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Who is Art Katz? I heard he was a universalist and then some say not?

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Art Katz is a Jew that has accepted Jesus Christ. I have corresponded with him over a period of sometime and certainly do not believe him to be a universalist.
---mima on 4/27/08


Kathyr:
Did you read all three of my posts? Also, how can you trust what someone says on the internet? They could just be smearing a brother or sister by distorting the facts. I will try the other search engines though. Thank you.
Gena
---Gena8493 on 7/13/07


Gena8493: I know if you use certain serch engines you will not find anything. So without advertising any particular search engine, use many of them, yahoo, msn, aol and you will see SEVERAL.
Keep looking.

In Christ Kat
---kathr4453 on 7/12/07


Kathyr4453 I googled David Wilkerson, Hannah Hunnard and got nothing. Then I googled just Hannah H. and found things on there claiming her books were new age. Then googled David Wilkerson and found many good sermons by him, none of which were New Age, etc., in fact he was against the Word of Faith and the Prosperity gospel peaching, but I found a link to someone who claimed that the person in charge of his school used the Hunnard books etc., etc.,
---Gena8493 on 7/11/07


# 2 Kathyr I do appreciate you telling me about this, and it makes me very sad. As for David W. predictions of what will happen to New York City and the USA, in fact 9/11 was pretty close to one of his sermons . . . and they still could happen. Some of the things prophesied in the Old Testament did not come to pass for 100s or 1000s of years later.
---Gena8493 on 7/11/07




#3 Kathyr
I did not know that Hannah H. was a universalist. I read her book, Hinds Feet on High Places at least 20 years ago, and to me it was her learning to trust in Jesus and let go of her fears . . . it was a metaphor, not a lesson on how to be saved OR reach a higher consciousness. The Word says that the enemy of our souls will come against us in whatever way we are weak . . . if he can make us afraid and depressed, he will . . . anything to get out eyes off Jesus, our Hope, our Lord.
---Gena8493 on 7/11/07


Gena8493: Pull up on you web David Wilkerson/Hannah Hanard.

I was very disappointed to know this.He teaches all of her books at his school Mt.Zion.Hannah was for sure a universalist,New Ager etc. Now tell me why he would be doing that? Where is his discernment? He has made many false prophesies like Benny Hinn that have not come to pass. So now he has this word of Knowledge and New Prophesies too??? We need to be very careful not to put *anyone* on a pedistal,keeping our eyes on the Lord not man.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/07


Kathyr - I have been receiving David Wilkerson's written messages every 3 weeks for years and NEVER have I concluded from reading them that David W. thinks we attain our salvation thru suffering. I don't know where you got your information, but it is wrong.
---Gena8493 on 7/9/07


#2 to Kathyr and all: David Wilkerson is NOT a universalist, nor in any way shape or form New Age. I very much dislike seeing someone attacked and falsely accused.
---Gena8493 on 7/9/07


New Agers Believe: 1)The God of the Bible is not the God of the universe. 2)There is no need for salvation. 3)The Bible is not the inerrant word of God. 4)There is no need to be a student of the Bible. 5)Spiritual encounters need not be tested against the Bible. 6)There is no need whatsoever to be linked to the body of Christ. 7)There is no need to walk under the spiritual covering of a pastor.
---Gena8493 on 7/9/07




#2 New Agers . . . accept all religions except Christianity or anyone who believes that Jesus is the only way to heaven. They believe we have arrived at the Age of Aquariuas, (left the age of Pices -the fish which stood for Christianity). They want to intune themselves to any spirit except the Holy Spirit of God. They believe Christians should be removed from the earth . . . and they believe they will evolve into perfection and peace.
---Gena8493 on 7/9/07


GoodMorning Bill. Oh I absolutely believe in the Fellowship of his sufferings, Philippians 3, as we are being conformed to His image...and pressing on until the Lord comes.

This teaching of his and Art's is Pentacostal/ Universalism/New Age and is altogether different. It sounds good to those who don't know their scriptures.
---kathr453 on 7/9/07


So . . . Kathy . . . David Wilkerson is a "universalist" > meaning he believes all will eventually be saved, or what?

I understand "the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death" (in Philippians 3:10) means we share in THAT love which had Jesus suffering and dying like He did for us.

And our Father is not turning His back on US, in this; so I can see He did not ever REALLY turn His back on Jesus who was "a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/8/07


Goodmorning Bill, Universalists like Hannah Hanard, and now David Wilkerson believe we SUFFER our way to salvation. That was my point...sorry I didn't clarify that. I say our salvation is by grace through faith in the finished work of Christ/His atonement for OUR sin. Jesus didn't suffer in hell as the word/faith people say. I believe when we receive Jesus Christ, are buried with Him in death and resurrection life that we ARE already son's and daughters...that we don't suffer to earn our sonship. Next
---kathr4453 on 7/8/07


Bill #2
Only Sons and Daughters AFTER they are saved can say with Paul.."that I may KNOW Him and the fellowship of His sufferings". That is a completely different matter after one is Born Again...the working out of what the Lord is working in as we grow up into Him. Only the New Man can grow up into Him to begin with. Our old adam nature is not being reconstructed, as this seems to imply. We are a New Creation In Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/07


Well, Kathy, I thought universalism means the belief that all will get saved, eventually, and no one will go to Hell.

But there are Baptist and Pentacostal people who believe Jesus on the cross became sin and our Father turned His back on Jesus, and then Jesus went through eternal suffering in Hell, instead of us.

But Paul says Jesus on Calvary was "an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (in Ephesians 5:2)
---Bill_bla5659 on 7/7/07


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I just heard one, about earning your way to sonship. Really off the wall stuff. Said Jesus finally earned sonship when God turned away from Him at the cross, because He was able to go it alone. God turned away because our sin was placed upon Him, and God could not look at sin. That was His greatest moment of suffering. I have been looking a universalism. Hannah Hannard a universalist, places salvation on our suffering, and not the finished work of Christ...Art follows this teaching...
---kathr4453 on 7/7/07


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---Francis on 7/6/07


According to what I found on the Net, he's not universalist, but does deal with the "universal" church; and he's a Jew and listed in one site with D. L. Moody and David Wilkerson, and he's Pentacostal.

But how well is he handling his success?

You might see what you get out of his message which you can search with "Him, who is meekness"
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/6/07


Google his name ... you will find something. Whether you can find your way through to what he says is another thing.
---alan_of_UK on 7/6/07


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