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Is it wrong for a Pastor to make and print up hand outs on who gives what in tithes and give it to the congregation?

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 ---Vernon on 7/17/07
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I would run a million miles away from that pastor and his so-called church. No, he does not have any right to do that. Tithing and giving is between a person and God and should be left there. Sounds like he is trying to make it into a contest to see who gives the most.
---Helen_5378 on 8/12/07


mima I agree - we should all just shut up and not cause any problems. its not loving to cause division in the church after all the pastor is like the little pope or the 'lil prophet' But if the pastor is a woman I think we should hang her .........

you guys lighten up.

I'd copy these posts and mail them to him/her. then I'd try to get a copy of his income tax or get a fake one and put his name on it hahahahahahahahahahaah
---Andrea on 8/11/07


Why would your pastor do this? How does it benefit anyone? By singling out people, it gives individual people glory. They get their rewards in this world (rather than in the next).

We are encouraged to give in secret, but that is hard to do if the pastor blabs it all over the congregation. This might even discourage some people from giving, if they truly wish to remain humble and anonymous. What will be left is people who give, mainly in order to see their name in print.
---Mark on 8/9/07


Who in their right mind? Me in my right mind. I claim a deduction on my taxes because I do not wish to render unto Caesar any more than what is Caesars. I am not taking from God.

As far as the pastor announcing the giving. I am not as freaked as most. I dont see any spiritual reason for it but if I am comfortable about my giving, its not that big of deal. I would sure want to hear the pastors reasoning.
---Stan on 7/24/07


and, oh yeah, Matthew 6 is referring to the giver giving in secret. It does not mention the gift being commented on by others. Even Christ commented on the widows offering.
---Stan on 7/24/07




Hi Robyn, I didn't mean to offend, I was just being helpful, or at least I thought I was--oops! :/
---Mary on 7/23/07


Susie, isn't that what happens to all the blogs? LOL. We always rabbit trail down some path of debate, and the original question is lost in the debris. The irony here is that people are correcting others while they themselves are guilty of the same thing. I guess that just goes to show that we need to be quick to admit when we are wrong, and not take ourselves so seriously.
---Kady on 7/23/07


PS-Mima if you're reading this, you could save us all from ourselves, and clear the air...were you being sarcastic, or did you mean what you said? Thanks!
---Kady on 7/23/07


I think that it is grossly inappropriate for a pastor to publish tithing amounts and who gave what. But I readily submit my receipts for my taxes. Jesus said to render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, but if Caesar wants to return some of it to encourage donating to charity, that is a good thing that I am willing to accept.
---lorra8574 on 7/23/07


Does anyone else find it HUMOROUS that this discussion has focused on Mima's post at the beginning? Mima has not posted since that post, yet some of you are really getting upset about this. Robyn, no one has cut you down. They simply tried to correct a gender reference that was wrong. Mima will probably get back from his latest missionary trip and see how this blog has deteriorated because of his little joke and laugh about it. He's too busy making sure he reaches a lost and dying world to get upset.
---Susie on 7/23/07




Robyn: I think it is very rude of you to refer to people with the wrong gender reference, and then be rude about taking the correction.

I felt that Mima's original post was confusing, and I said so in an earlier post.

If you have the Holy Spirit, as you claim you do, you would exhibit here in humility and love, rather than the arrogance that you showed in reply to me.
---Madison1101 on 7/22/07


Madison,Mary,Ok,Mima: I don't know what seems to be the problem. I don't personally care who or what Mima is, his/her background on these blogs etc...No one can cut me down. It takes a little bit more intelligence than what I hear coming from you all to do that. You have to let the Holy Ghost lead you in all that you do. I try to do that. It does not take very much intelligence to do what Mima does. I am not into that. It won't work with me. But if you all insist on going toe to toe. I can do that,too.
---Robyn on 7/22/07


Ok ::I see your confusion comes naturally you do get your genders mixed up inspite of knowing them as you state.SMILES:)
---Emcee on 7/22/07


Everybody here who is coming down on Mima -- read his post again. I believe it is a bit of sarcasm and not to be taken literally.
---Helen_5378 on 7/22/07


Whatever......Mima is I can't help it.
---Robyn on 7/21/07


Emcee, sarcasm is not always a bad thing. Jesus used sarcasm. However, Mima's post shows the sarcasm that seems to put down men and women of God more than is meet. However, I've known Mima on these blogs and I don't intend to begin to discuss that with her, but I wanted to point out to Robyn that he was too quick to criticize, and he was the one doing the criticism. Even if Mima had really meant what he thought she meant, he shouldn't cut her down like that. That's Christianity.
---OK on 7/21/07


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Mima is a "he" and not a "she" :D
---Mary on 7/21/07


"Who in their right mind would want to get a recipt from their tithes, just so they can claim it on their taxes?"

Many people claim their tithes and donations on their taxes and are in their right mind. You see, it helps not have to pay so much tax on April 15th. Of course, most do not pay their tithes and offerings just to save on taxes. We tithe as it is what the Lord wants and we love giving. If you would like for me not to claim tithes, you can pay my tax bill!
---Susie on 7/21/07


Rebecca...I would guess that you probably used the "Earned Income Credit" on your tax return this year. Many Christians do that and get back money that they never paid in taxes in the first place. What's the difference between that and claiming tithes and donations on your tax return. At least we paid them.
---Susie on 7/21/07


Robyn: FYI. Mima is a man, and you are referring to him as a woman in your posts.
---Madison1101 on 7/21/07


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It does not matter whose in agreement with me or not. I am not here to flex spiritual muscles. There is only one way and that is God's way. Petty arguments and debates don't interest me. If someone genuinely wants to share their faith and beliefs I can get with that.
---Robyn on 7/21/07


OK:: wow" you saw sarcasam but did not upbraid Mima but jumped on Robyn to curb her tongue?My my how does christianity work these days.I am really puzzled.
---Emcee on 7/21/07


Robyn, you are so hard-deaded that you still aren't seeing the full picture. Mima's statement was in agreement with yours. She spoke SARCASTICALLY. You need to read her post again.
---OK on 7/20/07


OK: I told Mima exactly what I meant. No apologies. Someone needs to. She is clearly way off track and blind to the truth. I did her a favor. The truth hurts sometimes but is still needed.
---Robyn on 7/20/07


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We are all pathetic, true. Is that an excuse to be intentionally pathetic. No. Robyn, you should learn a lesson from reading your own post to Mima. Tame your tongue! Stay blessed.
---OK on 7/19/07


Who in their right mind would want to get a recipt from their tithes, just so they can claim it on their taxes? When you give God something, you don't take it away from him. My right hand doesn't know what my left hand does. People shouldn't give just to get back. And by getting a recipt from tithes, they are looking to get it back.
---Rebecca_D on 7/19/07


Robyn...You made me smile. I see nothing wrong with saying exactly what you think. Honesty is important in here. I've seen churches where your popularity is based on your tithing and they ain't good. God knows who gives because they want people to know they are giving and who gives because they have a cheerful heart. That's all that matters.
---Susie on 7/19/07


OK: I have freedom of speech and I do use it. I call a spade a spade. The Holy Spirit did not have anything to do with my post that time. And yes we all are pathetic in one way or another. I am alright with that.Blessings
---Robyn on 7/19/07


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Susie: I don't care if I get a receipt from the church for my donations, I never list any of that on my tax returns. God knows what I have given and what I've done in private, God will reward in public.

Matt 6:6b ...and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

Matt 6:18b ...and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
---Holly4jc on 7/19/07


",,doesn't "tongue and cheek" just mean untruthful?"

No, it means joking!!!! Most people who post on here a lot know that Mima was joking!!!
---Susie on 7/18/07


In order to be able to claim any donations (tithing or otherwise), you must have a receipt from the church or organization to which you donated. That is the main purpose of tithing envelopes. There are cults who actually require "tithing statements" for their members to be able to participate in some of their secret activities. Vernon is probably right when he says this group is a cult.
---Susie on 7/18/07


Susie: No, I could not tell that Mima was being sarcastic in his reply. Given all the exremes in beliefs on CNet, it is totally possible for someone to think as he has posted. We have extremists like John, who thinks all women should be barefoot and pregnant housewives. I just figured Mima was one like him.
---Madison1101 on 7/18/07


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Robyn, do you see how pathetic you are. You are so quick to yell, criticize and judge people that you called Mima blind and what not, without even noticing the implicit irony in her post. Did the Holy Spirit lead you to tell her that she was blind?
---OK on 7/18/07


Like Holly I give cash. I would not use the envelope for a long time but sometimes I do now. If I choose the envelope I put the cash inside but I do not write my name or give any other information on the envelope. Also let me add Holly: it is also a good way to be completely ignored in church. The pastor and others probably feel I am not giving anything, so therefore, I am mostly ignored and forgotten. So sad. I don't care. God knows.
---Robyn on 7/18/07


Vernon: I would not go as far as to say it is wrong what the pastor did in printing the handouts and giving them out. There is no where in scripture where it says not to. But it seems to be an unethical thing to do to the congregants. It is no body's business what we give in the offering. By his being the shepherd, he should be more aware of things of this nature and stay away from behavior like this. I feel it is too divisive among the flock.
---Robyn on 7/18/07


More: Vernon: Ran out of space as usual.
A pastor should never cause division among the people. Some may feel bad because they are unable to give as much a someone else. A pastor should never be guilty of doing this.He should be an example to the people and keep peace at all cost.
Leave people along and they will probably give much more than the 10%. Preachers should also be taught themselves before subjecting people to this type treatment. I deeply resent it myself.
---Robyn on 7/18/07


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umm,,doesn't "tongue and cheek" just mean untruthful? not to be overly picky,but i find that the truth is best.then there would be no confusion.God bless!!
---kim on 7/18/07


Hey Vernon, That was so much fun answering your blog, and thank you.++
---catherine on 7/18/07


When I posted this question I had a limtied wording space to work with I know this is unethical and wrong I just wanted to here what my brothers and sisters in Christ had to say I have dear freinds that go to this church and some family I just wanted other veiws on this matter I am not a member of this church and i dont think it is a church but a cult thank you all for you veiws God Bless you all
---Vernon on 7/18/07


Check this out..when I give money...I usually give cash and put it in the offering WITHOUT an envelope with no name associated with it. My giving is between myself and God, I only have to answer to HIM!!! So, for all intensive purposes, the pastor in question would think that I never, ever give at all...but...he would be totally wrong! How happy would God be with this pastor sharing with the flock that I do not give and then causing them all to judge me falsely, when in fact, that would be a total lie!
---Holly4jc on 7/18/07


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Yes it is wrong. It doesn't matter who gives, or how much. It can cause confusing and make one boast about themselves, because they will try and out do someone else. God doesn't look at how much a person gives, he looks at what comes from the heart. I don't care how much the other person gives, it is none of my business. The Pastor is dead wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 7/17/07


It still amazes me when people on this site cannot see when someone (Mima) is posting an answer "tongue-in-cheek". Can't you tell when someone is being fascious?
---Susie on 7/18/07


**...I'd leave that church immediately and take my [my?!] tithe with me...**
Vince, one problem with your statement is that you don't realize how faulty men of God can be. You think tolerance which the bible asks for us to show in love is only toward the unbeliever or supposed-to-be-immature Christian. I wish it were, but it isn't. There would always be conflict on certain issues, and some pastors may be more hard-headed than others. cont'd
---OK on 7/17/07


2...There is conflict that would cause you to leave a church...but it's much further donw the road than the entrance of valid frustration.
---OK on 7/17/07


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Mima: As I read your post, I am truly scared for you...it's because of that kind of mentality in people who believe it is never proper to question the "keeper of the flock" aka a pastor or leader, that causes people to end up in a cult. We cannot blindly follow someone, even if it's a pastor...David Koresh and Jim Jones would not allow the people who followed them to question them either...if people had spoke up, they would not be dead now!
---Holly4jc on 7/17/07


That information should be confidential. My church uses a numbered envelope system so that nobody knows until the tax receipt is typed up and mailed to the person for their envelope receipts.

That pastor is wrong to publicize that information, and he should be removed from the pulpit. I would leave that church immediately.
---Madison1101 on 7/17/07


It is not only WRONG it is stupid. False preachers, Here we go again. Tell your fake preacher to keep it to himself concerning you.>>>I cannot believe somebody would do that. I have never heard such a thing. Hey catherine, she gave five cents today.
---catherine on 7/17/07


Mima: With all due respect, you are one blind Mima. No pastor has total control over any of his congregation, at any time. One man with too much power is a very dangerous thing. This is wrong what he is trying to do. He knows it but he's hoping his congregants are so blinded and misinformed that they will fork over what he wants(money) without questions. You would be his ideal congregant. Blind and self righteous.
---Robyn on 7/17/07


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You know it's wrong. I'd leave that church immediately and take my tithe with me.
Submission by intimidation, humiliation.
Creepy, isn't it.
---Vince on 7/17/07


It is wrong if a pastor does that. It's not even biblical to command a tithe from a christian. The tithing of money/personal income isn't even biblicaly based.
---Ryan_Z on 7/17/07


Yes, it is absolutely wrong. What if a person can only give $5 and someone can give $100? Is he trying to put a guilt trip on people? What is his purpose in doing that? Why not just put the lump sum down if he has to put anything down.
---donna on 7/17/07


It is totatly unethical for for a pastor to even have access to such data much less publish it.

It is grounds for perminant removal and revoking Pastorial Ordination.
---notlaw99 on 7/17/07


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Yes it is most certainly wrong. "Let your giving be in secret". A lot of churches do this and it is absolutely disgusting.
---RitaH on 7/17/07


Yes it is wrong for a pastor to do this, his secretary or anyone related to the church to use this underhanded tactic. It is a form of coercion or shaming a person into paying tithes. Which is totally wrong and a very nasty way to do things. And if they insist on doing this I might move my membership.
---Robyn on 7/17/07


What an outrage!! Why is he still your pastor?
---Annie on 7/17/07


I would say so! What could possibly be beneficial in that? I'm making a mental list of all the things that could come from this, and they are all negative. I definitely believe this is a huge red flag, and if I went to that church, I would start looking for a new one immediately.
---Kady on 7/17/07


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Certainly it is not wrong in the pastor,s eyes. And what right do you have to question the pastor's actions. He will tell you what to do and how to do it. I'm amazed that you went to work at your own salvation with your own God given mind. Do not question the keeper of the flock!!!
---Mima on 7/17/07


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