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Can a Woman Be a Pastor?

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God does not support people in their rebellion, and does not accept their impure gifts, Proverbs 15:8. A person should not expect to hear from the Lord in that rebellious state, except the word 'repent', Psalm 73:11, Proverbs 3:13, Isaiah 47:10-11. 1Samuel 15:23, Isaiah 5:20-21, 63:10, 1Corinthians 10:9-10 (Numbers 21:5-6), Hebrews 3:12.
As an aside, I'd like to hear as to how many of the pro female Bishop-Deacon-Apostle-Prophet-Pastor-Teacher-Evangelist are married, or in their fathers house, etc.
---Glenn on 6/6/09


Years ago my Aunt was in the hospital for surgery,due to breast cancer,they were doing a hysterectomy as a precaution. Doctor told Mom and I she wouldn't live. We prayed with her,layed hands on,for healing. There was an elderly lady with blocked intestine,we ask did she want prayer. She replied,"do you have a man with you",we said no,so she refused prayer and kept on suffering. I wanted to say yes,Jesus,but didn't. God touched my Aunt she lived to finish raising her 12 year old son,who she saw grown,married and who gave her grandchildren. The Word of God doesn't return void no matter who preaches/teaches it and the prayer of faith does move mountains without any man needed. God didn't take ordinances off of us only to put more on.
---Darlene_1 on 6/1/09


I think that if you really opened your eyes you would see that there are women that have gift of teaching as well as capacity to pastor the flock.---Lee1538 on 6/1/09

Eat fruit Eve... eyes will be opened. ha.
Some like women 2B women and men 2b men. Uni-sexers are gender neutral, not knowing difference in GOD's owner's manual for proper and safe use.
Appropriately call male uni-sex types ....effeminates.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators,idolaters, adulterers,effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:8-10
---Trav on 6/1/09


Carla - I am not saying that there can be no men in the church, only that few men than are really needed answer God's call into the ministry. Look around you, there are churches that have no minister.

And I think that if you really opened your eyes you would see that there are women that have the gift of teaching as well as the capacity to pastor the flock.

However, some people have sexual hang-ups and can only accept the ministry of men, albeit even those that are incapable. (we accurately call such people sexists!)
---Lee1538 on 6/1/09


LEE:

It is you first answers that don't Add up but Yes to women leading If however there are No men in the Church..... Then a woman can teach the children and women but if there is only BUT One man in the building and he said he's saved what is he doing sitting under women and children's ministry? I somehow don't get it ? Can he not read the word? can he not teach? Can he not do what God called the men to do? Is he the head or the tail? How will he lead his own home, work,life?
---Carla3939 on 6/1/09




It is my understanding there should be teaching elders in the church.

But is those offices limited to women or does the scripture that tell us only married men may be elders or deacons really pertain to some problem Paul had in the churches of his time?

We need to bear in mind that we no longer require women to wear coverings over their head while they pray and we need to realize that the role of women has changed drastically since ancient times.

Are we justifed in stifling the church by not using all the available talent that it has at its disposal?

If enough men do not answer the calling, should we simply be without a pastor or should we permit God to give His calling to a woman that will indeed do the job?
---Lee1538 on 5/31/09


Trey, preacher and pastor are two different functions. The preacher delivers the sermon, but a pastor teaches the flock.***
1Cr 16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. Likewise [greet] the church that is in their house. ***
A helper in Christ Jesus furthers the gospel.
---Jo_Ann on 5/31/09


Carla - *Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Cannot we join any lodge? How about the Rotary International or Kiwanis?

Where are we to draw the line?

Col 2:18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism ...
---Lee1538 on 5/31/09


LEE:

Who will believe your report when your a friend with Freemasonry!



Mat 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
---Carla3939 on 5/30/09


Jo Ann, and all who believe women should be preachers:

Priscilla was not a teacher or a preacher. She didn't instruct in this manner. Her and her husband took Apollos to them (took him aside, probably back to their house). It is inferred that Aquilla and Priscilla sat down with him and discussed scriptures.

Please show me one place in the scriptures where it is recorded that Priscilla ever preached a sermon.

1Ti2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
(I believe this simply means she is not to preach or teach men in Church.)

Call me a male shovenist, or a sexist, I want to follow the scriptures wheather or not they are "politically correct".
---trey on 5/29/09




Jdg 4:4
And Deborah,
a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth,
she judged Israel at that time.

The judges were the high ranking rulers, and leaders.
They discerned guilt and innocence in the courts of judgment.
They gave the understanding of the laws. (teaching)
She did not appoint herself, God was with her in the judging and prophesying. Israel was delivered through God under her guidance.

Jdg 5:7...they ceased in Israel,
until that I Deborah arose,
that I arose a mother in Israel.
Pro 1:8, Pro 6:20


She became a mother to a nation.

Mothers taught their children the laws of God.

Why would God grant a woman to this position if it was against His laws?
---SuzieH on 5/29/09


You have to be worst than a sexist as you MUST also hold that only married men may be overseers (i.e. deacons, elders, bishops, etc.)

Get real, the Scripture does not support your viewpoint.
---Lee1538 on 5/27/09

You've wandered a little off the subject.... some understand why.

Not understanding scriptural model of GOD you confused your own.
Afraid to take a role/position as man you identify defend something you aren't as well. Have any hedges around your house?

He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.
Psalm 7:14-16
He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it, and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.
Ecclesiastes 10:7-9
---Trav on 5/28/09


Romans 16:3 and 1Cr 16:19. Priscilla was a teacher and a teacher is a pastor. I never said she was a bishop. And the term bishop means a overseer or curator, not a teacher.
---Jo_Ann on 5/27/09

You're stretching something that is not in scriptural context.

I suppose some new edition Bibles will show 12 apostlets at some point for the ones who have to have total equality.

Plenty of signs/marks are there for the order of things of GOD. Those that cannot bear the things of GOD are a scriptural mark themselves.
---Trav on 5/28/09


Glenn 5/26:
Acts 18:25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord, ,,,knowing only the baptism of John.(KJV)
Acts 18:26 ,,, they took him unto [them], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Romans 16:3 and 1Cr 16:19. Priscilla was a teacher and a teacher is a pastor. I never said she was a bishop. And the term bishop means a overseer or curator, not a teacher.
---Jo_Ann on 5/27/09


trav - *Who can/would believe the rebellious woman or you. Neither follow plain and simple scripture.

One SIMPLE scripture is -

1Ti 3:2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Another SIMPLE scripture is -

Tit 1:6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.

You have to be worst than a sexist as you MUST also hold that only married men may be overseers (i.e. deacons, elders, bishops, etc.)

Get real, the Scripture does not support your viewpoint.
---Lee1538 on 5/27/09


Those that r lead by the spirit these r the sons of god the holy spirit brings a auction an anointin that teaches u and what ever gods word says that's the only inturpitation we need
---laverne on 5/27/09


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Lee, your response (herds and sheep dogs) is befuddling and I'm not sure what it has to do with "authority over men"
that I mentioned from Timothy 2:12. It was a total non-sequitur.
Nothing you said refers to or negates Timothy's letter.
Please see CARLA.
---larry on 5/27/09


God hardens whom ever's heart he chooses to harden example Pharaoh/Moses.

God has the power to make a vessel from clay to be presented as a vase or a vessel for a
chamber pot using the same batch of Clay!

He chooses a donkey today/woman the next.

He chooses to deliver/ set free according to his will.

We have no say over what God did then or what God chooses to do now and the sooner that understanding is grasp is the better we have of knowing God.

One must denounce tare down all hypocrisy made theories, fables and traditions of men
Likewise he chose Men for Leadership/Bishop/Deacon for his church From Paul's judgement till the day Christ returns!

SCRIPTURALLY PROVE OTHERWISE!
---Carla3939 on 5/27/09


But the sexist can never be persuaded not realizing that they really do not want to promote the gospel message.
---Lee1538 on 5/25/09

Who can/would believe the rebellious woman or you. Neither follow plain and simple scripture.

You're showing how far you are willing to go in your fight against....scripture....because you/others do not understand scope of it......you're willing to break with the disciples who wrote it.
GOSPEL= Truth.
Something you can't tolerate. By anyone...especially from Chosen/Elect of GOD.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
James 1:22-24
---Trav on 5/27/09


---robert 5/23/09
Jdg 4:4
And Deborah,
a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth,
she judged Israel at that time.

The judges were the high ranking rulers, and leaders.
They discerned guilt and innocence in the courts of judgment.
They gave the understanding of the laws. (teaching)
She did not appoint herself, God was with her in the judging and prophesying. Israel was delivered through God under her guidance.

Jdg 5:7...they ceased in Israel,
until that I Deborah arose,
that I arose a mother in Israel.
Pro 1:8, Pro 6:20


She became a mother to a nation.

Mothers taught their children the laws of God.

Why would God grant a woman to this position if it was against His laws?
---SuzieH on 5/26/09


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Frances008, 5/24:
Written, 2Corinthians 3:3. The commands were given to all congregations including those today by the Holy Spirit. And was received by all the Apostles including Paul *1 , & Peter *2. This also is the historic position *3. Your responses are carnal, and not from the spirit *4.
*1 Galatians 1:11-12, 16-17, 2:6-9, 11.
*2 2Peter 3:15-16.
*3 1Corinthians 11:16, 14:33, 36-38, 40, 1Timothy 2:13-14.
*4 Romans 6:19, 8:4-8, 1Corinthians 1:26, 3:1, Galatians 5:17-18, Colossians 2:18-19, 1Peter 4:1-2, 1John 2:16.
---Glenn on 5/26/09


Lee1538, 5/23 (1):
The following verses don't limit service to family men, but place standards on those who have a wife, and children. 1Corinthians 9:5 / 1Timothy 3:2 (bigamy), 4-5, 11-12. The first improper use of a pulpit is in Genesis 3.
(2):
1st paragraph: I disagree both with what you wrote, and with what you intended to write. However, God expects us to challenge error, Philippians 1:7, 17, 1Peter 3:15.
2nd paragraph: Nope.
3rd paragraph: You use the same argument that perverts try to use in order to invalidate the scriptures that prohibit their sin.
5/25:
Read the note to John at Glenn, 5/21/09. "God has promised". Verses?
God put those standards in the Bible. Don't be a Genesis 3:1-6 woman.
---Glenn on 5/26/09


Jo Ann, 5/21:
When you use scripture, please study them carefully first. Read the whole story, and then, John 4:28-29, 39-42. They believed Jesus after listening to him. Jesus Christ does not violate his own word by choosing women pseudo elders. Acts 18:24-26. Apollos was "an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures". He would have heard their testimony (of Jesus), and of the Lords' baptism. All those who helped Paul in whatever capacity were his helpers. There were no female bishops!
Anne, 5/22:
See the above comment om Acts.
---Glenn on 5/26/09


Larry, 5/23:
My wife has relatives who have flocks of sheep and goats. If I said to them, your herd dog has no authority, they would be puzzled. A pastor guards, and feeds, the sheep, Romans 12:6-8, 1Corinthians 12:28-30, 14:1 (to teach), Ephesians 4:11-15. The great Pastor selects men to the pastorate, Romans 9:21, 1Corinthians 12:4-6, 14-30. Satan sends wolves, Matthew 7:15.
Anne, 5/23:
Stop!
Robert, 5/23:
Women are to teach their own children, 1Timothy 2:15, and younger women, Titus 2:3-5.
Anne on 5/23:
2Timothy 4:3-4, 2Timothy 3:1-9, Revelations 13:6.
---Glenn on 5/26/09


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Not a prophet supports any doctrine she teaches. Proverbs 14:1-3
---Trav on 5/26/09
My Pastor and other men DO!
You think that you, Glen, and others that agree with disecting the word and only using HALF of it supports the prophets?
don't say I haven't given scripture to support what I've said.
There are only 2 that say a woman can't speak.
Look at the "contridiction". Paul tells women prophets to wait til it's proper to speak in service but then he says a woman can't speak at all?! You can see from this that Paul was addressing a specific problem.
To be a prophetess of God a woman must be able to teach/ preach God's word. God says women can/will do these, but you deny the very scripture that says it.
---miche3754 on 5/26/09


Glenn~ You have really crossed the line in calling Miche a false prophet. ..no finer example of someone who patiently, persistently, diligently, kindly, completely, ... teaches the word of God with all her heart, mind, soul, and strength than Miche. ---Anne on 5/23/09

Anne, I agree she has fine quality's ...one fatal error. The gurl misinterprets scriptures so badly....that it requires scripture to show her differently. She will not accept scriptures witnessing scripture. Always looking for a loop hole to allow the desires of her mind. Not a prophet supports any doctrine she teaches. Danger in defense of such a one.
Every wise woman buildeth her house: the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.
Proverbs 14:1-3
---Trav on 5/26/09


Glenn, Do you and others realize that you are the ones calling God a liar by saying women can't do these things when they have already in the Bible?
I will say it again, you only uphold what you have been taught by man.
Carla,
look at the last of that verse you posted.
Paul is saying women are only saved through bearing children.
Is that what Jesus said?
No, it isn't.
This is what I keep trying to explain but none of you get.
Paul was addressing a situation in a newly established church body.
A woman is saved through Christ not her flesh!
---miche3754 on 5/26/09


We are now in the last days, so the 'rules' ought to be relaxed in my humble opinion.
---frances008 on 5/24/09

Isn't this a sign of the last days?? Laws/rules relaxed?

There is a people with laws in their heart/mind that will loathe these relaxed days.

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 5/26/09


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This is the word of God: not opinion or emotion misinterpretation of scripture:
What does it say?
1Ti 2:11
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
---Carla3939 on 5/26/09


Lee1538, 5/22:
Please read the blogs addressed to you.
Also, see those marked 1/2 & 2/2 on 5/21. The Bible is His word. Women who violate scripture are not doing an 'effective' ministry for the Lord. The entry marked Lee1538 on 5/12 says: 'being rebellious and calling God a liar is to "hinder the spread of the gospel", Jeremiah 44:25.'




---Glenn on 5/25/09


very good frances, I tend to agree with you. Yes, I think men should take the leadership roles in the church, howbeit, I really see nothing in scripture that forbids any vocation to women including those in the church. And God has promised to bless His word as it is proclaimed from the pulpit or expounded upon by a writer who may be a woman.

But the sexist can never be persuaded not realizing that they really do not want to promote the gospel message.
---Lee1538 on 5/25/09


Anyone can twist, turn, distort, pervert, and change scripture to say what they want it to say. This is the exact same thing which Satan does.

If people would stop trying to interpret scripture, stop following the interpretation of others, and accept scripture just as it is written, I am confident there would be no misinterpretations.
---Rob on 5/25/09


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I agree with Frances, except that a male pastor is not necessarily better than a female one!
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/25/09


I am with Miche, here. Paul said that women could not raise their voices in church. Paul was speaking to a young church which was probably no more than house churches, and at that time men ruled the roost and women were second class citizens. However, his letters are not written in stone like the Ten Commandments or have the authority of Jesus's words and even Paul himself said that all were equal under Christ. I would rather get correct doctrine, and the truth from a woman, than a lot of false teaching from a man. Yet the best would be a good male pastor. We are now in the last days, so the 'rules' ought to be relaxed in my humble opinion.
---frances008 on 5/24/09


Lee ... "The very same verses you would use to justify your belief that only men should be pastors also state that men who are pastors (elders, deacons), should be married and have children. No single people or widowers allowed!"

Lee, I have made the same point on many previous occasions.

And on only one occasion has anyone answered, and said "Yes, that's quite right, singles should not be pastors, widowers, because they have been married, are OK provided that they have children.

That one person gave an honest opinion, and even though I think it is wrong, I respect that person.

No-one else responded.
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/24/09


Glenn,
I'm not a prophet so how could I be a false prophet? AND you do realize that a woman is allowed to be a prophet?
if she is allowed to be a prophet then she is certainly allowed to speak according to God's word.
I have read the scripture you have posted here and your arguement is the same over and over again.
Like I said in my earlier blog. If it LOOKS like a contridiction in the WORD, then you are missing something because God's word does not contridict.

Why would Paul ordain women to speak then turn around and tell them to be silent?
But I guess you don't see that do you?
I find that some only accept HALF of God's word because it's part of their manmade tradition, not what God says.
---miche3754 on 5/24/09


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I have read many things written by Miche which were in direct contradiction ofwhat is written in God's Word.

The serious question I ask is what does the make them?
---Rob on 5/24/09


Glenn~ You have really crossed the line in calling Miche a false prophet. I can think of no finer example of someone who patiently, persistently, diligently, kindly, completely, and with every 'fiber of her being' teaches the word of God with all her heart, mind, soul, and strength than Miche. I pray you seek forgiveness for that most grieveous remark. You should be asking the dear Lord to provide us with more diligent teachers of the Word as she has been.
---Anne on 5/23/09


glenn seems not to understand that whenever someone has a different interpretation or view from his that he or she must be teaching error.

Of course, he points to those scripture that states elders and deacons MUST be married - the husband of one wife and MUST have children as he MUST be able to rule his family well.

The error here is from those that are inherently sexist and from a denomination that once held African Americans were sons of Ham and thus justified slavery.
---Lee1538 on 5/23/09


To whom it may concern:
At least as it regards the subject of women in ministry, Miche3754 is teaching error, and should be thought of as a false prophet, Matthew 7:15-20.
Miche3754:
Often, the first correction is to rectify error due to ignorance, the second is to respond to deception, and the third is a rebuke due to rebellion. Yet, you have been corrected several times, and by different people. You are not reading, or you don't understanding, the blogs addressed to you. You keep making statements, and asking questions, that have been answered already. You are insensitive to the Lords direction.
Please take a copy of your blog entries, and the responses to them, to your 'Pastor'. If he is pleased, leave your church.
---Glenn on 5/23/09


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robert -*No i dont think a Woman should be a pastor NOT because men are better but because it says in Gods word that Men are to be Pastors ...

The very same verses you would use to justify your belief that only men should be pastors also state that men who are pastors (elders, deacons), should be married and have children. No single people or widowers allowed!

If God will bless His word as from the pulpit, why should we really care as such advances the gospel message and our interpretation can be incorrect?

It is very difficult to break with traditions even when it is obvious we really need to.
---Lee1538 on 5/23/09


Anne, actually I teach sometimes NOT preach.
I haven't gotten to that level yet.
---miche3754 on 5/23/09


No i dont think a Woman should be a pastor NOT because men are better but because it says in Gods word that Men are to be Pastors and women are to be teaching the children and the other women in the church

Women can be teachers but not pastors

1 Timothy 2:10-11
---robert on 5/23/09


ShawnMT~ Well,I figure I'm teaching here on the blogs, so I guess it would be hypocrisy it I thought women could never preach. Plus Miche said she preaches occasionally, and we need amazing teachers like that. I'm still a bit confused about a few things Paul said on this subject since it seems a bit contradictory. Also Pastor Isaac Livingston is helping me on the topic a bit.

Also AA teachings are 'Alcoholics Anonymous' (plus all the anonymous groups) teach against men sponsoring women and vice versa since it is rather improper and could lead to temptation.

Blessings to you too.
---Anne on 5/23/09


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Of course a woman CAN be a pastor but that is essentially the wrong question.
The question is SHOULD a woman be a pastor.

The answer to both is yes as long as she doesn't have authority over men.

The word "sexist" is nowhere in scripture because the secular word denotes unfairness that is outside the understanding of God's order.

Pagans don't understand the difference between order and status and routinely see Adam or Solomon's (a polygamist) position as a societal demotion of women. Hogwash...read your bible. Scripture won't change between now and the time you cross the Jordan.

BTW, Angels always appear as men, are you really suggesting the creator is unfair? No such word.
---larry on 5/23/09


Part 1

Anne,
I believe the specific scripture are to a specific issue. And that iassue was orderly worship of new converts and churches.
If we look at what Jesus himself thought about women.Jesus broke jewish law all the time because of women.
Jesus broke with the common treatment of women back then.
(1)He talked in public to women.
(2)He taught women about religion in public forums and private forums.
(3)He gave women an active role in his ministry.

So who was correct? Jesus or Paul? I say both and that Paul was speaking about a situation. Because Paul always spoke/taught of Spiritual things. But when he spoke of women in this situation, he applies Jewish law and flesh.
---miche3754 on 5/23/09


Continue please!!
What God says.
God says he poured out his Spirit on all flesh!- has no respect of persons- no male/female in Christ's Church. If women can prophecy/lead according to GOD then how can they if Paul says they can't? IT looks like a contridiction.
My overseer says when it looks like this, there's something we are missing because God's word doesn't contridict.
God says YES women can speak/ Paul says NO. I believe Paul is really saying "Woman if you haven't been baptized by HS/don't have the knowledge/gift from God, don't speak." I also believe a woman should have permission from Church council and husband(if she has one).
This is in accord with what BOTH GOD and Paul say.
---miche3754 on 5/23/09


--Anne:

Sister, This is the first time I've ever heard you agree that woman can Pastor unto men in the 6 months that you've been here. Is this the only scripture that convinced you to change your mind on this issue of "women should not teach a man on a one-on-one basis due to possible temptation, and vice versa.---Anne on 5/14/09"?

What exactly is 'AA' teachings'?

Grace Unto You & Peace, Be Multiplied
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/23/09


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Miche~ Dave (of salvation blogs) told me about Acts 18:24-26 when I asked for reference of females being able to preach. He said I'd find the answer I'm seeking there. He's a good teacher of the word.

Hey good buddy, help us on the salvation blogs when you get a chance. Miss ya!
---Anne on 5/22/09


trav - God has promised that He will bless His word as it is expounded from the pulpit as well as elsewhere.

Today you not only have women that are effective ministers but also theologians that write the commentaries as well as make other contributions.

Do you really want to be among those that would hinder the word of God because of your sexist beliefs?
---Lee1538 on 5/22/09


Trav,
my arguement is with YOU! not God's word. You see what you want to see when you read those scripture. I do not see that and neither have the men I have learned from.
It's also very difficult for me to receive something from a man that believes the Bible says NOT to mix colors of the Human race.
You have a tremendous beam in your eye and you speak with a hatred tone.
I know the verses quite well. What you say is not what the HS has revealed to me in scripture. So, again its not GOD I am opposing it's your OPINION of that scripture.
There are way too many that say against your view as opposed to mine.
And glenn before you say anything JESUS says all are equal in him, so that law of husband doesn't exist for women in CHRIST.
---miche3754 on 5/22/09


This woman expounded unto Apollos the way of God more perfectly.
---Anne on 5/22/09

Exactly. Didn't "expound" him in the synagogue or on the street.

They informed him of the things he was missing to help this eloquent bold speaker have credibility in his preaching.
---Trav on 5/22/09


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Act 18:24-26 "Now a certain Jew named APOLLOS, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus.

This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord, was fervent in Spirit and spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord.

So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue.

When Aquila and PRISCILLA heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God MORE accurately.

This woman expounded unto Apollos the way of God more perfectly.
---Anne on 5/22/09


Then PLEASE explain WHY these women are so BLESSED! We have seen God TRULY work in these women's lives.
---miche3754 on 5/21/09

I don't know which women you refer too. GOD does work in womens lives. My mother saved my life in laying my foundation of belief. I'm not dis'ing women. I am saying there is an order. Not Trav's order. GOD's order. The fight is not with me.
If you had undeniable scripture witnessed truths that none of us had ever seen ....speaking of itself to GOD's revelation. You wouldn't be in a defensive position.
Problem is you may muddy up what might be seen clearly.
---Trav on 5/22/09


Act 18:24-26 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, [and] mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord, and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto [them], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Priscilla was participating in the teaching of Apollos. See also Rom 16:3 and 2Ti 4:19.
---Jo_Ann on 5/21/09


John 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

The woman at the well gave her testimony to the village and because of her they believed.

Christ will use whomever He chooses - man or woman. The caution should be: did He call someone to teach or did they just want too so bad that they took it upon themselves.
---Jo_Ann on 5/21/09


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John, 5/13:
The ministry titles in Mathew 23:10-11, Acts 20:28, Phillipians 1:1, 1Timothy 3:1-10, 12-13, Titus 1:7, etc. are masculine nouns, and the use here forces you to refer only to men in these positions of leadership.
Anne, 5/14:
You make an interesting observation. Women shouldn't be violating the scriptural norms! But, people forget the "let the woman learn" in 1Timothy 2:11.
Mikey, 5/14:
Read your own proof texts. For example, There were only men in the upper room, Mark 14:17, Luke 22:14. Paul rebuked the Corinthians for not "serving the Lord" when they permitted women to preach. Probably, she was a prophetess as she was Isaiah's wife, and because of the prophetic names of her children.
---Glenn on 5/21/09


Truth = No blessings can come from denying/evading/changing scripture. If Not truth....then is not Gospel. Gospel = Truth. - trav



Then PLEASE explain WHY these women are so BLESSED! We have seen God TRULY work in these women's lives.
---miche3754 on 5/21/09


Lee1538, 5/13:
The congregants in the Isthmus of Corinth, were predominately Greek, and the 'prejudice', or limits, were given to protect us. 1Timothy 4:1-2 does apply to people who disagree with the scriptural admonition against female Bishops and Deacons
5/14, The "problem in the church" is self explanatory, and it was that women weren't silent.
5/16, What does the curse against Canaan, that was maliciously applied to enslave non Caananites, have to do with God's instruction to separate the function(s) of males and females?
5/20, The tradition was started by God, Genesis to Revelations. Paul was opposed to slavery, 1Corinthians 7:21, Philemon 10-21.
---Glenn on 5/21/09


1/2
Genesis 3:16 (4:7), Deuteronomy 22:5, 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38), and 1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15) say no.
God directed these men to write the cited verses, 2Timothy 3:16. If you believe that there are verses in conflict with the above, you are in error, Numbers 23:19, Job 40:8, Romans 3:3-4, 1Corinthians 2:14-16.
p.s. Zephaniah 3:2, 1Corinthians 3:1-3, 2Corinthians 11:3 (Galatians 6:7), 2Timothy 3:7, 4:3-4, Hebrews 5:11, 13-14, 6:1-3, 1Peter 2:1-2.
---Glenn on 5/21/09


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2/2
False argument 1: These verses concern someone else, at another time and place. 1Corinthians 11:16 says "we have no such custom, neither the churches of God". See 3-15. 14:37-38, "acknowledge... the commandments of the Lord". In 1Timothy 2:13-14, when Paul refers to the fall (Genesis 3), he is applying 2:8-12 to all the descendants of Adam and Eve.
False argument 2: These regulations are invalid because there are women doing those jobs. That is the same argument that says Biblical rules against fornication are suspended because many people are proponents of the same.
False argument 3: Genesis 3:1-6, The serpent says "Yea, hath God said". Will you submit to God, or to Satan?
---Glenn on 5/21/09


Absolutely. Of course a woman can be a pastor.
---amand6348 on 5/21/09


If a woman is serving GOD through being a pastor, she certainly does have the ultimate dance partner leading her- GOD.
Please rethink your analogy.

And don't say God says because we all know paul was addressing an issue to a specific people.
---miche3754 on 5/21/09
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Woe be unto pastors that destroy and scatter sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:1-3

Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:1-3

Pauls Specific people: women. Would apply especially to "outlaws"
---Trav on 5/21/09


Trav you are addressing something I was not even talking about.
I said we are hypocrits if we don't do ALL of it.
The WORD says a man should be the husband of ONE wife and be in control of his house hold. That a woman has to have a covering over her head and that she is saved through child birth, TOO. DO you obey ALL of these guidlines?
Also, If a woman is serving GOD through being a pastor, she certainly does have the ultimate dance partner leading her- GOD.
Please rethink your analogy.
Thanks and God bless!

And don't say God says because we all know paul was addressing an issue to a specific people.
---miche3754 on 5/21/09


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trav - women pastors are here to stay and God is continuing to bless His word as it comes from the pulpit. So you should get used to it and begin to realize that the interpretation held by sexist is wrong.
---Lee1538 on 5/16/09

Truth = No blessings can come from denying/evading/changing scripture. If Not truth....then is not Gospel. Gospel = Truth.

A scripturally unsupported statement like yours above does not make "gospel". Rather the opposite.
This is one of your pet defenses. The untold reason is uni-sex speculative.....but, does not take away the fact that you uphold an "unsupported" position scripturally. In plain English..you work against scripture/truth/GOD instead of for.
---Trav on 5/21/09


Truth. Not very popular. Evidently it never has been. Some may want to enhance these a little for their pet defense.

Do they not err that devise evil? but mercy and truth shall be to them that devise good.
Proverbs 14:22

He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Proverbs 12:16-18

Proverbs 12:19
The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.

Proverbs 14:22
Do they not err that devise evil? but mercy and truth shall be to them that devise good.

Proverbs 16:6
By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.
---Trav on 5/21/09


My church has a female pastor. She and her husband are both ordained. She is way more gifted than he is. However, I feel the woman is the heart of the church, but men are the strength. I've never seen a healthy growing church that was dominated by women. I believe women have a voice in the church. The first message of the ressurection of Christ was delivered by a women. I believe women can be evangelists, missionaries, Junior pastors, Elders, Deacons anything, but the church should have a Senior male pastor to lead and be there for the men of the church.
---cassy on 5/21/09


You can't say it isn't right for a woman to preach/teach and turn around and say it's okay for a man. That is hypocrisy.
---miche3754 on 5/16/09

Dancing....one leading....one following.
Dancing lesson.
1.GOD made the dance Floor.
2.GOD made the dance partners.
3.GOD made the dance rules.
4.GOD placed rules in effect.

Dance is beautiful when done correctly with passion within the rules.

Unto the woman he said, ....., and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Genesis 3:15-17
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:10-12

You are Dancing SoLo.....allowing you to lead it's true....Your fight is with rule maker....not me.
---Trav on 5/21/09


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Lee ... You put it very well
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/21/09


Carla,
I was wondering what you are trying to say in your last blog post.

Can you please clarify?
Thanks and God bless!

Lee, I am inclined to agree with your last post even though I may get reemed for it.
---miche3754 on 5/21/09


Like our Roman Catholic brethren, it is simply a matter more of tradition than anything else that men were the dominant pastors of the churches. However, we do find leadership among women in the church as well as in other professions.

Paul merely opertated within the social structure of his day much like his acceptance of slavery, however, it is more likely he had some problem in view when he wrote that women should be silent in the church. At least that is the position held by one of my study bibles.
---Lee1538 on 5/20/09


Once while witnessing to a Catholic friend I showed him where the Bible says "not of works" to which he replied, I still believe it is works. He readily admitted that the Catholic teaching is swallowed up in works. He clearly read the Bible yet he said I still believe it's of works. I point this out as comparable to these women who want to be pastors. They know what the Bible says but they still believe that women can be Pastors. The blind leading the blind?
---mima on 5/20/09


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Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us],

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace,
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
---Carla3939 on 5/20/09


trav - women pastors are here to stay and God is continuing to bless His word as it comes from the pulpit. So you should get used to it and begin to realize that the interpretation held by sexist is wrong.

Many of these same mindless people were from that denomination that believe African Americans were the descendents of the sons of Ham and that God willed them to be slaves.
---Lee1538 on 5/16/09


trav,
the enemy knows Gods word as well as we do and yes, he will use it to make us THINK we are right.
you prove through your insults on this particular blog. You are always saying men should stand up and be men, then be one and stop insulting. Follow the example of Christ like you should.
How am I misinterpreting the scripture that says right along with women NOT being allowed certain ministries in the Body of Christ that MEN also have guidlines they must meet to minister?
If we are going to uphold all scripture in this manner then it should be. No cherry picking.
You can't say it isn't right for a woman to preach/teach and turn around and say it's okay for a man. That is hypocrisy.
---miche3754 on 5/16/09


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