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Who Is The Great Whore

Who is the Great Whore who sits upon many waters in Revelation 17:1?

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Johannes:

I know you feel guilt right now because, you know what I told you is the truth, you had no business prying your nose into a conversation when you don't know all the facts. However, I will not accept the guilt you are trying to place on me.

I never said you don't belong at this site, that is your own words.
---Marcia on 8/25/07


Marcia Thank you for your Christ like reply and you are right I have no business on this site.
---Johannes on 8/25/07


[1] "I really wish you would google this term - why associate the mother of Christ with a pagan goddess that is known for holding an infant child.

Why - let our Lord be looked on with such scorn bc they want to elevate Mary (God bless her)?
The worship of a woman was incorporated to appease the pagan masses.
It has 'inadvertently' corrupted many well meaning scripturally illiterate RCCs" - Andrea

Do you have any proof of your assertions?
---Hans on 8/25/07


[2] You ask why I want to elevate Mary? I honor her because I am an adoptive son of God and therefore, Christ is my brother. If Christ is my brother, then Mary is my mother and I follow the Commandment to honor my father and mother. In John 19:26-27, Our Lord did not give Mary to just St. John but to us all. He said "Woman, behold thy son". This and at the wedding at Cana are the only times he referred to Mary as Woman.
---Hans on 8/25/07


marcia. I dont think I said I didnt undertand Rev. I dont intend to argue with you, fundies cant argue, they must Believe at all costs.Thinking could be dangerous to you...stay safe.
---Sherry on 8/25/07




Alan, thank you for the explanation.
---RitaH on 8/25/07


Sherry:
"a masters degree in theology and biblical studies from a catholic college".

And you still don't understand the book of Revalation. What does that say about you?

There are many cradle catholic's some have college degrees and some don't. What's new!!
---Marcia on 8/25/07


Marcia, few "cradle" or "nominal" Catholics will bother looking at a site like this one. But never fear, there are plenty of Mormon, JW and Pentacostal missionaries are doing an excellent job weeding out the deadwood from the Catholic Church.
---lorra8574 on 8/24/07


Johannes >>>

I think you ought to get the fact straight before you pry you nose into an A and B coversation that clearly has nothing to do with you.

First of all, you assum that I am suggesting that I know everything about Revalation. I clearly never said this. This is one of you arrogant assumptions.
---Marcia on 8/24/07


Johannes >>>Secondly, this conversation between me and Sherry goes beyond the responses you see at this blog. My response has to do with another blog that ask the question " I don't understand revalation".

Thirdly, who care what you think, your opinions me little to me, if you can show me in the Bible where God's says, Marcia know little about Revelation then I start caring about your opinions, if not.

Shut Up and get a life. (in other words, I rebuke you)
---Marcia on 8/24/07




Marcia you stated:
Sherry:
"a masters degree in theology and biblical studies from a catholic college".

And you still don't understand the book of Revalation. What does that say about you?

I say it shows that she is interested in learning and is smart enough to admit she dosn't know everything about the book of Revelation. And if a person says that they know all and understand all is showing how little they know about the Book.
---Johannes on 8/24/07


Sherry:
"a masters degree in theology and biblical studies from a catholic college".

And you still don't understand the book of Revalation. What does that say about you?

There are many cradle catholic's some have college degrees and some don't. What's new!!
---Marcia on 8/23/07


Mary then is Queen of Heaven.
---Hans on 8/22/07
I really wish you would google this term - why associate the mother of Christ with a pagan goddess that is known for holding an infant child.

Why - let our Lord be looked on with such scorn bc they want to elevate Mary (God bless her)?
The worship of a woman was incorporated to appease the pagan masses.
It has "inadvertently" corrupted many well meaning scripturally illiterate RCCs
---Andrea on 8/23/07


and I somewhat agree with Mrs Morgan - we do not know for sure who the Great Whore is - if our own denomination started 1) telling people they can't marry 2) forbidding meats 3) worshiping idols etc etc it could turn out to be "US" then we would have to come out.
---Andrea on 8/23/07


Marcia, Im not a cradle catholic. I have got 98% of a masters degree in theology and biblical studies from a catholic college. I think I understand the bible quite well, thanks so much. Still believe is not fact. I dont confuse the two
---Sherry on 8/23/07


There are three things God does not have, He has no Mother, no father, and no grandchildren. We are all his Children. Yes even Mary, Joesph, and David.

Keep Searching.

Read your Bibles please!!
---Marcia on 8/23/07


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alan_of_UK >>>

I know you. This is not the first time we have disagreed on something. You seem to be a man of integreity who is sincere in witnessing the truth to others and I respect you for that. Consider your advice on not making up lies about non-existent faults, respectfully taken. This is not something I have knowingly done however I will watch in the future more readily.

.
---Marcia on 8/23/07


alan_of_UK >>>

Nevertheless, I will continue to stirr those I attack to seeking God's Words for truth. I see no harm in doing this. It is my style of witnessing and it is very effective. Because it makes people seek God's Word for truth. I have my victims growth and salvation in mind nothing more, and nothing less.
---Marcia on 8/23/07


Marcia & RitaH ... I had not intended to imply that Marciahad borne false witness.
I used the word "you" instead of "these people" to keep down the number of words.
I suppose I should have used the word "one" to show that my comment was not directed at you personally.
But to answer your point about the errors of the RC, it is OK to criticise these, but not to make up lies about non-existent faults
---alan_of_UK on 8/23/07


Lorra

What you call nominal Catholics, I call cradle Catholics. The majority of Catholic's are Cradle Catholics. Never going any further then the Bottle.

I hope all my efforts make Catholic actually pick up a Bible and try to go deeper in Christ. I hope there not afraid of what they will find out.
---Marcia on 8/22/07


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" I have done much study and research and have given sources to support my claims. I have also been a Catholic for the majority of my life. I have been in the system, I know folks who are in the system."

Marcia was a Catholic.
---Crystal on 8/22/07


"I was Mormon, they teach theology like RC, revelation like Mohammed .. will get into heaven if they believe Jesus died for sin AND believe the LDS. Believe me they change doctrine to fit every need, go online see how they changed revelations. Smith said ALL other churches were false apostate. Thats why God gave him the golden plates & Egyptian papyrus 'frauds'. they don't volunteer that info. ---Andrea on 8/4/07 "

Andrea and Marcia are the same person, isn't this weird?
---Crystal on 8/22/07


Have you gone to any of the former RC sites that explain all this?
---Andrea on 8/14/07

But if you are a follower of Christ get on line and look up former Mormons. LDS does not permit you to seek truth.
---Andrea on 8/1/07

Andrea Marcia - Catholic and Mormon, don't you really find your apologetics on line, read up, then adopt a religion for one of your debating names?
I think so. I really don't believe you've been a mormon, and probably not a catholic, either.
---Crystal on 8/22/07


The Great Whore is a unfaithful/disloyal Christian(reprobate/enemy of God), Protestant or Catholic, makes no difference. The Great Whore is disloyal to God's unchanging Truth, will be rejected by that same Truth that they're disloyal to. They refuse the Lord's counsel,despise it,dont know the true meaning of repentance,though they think they do,being full of all pride and hyprocrisy. They dare to hold God's Truth in unrighteousness(half-truths/lies/hypocrisy)(Rom.1:18), wrath is promised to them.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/22/07


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Andrea, if you knew as much about the Catholic Church as you think you do, you would probably cease to remain outside of Her.

In the Davidic Kingdom, the queen was the mother of the king, not the wife. The king may have many wives. So, let's follow along. Jesus is King of Heaven. Mary is his mother. Mary then is Queen of Heaven.
---Hans on 8/22/07


Babylon is a code name for Rome. The Great Whore is Jerusalem, because of it's assistance in the persecution of Christians.
---Hans on 8/22/07


Alan what has Marcia said that is 'dishonest' and 'bearing false witness'. I'm just interested to know because I have only ever once been in a R.C. church and that was way back when I was 5. Apart from what I read of others opinions I know little of them. Can you clarify?
---RitaH on 8/22/07


2) This is why I have such a problem with the Mariology and the title Queen of Heaven.
Why don't they just call her Mother of Jesus. QofH is a pagan term - has been used in many religions with the worship of a mother and her son - its just too bizarre to believe. I don't believe Catholics think that but talk about having the appearance of evil.
i watched a RCC mass today - its beautiful and then they prayed to Mary Queen of Heaven.
---Andrea on 8/22/07


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Alan of UK:

That is your opinion. You have a right to your own opinion. I have done much study and research and have given sources to support my claims. I have also been a Catholic for the majority of my life. I have been in the system, I know folks who are in the system.
---Marcia on 8/22/07


Marcia, I sat down with Mormon missionaries, who initially accused me of idolatry, and explained the Catholic teachings and usage of statues, and while they were not convinced that all Catholics properly understood it, they agreed that neither the Church nor I practiced idolatry.

The only reason that they had gone for so long with such a ridiculous idea was that many of the Catholics they had met before were only nominal Catholics who did not know their faith and could not explain it to them.
---lorra8574 on 8/22/07


Alan of UK:

Alan do u know what the sad thing about it is, they don't have a relationship with God and they don't trust his word for salvation. They believe that certain works must be done in order to obtain salvation. Again you can keep your opinions, while I state the facts.
If is not a sin to exspose the error of the RCC.

God Bless
---Marcia on 8/22/07


Marcia, there is a big difference between honouring the dead in Christ with photos, icons or statues, and making a golden calf (or buddha) and thanking it for doing what God did, and putting it in the place of God.
---lorra8574 on 8/22/07


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lorre I read EZ. 16 - WOW It represents Israel and or the RCC and or the apostate church. Although I disagree with MANY RCC dogmas I really am not prepared to call them the Apostate church.
Unfortunately that title may apply to the Jews or Protestant churches too. Or all of us to some extent are guilty of leaving our first love (Rev 2:4).

The frightening thing for me is the worship of a woman - frequent goddess that infected the Jews.

next-
---Andrea on 8/22/07


Marcia ... It often happens here that someone, in order to undermine the position of another holding an opposing view, will not only argue against what the other person says (which is honest) but make up untruths about that person's beleifs, or about the denomination to which he belongs.
Although many will accept the statements as true, and you may think your case has been advanced by the tactic, it is dishonest, and bearing false witness ... in other words it is sinful.
---alan_of_UK on 8/22/07


alan_of_UK >>>

I agree, this happened to Joesph when Potiphers wife accused him of Rape.

I wouldn't call those who exspose the lies of Purgatory or idol worship false witnesses though.

I would call them truth barrers.
---Marcia on 8/21/07


marcia ... I agree but remember also that hatred and false witness can be an obsession
---alan_of_UK on 8/21/07


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debby3588 >>>

Did you actually read the book of Revalation or just somebodies response on this blog!
---Marcia on 8/21/07


The whore represents all who are a part of Satan's kingdom. It also represents governments that persecute Christians. Goverments have power, and so those of Satan'kingdom use the power of their governments to persecute Christians.
---debby3588 on 8/21/07


alan_of_UK >>

I so agree!!! I had dealt with a person who was obsessed with me not too long ago. I became the center of their little universe. Everything I said, everything I did, my whole life was under their radar. They fantasied about everything about me. It was sick! I think we should only be obsessed with the Word of GOD (never a person because that's when we fall into idolitry.

Don't you agree?
---Marcia on 8/21/07


How obsession can lead to fantasy!
---alan_of_UK on 8/21/07


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Rich>>>

(This is the RCC). The wounded head that causes the world to follow her. Right now America is following her. One of these days Satan will sit on the throne there.

Now I can agree with that!!!
---Marcia on 8/20/07


Marcia, Ezekiel was a prophet and was prophecying for a future time, and it is no accident that John picked up on Ezekiel's wording. Jerusalem did push Rome into crucifying Jesus, and did continue to push Rome into persecuting the early Christians - some of those persecutions were extraordinarily brutal, but would NOT have occurred had the Jews not impose their ideas and desires upon the Romans during that era.
---lorra8574 on 8/20/07


This is the Jewish religion. The wounded head that causes the world to follow her. Right now America is following her. One of these days Satan will sit on the throne there.
---Rich on 8/20/07


"she herself was destroyed (for a long time) by her wanton ways."

This is another attempt to deceive the brethren, the question is referring to revalation 17:1, not Ezeikeil. This great whore will be completly exsposed in the future trib. Then she will be destroyed by Christ himself!
---Marcia on 8/20/07


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(Rev:17) "For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore (Roman Catholicism), which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand." -Revelation 19:2)
---Marcia on 8/20/07


"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists (Popes and priests), whereby we know that it is the last time" -1st John 2:18
---Marcia on 8/20/07


And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color (official Vatican colors), and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls (the Vatican is filthy rich), having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations (the Holocaust, inquisitions, etc.) and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY: BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (Many heathen religions have spawned out of Catholicism) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH -Revelation 17:4,5
---Marcia on 8/20/07


Catholicisms ill-gotten children profess to know Christ but do service to Satan by disregarding the commandments of God in order to keep the traditions of men which papists even themselves call "TRADITION." Why is she (the whore) called a mystery? The antichrist spirit of ancient pagan Babylon, though seemingly long fallen, lives in the rites and blasphemies of the Roman Catholic religion.
---Marcia on 8/20/07


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. Now that ancient Babylonian false religion lives today within the Catholic religion, disguised by Christian names. What a Satanic scam! The queen of heaven is now...Mary! Mystery Babylon lives, undetected by doomed millions across the world. Notice the scars in Mary's hands in the photo below. Mary is NOT our co-redeemer!
---Marcia on 8/20/07


Andrea, read Ezekiel 16 in its entirety and you will know who the whore really is. She was named so for her relationship with the City not Babylon but named so by the early Christians (including Peter who signed off from there in one of his epistles) that caused the death of Our Lord upon the Cross, and the persecution of His followers - she truly did get drunk on the blood of martyrs until she herself was destroyed (for a long time) by her wanton ways.
---lorra8574 on 8/19/07


Liberals are the Whore, a collective whore. It is quite obvious in both specifics and general context of any historical study I've done. Even when done with a secular bias in sample weighting, its clear that liberalism is truly the "root of all evil".

In HIS name,
Susan
---Susan on 8/18/07


The great whore is the world empire of false religion, and is it an empire..!!!
---Joyce on 8/16/07


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Many people share the answer that---mikefl-- has given to this question. And after due consideration of this question I cannot completely or strongly disagree. The RCC Church and her daughters could easily make up the great whore.
---Mima on 8/16/07


If the great whore is organized religion (RCC) then daughters would also be younger versions of the mother (church). That would be the business and political parts of denominations. Just look at how they are modeled after the mother. Headquarters (a business by any name is still a business), land ownership, church rules/rituals, etc., etc. Come out of her my people. Look out for that mark IN the forehead of agreement and that mark IN the hand of fellowship. You get a discount if you use the same bible...
---mikefl on 8/15/07


I thought she was in California, but she may have moved...I jest.
---Eloy

LOL Eloy...may I jest with you? She did move OUT of CA and God moved me TO CA, 3 1/2 yrs ago, much to my dismay at first, I never wanted to live in CA...too many weirdos I thought! God is moving lots of spirit filled believers to CA lately...to help pray in Godliness and pray out the evil, demonic forces that have had their stronghold on CA for way too long a time. Praise the Lord...He is on the move in California!!!
---Holly4jc on 8/15/07


OF course NYC fulfills most of the requirements for "Babylon" it had to have been a city that was powerful in and around 96AD
---Andrea on 8/16/07


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The whore has daughters -the "RC" this org has Bible teachings, millions of believers,it is riddled with pagan beliefs. include the Worship of Mary, (patterned on the Babylonian worship of Virgin Queen of Heaven) idol, image and relic worship, rosary, Sign of the Cross, payment of prayers for the dead, Celibacy of the priesthood, the doctrine of purgatory etc. pagan practices classify her as one of the whore's daughters - probably the largest, wealthiest and most influential of them all!
---Andrea on 8/15/07


judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, .... been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3: So he carried me ..... a woman ..upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, .. seven heads and ten horns.
4: ..arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, .. with gold and precious stones, .. a golden cup in her hand full of abominations 5: upon her forehead, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
---Andrea on 8/15/07


It is a city but not jerusalem bc Jerusalem has another history and this city is destroyed.
Rev. 18: 19: And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
20: Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets, for God hath avenged you on her.
Its a city near water.
---Andrea on 8/15/07


Then, in a frenzy of awareness, men and woman will realise how terribly deceived they have been in religious matters: how easily the great whore had deceived them into accepting as truth the dubious doctrines of devils. Mankind will then turn in rage on all the religious organisations of men - Christian and otherwise
---Andrea on 8/15/07


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Dan1724

If your suggesting that the the Great Whore is not a unfaithfull Church who is suppose to be the Bride of Christ but is having an affair with the World then I disagree.

However I do agree that she is druck off of Idolitry, the love of money/wealth, and power. Mostly she is drunk off of Paganism.
---Marcia on 8/10/07


I thought she was in California, but she may have moved...I jest.
---Eloy on 8/10/07


Isaiah 1:21 calls Jerusalem a harlot. Isaiah 23:13-18 depicts Tyre as a harlot. Nahum 3:4 declares Nineveh a harlot. The nation Israel is repeatedly accused by the prophets of being a harlot (Jer 3:6-10, Ezek 16:15-22, Hos 4:12-13).

Revelations 17 "inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication". Turn on your TV and see what has made the inhabitants of the earth drunk. It has nothing to do with the RCC.
---Dan1724 on 8/9/07


The Bride has the ministry of the spirit, the ministry of righteousness (Christ). The whore has the blood of martyrs on her hands. Obviously she has the ministry of death. You can tell which one you are listening to by what she has in her hands.
---Linda on 8/9/07


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Tony, you asked a good question. Read Romans 7:1-4 and you will find out who the adultress is and why she is the adultress. Mystery Babylon (confused and don't know it) says, "I sit a queen and am no widow". That's her problem. There is no queenship apart from Christ's Kingship and, at some point in time, that woman had to have experienced a widowhood from the old man otherwise she has two husbands and is an adultress.
---Linda on 8/9/07


How much of the church have you heard say, "I have a bad dog and a white dog who are fighting one another. The strongest one wins." That's the harlot mindset. Christ already won and His Spirit is not weaker than our flesh. Babylon (confusion) holds out a full cup of abominations. The Bride holds forth that Jesus drank the cup and now offers a cup of blessing.
---Linda on 8/9/07


A Harlet, is an adulteress, or a wayward wife. An adulteress is an unfaithful partner or again, a wife that goes astray. In this text a Harlett is seen as a church that has gone bad or away from God. Gods wife in scripture is mentioned as the bride of Christ..the church. So know you must ask yourself which church of God has gone astray from His truths..It must be a Christian church that has lied about God and mislead people, ...any guesses ?
---tony on 8/9/07


Dan1724,

I appreciate your sincere concern. However, there is enough history now to connect the dots, just as there is enough history and archeology to connect facts to faith, for exampe, Noah Arch and Sodom and Gormorah.
---Marcia on 8/8/07


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We should be very careful on topics like this. Did not Jesus choose 12 apostles, and one of them was evil ? Does the one make the whole evil ? The "authorities" of His day incorrectly interpretted the prophesies about Jesus and did not know who He was (John 7). Some identified Him as evil -using evil powers to cast out demons (Matt 12). Are we so sure we are not doing the same thing today ?
---Dan1724 on 8/8/07


Leon:

That's what they call being politically correct. The Bible is not politically Correct. It always describes the church as a unfaithful or faithful woman, never a man. Its prophetic language. Nevertheless, we are pretty much saying the same thing, I totally agree.
---Marcia on 8/8/07


Marcia: More (you) or less (me), I can see where we're both saying the same thing differently. :)

As you know mothers have always birthed "sons" & daughters. This is why I asked the "daughters" question. I felt you & Tony overlooked the male gender. :)

Therefore, Babylon...Mother of Harlots, is no different, i.e., "male" & female whores. The fact of the matter is she's literally the mother of all IDOLATERS.
---Leon on 8/8/07


Leon>>>

RC: Though this religious organisation has many Bible-based teachings and sone true believers, sad to say it is also riddled with pagan beliefs and practices. These include the Worship of Mary, (a practice patterned on the Babylonian worship of the Virgin Queen of Heaven) idol, image and relic worship, the use of the rosary and the Sign of the Cross, the payment of prayers for the dead, the enforced Celibacy of the priesthood, the doctrine of purgatory.
---Marcia on 8/7/07


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Leon>>>

APOSTATE PROTESTANTISM: Though the Protestant Reformation began with the casting away of many pagan teachings brought over from the Roman church, it wasn't long before Protestantism split into scores of groups, many of which have been seduced by the love of money and, like their Roman Catholic parent, prostituted themselves.
---Marcia on 8/7/07


Leon>>>

Revelation 17: 1: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither, I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
---Marcia on 8/7/07


Leon>>>

3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
---Marcia on 8/7/07


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