note letter L, That is, forever

Amen.
---Kev on 8/9/10


What baptist believe differs by congregation
Bext to ask a baptist and go to a baptist website
---francis on 8/9/10


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I can quite understand Believers only Baptism.

Without belief, how can the Baptism achieve anything? The confessioin made, the spoken declaration and the promises must be worthless if there is no belief. So how could the baptism be valid?

In fact, not only worthless, but a blasphemy.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/9/10


What is the heresy of believers only baptism?
How does it differ from the baptism believers receive in the Bible?
Are there examples of non-believers being baptised, either by water or by the Spirit?
Or are my questions not based on this heresy?
I could use some clarification please.
---micha9344 on 8/9/10


There is more diversity than commonality between groups using Baptist as part of their name.

The only thing all Anabaptist and Baptist have in common is perpetuating the heresy of Believers Only Baptism, and for this heresy no member can be in the family of God the same thing applies to any other group that perpetuates the heresy.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/9/10


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Baptists teach the millennial doctrine, that Jesus Christ will only reign for one thousand years. Truthfully, William Tyndale and the Geneva Bible taught in Revelation 20:4 and 6 that Jesus Christ shall reign a thousand year, that is, forever.
---Kev on 8/8/10
Quit spreading falsehoods Kev. You may believe this, but you have been deceived.
Anyone interested can just check out Tyndale's Bible online Revelation 20:4-6 and notice v5 where 'the .M. yere were fynisshed'.
That's not to say Christ doesn't reign afterward, but it follows with the binding, loosening and final disposition of satan.
Verses 2-7 talk about the same thousand year period as evident in the Greek.
---micha9344 on 8/8/10


I was raised Southern Baptist but I dont cling to all their beliefs. Here are some of the things I was raised with.

--Jesus is the Christ/Messiah, the son of the living God. He is both man and God in 1 person.
--A man must exercise trust/belief IN Christ to be saved BY Him
--Infant baptism doesnt save
--Once saved always safe
--Water baptism is your profession of faith, not a means to salvation
--Tithing is a gift of love not a commandment
--God is 1 being in 3 distinct personages
--Gods salvation is for all men, but not all will repent and accept the truth
--Only certain people have the gift of tongues

Forgive me, Im sure I left a lot out. Its been a while.
---JackB on 8/8/10


The Gospel that William Tyndale, John Wycliffe, and Apostle Paul preached was glorious and true. Learn everything about their writings.

I've been to Baptist meetings, and, I would advise you to stay away from Baptist's dangerous control.

Let's clear up some facts:

Baptists derived from John Smyth a few hundred years ago... there are some Baptists that claim to successfully go back to John the Baptist just like how Roman Catholics claim to go back to Apostle Peter. Beware.

Baptists teach the millennial doctrine, that Jesus Christ will only reign for one thousand years. Truthfully, William Tyndale and the Geneva Bible taught in Revelation 20:4 and 6 that Jesus Christ shall reign a thousand year, that is, forever.
---Kev on 8/8/10


The bapt Is an Man - made offspring church from the Man - made trin rcc just like the presby, cog, method, naz etc trin churches that Are here Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 8/7/10


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"For whom God so loved the world, so as the Son of him, the sing-sired he gave, that all in who obey him be not abandoned, but have life eternal. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality." John 3:16+ I Cor.15:52,53.
---Eloy on 4/22/08


We will never become immortal, only God is immortal. We receive eternal life. Life that is supported by God eternally.

Immortality is self sustaned life with out end.
---dan on 4/21/08


Baptists do not believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are for today. They do not believe in speaking in tongues. The Freewill Baptist churches do not believe in "once saved always saved" doctrine. As far as I know, all other Baptist denominations believe in that. Most Baptist churches are very strong in preaching Jesus Christ and the importance of being saved.
---Susie on 4/20/08


"Some Baptists say prayers to pieces of cloth. At least, that's what happened when I was a Baptist."

Wow, I thought you were a dyed in the wool Orthodox. You sure did get hoity toity in a hurry, didn't you. It all makes perfect sense why you are a fundamental/pop-evangelical basher deluxe. Orthodoxy has given you a license to look back with disgust on what you came out of. I see.
You and MikeM. are similar in many ways.
---Dave on 7/7/07


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Melissa::Let us go from what you "are getting" dear.& compare it to the word Not mans interpretation of which there are many.But be ready to pray for Guidance Of the Hs& I do mean HOLY SPIRIT,as there are many False ones lurking in the background,before you open that book.
---Emcee on 7/7/07


Jack, is it women in particular or everybody in general you don't care for?
---Larry on 7/7/07


Thanks Rebecca and Emcee for your show of Christian love! Jack, well, I guess you don't love me, but God loves us both, so that's OK. He will deal with both of us. I am confused though. If my interpretations are wrong or immature, forgive me. I would love a specific explanation of what I am not "getting."
---melissa on 7/7/07


Melissa dear:: you are effervescent. But you listen to too many PEOPLE you do need to do some serious independant research with a good source.Like a priest Or a sister of the cloth one who is really knowlegeable & not one who thinks he is.I would recommend Augusta or Christina.
---Emcee on 7/6/07


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The God I know and serve would not tell someone to be rude to another person, Jack. I'm sure God didn't tell you to say that to Melissa. Oh be careful little mouth what you say, for the Father up above is looking down in love, so be careful little mouth what you say.
---Rebecca_D on 7/6/07


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Jack-I'm so thankful that God could use me to enlighten you!**

Guess what?

He didn't and He told me to tell you so.
---Jack on 7/5/07


Melissa; Right, when the dead in Christ rises first, they will be alive in him. For our mortal bodies shall put on immortality. But as I was saying earlier, some people believe that the graves will burst open and zombies (so to speak) will come out. That is what I do not agree with.
---Rebecca_D on 7/5/07


Baptist dogma is for the "business". The Bible is for the believers. What ever church you choose to attend, the Bible should (MUST) be the guide each of us go by. Find a pastor, a body, a building your family is comfortable in and worship God there. When the "dead in Christ shall rise", our corruptible bodies put on "incorruptibility". There are perfect bodies waiting for our Spirits, houses, if you will, for us to live in.
---mikefl on 7/4/07


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Jack-I'm so thankful that God could use me to enlighten you! See Galatians 4:4-7,Ephesians 1:5,and Romans 8:15,23 for references to spiritual adoption. See Romans 12:4-5, I Corinthians 12:12-31 for references to the Body of Christ.
---melissa on 7/4/07


Jack - As for "deciding" who is adopted into the Body of Christ, the answer is simply this: "we" don't "decide." If someone says they got saved, we believe them. Period. If they are saved, we will see an immediate change in their life, including bearing of fruit as they mature in the Spirit. God certainly knows if they are really saved or not - that is all that matters in the end, not our "judgement" or our "vote" into membership!
---melissa on 7/4/07


Susie and Rebecca - To me it is obvious that the "dead in Christ" are not going to be dead anymore when they rise "to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thessalonians 4:16-17.) They will be resurrected and, therefore, will have a new glorified body (no longer dust or ashes.) As for how they will rise, I don't think any bursting of graves will be necessary - I think they will just suddenly be in the air flying to meet Jesus!
---melissa on 7/4/07


And who cares how they get there from the grave - doesn't it sound wonderful? I want to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---melissa on 7/4/07


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Susie; Can you imagine how scared people (that remain on earth) will be if they saw the graves burst open and dead people come out? The bible says that when the body dies, it turns into dust. Gen 3:19. And besides if someone was cremated, how would their bodies come back together so it could be raised up?
---Rebecca_D on 7/3/07


Rebecca...How do you suppose the dead bodies are going to get into the air to meet Jesus if the ground doesn't burst open? Just wondering myself.
---Susie on 7/2/07


**To me, the Word is clear that getting saved is adoption into the Body of Christ. For that reason, I definitely believe on paper church membership is false doctrine.**

How do you, Melissa, determine who is and who is not adopted into the Body of Christ?

How do you "discern the Lord's body"?

Would you enlighten us?
---Jack on 7/2/07


Susie; Yes the dead will be raised first but their graves which are in the ground) are not going to burst open. Melissa; seek God and he will put you in a church where he can use you the most. Madison; the Baptist church around where I live do not believe in the gifts from God. I know some I mentioned are not gits, but they still don't believe that way. When a baptist sings this song, I shall not be moved, they wasn't kiddin'. You couldn't take a forklift to move some of those people.
---Rebecca_D on 7/2/07


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Rebecca: Baptists believe in the Spiritual Gifts of God. They just believe that some of them are no longer in use at this time. Also, some of the things you list as gifts are not mentioned in scripture as gifts of the Spirit.
---Madison1101 on 7/2/07


Jody-That is exactly where I am (confused!) I know what I believe, and I feel that I am still learning. I always say that one is never going to find the "perfect" church where you agree with everything. To me, the Word is clear that getting saved is adoption into the Body of Christ. For that reason, I definitely believe on paper church membership is false doctrine.
---Melissa on 7/2/07


I have always attended some version of the Church of God, and there are many of them too. Different groups believe in the rapture or not, as well as speaking in tongues or faith healing. Church of God also believes in sanctification which I don't really understand or agree with.
---Melissa on 7/2/07


My problem is that my unsaved husband attended a Baptist church as a child, and sort of considers himself a Baptist. We have visited two Baptist churches together, but I haven't felt entirely comfortable. He says he is not comfortable at my church (Church of God.) Should I attend a Baptist church to make him happy and pursue my own studies and beliefs at home? What about what the kids come to believe?
---Melissa on 7/2/07


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And before someone even says it: I know he is going to feel uncomfortable in any church where he is under conviction. However, I also believe that the Holy Spirit can move him anywhere. Please let me know your thoughts about this. I am looking for another church and want to pick the best one for our family's needs (unsaved husband, teens, preteen and preschooler.)
---Melissa on 7/2/07


Rebecca...Don't you believe that the dead will rise to meet Jesus as well as the living?
---Susie on 7/1/07


I didn't know anything about Baptists other than they are not generally Charismatic. I appriciate the answers of these bloggers. Thanks. I think that all of the denominations may have false teachings. Even the churches that are nondenominational may have them two. 2000 years of false prophets and teachers has really hurt the church. I have no idea as to what to do about church. Blessings and thanks again.
---jody on 7/1/07


**Speaking in tongues, laying on hands with oil, falling out in the spirit, prophecying.**

"Falling out in the spirit" (note the lower case s) is NOT a gift of God.

On the other hand, the pre-Reformation churches have NEVER ceased to lay on hands with oil.
---Jack on 7/1/07


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Baptists doesn't believe in the gifts from God. Speaking in tongues, laying on hands with oil, falling out in the spirit, prophecying. They believe that when Christ comes back, the graves are going to burst open (literally) and the dead walk and meet Christ and the other christians in the air. You have to sign your name to a piece of paper before you can become a member of their church. (I can't say this about all Baptists believing this way).
---Rebecca_D on 6/30/07


john smyth, born Ibelieve in 1512 is credited with starting the baptist denomination.but as with all the denominations there are today they were formed because people disagreed about scripture.so whos right?
---tom2 on 6/30/07


Notlaw "Heresy of Believers Only Baptism"
Why should one want to be baptised if one was not a believer?
---alan_of_UK on 6/30/07


Some Baptists say prayers to pieces of cloth. At least, that's what happened when I was a Baptist.

Baptists believe in the authority of the individual believer to interpret the Bible for himself. But woe betide you if your interpretation is too different from that of those sitting around you.
---Jack on 6/30/07


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Paul,
Southern Baptists don't believe speaking in tongues, gift of prophecy, etc. exist today, but there are Independent Baptists churches that do operate in these gifts. Southern Baptist will not allow anyone who operates with the gift of tongues as their prayer language to be a missionary with them.
---Daniel on 6/30/07


As a commentator said, there is no one Baptist church. Their theology all depends on the Pastor and local history. In the early 1600's there was a doctrinal pamphlet published called "Things Most Commonly Believed Among Us", but this was put forth by the Calvinistic branch of the Baptist church, whereas today most Baptists are "free will" adherents. One thing good about Baptist churches, they generally stress Salvation by Faith, but this does not ensure that Baptists are saved.
---harold on 6/30/07


Some Baptist churches teach the security of the believer, some do not. Some Baptist churches follow Dispensational theology, some do not. The kicker is that all Baptist churches, even those in "conferences" and "associations" are actually independent. That is the one standard hallmark of Baptist churches. The stock answer is that there is no Baptist "Church;" there are only Baptist churches.
---ed_the_other_one on 6/30/07


the other big difference, only one filling of Holy Spirit, at Salavation. Spiritual Gifts such as Tongues, faith, wisdom, healing, discerning - generally downplayed, at least in the baptist churchs i've been in.
---Paul on 6/30/07


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Their derivation is from the Anabaptist of Geneva in 1525. Since there are so many distinct varieties of Baptist one should not make generalizations about their beliefs; about the only thing they have in common is the practice of the Heresy of Believers Only Baptism. Some have some Calvinistic tenants, while others advocate free will, others are in the cult of Charles Darby and practice Dispensationalism.
---notlaw99 on 6/30/07


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