richard, Yes, bodies of the same Christ: when I go to an apostolic pentecostal church, here is Christ: and when I go to an Assembly of God church, again, here is Christ. No matter which Christian denomination I go to, Christ dwells inside. Praise God! Hallelujah! my God reigns! The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof: Heaven is his throne, and the earth is his footstool. "I fill heaven and earth, says the Lord, how much more all these houses that are built up to me? Rejoice and be you all glad, lift me up among the people, and draw you all near up to me, and I will draw near to you," says the Lord.
---Eloy on 1/2/11|
Candice---Yes, we are to be followers of Jesus. Every denomination says the same thing. Yet they do not all have the same interpretation of what that means!
Not every difference is a HERESY. Differences in customs of worship or church organization are often of minor importance. Even some "minor" doctrines not concerning Salvation, can be charitably overlooked. They do not always mean a difference in Purpose!
God does not ask all His children to be alike. I don't think he expects absolute uniformity in His church, either.
---Donna66 on 1/2/11|
ELOY 1/2/11 Bodies of the same Christ?
There's One gospel ,One Lord, And all the churches are not saying the same thing. Eloy your the one that's saying divisions in a Church, That not what 1 CORINTHIANS 1:10 is saying ----- Read it -- NAME OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, YE ALL SPEAK THE SAME THING. And the denominations aren't saying the same things, because they ran the train off the tracks.
---RICHARDC on 1/2/11|
candice, the early church had structure also, a Pastor as the leader, the teachers, the musicians, etc. There is nothing wrong with having conventions to plan out the missions and directions and to settle issues that arise for the church. A church without stucture may be less effective in meeting their goals of outreach and things, and also a church with excessive structure may quench the Spirit and also be less effective.
---Eloy on 1/2/11|
Denominations are divided! Different churches have different church bylaws & ideas that God didn't ask us to do! He asked us to follow his son & that's it. not a panel of board members or if for example the southern baptist do it this way, the freewill aonther way yet the methodist do it their way. that itself is division.
---candice on 1/2/11|
francis, the various Christion denominations are not divisions, but bodies of the same one Christ, some churches are white, some spanish, some black, some asian, some liberal, some conservative: they are not divided, but all unified under the one Lordship of Christ. But as I said before not all denominations are Christian, eventhough they may have Christ as a figure in their group, yet they are idolaters whom blaspheme and disobey Christ.
---Eloy on 1/2/11|
Divisions in a church are Not denominations.
---Eloy on 1/1/11
But some would agrue that the " church" is made up of people of ALL denominations who love God.
Is that then not a division in the church?
Or are we limiting division to intracomgregational disputes?
---francis on 1/1/11|
ELOY 1/1/11 Division in the church - not denomination
There's should not be 100 different gospels out there,They should be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in same judgement,And there not.Baptist is different than RCC. and there different than the Lutheran and so on,People should really asking themselves whats going on.
1 CORINTHAINS 1:13 Is CHRIST divided? was Paul crucified for you, or were you bapized in the name of Paul.
---RICHARDC on 1/1/11|
Divisions in a church are Not denominations. A division inside a denomination is a disagreement or a dispute or an argument, as in a family all members within that family are suppose to get along and not be divided, because a house divided against itself cannot stand. But denominations, with Christ as the foundation and chief cornerstone are approved byu God.
---Eloy on 1/1/11|
To the natural mind the answer is yes. To the born-again spiritual mind the answer is no.
---mima on 1/1/11|
1 CORINTHAINS 1:10 Now I beseech you, berthren by the name of our Lord jesus Christ,that ye all speak The Same Thing,and that there be NO DIVISIONS among you,but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
---RICHARD on 1/1/11|
mY ANSWER IS THIS:
division are needed to show sho is approved of God aad who is not
1 Corinthians 11:18 I hear that there be divisions among you, and I partly believe it.
1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
---FRANCIS on 12/31/10|
That's why Orthodoxy is PRE-denominational.
---Cluny on 12/31/10|
Vain worship is useless worship.
Denominations follow man's commands and Christ taught such worship is vain or "in vain" to use exact words.
---Billy_Benson on 12/31/10|
Well I re-read some of my posts here from 3 years ago.I since left the Jw's, but as far as denominations, that itself is not right. The individuals can be wonderful people serving the lord,but when you put labels in front of Christ instead of coming together & serving Christ this is where it gets ugly. It is better to serve the Lord with a few in fellowship at home without a denominational name & with a common goal then it is to dispute over different denominational names.
---Candice on 12/31/10|
Yes, denominations are recorded in the scriptures, as I have cited below, and denominations exist today. As long as a denomination is Christian it is wholly acceptable, no matter if it is apostolic such as I adhere to, or whether it is baptist or methodist or another Christian denomination, it does not matter. Some people drive chevrolet cars and some ford cars and some general motor cars, but each is a car: some people prefer vanilla ice cream and some chocolate ice cream and some strawberry ice cream, but each is ice cream: some like loud and lively church and some like quiet and reserved church, but each is a church service.
---Eloy on 12/31/10|
"Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:19) But divisions can help to keep wrong people in some kind of order, wrong churches can be fishing holes, and make the real leaders look good > "For there must be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you." (1 Corinthians 11:19)
---Bill_willa6989 on 12/31/10|
Church denominations are not what God wants from us - He would like all the church united as one
But if was are happy with other denominations (I'm Baptised Lutheran, confirmed Anglican, sometimes attend Presbyterian, sometimes Anglican, sometimes Orthodos church), I think there is little trouble
The problems is (a) if one denomination has strange beliefs, or (b) differen denominations think the other is 'not Christian'
---Peter on 12/31/10|
Denominations are NOT scriptual, but man-made. The Bible ONLY talks about two groups - Jews and Gentiles. In Bible days (O.T. & N.T.) denominations did NOT exist. They only started in the past couple of centeries.
---Leslie on 12/31/10|
Yes. The Nazarene denomination is still applied to Christians today in Palestine. Denominations: "But there rose up certain of the denomination of the Pharisees...And when Paul perceived that the one denomination were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council...For we have found this man pestilent, and a creator of dissension among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the denomination of the Nazarenes. Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most strictest denomination of our religion I lived a Pharisee. But we desire to hear of you what you think for as concerning this denomination, we know that every where it is spoken against." Acts 15:5+ 23:6+ 24:5+ 26:5.
---Eloy on 12/31/10|
No denominations are not, and yet they are biblical. Paul rebuked the corinthians because one said I'm from Paul, another said i'm from Apollo and still others said I'm from Peter and I'm from Jesus here we see that denominations formed since the beginning, now Paul did not tell them they where wrong, he only pointed them out that all denominations are Christ's. anything that does not follow the true doctrine of the church. is nott another denomination, they are the synagogue of the devil.
---andy3996 on 12/30/10|
Not all demonations that base there religion on Christ is Christian. There are many cults that call themselves Christian and use the bible. When a JW knocked on my door I bowed my head a prayed and they left. I asked why are you leaving? They said I was praying to a different God than they do. JW is just one of the cult religions.
---Pastor_Herb on 12/29/10|
No denominations aren't Biblical
---michael_e on 12/28/10|
All can speak to God themselves.
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent,
The one who died made this possible.
And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
Catholics believe Mary the mother of god!
Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost
Luk 1:43 the mother of my Lord
Now is Christ God?
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM
Act 7:38 spake to him in the mount Sina
God bless Israel
---Frank on 10/5/08|
They seem to be more about man than about God.
---Martin_nz on 10/4/08|
Eloy :-I shall agree to disagree with You.But leave you with Gods word "He who Humbles himself shall be exalted"Need I say more!
---Mic on 10/4/08|
catholics beleive you can talk to God through the virgin Mary. jews do not beleive jesus is the messiah.
---james on 9/30/08
James, I am Catholic and I can talk to God without Mary.
But, if you can get your friend to pray to God for you, I can ask the mother of Jesus to speak to God.
At least I know Mary is Saved.
You are not 100% sure about your friend.
---Nicole on 10/2/08|
A little study will prove that---james is correct about both the RCC and the Jews.
---mima on 10/2/08|
james, the RCC is a Christ-based religion, so that makes it part of Christianity. Any faith that is based on Christ IS Christianity.
Definition of denomination - A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy.
I am not Catholic, but I don't agree with people who claim to be Christian turn around and bash other religious organizations just because they don't worship Christ the way they do. The Word says it is WRONG.
You really need to read Romans chapter 14- it says this. God Bless you brother!
---ginger on 10/2/08|
.mic, I witness God alive. God is overwhelming love, and God's heart is much larger than your thoughts of preconceiving his own pleasures.
---Eloy on 10/2/08|
Ginger, catholicism is not a denomination it is a totaly different religion than christianity. just like christianity and judeaism are completely different religions. all christian denominations beleive jesus is the messiah and no one can talk to God except through him. catholics beleive you can talk to God through the virgin Mary. jews do not beleive jesus is the messiah.
---james on 9/30/08|
Eloy :-Inspite of your doggedness in explaining the different denominations as compared to decorative houses one thing is Missing "LOVE OF GOD "HIS WAY"-THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS NOT MANS WAY"
---MIC on 9/30/08|
Different Christian denominations are like different Christian styles. All houses are not decorated the same, neither do all rooms in the house have an equal function. While some of God's children manifest more love for Christ than others, he still loves his children and desires all to express wholehearted love and worship to Jesus. I have visited many denominations, black, white, and brown cultures, as well as the differing Statements of Faith that each one believes. Some churches have Jesus inside their church, and some do not: some have the thick cloud of the Holy Spirit, and some do not. And I can always tell whether God is in the house, or not.
---Eloy on 9/29/08|
No,not really,We are one in Christ.The reason I believe that there are denominations is that people just like diffirent styles of worship.diffirent rules and traditions but we're just supposed to be one in Christ period-IMHO and yes I'm guilty too.I like lively pentecostal worship.
---shirley on 9/29/08|
Denominations as far as I know are not scriptural,only the levels of the knowledge of God are scriptural- Romans 14. I don't claim a denomination, but I try not to disrespect those that have one. This is the Christian thing to do. We must not judge each other, because the true faith is the belief that Christ died and defeated death by rising from the dead just to SAVE us. Christ died for our sins. Do we agree that this happened? YES we do. Should I judge my brother/sister for practicing their worship in a different way-Baptist, Catholic, etc? No. I do not know what is in their heart-only God does. ginge7376
---ginger on 9/29/08|
Denominations are NOT Biblical. Jesus did NOT come to start denominations or religion. Jesus came to start HIS CHURCH and the KINGDOM (government) of GOD on Earth. We as Christians are called to do the same.
---Leslie on 9/29/08|
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
I saw seven angels holding seven candlesticks.
You will come to one saying, do I belong here!
Thinking of helping, being higher or lower!
Your brother will say to you, no you belong there!
You will say to your brother, you belong there!
You will say to yourself, to whom do I belong.
But pick, if you be able!
I say, hear and remember!
This guy is nuts! Yes!
Remember he told you!
I saw only seven!
Your brother in the faith of Christ!
---Frank on 9/29/08|
The Holy Spirit which Jesus promised 'did Come to His Church and its adherents'.That same Holy spirit has NOT CHANGED AND STILL WATCHES OVER JESUS CHURCH AND His doctrines.'Tis a pity man still plods along His OWN WAY, but yet Thinks He follows Jesus ' ways.There are many who still walk His way"I know My Sheep and Mine know ME".
---MIC on 9/29/08|
candice_You should be more careful in which books you chose to " " from...
Especially Johns book of Rev.7:
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to HURT the EARTH and the SEA,
3 Saying, HURT NOT the EARTH, neither the SEA, nor the trees, TILL we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
The 144,000(12 stars/tribes) aren't in Heaven, they flee from the AC into the Desert!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/29/08|
Denominations are man-made. Matt 15 v 9. God's Church was born on the day of Pentecost,according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20. The hundred & forty-four thousand is the Jewish people that finally see's that Jesus Christ IS the Mesiah & accepts Him during the time of the anti-christ in & during the great tribulation.
---Lawrence on 9/29/08|
No, they are man made.Thnk about it, in revelations it says 144,000 will be in heaven (not counting the unnumbered in the new earth) & now there is over 144,000 different religions~denominations. Most have the same message but want to put their "denomination"on top of that & God is not boxed into a building.
---candice on 9/29/08|
and if the apostles were here we would be one denomination, but with time and an increased population that reflects differences in interpretation the natural outgrowth is denominations. We are all seeking truth.
The original churches were corrupted if they ever came back to scripture there would likely be an influx of believers.
---Andrea on 8/22/07|
no thats wrong,revelation talks about the churches in different cities. it doesn,t say the baptist church or the luthern church,or the non denominational church,or the weslyan church.TO THE CHURCH it says.there is only one church,its in different cities today also,but it isn,t denominational.
---tom2 on 8/18/07|
in a sense its not fair to compare the early church to todays churches. The sheer numbers are staggering - the early church had one church in each city and each one of those churches was influenced by their culture - apostles/leaders so just geographicly and population demands separation. And as long as we have one head which is Christ we are fine.
---Andrea on 8/18/07|
No! From being 1st called 'Christians' in Acts 11:26 instead of followers, disciples, etc, to the seven 'geographical' churches in Revelations. One faith varying in worship, understanding, etc because of geographics & 'grafted' in gentiles [wild olive branches].
Denominations are man made!
Four gospels, 23 epistles, same message addressing one church, different people & circumstances!
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 8/17/07|
Candice - -hi > to my knowledge, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe Jesus resurrected had a body which had been physical before being resurrected. AND they believe the new heaven and new earth will be physical, but I offer Romans 8:21 shows the new heaven and earth will be in "the glorious liberty of the children of God"...this with Philippians 3:21, showing me ALL will be resurrectional in quality.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/17/07|
Leon I'm jealous.
Can I have a toy toooooo
too much of a good thing loses its flavor but its nice to get a break in the threads.
---Andrea on 8/16/07|
Actually, Leon does have an egotistical issue. He thinks he's being creative and knowledgable about attracting attention to his posts. Jesus was a simple carpenter.
---Steveng on 8/15/07|
As for denominations. Just reading these blogs, any one of you can start a church/denomination, one of over 330,000 in the world. If everyone had their way, there would be over 3 billion. You can read about the seven denominations at the beginning of Revelation.
---Steveng on 8/15/07|
Andrea...I thought I had read that the Mormons teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Do the JW's teach that too? Nevertheless...they are both cults and you are right...cults always have a measure of the truth with a whole lot of lies mixed in. So sad that many fall for them :-(
---Holly4jc on 8/15/07|
Candice all cults have a piece of truth. Why settle for a piece?
The saddest people I ever meet who proclaim they are Christian are JWs.
they can't take communion bc they might take a seat that doesn't belong to them.
They teach Jesus and Satan are brothers - Jesus is a god
only 144,000 get to go to heaven yet there are millions of members - how did they fix this doctrine - they change the paper work so often I'm surprised they're still Jehovah Witness
---Andrea on 8/15/07|
It seems that since revelations speaks to seven very different churches - that God was well aware that we would have denominations. Some good - some not so good.
---Andrea on 8/13/07|
Yes it is scriptural, for God is not desiring each individual to be an exact carbon copy of every other individual. The "brand" of Christian we are depends upon whom we are, some poeple are liberal and some conservative, some extrovert and some shy, some like music and some don't. The main thing is, is your denomination Christian, worshipping and obeying Christ, or not. It is evident that there are true denominations, and then there are denominations which are not even Christian at all.
---Eloy on 8/13/07|
thats a fact.
I still say God can't stand us being saved - sanctified and right too.
so He lets us muck around where we can't do to much damage while we're looking for the real Jesus.
---Andrea on 8/13/07|
nope,thats a man thing because people cant agree on anything.
---tom2 on 8/12/07|
Andera dear as much as you disagree with the Jw doctrine they are right scriptually about a new earth for the bibel says " & the NEW Heavens AND A NEW EARTH are made" as far as the numbers it was my father whom is very into the bible was giving an example & so was I, the numbers aren't to be taken literally, but the point is for every 1 good church there are 3 bad ones, good or bad there are MANY churches.
---candice on 7/29/07|
I don't have any problem reading Leon's posts.
Mrs. Morgan, your answers are visually difficult to read.
Feel free to use me as your target. I don't agree with your blood teachings. I am older than yourself and I have been a witness to religious error in the Church.
---Jenny on 7/28/07|
Mrs. Morgan, I find your continuous emphasis, obsessive. Why do you need so much attention drawn to what you're saying above and beyond anyone else?
It's crying wolf. Use constant emphasis/boldness and after awhile, no one pays any attention to whatever you're saying. Your posts are extremely difficult to read. It's bunched so tight with so many html commands, I usually move on.
---Davis on 7/28/07|
Mrs._Morgan: Obviously, you're not one of the "some folks" you referenced. Good!!! :D
Thanks for the warning, but, I'm on a mission & desperate situations call for desperate measures. If it would help folks better "comprehend" I'd use animated stick drawings to make a point. :)
---Leon on 7/28/07|
Mrs. Morgan - No need for sarcasm. Leon's post is perfectly readable. Your posts have not been readable at all because you go to great lengths to use CAPITALS and emphasis and underlining ALL IN THE ONE POST. Have a good day.
---Helen_5378 on 7/27/07|
Denominations are not scriptural. But the use of a church name or type is not "anti" scriptural either. With that said, the real question is why people use their denominational name to describe themselves to others... Okay, I'm a Christian that attends a________ church. This discussion is right up there with calling one's self a Spanish-Floridian-American or etc.
---mikefl on 7/27/07|
Leon, Some folks might complain that your post is "too hard to comprehend", with your underlining, bold type & uh oh...animation(LOL), it happened to me several times, just warning you :D God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 7/27/07|
To---Phil_the_Elder how does your statements about the elect agree with God's Word(whosoever) used many times in the Scriptures. Does a chosen few sound like or agree with whosoever?
---Mima on 7/27/07|
Greetings law, I have one question to ask you...Why do you judge me FRIEND? Matt.7:1 Judge not , that ye be not judged.
---Cynthia on 7/27/07|
why do you ask? why not go and find out yerself? why such competitive questions..why not share what you believe as truth? Are you scriptural friend? Are you obeying God's commandments as we all should? why worry about what others are doing..why not make sure your right in Christ friend?
---law on 7/27/07|
Pleeeze! Are all baptist or RCC or...?
There are many different parts (components, members) in the Church (Body of Christ) with Jesus being the Head over all. The "Body" is joined together (1 Cor. 1:10) in a Spirit of cooperation regardless of functional (denominational?) differences.
---Leon on 7/26/07|
They were first called Christians in Antioch and then many other names down through history. We are now called Baptist. We are not a denomination. We are Christians that preach the same truth as the early church.
---Pastor_Herb on 7/25/07|
Jesus said unto Peter, "You are Rock, and upon this Rock I will build my Church." Then Jesus went on give Peter the keys to the Church saying that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church on which was built by Peter and originated by Jesus.
---JD on 7/25/07|
Candice dear thats not what the Bible says. 144,000 are 12,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel and there will be multitudes in heaven. I hate this JW doctrine - so many think they can't make it to heaven. there is plenty of room for you too. God Bless.
---Andrea on 7/25/07|
As far as denominations - the early church had no name they were labeled by location. We are to be followers of Christ and any denomination we attend is secondary. This is more a doctrinal and logistical matter - not an essential to your salvation.
---Andrea on 7/25/07|
There are many divisions and denominations. everyone fights and teaches different doctrines. I remember the scripture, some said they belong to the church of John, Enoch, etc. Jesus answered, if they say they are theirs, they are not his sheep. There is only one church of Jesus Christ and people that love him follow him in faith and righteousness. not bigotry, hatred for others, jealousy, self righteousness, indulging in sins of the world. they love him with all their heart and show it through example.
---Lori on 7/25/07|
Absolutely notThey are an abomination and are false religions which is why they are denominations in the first place.Paul said that'they left us because they were not of us.All of the denominations including RCC twists the truth to cause factions in direct opposition to Christs teaching. False teachers,prophets,pastors and wolves in sheeps clothing have done this to the church over time and we were born into it and decieved.Now it must be brought to light.It is the Apostcy!Christs Doctrine has been lost.
---jody on 7/25/07|
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What Phil and most pop-evangical/fundamentalist do is support a form of gnosticism. The idea of today's American fundamentalism is 'everyone is their own church.' This is more a cultural outgrowth of say Emerson than theology. The fact is in the primative church there were Bishops, teachers, etc which comprise a 'denomination,' a simple a fact that is ignored by fundamentalist today.
---MikeM on 7/25/07|
Denominations are a political reality of religion. Any one who does not understand that is foolish. In scripture you have always had groups. The tribes of Israel, divergence in Judaism Orthodox, conservative, reformed & Messianic. There is absolutely nothing a person can do to qualify for salvation, it is a gift that God alone grants according to his personal choices. There are the elect and the non elect God is free to use both in any way he chooses but only the elect achieve salvation.
---Phil_the_Elder on 7/25/07|
Isn't it strange that most of them call for unity in the church when every one of them is a division in themselves.
---john on 7/24/07|