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7 Sacraments Is 7 Hills

Could the seven sacraments of the RCC possibly correspond with the seven hills in this verse," And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." Rev. 17:9?

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The SUMMIT of all Sacraments.
1. The Holy Eucharist.
Jesus was ONLY speaking to the 12 Apostles at the Last Supper in all 4 Gospels COMMANDING them to copy Him ALWAYS. Mt 26:26-28,MK 14:22-24,LK 22:17-20, Of course John 6 which Jesus is VERY CLEAR.

2.Confession or Sacrament of Anointment John 20:22-23 only to the Apostles. He saw a lady first. No blowing the Holy Spirit on her.

3.Confirmation Acts 1:4-8 and Acts 2:1-4

4.Ordination. Since Jesus could have picked women, but He didn't. So Priest are men. Acts 1:15-26
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/8/15


Thank you Mima:
Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino.
"The ' Roman Church firmly believes ' that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, ' pagans, ' Jews ' heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal, but that they will go into the eternal fire ' unless before death they are joined with Her, ' only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one ' can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."
---Glenn on 7/8/15


Catholics also say that their validity depends on Gods righteousness, ex opere operato. Yet, some of these seven require a specific formula - done by a Priest to not be either illicit or invalid.---Genn

As you said, SOME has to be given by the Priests.

Marriage- Catholics - Deacons or Priests. But, everyone, the RCC states the marry IS VALID.
Baptism-Deacons or Priests.
Emergency situation ANYONE.
Outside the Catholic Church the RCC states if Baptism is said by the Trinity it IS VALID.

Anointing of the Sick is another one of the 7 Sacrament which has to be done by a Priest because of the Letter of James 5:14-15
Note, he states call an Elder not anyone.
The RCC doesn't make these things up. Next 4 - next blog
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/8/15


When Luther finished his German translation there were still 73 books in his German Bible.

He just placed the Apocrypha in it's own section and emphasized that it was not true scripture. Latter translation left them out entirely. I do answer your questions also.

Now Genn or Glenn I think one of the last posts misspelled your name. Great points.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/15


Glenn, Glenn, you came out of no where fussing at me.
Take it easy.

Thank you for giving me complaint. I can only respond to what is given to me.
If you disagree that is okay. I can as well.
It's America.

CCC 846
States if Jesus starts a Church as He is the Head of the Church you have to be in the Church created by Jesus.
It also states if YOU KNOW that the RCC is the Church by Jesus Christ you must be Catholic to be SAVED.

The key word is 'KNOW'.

Glenn if you truly don't believe the Catholic Church is the Body of Christ then you are not bond of it.

Salvation comes from Jesus.
Only God can give you the Grace of FAITH.

PEACE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/8/15




Evangelicals do not have a problem with these sacraments, except as presented by the R.C.C.. For example, C.C.C. 846 puts the same in the place of the Church Universal. C.C.C. CANON IV: claims that anyone who says that Salvation (grace of justification) is obtained through faith alone, without the seven sacraments is anathematized. Catholics also say that their validity depends on Gods righteousness, ex opere operato. Yet, some of these seven require a specific formula - done by a Priest to not be either illicit or invalid. This is semi Donatism.
---Genn on 7/7/15


Nicole_Lacey: I will try to be more direct. One - re "context", see 2/2 *1 . Two - re "study more", you lack wisdom *3. Three - re "argumentum", An example, learner2 made a comment on 6/29, and so you asked him to write a passage from the C.C.C.. Four / Seven - re "consider", you are inconsiderate. Please, see the verses given 2/2. Five - re "evidence", see your entry 2/2 *2 which is a polemic only. Also, where did Cluny write this? Six - re "repent", self evident.
As to your questions: 1. A Herculean task. 2. I'll do this elsewhere. 3. Giving a response that someone disagrees with is still an answer.
*3 1Corinthians 8:2, Galatians 6:3, 2Timothy 3:16-17, James 1:26, 2Peter 3:16.
---Glenn on 7/7/15


Samuel, They don't agree.
Because when St. Jerome's finished translation of the Bible STILL had 73 books inside.

Mather Luther's final translation leaves you all with 66 books. (Cluny was correct. 1st Edition of the King James Bible had all 73 books.

So how are you claiming they are agreeing with each other?

St. Jerome changed the language.
He didn't drop whole books from the Bible.

Call it whatever you wish.
Just leave it inside so I can read it and JUDGE for myself.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/7/15


Correct Nicole. But Jerome consider the Apocrypha to be deuterocanonical. See post 7/5/15

They were in additions to the Canon. Luther did translate them. But he just went one step beyond Jerome and advocated for them not being scripture which is what Jerome had said.

So Jerome and other Scholars agree with Martin Luther.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15


Glenn: Perhaps, there are a few things that you might do before making a declamation.

Allow me to return the favor.

1. Tell me what you are disagreeing on which I wrote.
I can't read your mind.

2. Speak what you claim I am not on point with the RCC.
The RCC has a CCC book with numbers that allows me to BACK UP MY STATEMENTS.

3. I give Bible verses, but some refuse to answer or address my question.
Learner is the only one who answers all my debate points.
We disagree, but he isn't afraid to ANSWER.

4. Don't be shy, but be on point. Don't be vague
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/6/15




1/2 Nicole_Lacey: Perhaps, there are a few things that you might do before making a declamation.
One, use Bible verses in context *1.
Two, study more as there is a considerable amount of discussion about some of these subjects over the Centuries. Reading the different arguments and counter arguments, might be helpful to you. Some of your opinions are not even consistent with the more erudite R.C. position(s). Three, most Evangelicals don't recognize any Council after Chalcedon, least of all Trent. And an argumentum ad Magisterium is a peculiar evidence to give to non Roman Catholics.
---Glenn on 7/6/15


And the LXX was translated some 200 years BEFORE Christ. It was not done by the Roman Catholic Church.--Cluny on 7/5/15

It depends what you are talking about?
Latin, no not until St Jerome came along

Jerome translated the Bible into Latin. --Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15

Yes, it was. It was in Greek, Arabic and Hebrew.

It was the RCC through St. Jerome who translated the WHOLE BIBLE (73) into Latin.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/6/15


//
Jerry, Revelation can't defend itself. And it's full of mischief, like 2 Esdras.

---learner2 on 7/5/15
//


Don't badmouth the Bible just because you don't understand it. It would seem that you are the one "full of mischief".


---jerry6593 on 7/6/15


2/2 Four, please consider that there are a few people on the blog, who are trying to help you.
Five, back definitive statements with evidence *2.
Six, when you make a mistake - repent, and then go on to the next point. In example, many of your comments about the Apocrypha are incorrect, but you will not receive correction.
Seven, also, please consider - *a "with meekness and fear".
Proverbs 24:28, Matthew 7:12, 23:4, 1Corinthians 14:33-38, 1Timothy 2:11-15, 2Timothy 2:15-16, 1Peter 3:4, *a 15-16.
*1 *a ("Because Peter"... 6/30) concerns giving testimony about Jesus, not Church polity.
*2 ("Unfortunately...R.C.C." 6/30) Also, Cluny said what?
---Glenn on 7/5/15


Nicole Yes Martin Luther did drop them. But like any good Scholar he gave reasons for them.

Jerome emphasizes the difference between the Hebrew Bible "apocrypha" and the Hebraica veritas of the protocanonical books.

Wikipedia: Jerome (Translation and Commentaries)

Apocrapha and Jerome

"The Apocryphal books were accorded a deuterocanonical status, but were not regarded as canonical in the strict sense. That is, they were not accepted as authoritative for the establishing of doctrine but were used for the purpose of edification. Thus, the Church retained the distinctions established by Jerome, Rufinus and Athanasius of ecclesiastical and canonical books."

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/15


Jerry, Revelation can't defend itself. And it's full of mischief, like 2 Esdras.
---learner2 on 7/5/15


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//The Septuagint were 70 scholars who translated parts of the Bible APART OF EACH OTHER.
When they compared their works, they were ALL THE SAME...//

Unfortunately, I was taught the same, but the "letter of Aristeas" seems to be over embellished. Nice story, but apparently not accurate.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/15


\\You also made my point of Luther dropping 7 books by himself.\\

Actually, Luther translated these books, but he was the first to put them between the testaments.

And the LXX was translated some 200 years BEFORE Christ. It was not done by the Roman Catholic Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/5/15


Samuel, what are you talking about? Jerome translated the Bible into Latin. All 46 books of the OT. Not only 39 books you have.
That's is part of the reason he is the Doctor of the Church. He said "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ."

You also made my point of Luther dropping 7 books by himself.

The Septuagint were 70 scholars who translated parts of the Bible APART OF EACH OTHER.
When they compared their works, they were ALL THE SAME. SO, the RCC knew the Holy Spirit was guiding the RCC through these men on the Cannons of books for the completed Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


//
If I had my druthers, I'd get rid of that mischief-making Book of Revelation.

---learner2 on 7/3/15
//


Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


---jerry6593 on 7/5/15


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Jerome was an opinionated old cuss. And he was never authorized to decide church doctrine.
---learner2 on 7/4/15


C.S. Lewis is the BEST!
Nicole_Lacey

He is also one of my favorite. I also like G. K.Chesterton and Thomas Aquinas.

Martin Luther used Jerome from the 5th century as his authority to do so since Jerome had stated they were not canonical. Jerome is also referred to as the Doctor of the Church and one of it's greatest authorities.

So your argument has to be that Jerome was incorrect.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Can the Holy Spirit tell me to FIX the Bible after 15 centuries?

Why not? Many believe the Holy Spirit told church councils to fix (i.e. to make fixed) the Bible after 5 centuries.

Please explain to me how decreasing the Bible helps Christians?

If a Bible (or any other book) contains parts that are not genuine, removing them IS an improvement.


Samuelbb7:

You said: The Septuigent was not the Tanak or Jewish Bible.

The Septuagint was a Greek translation of the entire OT, and included the Apocrypha. All of Jesus and the Apostle's quotes from the OT agree with the Septuagint, even when they differ from the Hebrew Masoretic.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/15


Samuel, who gave Luther permission?

Can the Holy Spirit tell me to FIX the Bible after 15 centuries?

Everyone has been so dumb and didn't realize the OT was wrong for 10 centuries until Luther was born?

Come on. Tell me you don't believe that?

Hiter, Stalin, Lenin(sp?) Henry the VIII and many others thought they were smart as well.

BTW, I read many authors that are or were not Catholics.

C.S. Lewis is the BEST!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


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\\The Septuigent was not the Tanak or Jewish Bible.\\

But it WAS the OT of the Greek-speaking Christians from Apostolic times.

It also is based on an OLDER text than the present Massoretic text, which was not stabilized until AD 1200 or so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/15


Well Nicole that is fairly normal. People tend to read only what they already believe and not listen to both sides.

I like some RCC authors and read their books. Though not many. I usually have to get a recommendation. I have to admit I am also way behind on my reading.

Luther did not mess up the Bible. He corrected an error that had been made. The Septuigent was not the Tanak or Jewish Bible. It was a translation with additions. So Luther did not mess with the Bible. it was the leaders who accepted the additions that were not scripture according to the Jewish leaders before Jesus.

Thank you for at least hearing more then one side here.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


If I had my druthers, I'd get rid of that mischief-making Book of Revelation.
---learner2 on 7/3/15


Thank you for admitting Luther changed the Bible because he liked the Jewish Cannon Bible of our OT better.
To return the favor of answering each other's question:

NONE!

Why would I read any of Luther's Works if the MAN or Priest (You never stop being a Priest) CHANGED THE TRUE BOOK THE BIBLE?

I don't care how sound his other books are claimed to be even if the Pope said it.

He MESSED with the Bible.

COME ON, MAN!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/3/15


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Yes Nicole I know a fair amount about Luther having read some of his books and studyed his life.

Luther looked at the Jewish Bible and didn't see books that were in the Old Testament of the RCC Bible. Those books are called the Apocrypha are not in the Jewish Canon. These were books of doubtful origin added by Alexandria Jews in the Septuagint. They helped support certain false doctrine.

But they have some decent history. I read them and Most of the New Jerusalem Bible which is a RCC approved Bible translation.

Since Jewish scholars didn't believe them to be Scripture they're not.

How many of the works of Martin Luther have you read?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/15


Samuel, did you know Martian Luther was a Roman Catholic Priest?
A Catholic Priest with a Catholic Bible.
Our Bible NEVER change. 73 books since the 5th century.

So lets use logic.

If Luther had a 73 book Bible before he LEFT the Priesthood, why do you only have a 66 book Bible?

FACTS:
RCC always had a 73 book Bible.
Luther was a Catholic Priest
When Luther died he owned a 66 book Bible, but Catholics were still using the same 73 book Bible when they Ordained Luther as a Priest.

Catholics: 73 Bible before, during and after Luther's life.

Luther: 73 Bible as a young man and Priest.
66 book Bible when he died.

Please explain to me how decreasing the Bible helps Christians?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


Samuel, remember reading about the potatoes famine in your history books?

Millions of Catholics starved to death because England invaded them forcing them to convert or die.
So millions came to America just to practice their faith and EAT.
So please remember all of history, not just the ones you think supports your opinions.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


Nicole The Irish monks did work to spread the Gospel. They also did end up loyal to the Pope. But there was a time when they were sick of the apostasy, greediness, avarice and wanton living of the popes.

Monk Brendan some good points. But when the Pope backed Tetzel and tried to murder Luther didn't work well to win him back.

Righteousness by faith sealed the deal with the works righteousness the taught by Rome.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/2/15


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SamuelBB said, "I am Grateful to the Monks who save History in their monasteries. Including the Irish Monks who often had not use for the Pope. Also to the Monk Martin Luther who helped save Christianity.

Martin Luther did not save Christianity. His 95 theses were about the selling of indulgences--which I agree was a scandalous affair. However, that practice has never been the official teaching of the Roman Church.

Luther was speaking especially about Johann Tetzel, who was selling indulgences--supposedly to rebuild St. Peter's in Rome. In fact, half the money went to the Archbishop of Mainz, Cardinal Albert of Brandenburg

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/15


Samuel please stop watching the History Channel.
I promise they are misleading you.

The Irish Monks were and still are the most loyal ones to the Pope.
As you and Monk said, they literally taught Europe how to read and write during the dark age. Plus, after the dark age they left Ireland and SPREAD the Gospel ALL over the WORLD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


Monk_Brendan

I am sorry for my bad spelling.

I am Grateful to the Monks who save History in their monasteries. Including the Irish Monks who often had not use for the Pope. Also to the Monk Martin Luther who helped save Christianity.

Vatican City is in Rome and for Centuries ruled Rome until General Berthier took the Pope prisoner under the Orders of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Pope died in France.

The Armies of the Pope were defeated by the French. This lead to the loss of the Papal states that many Popes had taken in their wars.

Look it up.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


SamuelBB said, " Monk Bredon check my post on 6/24 that is the list of the hills in their use in Historical Rome of the time of the Bible....So in the days of the Apostles Rome said it sat on 7 hills."

First, the name is BRENDAN. Second, the historical Rome has nothing to do with the issue. The Roman Catholic Church does not have its headquarters in Rome. Vatican City is where the Church is located.

However, you should get down on your knees and thank God for the Catholic Church as the monks in northern Europe kept the flame of Christianity alive during the Dark Ages.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/1/15


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Nicole, what is the point in discussing strong food such as Sacramental Theology in the presence of people who don't even believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, as many on these lists do not?---Cluny on 6/30/15

Because Peter said to be prepare give answer to anyone who ask.

Plus, I don't mind trying to stop errors said about the RCC.
As you have seen, I haven't said word about the Theology of Protestants because I don't know.
Unfortunately as you said many who DO NOT believe will not just keep thoughts or opinion to themselves.
Some LOVE to spread rumors, myths and lies on the RCC.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/15


Nicole, what is the point in discussing strong food such as Sacramental Theology in the presence of people who don't even believe that Jesus Christ is God Incarnate, as many on these lists do not?

BTW--in the Orthodox Church, the Sacrifice of Christ in the Eucharist is the CHANGE of the bread and wine into the RESURRECTED Body and Blood of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, Who was sacrificed once for all. It is not a mystical crucifixion. Nor do the actual prayers of the Roman Rite say it is, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/15


Nicole, check the Catholic Encyclopedia.---learner2 on 6/29/15

There lies your problem.

Always check your resources.

Go to the CCC. Sorry no time to tell you the #, but look up transubstantiation in the INDEX.

Write word from word and I will explain it to you and others if you wish.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/15


Monk Bredon check my post on 6/24 that is the list of the hills in their use in Historical Rome of the time of the Bible. It didn't include the extra 2 added latter. So in the days of the Apostles Rome said it sat on 7 hills.

Nicole since the Crucifixion is symbolic why is not the changing symbolic?

Thank you lerner2 good point.

Grace comes from GOD not symbols used by men. The Concrete can help us understand. But it is not the vehicle. If a believer cannot access the Grace by communions would they be lost? After all humans have taken these symbols away from other humans.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/15


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Nicole, check the Catholic Encyclopedia. The term transubstantiation was formulated by Catholic philosophers in the 12th century. I have no objection to the term hat all. I'm just saying the term is not used by anyone except Roman Catholics.
---learner2 on 6/29/15


Transubstantiation is a philosophical term peculiar to the Roman Catholic Church.---learner2 on 6/29/15

No such thing. Philosophical means a belief of mind not state.
No belief that a human is a human. A person is a human because of state of being.

So as the Bread no longer being bread or wine no longer being wine but truly His Body and Blood as He states in John chapter 6 upside down, side ways and all kinds of ways for you to understand.

Never in history has a miracle in the NT been greater than one in the OT.

So as Jesus said, Moses feeding Manna in the desert isn't better or a greater miracle than Jesus offering His Body and Blood for us to have eternal life.
NO SYMBOLS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/29/15


Transubstantiation is a philosophical term peculiar to the Roman Catholic Church. It is not a term used by Orthodox believers.
---learner2 on 6/29/15


Robert said, " Rev 17:9 the woman(church)Vatican sits on 7 mountains. the only church that has its own government, the smallest in the world. The Roman church that sitteth on the 7 mounts."

Got some news for you. The Vatican does not sit on seven hills. It is the smallest country in the world, and it covers about 109 acres about .170313 square miles. Central Park in New York City is much bigger!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/29/15


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In the RCC mass is not there a symbolic Crucifixion of Jesus? Is it the same in the Orthodox?True there are different views of transubstantiation.
The Sacraments do not infuse grace to the believer. They are as you say concrete symbols of the Grace.---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15

In the RCC and Orthodox Churches the Mass is a re-presentation of Jesus' Crucifixion.

Note, but symbolic.
Note Not re done.

But the SAME.
There isn't any TIME with Jesus. He is God and CAN do anything.

Sacraments are DIRECT GRACES from God with NO HUMAN BEINGS INTERFERING WITH THE GRACES
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/29/15


To me Faith reaches up to Jesus which allows him to show his grace to us. But I don't want to quibble about the thought. It is a good one.

In the RCC mass is not there a symbolic Crucifixion of Jesus? Is it the same in the Orthodox?

True there are different views of transubstantiation.

Many Protestants consider it symbolic. But not all.

The Sacraments do not infuse grace to the believer. They are as you say concrete symbols of the Grace.

Grace comes directly from GOD through Jesus Christ.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15


While strolling through the 'net, I found this quote by Pope Francis which seems to apply here:

"What is faith? Faith is to touch Jesus and draw saving grace from Him."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/15


\\ We are saved by Grace alone through faith.\\

The Sacraments are grace and faith concretized and made tangible.

||True Protestants do not generally believe in transubstantiation for a number of reasons. Jesus only had to die once is one.||

But the doctrine of Transubstantiation does NOT say that Christ dies many times.

It is merely one explanation (among many) of just HOW the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 6/28/15


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Nicole_Lacey

Most here agree with you. My Denomination is different.

We are saved by Grace alone through faith. Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

My church and many others teach those who accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior obey his commandments and follow Him. As some say:We are saved by faith alone but faith is never alone.

If a person is saved they will do works. Romans 6,13.

True Protestants do not generally believe in transubstantiation for a number of reasons. Jesus only had to die once is one.

Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/15


many folks in the R.C believe the last pope will be the anti-Christ.-Glenn

No, many Protestants believe that, not Catholics.

Watching too many 'Left behind' movies.

Everyone living will be on earth still when Jesus returns.
No where in the bible does it say Jesus is returning 1 and 1/2 times.
Jesus is returning ONCE. That's it. When He returns we must be on His side or on the anti-Christ side.
The Battle begins.

I don't know how many 'only Scripture' people believe in non Scripture myths.

The Bible says NOT by faith alone, but you all believe in faith alone.
Bible says God is God of living, you say the dead.
Bible states Jesus' Body and Blood is true food and drink, you say symbolic.
REALLY?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/15


Interesting points Glenn.

Agreed there is a final Antichrist. But there have and are today many lessor Antichrists.

1Jo 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

2John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/27/15


Strong Axe: In Revelations 17:10-11, "and one is" was written in the singular present indicative. Therefore, it was the then present Caesar in Rome, not the future Mufti of Mecca. In the opinion of early Christian, Eastern Orthodox, Papist, and Protestant theologians, the city in question was Rome. Many folk in the R.C. believe that the last Roman (anti) Pope will be the Anti-Christ, 19:20. In 17:18, the city refered to is Rome.
And the Lord did not send an Angel to mislead "his servants", including John about the matter, Revelations 1:1-2.
---Glenn on 6/26/15


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The Romans referred to their city as the city of seven hills.

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus, Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

They stated it was even established on seven hills even though there were some smaller ones. Many commentators agree that Babylon was used by Christians in the first century as a code word for Rome.

Look up Against the Execrable Bull of the Antichrist.
Martin Luther's Reply to the Papal Bull of Leo X
---Samuelbb7 on 6/24/15


Glenn:

You said: Mecca was founded in the fourth century.

So what? Revelation contains prophecies of future events. Prophecies often tell of the rise and fall of empires that don't even exist until hundreds or even thousands of years after the prophecies themselves were written.
---StrongAxe on 6/23/15


Thanks Cluny for telling me about Mima. I will keep him in my prayers
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15


Nicole, Mima left the blogs a few years ago.

After posting how God healed him, he had his feet amputated and had to start dialysis for diabetes-related kidney disease.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/15


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Thanks Cluny.

Mima if you are still blogging, do you even know what a Sacrament is, and the 7 types of Sacraments?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


Cluny: the ancient enclosed city of Rome is built on seven hills. Had John meant Athens or Jerusalem, there would have been no problem in making it clear, Revelations 11:8. Although, openly mentioning the destruction of Rome was a different matter, Revelations 14:8, 16:19, 17:5, 18:2, 10, 21.
p.s. Mecca was founded in the fourth century.
---Glenn on 6/21/15


\\The Roman church that sitteth on the 7 mounts.
---robert on 6/20/15\\

Wrong. Rome sits on NINE hills.

But Jerusalem and Mecca sit on SEVEN hills.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/15


Rev 17:9 the woman(church)Vatican sits on 7 mountains. the only church that has its own government, the smallest in the world. The Roman church that sitteth on the 7 mounts.
---robert on 6/20/15


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At the time Revelations 17:3, 6-7, 9, 18 was written, the people would have understood it to be Rome. The early Protestants thought most of these symbols pointed to Roman Catholicism.
---Glenn on 8/25/09


Let the Bible interpret itself first.
the woman is a city that reigns over the kings of the earth rev17:18.

the 7 heads are 7 mountains. you should use KJV textus receptus rather than corrupted vaticanus/siniaticus versions (this includes NKJV)

the woman sits on the 7 mountains. The vatican does not sit on 7 sacraments. why can't mountains be mountains? the bible says it is, as it is explaining its own metaphor.
---Jake on 8/22/09


Mima: Are you saying the seven hills, of which Rev. 17:9 actually calls "seven mountains", are in the city of Constantinople (ecclesiastically known as "New Rome", modern day Instanbul,Turkey)? Furthermore, are you saying this is where the Great Whore, in the Book of Revelation, sits?
---Leon on 8/11/07


Mark, Jesus sanctified Marriage, Baptism and confirmation are connected and both are described (see Acts 19:1-6), and Confession (Reconciliation), but remember that the whole Bible is inspired - Ordination (see 1 Tim. 4:13-14, and 1 Timothy 5:17-22).
Mark 6:13 and James 5:14 - annointing the sick (aka Extreme Unction).
The Eucharist was instituted at the Last Supper.
---lorra8574 on 8/11/07


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The answer to quiz I mentioned is Constantinople. The city of Constantinople sets on seven hills, once had a pope, there was two of them at the time one in Rome and one in Constantinople. And this is where the Greek Orthodox Church got its beginnings.
---mima on 8/11/07


Rev. 13:1: "I...saw a beast rise up 'out of the sea', having seven heads..."

Seven heads on the beast that rose up out of the sea:
1. Africa
2. Asia
3. Antartica
4. Europe
5. Australia
6. North America
7. South America

"Seven mountains" (Rev. 17:9), out of the sea, all hidden in plain sight.

Hmmmmm!!! :)
---Leon on 8/11/07


The Word is clear about where the antichrist will stand. He will stand at the temple mount which is definately not in Rome.He won't be a common person when he appears he will appear as"christ"in every way shape & form or how will he fool the masses that are expecting a "rapture". He is there to set up worship to himself in the very place that God so loves. The abomination of desolation will stand where he ought not. Does that sound like Rome to you? 85 words not enough to reply
---Trish on 7/29/07


The passage in Revelation is deliberately vague. Rome and Jerusalem are built on seven hills - so is San Francisco. It is presumptuous to jump to any conclusions based on this verse alone.

As for sacraments, I would like to hear someone provide chapter and verse on just where Jesus instituted 7 sacraments. I certinly don't ever remember reading anything about that anywhere. He spoke about baptism and confession of sins (and clarified some things about marriage), but that's all I can think of.
---Mark on 7/28/07


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MIMA::PLEASE dont keep fishing in deep waters or you may catch a killer whale,with horns.It won't be a repeat Jonah story.Jesus created the 7 sacraments for those who wish to follow in His footsteps & you sir are out of step.left right left, marching to the tune of the dead beat drummer.SATAN.
---Emcee on 7/28/07


How about A little quiz? What large city sits on seven hills and has been the home of a pope beside Rome? (JACK) it is unfair for you to answer this question.
---mima on 7/28/07


The seven sacraments could not be the seven hills because Jesus instituted all of them and the Harlot could sit on none of them. The seven hills help to identify Babylon as Pagan Rome.
---lorra8574 on 7/28/07


I agree with Robin, Rome is well known for it's 7 hills, Rome will be the seat of the Antichrist. The Apostate/World Church & the EU "the Ten Horns" (Rev.17:12)will work with the beast for a period of time until the EU attacks her(the Apostate Church), stripping her of power/influence (Rev.17:16,17). Some will say only Catholics make up the Apostate church, because of the 7 hills, No, both Catholic & Protestant alike make up the Apostate Church. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 7/22/07


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Paul, if it was all a lie then why did Jesus ratify them all in the New Testament?
---lorra8574 on 7/21/07


Rome sits on 7 hills.
---Robin on 7/21/07


Not at all, because the doctrine of seven sacraments is held by churches that never had anything to do with Rome.
---Jack on 7/21/07


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