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Pro-Choice And Still A Christian

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Catherine, I don't understand your last comment to me. Was that a prophetic revelation or just your own observation? You said that I was arguing with myself. How so? Which "good old days" are you missing? I want to be sure of what you meant before I answered. YAH Bless.
---Gordon on 2/15/08


GOD HATES ALL SIN, whether BIG or "small". But, not all sins bring on the same degree of consequences. Some bring on worse effects than others. GOD will judge each sin according to it's nature and according to how the sin hurt HIM, the sinner and other people involved. ALL sin is evil and rotten before GOD. Hell has different "degrees" of torment. The Damned suffer according to their own sins. But, even the "least tormented" in Hell is tormented beyond adequate description.
---Gordon on 2/15/08


check out "The Silent Scream" video.
Now the whole world can see the truth!
Where a child in the womb opens his mouth in a obvious attempt to scream for help! this is the silent scream of a child threatened imminently by extinction. The Silent Scream web site, which features the film.
---lisa on 2/14/08


You can either be hot or cold. You can either serve God or the devil. You can NOT be pro-choice and be a Christian. God calls abortion murder and hates the shedding of innocent blood. If you are pro-choice then you serve the devil.
---Leslie on 2/13/08


Ask yourself if murdering your unborn child is pleasing to God - would He approve? I think not therefore if it is not pleasing to God who created that very life, then it is wrong,unacceptable and definately a sin and no you cannot call yourself a follower of Christ if you commit premeditated murderand think it is right.
---Cheryl on 2/13/08




NurseRobert, All sin is sin to GOD. But, not all sins are equal in severity and consequences. Some people do not grasp or understand that GOD has REAL FEELINGS. We act like He doesn't "feel" sadness or hurt or grief like we do. But, we were made in GOD's Image, not the other way around. We have feelings that CAME FROM GOD. It's just that WE use them incorrectly. GOD GRIEVES that people are going to Hell, but He HAS to leave the Choice to be Saved or remain in sin to us. We have free-will.
---Gordon on 2/13/08


Abortion is a sin. Adultery, murder,lying, gossiping, theft and slander are likewise.

NONE of these keep the repentant sinner from heaven.

However, it is a legitimate issue to question those who abet those sins, for they are complicit in the act itself. Nevertheless, those with faulty theology, and "support" the "right to murder an unborn" do not loose salvation for their stance.

Support life, pray for sinners of all sorts.
---Observer on 2/13/08


#1 Let us not hide the murdering of a child behind the politically correct euphemism of \\\"pro-choice\\\" as pro-choice is infanticide. If it is right to murder a child in the womb, why not 1 second after it is delivered? Or 10, or a day, or a week? Come now let us reason together - read the OT and see what God thought about Israel murdering their children. What is the difference? A few hours maybe?
---ShaunT on 2/12/08


#2 And to those who have through the sin that stains us all terminated the life of their child, yes, there truly is forgiveness in Jesus Christ for he forgives all sin and will set you free from the guilt. Yet let us heed his words spoken to the woman caught in adultery where he told her \\\'go and sin no more.\\\'
---ShaunT on 2/12/08


the bigger question is why is it right to take an unborn baby

what if you have a child say around 3, 5, 10 years of age you decide to take that child out (abort it/kill it) all because of the same reasons you would have aborted it if it were in the womb

why not just take it's life

oh thats right you can't because the laws of the land say you can't

funny how man can contradict himself and ignore God
---Rhonda on 2/12/08




God doesn't differentiate between sins

man does

the laws of the land MAKE abortion OKAY

because mankind reasoned it's ok to take the life of an unborn baby if you already have too many ..or you cannot care for one ..or you are not married ...or whatever other reasons man deems is right in his own mind
---Rhonda on 2/12/08


Gordon, does God differentiate between sins?
---NurseRobert on 2/12/08


Gordon You funny. You are arguing with yourself. I never thought that I would miss the old days but I do. Understand?
---catherine on 2/12/08


NurseRobert, You're putting "eating pork" on the same level as MURDERING A BABY?! You certainly did when you responded as you did. The decision to kill a human baby is a far more serious and important matter than whether or not to eat pig meat. We Saints are no longer under the 613 plus Mosaic laws ( dietary laws, circumcision, etc.) But, we are to follow the 10 Moral Laws of Love as outlined in the 10 Commandments. THOU SHALT NOT KILL. Aborting a little unborn baby is KILLING.
---Gordon on 2/12/08


Gordon, you said: No, you cannot be Pro-Choice and Christian.

Can you tell a "white" lie and be a Christian?
Can you eat pork and be a Christian?
Can you break any of the commandments and be a Christian?

Who are you to decide who is a Christian and who isn't?
---NurseRobert on 2/12/08


No, you cannot be Pro-Choice and Christian. Not without being BACKSLIDDEN. Abortion is MURDER. Especially murder of the Innocents! If a Christian was filled with the Holy Spirit, She would convict that person of the ERROR of abortion. And if the Christian was REALLY following the LORD, they would heed the conviction and AGREE that abortion is WRONG.
---Gordon on 2/11/08


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I would think after they were saved they would no longer be pro choice.As a matter of fact I know a young woman who had an abortion before she was saved and she said she would never have one again.She didn't realize it was wrong until she was born again.
---shirley on 2/10/08


The only way you can be a Christian is to be born again, regenerated from darkness to light, translated,and receive power to be his witness. That witness is a life that is not like the world and a mind that obeys and agrees with Gods word. In John 15 Jesus tells you if his word is not living in you God will not hear you. Jesus will not abide in those who do not take up their cross and those looking back to the world and it's ideas agreeing with them are not fit for God's kingdom.
---exzucuh on 2/10/08


Its a curiosity to me why one can kill their child legally.
Yet if a pregnant woman is in a car accident and that results in the death of her baby, the person who caused the accident can be tried for murder of the unborn child. This is a mixed up world!
---NVBarbara on 2/10/08


I too prefer not to mingle in this debate as pro-choice is just a fluffed-up smooth way of saying someone chose to end someone else's life ...we should all bow down to God and thank him everyday that our very own mothers chose to not exterminate our lives or we wouldn't be here to even debate this issue ...I choose not to condemn those who have aborted especially weighing in societies reasoning on their choices ...but I ask how is it our society has brainwashed so many into believing it's a choice???
---Rhonda on 2/8/08


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I am sure good Christian people will choose to serve God to help these unwanted babies that would be given life ---lisa on 1/31/08

Reminds me of a story....

Cont..
---NurseRobert on 1/31/08


This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
---NurseRobert on 1/31/08


We all have done and are still doing immoral and illegal things everyday. Why harp on one subject and try to bleed it to death? There are many laws we do not have to go by. They legalized gays living together here in Texas but I will never do that myself. It does not apply to me. Get my point. Legalized abortion does not mean Christians have to do it. But it could be the right thing to do for someone who was raped and a pregnancy was forced upon her.
---Robyn on 1/31/08


It seems like most of the people on this thread are obsessing with the Old-testament attitude of "Somebody sinned - whose fault is it, so we can smite them?" rather than the New-testament attitude of "Somebody's in bondage - how can we free them, so that the bondage is unnecessary?"
---StrongAxe on 1/31/08


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It is better for the child to be born...and deal with the outcome however it must be done...then it is to kill the babies and not even give them a chance or us a chance to help them as a society.
I am sure good Christian people will choose to serve God to help these unwanted babies that would be given life, instead of a death sentence!
---lisa on 1/31/08


Great points, NurseRobert--very very good.
---Mary on 1/30/08


I usually stay out of the ProLife/ProChoice debate, but, I have to ask...

I wave my Magic wand (oh no!!! Magic!!! sinner!!! - there I said it so you don't have to.) Abortions are no longer legal in this country.

So, then....
1. What are you going to do about the illegal abortions?
2. What are you going to do about the unwanted babies?
(Cont)
---NurseRobert on 1/30/08


(Cont) 3. What are you going to do to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies?
4. Which one of you is going to adopt these children, and I'm not talking about the perfect , newborn babies, that everyone wants, but the outcast babies that are born to crackheads, prostitues, social outcasts. Which one of you HAS adopted one of these?
5. What are we going to do with the thousands of older children still in foster care or an orphanage?
(Cont)
---NurseRobert on 1/30/08


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I know a lot of you are thinking "these people need JESUS!!" and I agree, but that doesn't change the situation we are in HERE and NOW.

And don't bother with the response that "well, that doesn't mean we should kill the unborn" because that doesn't change what is going on in the here and now.


Ideas anyone??
---NurseRobert on 1/30/08


My point, if abortion is made illegal, what should the law be for women who have them? and the docters who preform them? All I want is a straight answer from anyone.
---MikeM on 1/29/08


Mike,

What is your point?
We agree that abortion is immoral.
We agree that abortion is the murder of an innocent.
We agree that it is legal in the US.

Do you seek to punish a woman for doing an immoral, but legal act?
---Observer on 1/29/08


The Supreme Court in the Dred Scott decision declared that slaves were non-persons. The Supreme Court in the Roe v Wade decision that unborn babies were non-persons. The Constitution says that all were created equal.
---Ktisophilos on 1/28/08


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MikeM:

Even worse, how about enforcing a law about idolatry?

You would need hidden microphones in every room to make sure people don't pray "inappropriately" (and, once the technology becomes available (and they're working on it), thought detectors to make sure people don't "think inappropriately" either).
---StrongAxe on 1/26/08


Love is not love if it is forced.This is so true.God gave us the freewill to love or reject him.That does not mean we should condone the free choice of premeditated murder of unborn babies.Yes,we have free choice to sin.And we have free choice to burn in hell too.Jesus Christ would never be "pro-choice"pr0-murder.
---Judy on 1/25/08


Observer- "In the US, abortion is "constitutionally protected". Thus the immoral act is legal" At one time slavery was a protected act, those who freed slaves were law breakers. Is there a seperation between 'legal murder, and 'moral' murder?

(I am 100% against abortion, just not for the same reasons)
---MikeM on 1/24/08


Emcee-"Usually used to cover up another illegal act, called fornication or adultery"

If fornication is an illegal act, then how would a law against it be enforced? Such a draconian law would require hidden cameras just about everywhere.
---MikeM on 1/24/08


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Everyone here has given excellant reason I wouldn't have thought of.
The only thing I have to add is that abortion appears to be a devilish self-centered spirit of antichrist.
Women in the Bible died giving birth. They gave the ultimate as to what the Lord said about giving your life for another.
Frank
---Frank on 1/24/08


There is no such thing as PRO-Choice.Its a manipulation of words to cover an illegal henious deed called MURDER.Usually used to cover up another illegal act, called fornication or adultery.Lying acts cannot be covered. Truth prevails.
---Emcee on 1/24/08


10 Biblical reasons exist: showing abortion is wrong. you should type this in your search bar and read them.Luke1, 36 and 41, we are told that Elisabeth conceived a "son" and that the "babe" leaped in her womb. God does not say that a "fetus" leaped in her womb! He says THE BABE leaped. exact same word God uses to describe Christ in the manger AFTER He is born (Luke 2:12, 16). In God eyes, unborn babes and a newborn babe are the same. They are both living human beings!
---lisa on 1/24/08


Job 3:16: "Or as an hidden untimely birth I had not been, as infants which never saw light." Did you see that? Job referred to unborn children as INFANTS. Not fetuses! Not masses of tissue! INFANTS! In God's eyes, an unborn child is a living human baby. God never says once that an unborn child is anything less than a human being.
---lisa on 1/24/08


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David said in Psalm 51:5, "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." He did not say that a fetus was shapen in iniquity and conceived in iniquity. David, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said that HE was conceived. David, not a blob of tissue, was conceived.
---lisa on 1/24/08


Denise, A-men.
---Eloy on 1/24/08


.observer, what is "so-called" legal to man, may be illegal to God. That is the difference between man and God, God commands "Kill not, it is unlawful', but man says, "kill it is legal in this state". That is the state of sin and death, but not the state of right and life. Who will you obey, man or God? Man will damn you, but God will bless. Thank God Mary did not abort Jesus, because he was illegitimate, though man would have desired such.
---Eloy on 1/24/08


Thou shalt not kill. If you kill people you are not a Christian, nor a good Jew. People are people from the time of conception in the mother's womb. If a pregnancy is life-threatening, then an argument could be made that to save a life, an abortion had to be carried out. That would be rare indeed.
---frances on 1/23/08


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Though God has a moral law, He is still pro-choice. Love (the true definition of God's moral law) can never be compulsory or it ceases to be love. If God gives us free choice, shouldn't we also give it to others? That is not to say that we agree with another's choice but we are to do to other's what we would want to be done to us. How many of us want another's beliefs forced upon us?
---robin8683 on 1/23/08


Hi, I agree that abortion is an ugly sin. But today I walked by a "Women In Black" (against the war)and I was sooo moved. One guy held a poster showing small faces of at least 3000 of our American finest dead now! If you're going to protest against abortion, how about protesting all the big brothers and sons and fathers being killed for Bush's war? And most are not even old enough to be fathers. :*(
---Mary on 1/23/08


pro-choice is the devils lie...tricking you.
Calling evil good is a sin.
there are 10 biblical reason why Abortion is wrong..you should look it up on line..I did.
The bible is valid.
---lisa on 1/23/08


The use of the term prochoice and Christian, in my opinion, is an oxymoron. (To be a christian is to be Christ like.) Psalm 139:13 says For you created my most inner being, you knit me together in my mother's womb. Pro choice usually takes the stance that a fetus is not a human life. God breathed the breath into human kind, he formed us in our mother's womb. That being said, to be a christian you have to believe ALL the words of God, not pick and chose the ones that you like.
---Denise on 1/23/08


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Andrea::In this instance Your heart cries out like a true Mother "Save My Baby"God Bless you.
---Emcee on 1/23/08


.

If abortion is murder, then what do we do whith those who have/perform them? 6.# ---MikeM on 1/23/08

For about the same # of times, if an immoral act is legal, nothing can be done about it.

If Utah would legalize bigamy (hypothetically) could you be prosecuted in Arizona because you are a bigamist who lives and works in Utah?

In the US, abortion is "constitutionally protected". Thus the immoral act is legal.
---Observer on 1/23/08


If abortion is murder, then what do we do whith those who have/perform them? 6.#
---MikeM on 1/23/08


No! Do you mean a true Christian?
---catherine on 1/22/08


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Murder of the unborn (abortion) is nothing but the ultimate Hate Crime and we being Christians are told that the greatest gift is Love.How can we truly love when we want to kill our unborn children?
---colupy on 1/22/08


NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO ...


Pro-choice = pro-death/pro-abort

You can not be a Christian and be
pro-baby killer
---Andrea on 1/22/08


Americans live in a civil democracy, not a republic.
---Eloy on 1/21/08


MikeM, if millions of unborn babies hadn't been butchered because of the raw judicial power of Roe v Wade, there would have been many more workers, so a stronger economy, so more taxes.

And it wouldn't take too many prosecutions of abortionists to sharply curtail the practice.
---Ktisophilos on 1/21/08


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So Mark, someone who thinks that slave-owners should have the right to choose to own slaves is merely pro-choice, not pro=slavery? Plenty of people were "personally opposed, but ..." to slavery as well, which is as daft as being "personally opposed, but ..." to abortion.
---Ktisophilos on 1/21/08


"pro choice" and "pro abortion" are NOT the same. Pro-abortion people are necessarily pro-choice, but the reverse is not necessarily true.

Consider an analogy:

I think smoking is a horrible habit, butI do not believe the government should make it illegal. Thus, with regards to smoking, I am "pro-choice" but "anti-smoking".

There are many people who are against abortion, but believe it should be up to the individual, rather than the government.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/08


STILL LOUSY LOGIC!-?

If children were being killed in say a 'camp'would common people allow it, legal or not? 'legalized infanticide' is semantics-if its murder then those using a rhetoric that includes abortion AS murder would treat it as such, not wave signs and cry.

5# If Abortion is murder, what do we do with murderers?
---MikeM on 1/21/08


How can anyone claim to be Christian but nonetheless approve of the slaughter of defenceless unborn children?

Is that the way our Lord would have us treat his creations, created in His image?
---Warwick on 1/21/08


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STILL LOUSY LOGIC!

We live in a REPUBLIC, not a theocracy. We have to deal with the consequences of the decisions of our elected judges and law makers.

Simply put, abortion is legalized infanticide. Because it is legal, it is not a crime, so jail in unnecessary. Nevertheless, it remains murder.
---Observer on 1/21/08


Observer, That is clear logic, if abortion is murder, than what do we do with murderers?? At least Kitso comes 'close' to answering my question by saying they should be 'punished severely.' I am not postulating a 'false choice' Enforcing abortion as murder is the end of the republic. The logistics demand it!
---MikeM on 1/11/08


Mike M Now if aboution is indeed murder, are you willing to pay massive taxes to support a greatly increased police, court system to prosecute those who have/perform aboutions(sic)? Are you willing to execute 10,000 of thousands of women, literally giving up sustaining a republic to enforce such laws?

Man what lousy logic!!

You are trying to force a false choice, and everyone knows that it does not exist as you postulate.
---Observer on 1/10/08


MikeMocker: there are plenty of things that the bloated government should not be involved with. But protecting the life of its citizens from criminals inside the country and hostile forces outside is a fundamental role. So abortionists should be punished severely. They have no excuse--they can see for themselves that what they are cutting up is a human being.
---Ktisophilos on 1/5/08


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If we are to stand by God..and be one Nation under God. Then we are to uphold God's commands.
One of which clearly states "Thous shall not Kill" clearly that does need to be upheld by the law in all respect!
Life inside the womb and well as outside the womb.
As a Nation under God, yes our government has a duty and obligation to protect all human life. Who else will fight for these vulnerable babies in the womb or out? Cause can't fight for themselves? God chose us to protect them.
---Lisa on 8/17/07


ktisophilos gave a straight answer! that is rare among fundamentalist, and impressive. Now if aboution is indeed murder, are you willing to pay massive taxes to support a greatly increased police, court system to prosecute those who have/perform aboutions? Are you willing to execute 10,000 of thousands of women, literally giving up sustaining a republic to enforce such laws?
---MikeM on 8/17/07


I believe you can. because god said the thing god would not forgive is blastfemin the holy ghost
I don't agree with killing gods angel's.
there3396
---Theresa on 8/15/07


"Pro-choice" is such a deceptive term. Who wouldn't say they are for making choices? It is a deceptive term used to vilify opponents of abortion and make them seem like they are against something good, and that abortion itself is something good. Surely you all see this. Only people with dirty secrets to hide practice this kind of deception. The children of God need to stand bold in the face of these attacks, and define the huge chasm that exists between God's people and their enemies.
---Jim on 8/15/07


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"I am pro-life, however, I believe an abortion can be performed in extreme cases. ie the lives of both mother and child are in danger." Katie

In other words, this person obeys God as long as there is no risk. If it becomes really important, they cease to trust God and do what they think is best. Unfortunately, a great many are "fair weather believers" like this.

I am stunned that they unabashedly admit it like this.
---Jim on 8/15/07


The early feminists had no trouble denouncing abortion as "child murder". And decent doctors had no compunction about calling abortionists "murderers". So the abortionists should be convicted of murder if abortion becomes illegal again.
---ktisophilos on 8/13/07


Mark, by your own definition Pro-Choice is Pro-Abortion - after all what did you think that the "choice" was? No one was fighting for the right to NOT have an abortion, although that is coming.

Either there is a law against abortion, or we have abortion. That was the extent of Government interference at the time of Roe V. Wade. Roe has since changed her mind on the matter and regrets her decision. Norma McCorvey (Roe) now speaks on behalf of the Pro-Life cause.
---lorra8574 on 8/12/07


pro-choice = pro-abortion.
Drugs are illegal bc they hurt your body and the country's. Speeding is illegal -same reason.
Who will protect the unborn, do you realize under the guise of choice they slit a childs throat in the mother's birth canal to abort a baby. If you did that they would call you a murderer.
---Andrea on 8/12/07


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I have been asking the same question about abortion for years, and NEVER have been given a straight answer. Its a simple question, but NO Christian can seem to be able to answer it. If abortion is made illegal again, what should the legal penalty be for those who have/perform them?
---MikeM on 8/12/07


Mark,

Very true, but we do not HAVE to choose to have an abortion. The law doesnt really bother me one way or the other becuase once again, it is a question with the heart. So many people get so upset with this law, but if you dont want an abortion, you do not HAVE to have one. And yes, God forbid it becomes like China, where choice IS NOT an option. But in the same light, when it was illegal, it did not stop abortions as well.

Blessings!
---LisaB on 8/12/07


Lisa: I DO choose life. I am NOT pro-abortion. I was merely explainig that the term "pro-choice" does not have the same meaning as "pro-abortion". Pro-abortion is someone who thinks abortion is a good idea. Pro-choice is someone who thinks that people should have the right to make the choice on their own, rather than having it imposed upon them by the government.
---Mark on 8/12/07


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