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What does Salvation and being saved by Grace mean to you?

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Being saved means that I now am alive. Before as a sinner, even though my body was living, I was dead, unhappy, unpeaceful. But since Jesus came into my life I now am alive in him, I now have peace. I now can sleep like a baby knowing that if I don't wake up I know, that I know where I'm going. God's grace pardon and maked me whole. His grace is greater than all our sins. His grace is sufficent.
---Rebecca_D on 4/12/08

1/Pastor Herb,

YOU WROTE: I am I, you sound like a new ager.

When dealing with spiritual matters, I try to stay away from labels because they do not reveal anything of substance about a person. Also, people like to throw out labels about themselves in order to hide behind them. Nonetheless, in order to answer your question I must first know what are the tenets of new age philosophy, religion or teachings. Are any of its teachings more ancient than Christianity?
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

2/Pastor Herb,

YOU WROTE: I would just like to say that death is seperation. When we die, our soul seperates from the body. The second death the soul is seperated from God.

On a basic level, you are correct that death is the separation of the visible (body) and invisible (soul, life force, spirit, nous, mind, consciousness) parts of us. On a deeper level, both the invisible and visible parts of us share in the ONE ESSENCE, which the ancient
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

3/Pastor Herb,

sages or messengers of light have spoken about. This ONE ESSENCE out of which comes visible and invisible realities can be found in Scripture. Rom. 1:20, 2 Cor. 4:18-5:1, Heb. 11:3, etc. The body, soul and spirit are ONE or the body, mind and soul are ONE. Since they are ONE there can be no REAL separation when we go beyond dualism or opposites (life and death, day and night, hot and cold, big and small, etc).
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

4/Pastor Herb,

YOU WROTE: The second death the soul is seperated from God.

I am not sure how you are using the word *separated* here. If you mean that the soul is non-existent, then that is an impossibility for the reasons stated above. Moreover, since the Bible and many other ancient traditions maintain that The Great Life Force that some people call God is universal, where can a soul go that it will not be in the presence of God (ONE ESSENCE)? No where!
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

5/ Pastor Herb

How do you know that in the second death the soul is separated from God? You have absolutely no proof of this, while there is *proof* of the other two deaths mentioned in Scripture: (1) The visible body ceasing to sustain or maintain the vital life fore imbued in it. I and others call this a TRANSFORMATION or transition. You call it death or separation of the body and soul. (2) Spiritual death or what I call the living dead. We are
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

6/ Pastor Herb,

alive in the body but dead to the Spirit within us. We all know people who are the living dead. The ancient Egyptians wrote on this extensively in their main book on enlightenment, The Prt Em Heru or The Egyptian Book of Enlightenment or, as it is popularly known, The Egyptian Book of the Dead or Coming Forth By Day or Light. To conclude, you have proof of deaths #1 and #2, and if you mean #2 in what you wrote above, then you are on correct.
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

7/Pastor Herb,

However, if you mean the non-existence of the soul, then you have absolutely no proof of that, even though the concept is in Scripture. It is a FACT that the visible comes from the invisible and the invisible comes from the visible.
---I_AM_I on 7/26/07

I would just like to say that death is seperation. When we die, our soul seperates from the body. The second death the soul is seperated from God.

I am I, you sound like a new ager.
---Pastor_Herb on 7/25/07

Hi stephanie, Saved by Grace means God giving us what we do not deserve, His only Begotten Son Jesus Christ who paid the ultimate price for all who believe and recieve Him. Salvation means that we are a new creature IN CHRIST, a born again child of God.
---Cynthia on 7/25/07

Billy, do you know what a Christian gets after he dies and is complete, incorruptable? Eternal life. Do you know what Eternal Life means? Christ. What was Adam promised if he obeyed? Eternal life. In complete unity with Him forever. Christ is the Eternal Life spoken of in Scripture. The life we will live is in unity with Christ. For that is who He is. What do the others get? They get hell forever. No Eternal life (Christ) but separation from Christ forever.
---mark on 7/24/07

#2. Billy: If you hear what John has to say concerning this eternal life all you have to do is go to 1 John 1:1-10. He begins by telling them about "He who was from the beginning, and goes on to say, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of Life- the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that (eternal life) which was with the Father and was manifested to us-
---mark on 7/24/07

#3. Billy: Though the context for which John wrote that was to make sure the beleivers understood that Jesus had come back in the flesh after His death on the cross. The false teachers were preaching Jesus did not come back in the flesh. Yet that passage and many more shows us that Christ is the (Eternal Life) which is spoken of all through Scripture that we will have after death. Now we have the righteousness of Christ and a new beginning, but are not complete just yet.
---mark on 7/24/07

#4. Billy: I'm glad we do agree with faith and works. I don't think it's complicated at all. I don't understand what is wrong with so many. "we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works," What is so hard about that? The purpose God created us in Christ Jesus was for good works. This is God doing this actions. And all man does is what God has created him to do. Can he argue, no I will not? I don't think a true child of God will argue for he is created for that purpose.
---mark on 7/24/07

#5 Billy: if he is a child of God. If not, of course he will not want to do what he is not created to do, for his nature is sinful. And will want to do the desires of his heart, not God's.
---mark on 7/24/07


the body of death look like? You agree that the LIFE FORCE does not die. Have you ever seen this Life Force? No. You say that we are the *soul* and the soul dies. How do you know this? Isn*t it true that all we can really say is that the body *dies* (i.e., TRANSFORMED). Have you ever seen the soul, if you believe it is not a human being as the O/T states? If the *soul* is invisible (human beings are not), then the answer is no!
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07

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So, the invisible Life Force (God) does not die but the invisible soul (God) does? Does God have a soul? Returning to Paul*s body of this death, when the Life Force (God) is withdrawn from the body, all we can truly say is that the body is TRANSFORMED. Some people say the body is dead. Thus, we have to understand the concept of death to determine what exactly happens to the body. The body is made up of elements of the earth GLUED
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07


together by *something.* When the Life Force departs the body, the elements return to their source (God). This is the process of transformation! Thus, nothing ever dies, because God manifests as body, soul and life force. Put otherwise, God manifests as body, soul and spirit. As you know, Scripture says we are made in the image and likeness of God. Therefore, we too manifests as body, soul and spirit. As above, so below, let it be done on earth as it is in heaven
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07


etc., Being schooled in the teachings of the ancient Egyptians, the Greek philosopher Pythagoras and others used the four element , etc., to show that *things* are transformed or *die out* to another existence. In so-called modern science, this is Einsteins E=MC2. All that is around us are transformed but never dead (i.e., non-existence). In order to keep this brief, I will leave predestination or our so-called lack of choice for the next post or the one after that.
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07


It is nice to dialogue with you in the open for the benefit of others. God bless brother.
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07

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Can Jesus take anyone to heaven who is unrepentant and disobedient? All our goodness is nothing. We need Jesus righteousness which we accept by faith and which is given to us by the grace of God.
A criminal who is given pardon, do they return to their crime?
We need to have an attitude of repentance and willingness to obey the will of God. Jesus taught repentance. This is turnig away from sin and submitting to the will of God. Our love for Him compels us to do His will.
---Robin on 7/24/07


You and Connor sound like you had a blast! Kids grow quickly, don*t they?

The research you are doing will only set you free. Part #1 to the link you sent me speaks of RESSURRECTION and it is consistent with what I have been saying on this site. Please watch Part 1 of your video again!

YOU WROTE: Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

I have always enjoyed this verse. Please explain death and how it has a BODY? What does
---I_AM_I on 7/24/07

1/ Hello Mark

I do agree with you that If one has true faith, works do follow. And we also see that faith without works is dead. I do believe that we are on the same page here.

As for the OT saints, I believe that they had faith, but they didnt receive the promise. So what promise did they not receive? Well, the promise of age abiding life. Or as the KJV mistranslates it, "eternal life." These of the OT will not be able to reign with Christ through the millenium.
---Billy on 7/24/07

2/ Mark

They will have to be raised in the second resurrection, and be judged at the Great White Thrown judgment.
---Billy on 7/24/07

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Take your time Billy, I know you are a busy man. I cannot wait what you have to say concerning works. peace to you
---mark on 7/24/07

1/ Hello I am I

"Answering one of your last posts to me," yes me and Connor had a great time at the beach. As long as me and him were on the beach, we were the talk of the sand, LOL. I don't think they could take us being there full time. We really had a great time. OK, you know that im doing a great deal of research on seaking the truths of God. I have changed my views before, and as God opens my eyes, by His power I will change again. So answering what the scriptures
---Billy on 7/23/07

2/ I am I

have to say concerning your question, i'll give a scripture.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Paul has proven in his writings that life only proceads after a resurrection. So what we are being saved from is death. If there is know resurrection, we could eat and drink for tomorrow we die "1Cor 15:32." Without a resurrection we will not be alive to be judged.
---Billy on 7/23/07

3/ I am I

for our deeds, so Paul was making it very clear that if there is no resurrection, there is no fear to be judged for our deeds. Paul also tells us in his writings that the resurrection is yet future. We are not resurrected at the death of this physical body. This is again made clear by Paul when he says that the dead have perished if there is know resurrection. The dead are still dead awaiting the resurrection, "no resurrection, no life."
---Billy on 7/23/07

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4/ I am I

The life force that you speak of does not die. It returnes to God from where it came. But who we are "soul" dies.

For us to even come close to having the faith to do good works, "which is a requirement of God to be saved," God must give us this faith, because its not in man to do these good works. So yes, God has chosen and predestined those that He will give this faith to. Freedom of choice is foreign to scripture. Yes we make choices, but our choices
---Billy on 7/23/07

5/ I am I

are not free from the great cause of all things, and that is God. There is a law that God himself has chose to obide by, and its the law of cause and effect. He causes all things, and nothing can stay His hand. If you wish I can give scripture to prove this. Either way, I will get you a message on penpal, God bless brother.

OOO Mark, Im working on a post to you also, God bless.
---Billy on 7/23/07


Thanks for the video. Please check your messages.

More importantly, regarding your discussion here with mark, what exactly are we being saved from? Since the LIFE FORCE in us can never die, what are we being saved from? According to Scripture, people are saved by faith and works. Next, Scripture tells us that GOD HAS ALREADY SELECTED THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAVED. PREDESTINATION! Unbelievable! Where is freedom of choice in this?
---I_AM_I on 7/22/07

Billy, you really surprise me with your answer. I have read what you have said and I agree with with a lot of what you say since some of it is reform. Of course the one thing I don't agree is Universal salvation. But concerning your "IF" that you explained, I would think you would not be one of those that says, "IF" as the others who speak on behalf of works for salvation. The question of works is not hard to understand. My grand daughter understands it.
---mark on 7/22/07

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#2. Billy: The question of works involving believers is very easy to understand. First of all the Old Testament people were under the law. The New Testament people are under grace. Of course Works follow true faith. If one has true faith works do follow. The one point to make in this works is that they are done because of the Spirit working in the believer, and the glory goes to God. The works that people did in the Old Testament, were works of their own. They didn't have the endwelling of the Spirit.
---mark on 7/22/07

#3. Billy: Those people in the Old Testament could not be save by works. Works never saved anyone. They were under obedience not under grace. The one's that were saved were saved just as the one's of today, by grace through faith, in the coming Christ. In the covenant of grace, Christ has come, and the new believer is now endwelled by the Spirit. And all those who are endwelled will produce good works. They are been sanctified producing better works as they grow in Christ.
---mark on 7/22/07

2/ Mark

First we have a scripture that says that we are not saved by works "Eph 2:8-9". So this proves that nothing we do is good enough for us to earn our salvation. But, and yes there is a but in scripture. James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? verse 26 says, For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. So Mark, your works cannot save you, but without works you have no faith.
---Billy on 7/20/07

3/ Mark

Your view point must line up with the whole of scripture. If after you have come to know Christ, we have set foot into Gods kingdom, but he does expect us to endure to produce good works, or we will be cast aside. My view does line up with scripture.
---Billy on 7/20/07

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1/ Mark

I gave you sufficient proof that God does expect us to endure this life of tribulation and scourgings of the Lord, that is what causes us to grow into maturity. The scriptures I used in my four part post on 7/16/07 were most definitely speaking to His chosen people. You are trying to convince yourself that after you say the ten second sinners prayer, that you are saved, and theres nothing else we need to do. Ill give another example.
---Billy on 7/20/07

#3. Billy: His opposition of the rabbinical expectation that the kingdom would feature a great feast in the company of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob together with the Messiah, in the company of only Jews. All through the ages the Jews thought they were the only one's that would be in heaven. But Jesus, by showing the faith of the centurion, makes it clear that many of those who thought they would be the only one's were not even close to having the faith this centurion had.
---mark on 7/20/07

Billy, I am surprise you put down that passage. That passage is not speaking about already saved people, overcomers, been cast out of the kindom of God. You have to make sure when you study to kow what Jesus was talking about. I believe since your intention was to find a passage that implied something close to it, that you found that passage. First of all when Jesus was speaking to the Centurion, the subject was fiath. This Centurion was a gentle.
---mark on 7/20/07

#2. Billy: When Jesus heard the words of the Centurion, He was marveled, and said to those who followed, "Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel." Here He compares the faith of this gentle to the faith of Israel. He goes on to say, "I say to you that many will come from the east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob int eh kingdom of heaven," Here He is refering to the
---mark on 7/20/07

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#4. Billy: Jesus used that moment to explain to the followers that it is by faith only, not because you are a Jew or Gentle. Jesus tells the Centurion, "Then Jesus said to the Centurion, "Go your way, and as you have believed, so let it be done for you." The subject was faith. The comparison was Gentle to Jew. Just because they were Hebrews, and were with Abraham, and the rest, didn't mean they were save, they were not going to be a part of the feastivities.
---mark on 7/20/07

#5. Billy, sorry for the error of my writing. It is Gentile's that I was speaking about. In the subject of "weeping and gnashing" of teeth, further passages will give you the meaning, Matthew 22:13, 24:51, 25:30, Luke 13:28. What that speaks of is, inconsolable grief and unremitting torment. Jesus commonly uses the phrases in this verse of 22:13 to discribe hell. But this is something you don't believe in so that part does not count for you since all will be save as you believe.
---mark on 7/20/07

#6. Billy: Jesus says, that the Hebrews would have a wide awakening. Many from east and west were going to find themselves in hell. Just been Jew did not cut it. This Centurion had more faith then many of them. That is what the passage is talking about Billy. Not saved people, who are overcomers. Those people are born of God and already have the victory. Because of their faith.
---mark on 7/20/07


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Can you tell me where this place is that has weeping and gnashing of teeth? There is a scripture that lets us know. Do I need to produce it for you?
---Billy on 7/19/07

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Billy, I am not sure how to answer you. First of all you speak of many been cast out of God's kingdom. Can you show a verse or passage that states that? I know you will not find one. Can you show a passage where it say's that people that are in the kingdom of God that are cast out lose their spiritual life? In other words if he is alive to Christ while save, he goes back to been dead to Christ again? Other thing, If he is kept by the power of God, how can the power of man override the power of God?
---mark on 7/19/07

Billy, I answered you on the wrong blog. "Can you save yourself" you will see my answers to you there. Sorry. I was in such a hurry to answer you that I put them on the wrong blog. I am confuse by what you say sometimes Billy, because I don't know where to answer you from, I mean from what point. It is by grace we are saved Billy. And any works by us if added to grace, it will be no more grace. Grace is the unmerited favor of God.
---mark on 7/19/07

#2. Billy: The merit of Christ comes to us by grace through faith. It is an action or desposition of God toward us. Grace is not a substance that can inhabit our souls. We grow in grace, not by a quantative measure of some substance in us, but by the merciful assistance of the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, acting graciously towards us and upon us. The means of grace God gives to assist us in the Christian life include Scripture, the sacraments, prayer, fellowship, and the nurture of the church.
---mark on 7/19/07

#1 Mark

We are to hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto us at the revealing of Christ. We should not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not "Gal 6:9". If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, "Heb 12:7". Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled, "Heb 12:15".
---Billy on 7/16/07

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#2 Mark

Why should we hope to the end, why should we not be weary to do good, why should we endure chastening, why should we look diligently lest any man should fail of the grace of God to allow any root of bitterness that could spring up to cause us to be defiled, if Gods chastening grace isnt a process that we need to endure to the end to be saved. Many are called, but few are chosen, the chosen elect will are not just called, but called, and chosen, and faithful.
---Billy on 7/16/07

#3 Mark

Every scripture I quoted was speaking to His believers. If God is chastening us, we are called his sons, so we should endure chastening. But tho we are his sons, If we frefuse to endure Gods chastening we will be cast out of his kingdom. If being sons means that we have security of never being cast aside, then there was no need for Paul to say we need to endure. A son can sell his birthright for one morsel of meat and see that afterward he would have inherited the blessing.
---Billy on 7/16/07

#4 Mark

I agree that its only by the power of God, through faith, that keeps us saved, but all the warnings that Paul gives to Gods children show me that God will allow some to enter his kingdom, but because of not bringing forth good fruit, and enduring to the end, the children of the kingdom will be cast out "Mat 8:11-12.
---Billy on 7/16/07

#1 Mark

We are to hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto us at the revealing of Christ. We should not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not "Gal 6:9". If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, "Heb 12:7". Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God, lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled, "Heb 12:15".
---Billy on 7/16/07

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#3. Billy: Cynthia's answer is perfectly correct. God makes the person able to respond to Him by the Spirit, and with the the fear of God in his heart he will never depart from Him" . Once God begin's His work in a person that person will be save, and he will endure till the end by holding on to his faith. God is the one through the Spirit who is making him able, and are Kept by the power of God through faith for salvation"
---mark on 7/16/07

Billy, in Matthew 24:13 that you spoke of are those who perservere are the same one's who are saved-not the ones whose love grows cold in v.12. This does not suggest that our perserverance secures our salvation, for Scripture everywhere teaches precisely the opposite: God, as part of His saving work, secures our perseverance. True believers "are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation" 1 Peter 1:5. The guarantee of our perseverance is build into the New Covenant promise,
---mark on 7/16/07

#2. Billy: "I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart fom Me" Jer. 32:40. Those who do fall away from Christ give conclusive proof that they were never truly believers to begin with, 1 John 2:19. To say that God secures our perseverance is not to say that we are passive in the process, however He Keeps us through faith, Hebrews 10:26-29.-our faith.
---mark on 7/16/07

A man is not saved against his will, but he is made willing by the operation of the Holy Spirit. A mighty grace which he does not wish to resist enters into the man, disarms him, makes a new creature of him, and he is saved.
---cynth9664 on 7/13/07

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(1) Jim

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Jim, when God calls us to join ranks with other believers, we are truly sitting down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven, but to fail to bring forth good fruit will cause the children of the kingdom to be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

---Billy on 7/8/07

(2) Jim

Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

---Billy on 7/8/07

(3) Jim

Though we sit in Gods kingdom, if we are not daily chastened by Gods grace to cause us to surrender our lives to Him, we will be cast out of His kingdom. So we must endure Gods scourgings to the end to be saved.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
---Billy on 7/8/07

(4) Jim

Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Jim, there are those that are standing in Gods kingdom at this very moment that will refuse Gods chstening grace to have there tree pruned to bring forth good fruit. These will be cast out of His kingdom. Again, we must finish the course thats set before us to truly be saved. God bless
---Billy on 7/8/07

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"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Romans 6:1,2

Being saved by Grace does not mean a license to sin and break the 10 commandments, as is commonly taught. Which means keeping the 10 commandments IS NOT salvation by works. "And ye know that he was manisfested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him SINNETH NOT.."1John3:5,6
---Gina7 on 7/7/07

Brother Billy....I am surrender my life daily to Christ.Not as a process to be saved,but because i am saved. I believe there is a big difference.
---JIM on 7/7/07

Pt.2 It is grace-as a divine influence upon the heart -Central focus- of man, that brings him into that condition & state of mind to allow for that place within himself, that is now opened to the embracing & exercising of His faith to rely on, depend upon, trust in, acknowledge & confess Jesus as LORD & Savior. That is Salvation. Let us draw near with a true, pure heart, in the full assurance of faith to the throne of God's Grace.
---joseph on 7/7/07

Grace - the unmerited favor of the Father's gift of reconciliation through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, that paid the penalty of sin, so that man might be brought back into agreement with Himself. "I go to prepare a place for you" -a place for us in Him & a condition within us for Him - "that were I am" - resting confidently in the will & presence of the Father -"there you may be also." Cont. Pt2
---joseph on 7/7/07

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To me, it means I am totally undeserving of God's salvation. Nothing that I do will ever qualify me to receive God's salvation. It is because of His infinite love and His grace that I am saved.
---Jacob on 7/7/07

#1 Jim

According to scripture, none of us deserve anything from God, and I dont doubt at all that grace is a gift. You said, *If it is a process,when do you know you have gone through all the steps?* Grace will complete its work the day that we drow our last breath in this earthly life. We are continually chastened by Gods grace to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts to our last dying breath. Without it, we will not reach maturity in this life.
---Billy on 7/6/07

#2 Jim

You said, *As for me i accept his gift through faith in christ.I surrender my life to Christ and put all my trust in Him.* So Jim, let me ask you a question? Is your acceptance of this gift and your surrendering efforts of your life to Christ a continuing "daily" process, or just a one time event? If your answer is that you make these efforts every day of your life, you have just proven my point, God bless.
---Billy on 7/6/07

The Father draws man to Jesus through the Spirit and the person may accept salvation by grace through faith in Jesus. After that process of faith and repentance, there is a struggle to walk in the way of the Spirit and not of the Flesh and to grow in the way of the fruits of the Spirit unto holiness. The Bible tells us to"work out our salvation with fear and trembling".The bottom line is love for God and others.
---jody on 7/6/07

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**Billy said: 2/ Being saved by grace is also a process.**

Grace is something we do not deserve.It is a gift. So Billy,how much do you have to do to recieve Gods grace? If it is a process,when do you know you have gone through all the steps ?
As for me i accept his gift through faith in christ.I surrender my life to Christ and put all my trust in Him.
As Paul said:if anyone should preach another gospel than what we have preached let him be cursed.
---JIM on 7/6/07 what you are saying that it is Christ + our best that gets us salvation. You must believe in a different gospel(good news).
Christ + our best is not good news.The good news of our salvation is that it is in Faith in christ. Through Faith in christ we are children of God.Gal.3:26
The gospel is about faith in Christ. Gal.1:8
---JIM on 7/6/07

Saved by Grace means that God has promised us that by His grace only and not by any of our works, we are saved. Salvation is from the wrath of God which will come but is not here yet for us who are alive and believe by faith. We live by faith in that grace, and are saved by that grace of God. The wrath of God has not occured yet, and all who have been saved believe by faith in that Promise of God. All others are not saved, and there is no promise to those who work to obtain it.
---mark on 7/6/07

1/ Salvation is a process that must be acheaved by enduring to the end. Not that I have already attained this gift to be in the first resurrection or been made complete: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend this great gift. Brothers, I count not myself to have apprehended: but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
---Billy on 7/5/07

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2/ Being saved by grace is also a process. Grace doesnt work free and unmerited favor from sin in the believers lives as some might think. The free gift of Grace chastens, to train up a child, that is, educate, or (by implication) discipline (by punishment), chasten, instruct, learn, and teaches us to denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, that we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world "Tit 2:11-12".
---Billy on 7/5/07

grace of God is misunderstood. we make mistakes in life and repent of our sins so we can be forgiven. After we endure in faith to the end, doing all we can do to live in harmony with Jesus Christ, the Saviors grace takes us the rest of the way through his atonement. like a relay runner in a race. we give it our best from birth to death, repenting when we stumble, then pass the baton to the Savior who takes us the rest of the way. if we choose to fall through evil actions, he never receives the baton.
---ashley on 7/5/07

It means that God chose me to be among his Elect and offered me his grace; adopting me into the family of God as a co-sibling of Christ. Christ has the right of the first born of the family but I share the right of all his other adopted children the remaining rights of family membership. and eternal life to start after the resurrection of the dead.
---Phil_the_Elder on 7/5/07

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