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(1) {{many profess he comes back dressed in white}}
Lori: I've not heard anyone say that but if they do, I think it's because of how Jesus is portrayed in movies & plays, etc. When I was younger, I had been praying that God would make Himself real to me, one way He answered my prayer is that out of the blue I saw a fleeting vision of a man standing with his arms outstretched. (cont.)
---tracy3346 on 10/6/07


(2) He was wearing a blood red garment, & I heard a voice whisper "Jesus." For the next few days, I had an elated sense of peace & joy.
I hadn't read Rev 19 at that point & remember thinking "why red?" because I had just always pictured Him in white. Upon reading Rev 19:13... "And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God." the vision made sense.
---tracy3346 on 10/6/07


(3) This passage correlates with Joh 1:1... "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
HOW WONDERFUL THE WORD OF GOD IS!!!!! He never ceases to amaze me!
---tracy3346 on 10/6/07


{{I'm afraid I miss your point about Deut 18:22.}}
I apologize, Tammy, I assumed you were aware of the fact that many things Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, & several others prophesied in the name of the Lord didn't come to pass.
---tracy3346 on 10/6/07


MikeM - I don't - what i read was not like your statement and your a little out there if you know what I mean soo.
But I prefer to stay away form cult or cultic groups.
The non-denominational seem to work better for me. As you see I'm rather out spoken.
---Andrea on 10/3/07




Andrea, I know what handmaidens are.
---MikeM on 10/3/07


lori - you can not judge your relationship with Jesus by protestants.
There are plenty of mormon perverts ...Warren Jeffs is just one
Jos.Smith married 33 woman ...there was no shortage of men - in fact there were more men then woman.
Smith was a pervert with a desire for power and with it - woman.

Lori - think about that - your Prophet is a pervert - he married women with husbands that were mormons.
Why don't you address your own perverse religion instead of attacking Christians.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


---lori do you think you could possibly put Catholic priest in this group also?
"I know for a fact evangelists and so called prophets in protestant churches are false. their fruits and the Holy Ghost condemns them through their actions. many profess one thing and do the opposite. hence wolves in sheeps clothing. Actions speak louder than words ever could."
---lori on 10/2/07
---Mima on 10/3/07


MYTH #4: All of Joseph Smith's prophecies came to pass.

If that was true Jesus would have returned in 1891 (Documentary History of the Church (DHC) 2:182), The Civil War would have poured out upon all nations (D & C 87:1-3), the wicked of Smith's generation would have been "swept from off the face of the land" (DHC 1:315), and a temple would have been built in Independence Missouri by the generation living in 1832 (D & C 84:4,5).
---Andrea on 10/3/07


Andrea-What would you do if you saw me in your church?
---MikeM on 10/2/07




andrea, have you ever heard of the holy spirit? you do understand he is the bearer of all truth? If you actually prayed about things, you wouldn't be condemning everything around you. I know for a fact evangelists and so called prophets in protestant churches are false. their fruits and the Holy Ghost condemns them through their actions. many profess one thing and do the opposite. hence wolves in sheeps clothing. Actions speak louder than words ever could.
---lori on 10/2/07


lori -
Matthew 7:15-16 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
---Andrea on 10/2/07


tracy: I asked the question to see if you really study the bible as you profess. I'm surprised you didn't know the answer. Rev 19:12-16. "and he was clothed in a vesture dipped in blood." many profess he comes back dressed in white but the bible says RED. Just like a rapture. how can Jesus usher in the first resurrection of the righteous living ON THE EARTH if they are already gone in a rapture. its hard to drink water when the glass is empty, but that is what many here profess.
---lori on 10/2/07


Tracy, I'm afraid I miss your point about Deut 18:22. First, the answer to the "fruits" question. I think the answer to that is in the instruction given to the members of the church. Obey the Ten Commandments, love one another, give cheerfully, take care of the sick, the needy ,etc. Those things are good fruits.
---Tammy on 10/1/07


Keeping a year of food storage, being prepared for a disaster - more good fruits. If the prophet were to come down with a revelation of any kind - we are admonished to pray to know if it is true...never to blindly follow any leader! When I listen to the President of our church, Gordon B. Hinckley, I have no doubt that he was called of God.
---Tammy on 10/1/07


Tracy, an interesting thought is this: I don't know how familiar you are with the succession of the Presidents of our church but it was once explained to me that if the person who is to succeed as prophet isn't who God has chosen to lead, he will likely die. I don't know if that's true - haven't researched the life spans of the Presidents of the church, but it's interesting when compared with Deut. 18:20. God chooses who will lead the church, men do not.
---Tammy on 10/1/07


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Hi Tammy =0)
First, could you tell me what exactly you believe to be the 'fruits' you will know them by are, and how LDS "prophets" have borne these fruits?
Second, if not by Deu 18:22, how do LDS determine whether a prophet is false?
---tracy3346 on 10/1/07


Tracy -

I read the scriptures you posted for Lori. I'm not arguing that there are and will be false prophets. Rev. Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Hale Bop guy,etc. The Bible also clearly states that God will reveal His secrets through Prophets and that by their fruits you will know them. It was interesting that as I was looking up the scripture you offered in Luke, I initially went to the wrong one - Luke 6:22. I'll take heed of that.
---Tammy on 9/30/07


(1) Lori (Ash): Thanks for the scripture reference (Eph 4:11-14) about apostles, prophets, etc. I believe those passages are true and relevant today. Now I have some for you... Mat 7:15, Mat 24:11, Mat 24:24 & Mar 13:22, Luk 6:26, Mar 13:22, 2Pe 2:1-3, & 1Jn 4:1. While you have your Bible open, just for fun, read Deu 13:1-3 & 18:20-22.
---tracy3346 on 9/29/07


(2) {{When Jesus returns to usher in the first resurrection, what will his appearance be like. what will he be wearing?}}
--Lori 9/27/07
Lori: I'm so glad you brought this up.

One can find this description of Christ in Rev chap. 1.

Notice that Christ declares " I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending (v. 8), "...I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last" (v.11), and "...I am the first and the last" (v.17)
---tracy3346 on 9/29/07


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(3) Now read Isa 44:6...
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts, I am the first, and I am the last, and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD."
Also read Isa 41:4 and 48:12.
---tracy3346 on 9/29/07


{{Tracy - I haven't ignored you, for some reason I am not able to get most of my posts on!}}

Hmm, perhaps you could try re-posting them. One of mine didn't get posted yesterday, but I figured it was because I had gotten a bit longwinded. I'm impressed by how well the Mods do considering the amount of replies they must go through. Anyway, you're welcome to contact me on chat if you wish.
---tracy3346 on 9/29/07


MM - they do pay extra for things in the temple - you have obviously not done your research
as usual you just want to rant about your fundamentalist childhood....
if you were a christian you'd have forgiven them
when I researched the temple goings on - it was worse then I'd suspected. creepy

but then what would you expect from a man with 33 wives - who married some of his own followers wives
---Andrea on 9/28/07


Tracy - I haven't ignored you, for some reason I am not able to get most of my posts on!
---Tammy on 9/28/07


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Andrea says your searching will end with Him You see I believe we are eternally increasing, emerging, learning, expanding, thats what we were created for, whereas in your fundamentalism, as you admit, you discontinue thinking- no search-just float.

Andrea says, really you have suffered greatly This is all AD HOMIMUN, rhetorical fluff, a way of diverting from the issues at hand. I think all can clearly see that. My current suffering is from 4 root canals at once, does it also affect theology?
---MikeM on 9/28/07


Andrea, Most of my points, were taken care of by Lori, Tammy, very well.

Andrea speaks about His power and grace I see nothing Godly in a comment you made about women paying extra at the temple for some 'unusual' things, or a dozen other trite, shallow, and often plain nasty statements, nothing Christlike in such responses. Rhetoric and reality often part ways. My points stand.
---MikeM on 9/28/07


lori - "If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith], if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him, Joseph Smith.

clearly JS is your god
---Andrea on 9/28/07


hi guy's and doll's,pretty clear about the debate,if any-one find's christ you become a new ctreation,clearly smith is not christ,your believe system's scary,sam-cape town.sa
---sam on 9/28/07


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Tracy: Ephesians 4:11-14. Jesus Christ himself set up his church. Who authorized man to change the organization he himself organized. Many twist, distort and deny many verses in the bible, but when the bible speaks, people should listen. God has always worked through his prophets. He called twelve apostles. when judas died, mathias was chosen to replace him keeping the twelve intact. Many fight, argue, ridicule and mock people following everything in the bible. why. it is all there in black and white.
---lori on 9/27/07


2- God has worked through prophets since the dawn of time. Moses, Abraham, Noah until the falling away,when man's doctrines replaced those taught by Jesus Christ. as prophecied, a restitution of all things occured. God again speaks through his prophet on earth. Each prophet is responsible for everyone during their lifetime. The people living at the time of Moses answer to him. Today, we are still accountable to God's prophet. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. why do so many teach he changes.
---lori on 9/27/07


andrea. I have a question for you. Lets test your knowledge of the bible. When Jesus returns to usher in the first resurrection, what will his appearance be like. what will he be wearing? a simple question and your reply should be interesting. that goes for everyone else too.
---lori on 9/27/07


Brigham Young wrote that when you die it will be Joseph that decides if you get into celestrial heaven - and wouldn't he have to be a god or a liar. BC he said you'd be a god....... "right".

now picture this - the Book of Revelations and the white throne judgment - and absolutely no mention of Joseph Smith or Mary being there. Its a wonder he didn't rewrite that in there.
---Andrea on 9/27/07


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(1) {{No one has EVER claimed that Joseph Smith is the Lord!}}
No Tammy, I didn't say that, sorry you got that impression. I'm simply trying to point out the fact that it will be The Lord Himself who will come, not Joseph Smith, or any prophet for that matter.
---tracy3346 on 9/27/07


(2) I know that God often communicates His will through His prophets, however, these passages clearly indicate Jesus Christ will come personally. There's no implication whatsoever that He would come "through" anyone else.

I don't know how to make it any more clear, so I'll quit harping on the subject. =0)

Are you up for discussing some other things?
---tracy3346 on 9/27/07


Tracy -
No one has EVER claimed that Joseph Smith is the Lord! We believe that the Lord restored his gospel through Joseph Smith just as he has always used prophets to communicate his will. I honestly can't grasp what other meaning you can take from those scriptures BUT I accept that you see it differently.
---Tammy on 9/26/07


(1) Tammy, about the restoration... let's take another look at Acts 3:19-20
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing SHALL COME FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, (Joseph Smith IS NOT the Lord!!!)
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, (again, not J.S.) which before was preached to you
---tracy3346 on 9/25/07


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(2) {{it is not "another gospel"}}
Joseph Smith taught that the BoM is the "fullness of the everlasting gospel" (Doctrine & Covenants 27:5, 135:3)

Tammy, I can agree to disagree, no problem. You don't have to answer to anything I say, I'm not your judge. However, I urge you to think outside the Mormon box.
---tracy3346 on 9/25/07


(3) If I'm right and Mormonism is as I believe, a counterfeit of Christianity, I fear you won't get another chance after death (Pro 11:7, Eccl. 9:10, Psa 49:7-8, Luke 16:26-31, Heb 9:27.) You and my wonderful LDS friends and neighbors could very well be among those spoken of in Mat 7:22-23. You won't be able to tell God "we'll have to agree to disagree."
---tracy3346 on 9/25/07


(4) MikeM: No one disputes the fact that the Bible teaches about a falling away. However, a total apostasy, as implied by Mormons, is never suggested in Scripture. On the contrary, 1Ti 4:1 states "SOME (not all) shall depart from the faith." Jesus promised "the gates of hell shall not prevail against" His church. (Mat 16:18) And to His followers He said " lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." (Matt. 28:20).
---tracy3346 on 9/25/07


The Gold Plates were retrieved by the messenger that delivered them. Why? My guess would be because they were gold and therefore valuable to many who would seek fortune rather than truth. I know you will dispute that claim but as I've stated before - I know it to be true because I have actually prayed about the truth of what I've learned.
---Tammy on 9/25/07


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Andrea -
It's easy to be dedicated to something that one knows is true.

Ramon -
I'm anxiously awaiting your wisdom in regard to what doctrine of Jesus Christ you claim the Mormons don't follow.
---Tammy on 9/25/07


I am humbled by your dedication to your denomination
---Andrea on 9/24/07


It saddens me to think that someone who claims Christ's indwelling presence does not experience His power and grace.

MikeM - when you fall in love with Jesus He will become so real to you - that your searching will end with Him.

Be blessed mike - really you have suffered greatly and you can find victory in Him. When you give Him reign.
---Andrea on 9/24/07


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It is refreshing to see posters like Ramon so free of religious bigotry and crippling ignorance that they can engage in intelligent dialogue. ---MikeM on 9/23/07

And Mormonism is NOT founded on "crippling ignorance"? I went on Cumorrah hill. seeing nothing but trees, grass and a big monument.

WHERE ARE THE PLATES, MIKE?

WHAT IS "REFORMED EGYPTIAN"?
---John_T on 9/24/07


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cont.
Andrea - the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the restored church of Jesus Christ, we follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ. Any church that has broken off of this church has broken away from the doctrine of Jesus Christ...it doesn't matter how many there are.
---Tammy on 9/23/07


now Andrea,Fundamentalism is the other Gospel, LDS is definitely THE gospel. Jesus is the creator of this planet calling it into existence. As to Gal 1:8, Pentecostalism is a preaching of that other belief. Its only 100 years old. The argument of 'numbers is fallcious, as the RCC is the largest, lol
---MikeM on 9/23/07


Ramon says the BOM has been proven wrong scientifically, how so? (I am a biologist, think before answering-if you are able)
*You have not given no Scripture that teaches Christ Church will fall away for starters, 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is in context, and there are so many others, but I doubt you would respond no matter how many scriptures about apostasy, a falling away was posted. The Gospels were written about 45AD
---MikeM on 9/23/07


Ramon says the BOM is a devil book*--clearly a in depth literary analysis from a well informed person who I am sure has read it and s informed as to its contents.
As to Gal 1:8-9 I would call fundamentalism is the other gospel, which is about 100 years old, uses the Bible as a mere talisman, and retains elements of the ancient Dionysian religion in it.
---MikeM on 9/23/07


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Ramon says The LDS have made up fairy tales coming from Joseph Smith (alot contradict Scared Scriptures)

Name one.

Ramon says, They (Mormons) live in the world and indulge in every evil imaginable.*

Name one.

It is refreshing to see posters like Ramon so free of religious bigotry and crippling ignorance that they can engage in intelligent dialogue.
---MikeM on 9/23/07


Ramon,
I'm sure glad I could provide you with a good laugh. I'm always interested in how scripture references are completely disregarded and you certainly do a wonderful job. That scripture doesn't say that the two events will happen simultaneously - only that both will occur before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Obviously you haven't read the BOM - it is not "another gospel" - it does not contradict the Bible.
---Tammy on 9/23/07


* The BOM is a history of what took place on the American continent, isn't it possible that THIS land was dark for three days?*

Well, since the Book of Mormon has alreadly been proven wrong scientifically, what is your point? It is amazing that you believe the BOM is a "historical book" ROFL!

*though I've given you scripture to indicate otherwise*

You have not given no Scripture that teaches Christ Church will fall away and be restore by Joseph Smith!
---Ramon on 9/22/07


*I am no Bible or BOM scholar and I looked for the dates you mention in my BOM - I didn't see them*

Wow. When was the Book of Acts and Matthew Gospel written? I won't tell you, I leave that for your research.

Tammy, at what period in time did Christ Church (as a whole) fell away into error?

You taking II Thes 2:3 out of context (the antiChrist hasn't come yet). Amos 8:11-12 has nothing to do with you said. God was talking to Israel! Hello!
---Ramon on 9/22/07


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Candice-as hard as it is to realize. the fact that you had a vision - if it does not line up with scripture only means that it was not from God.

LDS is definitely another gospel. All they do is change the vocabulary. They may call him Jesus but it is not the God that spoke the world into existance - beside and before whom there is no other.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---Andrea on 9/22/07


*There isn't another church [that] obeys everything the bible and Jesus taught . .than LDS's. *

If that is true, then why do you people follow a devil book (BOM)?Paul wrote, "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8-9).
The BOM is another "Gospel".
---Ramon on 9/22/07


Tracy, thank you. I'm not looking for a fight either - sometimes I know I can get rather defensive. I have no problem discussing different thoughts on scriptures when it's offered in the spirit of learning and not with the contempt that many use here. It can get pretty hard when some of the things posted are twisted half truths and lies.

Obviously, I believe the restoration has taken place but the revelation of the son of perdition has not. I guess that once again we'll have to agree to disagree.
---Tammy on 9/22/07


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* There isn't another church on the face of the planet that teaches, loves, and obeys everything the bible and Jesus taught us during his life on the Earth than LDS's. *

The LDS do not follow all of God's Doctrines. Most of made up fairy tales coming from Joseph Smith (alot contradict Scared Scriptures).

*The thing that annoys other christians. We practise what Jesus said and they don't. They live in the world and indulge in every evil imaginable.*

That is so far from the truth honey!
---Ramon on 9/22/07


Even though I donot believe all of what LDS teaches,setting aside scripture,I do still believe even though I'm not at the church that Joseph Smith did have a vision from God & Gods son. I say that because I had received a personal vision & Jesus spoke to me himself. count...
---Candice on 9/22/07


PT 2: My friends father whom I consider my "dad" also recieved a vision from God & pointed to his son Jesus. & btw my friend has said things & they did 100 percent come to pass. point is it is faith, & we weren't there to see if this really occured or not. What about Saul turned to Paul?Jesus was speaking to him & he saw him, but the other 2 men saw nothing! pt 3
---Candice on 9/22/07


PT3:Last but not least:I've been to so many faiths,as I told you on this board, after praying & correcting my heart before God, I still very much respect the LDS church & consider them more of a Christian church then others I've visited. I put my bitterness aside & turned to scripture & I agree they do teach the scripture of God,but does that mean I'm returning? I do not know,but I never again will say they were wrong in scripture when they weren't.
---candcie on 9/22/07


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Please I did not liken mormons to protestants. I said LDS was as split as any prot group if not more so. For only being in business for 150 years you've manage to mangle it just like the Christians have.

How many sects of mormons are there now. I heard there's even a pentecostal one - that's frightening
---Andrea on 9/22/07


(1) Tammy: First, I'd like to say that I appreciate your consideration of my posts and calm, non-defensive response. I'm honestly not looking for a fight.

{{I'm guessing that your claim is that Joseph Smith is the son of perdition?}}
No, it isn't, but I can see how you would get that impression. Please understand that I believe the restoration of the church mentioned in the passages you cited is a future occurrence.
---tracy3346 on 9/22/07


(2) I was simply noting that, unless I've missed something, the revealing of the 'man of sin' hasn't taken place yet, so how can the restoration have already happened? If you say it has, who was this 'son of perdition' and when did he sit in the temple of God?
---tracy3346 on 9/22/07


Tracy - No reason other than I only get 85 words. I'm guessing that your claim is that Joseph Smith is the son of perdition? Can you explain away the other scriptures I mentioned?

Andrea - The LDS are NOT protestants, they did not break away from the Catholic church. We believe that ours is the restored church of Jesus Christ. You know that. We don't pick and choose which doctrine to follow - we follow that of the Savior.
---Tammy on 9/21/07


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**Tammy/lori as long as you know that the gods that Joseph Smith served you Is not the God of the Bible.

Andrea - you are wrong and what's worse, you know it. Is it so important to you in your attempt to "prove" the LDS wrong that you will lie? You know that Joseph Smith served only God the Father and Jesus the Son! Yes, two different personages - that part is true.
Please move on to something else and stop trying to mislead people.
---Tammy on 9/21/07


different forms of the same thing. either the words of Jesus Christ are true, or they are false, no in between, no contradictions and no dillusions ....
---ashley on 9/19/07
You did not find this in the LDS church. They are as split or more so, then any other protestant denomination.
Jesus Christ knows every hair on the head of every one of His followers. He is not a building or a denomination.
He is alive and He is the one and only God of the universe

Have you cried out to Him?
---Andrea on 9/20/07


Eloy, your post is idiotic. There isn't another church on the face of the planet that teaches, loves, and obeys everything the bible and Jesus taught us during his life on the Earth than LDS's. The thing that annoys other christians. We practise what Jesus said and they don't. They live in the world and indulge in every evil imaginable. LDS's make them look bad through a righteous example, so of course they hate us. it is said misery loves company. if everyone lives in evil, people don't feel guilty.
---ashley on 9/20/07


Christians worship and obey Christ, mormons do not.
---Eloy on 9/20/07


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{{II Thes 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first....}}
Tammy: Why did you leave out the rest of this passage? ("....AND that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,)
---tracy3346 on 9/19/07


II Thes 2:4 goes on to say "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
---tracy3346 on 9/19/07


Ramon - in regard to your so called "contradictions" between the Bible and the BOM.First - "at Jerusalem" vs. "in Bethlehem". I think the term "at" refers to a vicinity. It doesn't say "in" Jerusalem.Second - The scripture in Helaman reads "But behold, as I said unto you concerning another sign....there shall be no light on the face of THIS land...for the space of three days."
---Tammy on 9/19/07


The BOM is a history of what took place on the American continent, isn't it possible that THIS land was dark for three days? I am no Bible or BOM scholar and I looked for the dates you mention in my BOM - I didn't see them. Still, I don't see anything that I would consider a true contradiction. The Bible has been translated more than the BOM and I'm certain there are translation errors - I'll give you the benefit of choice.
---Tammy on 9/19/07


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Ramon - As for the quotes you gave from the D & C, it isn't the Book of Mormon AND inasmuch as the LDS believe in continued revelation I have no reason to attempt to defend anything there because I believe it has been revealed as will much more in the future. The context of D & C 28 was in regard to clearing confusion as to who was receiving true revelations regarding the Church (Joseph Smith) - not in regard to who the true head of the church is (Jesus Christ).
---Tammy on 9/19/07


in 1643, the reformers rose up against the catholic church finding faults. how if it was perfect. calvin influenced many of the reformers. they incorported many of his theories into doctrines. people disagreed leading to baptist, methodist, episcopalian etc. churches being born. men wouldn't try to restore truth if the falling away hadn't happened. all those churches now existed. if they had truth, why had the restitution of all things still not occured. that didn't occur until 1820.
---ashley on 9/19/07


2- its interesting to note when scriptures are shown proving truth, people ignore or deny they exist. if you prove one doctrine is false in a church, they suddenly say everyone is right. you only have to preach Jesus and doctrines don't matter. Jesus said there is one faith, one baptism, one church, not many different forms of the same thing. either the words of Jesus Christ are true, or they are false, no in between, no contradictions and no dillusions about them.
---ashley on 9/19/07


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