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1st Cliff, Take these following Scripture Verses and "box" them back-and-forth as you would with two cans of house paint. They clearly imply to you and remind you that the souls of the lost will dwell for ever and ever in Hell, then the Lake of Fire.> Rev. 14:9-11, Rev. 19:20, Rev. 20:10, Rev. 20:11-15. With these Verses you CAN get the full picture. But, knowing the WHOLE Bible does wonders to clarify much. Use a King James Bible (KJV), as well. YAHUVEH bless you in your understanding!
---Gordon on 5/11/08


Crystal: Why do you not agree? Does your continual Denial of Truth make it so?
---SeventhSeal on 9/4/07


Why do you have to tell yourself to have a good life?
Does the complimenting yourselves make it so?
---Crystal on 8/28/07


Well said SeventhSeal. Have a good life. Please.
---catherine on 8/28/07


catherine/Rebecca: Ever wondered why Jesus told His Disciples to kick the dust from thier feet as a testimony against any town that would not recieve them?

Mal4:3 "And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet" ...The fuel consumed, the Fire and the Suffering end, its only the result of unquencheable fire that is eternal.
---SeventhSeal on 8/28/07




RebeccaD: How can they be ashes under the soles of your feet if the fire never goes out?

Stop reasoning away the Truth to hold onto the antichristian tradition of the Roman beast.
---SeventhSeal on 8/27/07


If you do not get saved from it you will find out. The answer is YES!.
---catherine on 8/26/07


Sherry: God prepared hell for Satan and his demons. But he gives warnings to those who do not accept Jesus as their personal Savior. He tells us that those who take the mark of the beast (unrighteous) will be cast out into hell, being tormented day and night with no rest. God is a just and mercyfull God. Hell is real, and it is everlasting punishment, with everlasting torment and the fire is not quenched.
---Rebecca_D on 8/25/07


Seventhseal: Hell is eternal fire, punishment, damnination. God says he will put an end to sorrow, death, pain to those who are in heaven. He wasn't meaning the lost people. As it is explained in Rev 21:4. The bible says the unrighteous will be punished with everlasting destruction, fire, where the fire is not quenched and their worm dieth not. The word worm is used metaphorically to the torments of the guilty (sinners) in the world of departed spirits.
---Rebecca_D on 8/25/07


Sherry:

Your leaning on your own understanding again, you can't fit the God of Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham in a box.

Neither you nor I can understand the totality of God's Justice towards those who deny his Love and choose death over life.

"Let God be truth and every man a lie".
---Marcia on 8/25/07




If hell exists then God created flawed beings and made a place of torment for them. How loving is that? Do you folks never wonder when enough is enough? Billions of people have died horrible deaths since recorded time began. How can this all be God's plan? Ps. dont cite the bible please? speak from your mind.
---Sherry on 8/25/07


In MATTHEW 5:29 Jesus himself states,
"If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to loose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." So says The Sun of God.
---Edd on 8/25/07


Seventhseal, I'm not good with opinions, your have to give me scripture to back that watered down, Sweet little, God is Loving but not Just opinion up.

And please don't take scripture out of context I'm much to Biblically Literate for that.
---Marcia on 8/24/07


Marcia: Eternal damnation, yes! Eternal Pain, Sorrow, Suffering: NO! Those that desire to burn others and perpetuate thier pain and suffering are no better than satan.

God says He will put an end to ALL Pain and SOrrow and Death...once the damned are burnt up completely and made to be dust for ETERNITY.
---SeventhSeal on 8/24/07


Those who are Judgeg at the Great White throne Judgement will be sent to eternal damination. Jesus died to save us from this Judgement, it is otherwise known as eternal punishment. God is not only loving, he is also Just, and has reserved a place in the lake of Fire for Satan and the False Prophets. There are degrees of punishment in Hell just like there are degrees of rewards in Heaven and all those who reject Christ will be eternally separated from God for a eternity to endure damnation for there sins.
---Marcia on 8/13/07


Can someone from the eternal hell camp please explain why only Jude refers to Sodom and Gomorrah's fate as 'eternal fire' compared with Isiah, Peter, Jerimiah's view that it was totally consumed eternally?
---dan on 8/13/07


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Ultimately - I won't believe that we in heaven are rejoicing while our loved ones are screaming in torment a million years from now.
But scripture for scripture it means that they are in torment - how a spiritual body feels pain I don't know so I CHOOSE to believe they are extinguished forever.
I am well aware that this is my personal theology and I'm sure to explain that if it is discussed. it can be dangerous to preach what is outside the Bible.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


I totally agree with Andrea and Gordon.

Yes there really is a Hell and sadly its where a lot of people are going to end due to pride, arrogance, and ignorance. I would suggest if you don't believe in Hell and are carrying a bible around, that you would stop using it as a means for gain and start actually reading it.
---Marcia on 8/13/07


Andrea, Look around you, there are MANY who you know and can see who will be receiving the Mark of the Beast. As the appearance of the Antichrist is right around the corner. The fate of those who receive the Mark of the Beast, the ETERNALLY BURNING Lake of Fire, is the SAME fate of ANYONE who rejects the True Messiah Jesus (YAHUSHUA). Because, the point of taking the Mark of the Beast is that of rejecting GOD's True Way of Salvation. Which many do in different ways. Thereby, ending up in the Lake of Fire!
---Gordon on 8/12/07


No, it is a creation of the early church to control through fear. It did not exist in the Old Testament, then it was death or the grave. Since it is eternal, it wouldnt have just appeared when Matthew was written.
---Yoshin on 8/11/07


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#1 Ramon, Seventhseal is absolutely correct. His postion is not from one of feeling but rather careful study. Your use of Revelation 14:11 is dishonest because in the two preceding verses a very specific group of people are singled out to receive the consequence spoken of in 14:11, they are those that have received the mark of the beast on either the forehead or the hand. Are you suggesting that every non-believer has this mark?
---Ryan_Z on 8/10/07


#2 Ramon, John 3:16 is very clear in its language, "For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever shall believe in Him shall not PERISH but shall have life age-enduring." It doesn't say that those who do not believe will have eternal life, only those who believe receive this gift, immortality is not inherent within the human soul.
---Ryan_Z on 8/10/07


#2 Ramon, John 3:16 does not say those who do not believe will be eternally punished, it is very clear non believers will PERISH. This is constant theme within the bible that the soul of he who sins will die.
---Ryan_Z on 8/10/07


Rev 14:11 says the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. It is specific to those who worship the beast OR recieve the mark - meaning these are people who knowingly follow Satan.
I'm an annihilist (not SDA) I don't see God roasting a dog for eternity let alone a human AND I DON"T WANT YOU TO CHANGE my mind. God will do it HIS way
It does not gorify God. It is just not like God.
---Andrea on 8/10/07


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Seventhseal, The Bible talks about a eternal Hell, with everlasting Fire. Seventhseal can't put the fire out. Nor will anyone or anything. They CAN'T be smoke without fire. The smoke of their torments ascends forever because they are being tormented. And Jude 6 which you state refers to angels. The Bible said their worm dieth not because the people don't cease to exist.

Learn the Truth Seventhseal!
---Ramon on 8/10/07


*(Rev 14:11){SMOKE ASCENDS LONG AFTER FIRE GOES OUT}*

There is no proof that the fires of Hell goes out. Yet another fallacy! There can't be smoke if there is no fire. The burning bush near Moses was on fire, yet the bush was neither destroy nor consumed. The fires of Hell are spiritual that can never be turn off. And Rev 14:11 states they had no rest day or night. Oops! That just destroy your argument Sevethseal!
---Ramon on 8/10/07


*Anyone seeking to torture...*

I don't seek it!

The Bible states in Rev 21 that the elect (i.e., God's Children) won't have any sadist, tear, or pain. I won't be sitting down in Heaven "crying".

If my loved ones are in Hell, then its there choice. God didn't put them there. Those who are Hell are NOT God's Children!

Your post is typical of those who just "feel" eternal Hell is wrong, without Scriptural support! You don't know my Heavenly Father!
---Ramon on 8/10/07


everlasting fire Mat18:8,25:41{RESULTS ETERNAL}
everlasting punishment Mat25:46 {PUNISHMENT ETERNAL}
everlasting chains Jd1:6{FOREVER HELD DEAD}
eternal damnation Mk3:29{ETERNALY DEAD}
eternal judgment Heb6:2{ITS FINAL}
eternal fire Jd1:7{RESULTS ETERNAL}
unquenchable fire Mat3:12(RAMON CANT QUENCH}
the fire that never shall be quenched Mk9:43, 44,45,46,48{RAMON CANT PUT IT OUT}
fire unquenchable Lk3:17 {RAMON CANT PUT IT OUT}
(Rev 14:11){SMOKE ASCENDS LONG AFTER FIRE GOES OUT}
---SeventhSeal on 8/9/07


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jerry: Sadists...are not saved. They do not know my Father.

Anyone seeking to torture another for eternity and saying that they will live in bliss while such happens is a sadist.

Anyone who could do such a thing is not saved.
---SeventhSeal on 8/9/07


1st Cliff, It wasn't the building of a city that was Nimrod's sin. It was that he "built" it without GOD (YAHUVEH) and he built it with a heart of sin, pride, ego and REBELLION. You will be pleasantly surprised, then, to see the Metropolis of The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY YAHUVEH. The LORD will have both the Eternal City and His creation of nature, including animals and food, etc... for all of His Saints to enjoy with Him for ever and ever. Praise Him!!!
---Gordon on 8/7/07


Jerry6593, That's fascinating! I imagine that it would be pretty cooled down by now after a few thousand years or so. Too bad we can't say the same for those people who lived there. What a tragedy! :-(
---Gordon on 8/7/07


Gordon, I don't doubt scripture (except uninspired ones) I just doubt literal interpretation of the obvious. Man was never meant to live in cities, it was Nimrod who set out building cities like Nineveh and Babylon etc. Eden was not the plan for a city.Read the prophecies in Isaia (51)about the conditions of the New earth and none of it includes living in cities!
---1st_cliff on 8/6/07


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1st Cliff, You are doubting the Scriptures when it gives the exact measurements of the New Jerusalem. Why do you find it so "impossible" to believe that The LORD YAHUVEH created the City so huge? Granted the majority of mankind will not be in Heaven, but nevertheless, there will be at least, millions plus Saints to inhabit the City. They'll need the Room! :-D
---Gordon on 8/6/07


Gordon: I have personally held ashes from the remains of Sodom or Gommorah in my hand, including 3/4 inch balls of brimstone. It wasn't even hot!
---jerry6593 on 8/4/07


Gordon, The measurements that I gave ARE the exact ones according to Revelation. Taking them literally is absurd. You're right God never asks me for advice but I can deduce from creation and scripture that He is a "practical" God! All that He has created makes perfectly GOOD sense.
---1st_cliff on 8/3/07


1st Cliff, The Scriptures give the exact measurements of the New Jerusalem, the City of the Saints. That City's size and shape is not impossible for The LORD to create. Why be of such little faith? If the New Jerusalem will be climbed by a "heap of stairs" then, that will be O.K. because the Saints will have ALL OF FOREVER to climb them. The LORD YAHUVEH is not just "common". He is Supernatural! He did not create the Heavenly Dwelling Place according to your "common sense".
---Gordon on 8/3/07


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Jerry6593, The Scriptures say that Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the "Vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE". They do NOT say that Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the "ETERNAL Vengeance of fire". Read those two statements C A R E F U L L Y. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between the two. I'm declaring the former, you, the latter. It is ETERNAL FIRE that they're now in. Not simply annhilation, as you think. There are different types of Death. They do not all mean annhilation as you think it does.
---Gordon on 8/3/07


-1-
Jd 7 eternal fire = God's always was, always will be, perpetual fire

'eternal' = adjective that describes the fire. It does not decribe how long the fire burns. Fire that lives by combustible material, dies when the material is consumed.

Fire that lives by God's Spirit does not consume the material and lasts as long as God desires. The fires of Hell are Spiritual.

Lk 16:23 "torments" is Jesus' word. Do you want to trust His word or your mental deduction?
---a_servant on 8/2/07


-2-
Dt 19:13 Thine eye shall not pity him..
:21 And thine eye shall not pity..

Dt 25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

Jer 13:14 ..I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

God is QUITE capable of withholding pity.

Mt 8:12, 22:13, 24:51, 25:30, Lk 13:28 all where Jesus speaks of "weeping and gnashing of teeth"

Is He lying?
---a_servant on 8/2/07


-3-
"hell fire"
"go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched"
"in hell...being in torments"

Mar 9:43 ..fire that never shall be quenched
:44 ..not quenched
:45 ..never...quenched
:46 ..not quenched
:48 ..not quenched

Is Jesus lying?
---a_servant on 8/2/07


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Jerry6593, I am not adding to Scriptures, I am explaining them. There is a big difference! Let's say, the City of Pittsburg all went to the voting booths to cast their votes on Election Day. When you say the City of Pittsburg, you don't mean to buildings and structures. You would be clearly referring to the inhabitants, the citizens. THAT is what The LORD meant when He said that the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the ETERNAL FIRES. It's the CITIZENS or INHABITANTS that He is referring to.
---Gordon on 8/2/07


Gordon: With all due respect, you keep repeating your OPINION of what the scripture says and not the scripture itself. e.g.: "The eternal fires of S. & G. refer to the INHABITANTS who are NOW in Hell burning in the fires that will never go out for them." The scripture does NOT say that! Aren't you aware of the injunction against adding to the scriptures?
---jerry6593 on 8/2/07


litla: "It only takes one scripture to prove something from Gods Word." I agree.

1Ti 6:16 Who ONLY hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
---jerry6593 on 8/2/07


It only takes one scripture to prove something from Gods Word. These bloggers have provided many scriptures PROVING the existance of HELL which Christians have embraced from the time of Christ and the Jews before Him. Why do people continue to desire to disbelieve the existance of HELL? Is it that they live a lawless life? Why do they have a difficult time understanding God is a righteous God and therefore will punish and not simply dispose of filth?
---litla on 8/1/07


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Jerry6593 - (" It is the effect of the fire that is eternal - eternal death - not eternal torture in real flames.") -- Totally incorrect. Jesus Himself says in Mark 9:43, 44 "..to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched - where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched'". Jesus repeats this in verses 45-48. I believe every word that Jesus says.
---Helen_5378 on 8/1/07


Jerry6593, I can see that you are paying absolutely no attention to my replys to you. You keep ECHOING back to me what I've already said to you. I told you that The city, as in the buildings, etc. are all burned to ashes. The eternal fires of S. & G. refer to the INHABITANTS who are NOW in Hell burning in the fires that will never go out for them. The LORD's reference to S. & G.'s eternal fires is towards the INHABITANTS. Later they will all be cast into the ETERNALLY BURNING Lake of Fire!
---Gordon on 8/1/07


1st Cliff, Death and everything that is associated with it, including the rotting corpses of the damned, though those bodies will at one point be resurrected to all stand before The Great White Throne for Judgement, will all be cast into the EVER BURNING Lake of Fire. Death will no longer exist except for those in the Lake of Fire. But, it's a LIVING DEATH!!!!!! I'll explain more later, I'm out of time now.
---Gordon on 8/1/07


Face it Gordon, the fires at S & G have gone out. They no longer exist. Their smoke no longer ascends upward. It is the effect of the fire that is eternal - eternal death - not eternal torture in real flames. I challenge you to find a scripture that validates your contention that the Bible is wrong when it states that only God has immortality.
---jerry6593 on 8/1/07


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Seventhseal, The Bible talks about a eternal Hell, with everlasting Fire. Seventhseal can't put the fire out. Nor will anyone or anything. They CAN'T be smoke without fire. The smoke of their torments ascends forever because they are being tormented. And Jude 6 which you state refers to angels. Jesus talk more about Hell than Heaven. The Bible said their worm dieth not because the people don't cease to exist.
---Ramon on 7/31/07


Revelation 14:11, And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night...

Isaiah 66:24, "....for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
---Ramon on 7/31/07


everlasting fire - Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment - Matthew 25:46
eternal damnation Mark 3:29
eternal judgment - Hebrews 6:2
unquenchable fire - Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched - Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable - Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever - 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever - Jude 1:13

They can't be smoke if there is no fire! ( Rev 14:11). The Fire will NEVER be turn off. Yet another fallacy.
---Ramon on 7/31/07


*(Rev 14:11){SMOKE ASCENDS LONG AFTER FIRE GOES OUT}*

There is no proof that the fires of Hell goes out. Yet another fallacy! There can't be smoke if there is no fire. The burning bush near Moses was on fire, yet the bush was neither destroy nor consumed. The fires of Hell are spiritual that can never be turn off. And Rev 14:11 states they had no rest day or night. Oops! That just destroy your argument!
---Ramon on 7/31/07


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Gordon,I admire your "tenaciousness" You have a great zeal but not a view of the whole big picture! This city you claim is "real"(New Jerusalem) is 1500 miles square and "high" higher than the space station...hello! (if it doesn't have an elevator ,that's a heap of stairs!! Sure I jest, but we need a little common sense when interpreting scripture! Explain how "death" is hurled into the lake of fire,please.
---1st_cliff on 7/31/07


everlasting fire Mat18:8,25:41{RESULTS ETERNAL}
everlasting punishment Mat25:46 {PUNISHMENT ETERNAL}
everlasting chains Jd1:6{FOREVER HELD DEAD}
eternal damnation Mk3:29{ETERNALY DEAD}
eternal judgment Heb6:2{ITS FINAL}
eternal fire Jd1:7{RESULTS ETERNAL}
unquenchable fire Mat3:12(RAMON CANT QUENCH}
the fire that never shall be quenched Mk9:43, 44,45,46,48{RAMON CANT PUT IT OUT}
fire unquenchable Lk3:17 {RAMON CANT PUT IT OUT}
(Rev 14:11){SMOKE ASCENDS LONG AFTER FIRE GOES OUT}
---SeventhSeal on 7/31/07


Jerry6593, Yes, Sodom and Gomorrah does INDEED serve as an example for all of us, but, SADLY many in this country are not heeding that example. The old cities of Sodom and Gomorrah are truly left in ashes, AS I STATED IN MY LAST POSTING TO YOU. But, as I also mentioned, the souls who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah are in the ETERNAL FIRES of The LORD's vengeance, in Hell today. I am saddened for the people going to Hell, it's so SAD. Especially, since they do NOT have to go there. They COULD go to Heaven!
---Gordon on 7/31/07


Geoff, Be most assured that The LORD GOD Almighty, Who's Name is YAHUVEH, is V E R Y JUST and EXACT and FAIR in His Judgements and all those who end up in Hell will suffer ACCORDING to their OWN SIN!!! Hitler will suffer more than some ordinary person who rejects Jesus/YAHUSHUA. AND, Geoff, IF YOU WILL READ MY LAST POST TO Jerry AGAIN!! You will SEE that I specifically said that The cities (as in the structures and buildings) were all burned to ashes. It's the INHABITANTS that are STILL ON FIRE IN HELL.
---Gordon on 7/31/07


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Gordon: You read through very dark glasses, seeing what your mind imagines. Jude 7 talks about S & G being an EXAMPLE to those currently living. How can an example be invisible. On the other hand, the burned out ashes of S & G are still there. But there's no more fire. Why do you hate so much that you want others tortured forever? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Does it make you love a cruel god more?
---jerry6593 on 7/31/07


Gordon, while you are explaining to Jerry why the fires of Sodom and Gomorrah have extinguished, please tell me if it is fair for a thief in Bible times to burn 2,000 years longer than Hitler.

Malachi 4:3
And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
---Geoff on 7/30/07


Jerry6593, Jude1:7 says that Sodom and Gomorrah are suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE, as you quoted. So, do you NOT believe what you see Written before you in Jude 1:7? It says ETERNAL FIRE. I explained what the BIBLE is saying. I said it in plain, understandable english. Why do you NOT believe? Pray to the Holy Spirit to help you to believe the ETERNAL TORMENTS that will be in the Lake of Fire as they are now in Hell. You do not even have to understand GOD's Written Word, just believe It.
---Gordon on 7/30/07


1st Cliff, My last postings to Jerry6593 answered your last question to me. That Death and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire is not a "figurative" statement. It is a Biblical fact that is saying that all of the souls (inhabitants) of Hell and the resurrected, flesh-and-blood bodies of those souls of Hell, will be raised up from their ashes so that the body and soul will reunite once again to stand before The LORD YAHUSHUA at The Great White Throne to hear their sentencing of Judgement.
---Gordon on 7/30/07


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Matt from La: You are another classic example of the use of hell as a scare tactic. God does not scare people into His Kingdom they come of their own free will. You and I have the option of living forever (the gift of God is eternal life) or dieing forever (wages of sin is death) God is Love not a torturer! The "sadists" on here have their own vicious god. not YHVH!
---1st_cliff on 7/30/07


1st Cliff,cont...Their Judgement is for all to be cast ALIVE, like their "father" the Devil, into the ever burning Lake of Fire. If you choose to live all your life like the Devil, then you will go where the Devil ends up going. I am personally convinced that the Devil will suffer the greatest amount of torment in the Burning Lake, more than any other inhabitant there. There are figurative symbolisms in the Book of Revelation. But, not EVERYTHING in the Book of Revelation is symbolic.
---Gordon on 7/30/07


1st Cliff,cont3...In Revelation, the Eternal City of New Jerusalem, where the people of GOD will dwell, is REAL. Likewise, the Eternal Lake of Fire, where the people of the Devil will DWELL, is REAL. Pray to the Holy Spirit (RUACH HA KODESH) to give you understanding or, at least, enough faith to believe that Hell and the Lake of Fire are indeed real and everlasting. If I were lying, I doubt that I would suggest that you PRAY to GOD (YAHUVEH) about it, you know? YAHUSHUA bless you into the Truth!
---Gordon on 7/30/07


Gordo: You use many words, but don't seem to be able to answer a simple question. The scripture says that it is the FIRE of Sodom and Gommorah, not the souls, that is eternal. Now explain why the FIRE has gone out there.
---jerry6593 on 7/30/07


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*Of the 9 scriptures you cite about fire, none of them mention "hell" Is this another "asuption?" The last 2 is about darkness and how dark is it in a fire???*

Since you have confirm long ago that you reject half if not all of the New Testament Books, it is pointless to discuss anything with you that involved the the New Testament. You will still reject it......

Ironically, you will use the New Testament Books to prove someone else wrong. I'm praying for you....
---Ramon on 7/29/07


Many who believe that hell fire is eternal don't like the idea. God said it is eternal so I for one believe Him. Questioning Him is dangerous. The death in hell is a death that lasts for eternity. The pain and agony will be forever. Fact: If a person is told hell torture is forever they are more likely to choose heaven then if they are told hell is temporary or a quick death. Actually, if I believed hell was temporary I probably would of went back to drinking and faced hell.
---Matthew_from_LA on 7/29/07


Jerry6593, The actual earthly CITIES of Sodom and Gomorrah have all been reduced to ashes by the raining fires that The LORD YAHUVEH punished them with. But, the inhabitants are still burning with the fires of Hell. And will all continue to burn in fires that will NEVER be quenched when they are later on all cast alive into the Lake of Fire. So the cities in that sense ARE still on fire!
---Gordon on 7/29/07


Jerry6593,cont2 You must understand and believe that the LORD YAHUVEH does NOT get any joy whatsoever about seeing any of mankind suffering forever in torment in Hell and the Lake of Fire. It is that His Holiness demands that sin be repayed. He LOVES mankind but they are His self-made enemies as long as they CHOOSE TO REMAIN in their sin and REFUSE to repent and receive His Son Jesus (YAHUSHUA) as their Saviour. He truly LOVES His creation of mankind, that's why He, in His LOVE, sent us Jesus (YAHUSHUA)!
---Gordon on 7/29/07


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Jerry6593,cont3...Mankind must individually receive this Gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA) in order to benefit from it. There is no such thing as "Universalism" where ALL of mankind eventually end up in Heaven. Heaven is a place for those who truly and PERSONALLY choose it for themselves. I, myself, am NOT joyful from knowing that people will be tormented forever in the Lake of Fire. It's just that I have to tell about it to warn others! Please, check out Bill Wiese on the Net!
---Gordon on 7/29/07


Jerry6593,cont4...But, I AM HAPPY! HAPPY! HAPPY! that the Devil, the demons, the AntiChrist (AntiMessiah) and the False Prophet will all be burning in torment FOR EVER and EVER! And I would SHOUT that from the tops of the Internet! Justice will be served! In reference again to Sodom and Gomorrah, sometimes the inhabitants of a city or town are named by their city or town. In Revelation, where YAHUVEH casts Death and Hell into the Lake of Fire, It's referring to MAINLY the inhabitants of said places.
---Gordon on 7/29/07


Gordo & server: Please explain why the "eternal" fires of Sodom and Gomorrah have gone out!

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.
---jerry6593 on 7/29/07


Gordon, At first glance one could draw that conclusion,but on careful examination your idea falls far short. How? John wrote Revelation in highly figurative language Nowhere does it say the "lake of fire" IS hell but rather hell is tossed into the lake of fire. Do you understand this terminology? and how death and hell are thrown into the lake of fire? The figurative use of "lake of fire" is the key!
---1st_cliff on 7/28/07


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Ramon, Of the 9 scriptures you cite about fire, none of them mention "hell" Is this another "asuption?" The last 2 is about darkness and how dark is it in a fire??? You need some understanding. Surface knowledge is not enough!
---1st_cliff on 7/28/07


Gordon. Thank-you. Unfortunately, people like seventhseal always try to twist Scriptures to there likely. They read things that are not there and they deny Jesus' own words, whom they called Master and Lord. They used ridiculous logic to prove there point. I pray to God that there eyes are open to the truth some day.
---Ramon on 7/27/07


A Servant and Ramon, keep fighting the GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH. The Truth will always prevail! YAHUVEH bless you Brothers!
---Gordon on 7/27/07


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