God and God alone chooses to whom he will offer Irresistible Grace and Salvation. It has nothing to do with any action or inaction on the part of the individual. Any adjectives appended to Christian are insignificant for the purposes of salvation.
---Phil_the_Elder on 4/25/08|
LOL--good point, Yoshin :)
---Mary on 8/16/07|
Jesus said Everyone that says Lord, Lord will not be saved. We always read that and say that we are glad he is talking about the other guy.
---yoshin on 8/15/07|
Andrea: I do not support abortion. I support the social programs that feed, house and educate the children born into poverty. I am pro-life for the kids that are born into poverty. That is why I teach in an urban school district. I am also a part time social worker. I work in the programs that the conservatives are constantly cutting the funding of. That is why I am a Democrat.
---Trish9863 on 8/12/07|
Andrea ... We have the same conflicts in the UK.
There are supporters of abortion in all parties, and the present government, who has supposedly great social concern, is proposing to allow gambling adverts on the TV.
---alan_of_UK on 8/12/07|
Pardon...I wasn't writing a new commandment -its my opinion - I don't believe the Dem agenda is anything but an agenda of death - to the unborn and spiritually.
That does not make the Republicans great. Most of them would throw the conservatives under a bus if it got them elected. So your right in it is not just DEM/REP. But how do you support abortion - gay marriage- liberal judges - I support gun control. I just can't get the abortion thing - they try not to let any Dem run on a pro-life platform.
---Andrea on 8/11/07|
Andrea: I am a born again, blood bought, believer in Jesus Christ, and I am also a liberal Democrat. Please do not say that a liberal Christian cannot be saved, because that is a bold faced lie.
---Trish9863 on 8/11/07|
I should stick with my original NO! Honestly I hate being political. I don't care Dem/Rep whoever. Dems have an anti-christian stand.
Pro- abort late term too
Pro-gay marriage (with instructions on how to for 5th & 6th graders - happening in Conn and NJ now)
prayer & 10 commandments out of schools
$$ for every socialist cause that will buy them a vote.
Yeah, the Republicans are liars and thieves but at least they sell their souls to the right-to-lifers.
---Andrea on 8/10/07|
Jerry, did I hit a nerve? My faith lies in nothing but Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Please find the phrase "repent of sin" in the bible before you try to use it on me and look up the GREEK meaning for the word "repent." I have enough "FAITH" to KNOW that my past, present, and future sins are ALREADY forgiven. You attack me for not being the judge of man. So you WERE thinking badly of me. The good news is: if you trust in Jesus as He asked us to, you're already forgiven.
---faith on 7/24/07|
ONLY Spirit filled Christians are saved.
Liberal Christianity = no unified set of beliefs - often not in agreement with old beliefs.
Conservative Christianity = opposite of Liberal
Since we should influence politics to serve our Master, both Liberals & Conservatives are often unfaithful to God, by trusting that men have solutions.
Jer 17:5 Thus said the LORD, Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from the LORD.
---a_servant on 7/21/07|
In order not to offend you Jerry let me say this a different way. I consider myself a liar, I consider myself a thief, and according to Matthew 5:22 I am guilty of killing. But I'm certain that I have been forgiven and will go to heaven!!! I hope this helps clarify what I'm trying to say.
---Mime on 7/21/07|
Good point, Jack! :) Very, very good point! :)
---Mary on 7/20/07|
Is there any use in pointing out that the original and proper meaning of "liberal" is "generous"?
However, the main trouble is associating Christianity with a given political agenda, depsite the fact that Jesus said, "My Kingdom is NOT of this world."
---Jack on 7/20/07|
They are about as saved as anyone else.
---catherine on 7/20/07|
faith: I spoke of the Bible's condemnation of sin, and you respond with allegations of my personal misconduct and insinuation that I can "clean myself up" for heaven. If you were true to your name, you would have enough "faith" to know that Jesus has sufficient power to not only forgive us of past sins, but to empower us to keep from sinning in the future. Liberals do not want to repent of [some of] their sins - they would rather justify them.
---jerry6593 on 7/20/07|
Mima: What is your point? See response to faith.
---jerry6593 on 7/20/07|
Liberal policies are based on envy and stealing from the so-called rich. Many of them are also murderous and adulterous (e.g. support for gay marriage).
But many Christians are saved through blessed inconsistency. They may not have worked through the implications of liberal policies, and (at least in the case of welfare) be motivated by compassion, however misguided.
---Ktisophilos on 7/19/07|
To ---jerry6953 To your own self be true. Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen anything in your life? Have you ever hated anyone without cause? You and you alone know the answers, however having lived 70 years I know something about mankind.
---Mima on 7/19/07|
in this day and time we define liberals as being domocrat, and rebublicians conserative. the question is do you support the party that rewards lazyiness, and is for abortion on demand, and supports the homesexual agenda and that says that christian values is not revelant for this day and time? what is your convictions?
---wayne on 7/19/07|
I certainly hope that you never speak gossip, overeat, ever hated someone, etc. Sinners do not qualify themselves for Salvation. You cannot "clean" yourself up enough to be righteous enough to enter Heaven. Only God can do that through Jesus. And that is for EVERYONE. Not just "select" people that haven't done "certain" sins. God will not look at ANY sin. Including bad thoughts you may have of me right now.
---faith on 7/19/07|
Faith: Check your Bible. Not everyone is going to make it to heaven. Certainly not liars, thieves and murderers!
---jerry6593 on 7/19/07|
I was not aware that Salvation did not apply to certain people.
---faith on 7/18/07|
"One can be saved and be liberal politically." Really? Don't political liberals believe in secular humanism, abortion over abstinance, evolution rather than creation, and theft of tax revenues from the hard working to reward the lazy, etc., etc.? My Bible says that liars, murderers and thieves will not be saved.
---jerry6593 on 7/17/07|
The Lord Jesus Christ is the most liberal person to ever. You cannot be more generous or liberal than willing to die for another's sins. And that is exactly what the Lord Jesus Christ did for you and me. Let us honor and praise His holy name!!!
---mima on 7/17/07|
Thanx Jerry. Indeed, liberals can be Pharisaic, because like them they add traditions of man to the word of God. Liberal theology adds current intellectual fads to Scripture, and like the Pharisees, make it void.
In WW1, the original German theological liberals like Harnack supported Kaiser and the war. Now, liberals support anything in lunchrooms of humanities faculties or Democratic National Convention.
Nothing has changed in essence, just the fad liberals support.
---Ktisophilos on 7/17/07|
God is a hot liberal, but God is also the God of order. Being liberal connotes liberty or expressing your faith freely, but excessive liberality may trespass the standards and precepts that God has established in his New Testament. Being conservative connotes restraint and reluctance to express your faith freely, but excessive conservatism will quench the Spirit which leaves the nonparticipating one separated from God's life.
---Eloy on 7/17/07|
Well, since salvation depends on your acceptance of Christ as the only sacrfice for sins, and it has nothing to do with works (or lack thereof) then anyone can be saved. It's a beautiful thing that God doesn't judge us once we are saved the way that we christians judge each other.
---faith on 7/17/07|
quit pigeon holing people. Titles are just titles. If a person accepts Jesus as their lord and savior and asks for forgiveness from their sins and desire to walk with God they are saved. End of story. If they are pretending on the outside and dont mean it on the inside then only GOD knows they are phoney. Leave the judgement up to GOD who knows what he is talking about.
---jay on 7/16/07|
Whew, Andrea! :O Don't beat around the bush dear! :/ Sorry, but liberals can indeed be Christians--I am one and I am no less (or more) Christian than my conservative brothers and sisters in the Lord.
---Mary on 7/16/07|
the answer is "NO".
---Andrea on 7/16/07|
Kitso: I really enjoy your insights. Have you ever noticed that liberal vs. conservative Christians today exactly mimic the Sadducees and Pharisees of Christ's day? I've noticed that liberals talk a lot about love, but rarely show it in any meaningful way. Conservatives tend to be doctrinally correct but seem to occasionally gravitate toward "Christianity plus."
---jerry6593 on 7/16/07|
Gresham Machen wrote Christianity and Liberalism over 80 years ago, and it's still excellent. He pointed out that "Liberal Christianity" is not Christianity at all but a totally different religion.
But political liberalism is another matter. It is inconsistent with Christian teachings, but some Christians are saved through "blessed inconsistency". Also, C.S. Lewis warned of the danger of "Christianity plus" whether conservatism, social gospel or whatever.
---Ktisophilos on 7/15/07|
Conservative Christians accept the bible as written and work to further the kingdom of God.
Liberal Christians spend a lot of time complaining about conservative Christians, working for causes contrary to the Word and lecturing everybody about tolerance in an effort to justify their personal viewpoints which are often at odds with Biblical principals.
---ralph7477 on 7/14/07|
If a Person has been chosen by God to spend Eternity with Him, this Person will go to heaven, if this person keeps obeying God.
---catherine on 7/14/07|
Talking strictly politics or religion?
If you liberally believe in witchcraft (simple or complex) and believe the Holy Spirit is pleased with that, you're dead wrong. You may be able to operate in the gifts of God, without repentence, because God does not take them away - but to pacify your interests in witchcraft or other perversions of God's Word, it's possible God will say, depart from me, I never knew you.
You won't know until you die, then it will be too late.
---Vince on 7/14/07|
There are two types of Liberal. One is liberal politically. The other is liberal theologically. One can be saved and be liberal politically.
---Madison1101 on 7/14/07|
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