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Are Harry Potter Books Unethical

How can the Harry Potter books be considered "unethical" for witchcraft and wizardry if C.S. Lewis, one of the worlds greatest christian authors wrote about a witch, wizards, and beasts in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe?

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Terrible question!
I say it's more a devisionary question than a conqueror- The better question here is "Is it advisable for Christians to read the series" where the answer might be ...

"If you think it's ok to ask your children to believe one supernatural-idea while eliminating other possibilites from them, no. I don't reccommend these books for the single minded reader"

or


"Absolutely! These books show comradary seriously lacking in Christianity. We also see characters faced with ethical questions like 'is it ok to do ... just because I'm with
'good' or is ... wrong and always wrong no matter who you are?"

The question is centered on the idea of magick not ethics.
---Eden on 1/27/09


they are evil and filled with the work of the devil. Incantations, witches, worlocks etc.. all point to the evil one..the devil.
Teaching confusion and falsehoods.
making wrong seem right and twisting what is right altogether.

don't waste your time with harry, there are good Christian movies to see.. The Nativity, Bella, Noel and many more.
---paul on 12/12/08


I will still tell you again, god bless you brother.
The thing is you are not Jesus. I question your reasons for the rebuke as you call because of the words you use.
It feels like malice just as it does for you condemning the rcc. Brother it is still not our place to judge.
Jesus, made plenty of examples as to what to do in this instance. All in the NT.
You are not my master, Jesus is. Were He standing in front of me, He probably would not say anything because of what is in my heart. Brother, you can't tell?
You have seen my posts, when have I condemned anyone or spoken with malice? You can tell a Christian by the fruit they show.
I thank you for your prayers!
---ginger on 10/20/08


ginger: "Your choice is your choice and I do not condemn you for it."

You would say this same thing if Jesus was standing in front of you telling you what I just told you for what I told you is from the mouth of God. Resisting truth much like the Jews did during Jesus' time. In fact, the Christians today are walking the same road as the Jews did - that they did not recognize Him. Since you ignored my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I will surely pray to God for you in the name of Jesus.
---Steveng on 10/18/08


Brother(steven) do you think I have not prayed about it. How else would I be able to answer you honestly.
I feel no conviction from God by reading something that is non-fiction. I am not influenced by something brother that I know is not real. This is not just through reality but also spiritual.
Read my post about Shakespeare.
There are many writers who write about fiction that are Christian. Brother, you do not know my heart, but God does. That is what matters.
Your choice is your choice and I do not condemn you for it.
---ginger on 10/17/08




ginger: "...stop trying to make me change it [my opinion] just because I disagree with you"

It's not me that you are disagreeing with, it's God's Word.

As for judging, not only is it permissible, its a responsibility. Our Lord cautioned his followers not to judge self-righteously, but also counseled them to make judgments based on right standards. Are we not to judge false prophets whose teachings and whose behavior lead people astray? The verse you, and many Christians, often quote, "Judge not or you too will be judged," is taken out of context. You see, I dont mind being judged by humans because the final judge is by God Himself. Everything I say is not my opinion, its Scripture. Take up what I say with God.
---Steveng on 10/16/08


Nicole: "RCC cares about EVERYBODY hearing the WHOLE Bible."

Is that why RCC tried to hide the Word of God with a language no one knew - Latin? Sure, RCC want everyone to learn the Bible using their interpretation (the catechism), just like Mormons, Seventh Day Adventist and the JW's use their own books.

"It might take 15 to 20yrs to hear the whole Bible."

Todays people don't have 15 to 20 years to study the Bible. As soon as Christians are baptised, they should go out into the world and start populating the Kingdom of God. Do not become only hearers of the Word, but doers also. What must Christians do now? Do an online bible search for "one another" and "each other" to get started.
---Steveng on 10/16/08


The RCC did pretend to come down on witchcraft but at the same time promoting it in the highest places. This is verifiable fact. Just do the research. Astrology and alchemy used wrongly are two main signs of witchcraft. Astrology and alchemy used correctly can be a great blessing.
---frances008 on 10/16/08


My father was not a strict disciplinarian, but there was no way at age 7, or until I could get library books out on my own, that I could get my hands on witchcraft or occult books. The father is the head of the family, and should be in control of what information is entering the household, and what influences. A 7 year old does not know what is good for them. He needs telling and there need to be some rules about appropriate reading literature.
---frances008 on 10/16/08


frances - *Lee, the Bible clearly says 'Do not suffer a witch to live''. That is how much God hates the occult.

Yes, the ecclesiastical establishments have over the centuries murdered thousands that they have accused of witchcraft and confiscated their possession.

While the Bible ordered the destruction of those that practice witchcraft where in it does it define what a witch is?

While it is easy to see that those that practice necromancy are dealing with the occult, what else defines what a witch is?
---Lee1538 on 10/16/08




steven, it is funny how you gave Luke 6:42 as a reference but you judge me.
I hope you see this, brother.
No, I am not judging you just bringing attention to the fact of you judging me.
You have not been reading my post all the way through either.
Brother, I am stong in the Word of God and I give him all the glory and the praises.
I also know the difference between fiction and non-fiction, fact and non-fact when it comes to reading a book. There are books for entertainment and books for learning.
I suppose the reading of William Shakespear should be condemned too?
I don't think so. Lots of his plays show morality and teach to do right and not wrong and the consequences.
He also wrote on witchcraft.
---ginger on 10/16/08


steven, I did not say I tell my children not to read it. I said my children are not ready to read it. My son is only 7, if he chooses to read it later in life, I am fine with it.
I did not say I would tell others to read it.
I said if you don't approve, don't read it.
So, brother, who is being judgemental here?
not me.
I refuse to point the finger at anyone and say "YOU ARE WRONG".
I have said many times that this is matter of opinion.
I have heard yours, and appreciate it but it is not mine and I ask that you stop trying to make me change it just because I disagree with you.
God bless you brother!
---ginger on 10/16/08


frances008:

You are good at good at seeing beyond "media hype". Remember in past centuries, when hysteria seemed to rule (many feared Satan more than God), many innocents, mostly women, were accused of witchcraft and condemned for it, just for growing some herbs or owning some cats. Also, some accusations came because women owned property that powerful men coveted, and it was easier to accuse them and burn them and sieze their land. Since survivors write histories, wrongly-condemned innocents are viewed as villains.

(I'm not saying that some weren't guilty, just that many were wrongly accused, just like the communist witch-hunts in America in the 50s).
---StrongAxe on 10/16/08


Lee1538, Vatican II started in 1960.
So this list of Forbidden books such as the Bible is ridiculous.
Catholics had Bibles in their homes before 1960

RCC cares about EVERYBODY hearing the WHOLE Bible.
The RCC knows some people CAN'T OR WON'T read their Bible.
Set CHAPTERS read from the Gospels, OT, and NT after the Gospels during Mass. Complete Bible within 3 years.

Why forbid a Bible, but force us to hear SO MUCH OF THIS FORBIDDEN BIBLE EVERY WEEK?

Preachers read 3 to 5 verses and preach on it for one hour.
It might take 15 to 20yrs to hear the whole Bible.
Thats if the Preacher decides HE WANTS To preach on a verse.
---Nicole on 10/16/08


ginger: "how is it you claim to know what I am doing when you do not know me?"

Just by the fact you do something and you tell your child not to do it tells me a quite a bit about you.

"why is it if someone has a difference of opinion... this is a topic that is opinion based.I really apreciate your opinion but mine is different. That is it."

It's the end times. Jesus is returning very soon. This is not a time for "opinions." Satan is using everything at his disposal to attrack impressionalbe children into the web of the occult.
---Steveng on 10/15/08


ginger:

We now have hundreds of thousands of children who has an interest in the occult and it's adults like you (even Christian adults) who put their stamp of approval on HP. We have tens of thousands of children actively participating in the occult because of HP. How do you suppose HP got to be so popular so quickly? It sure wasn't a good marketing plan. It was Satan himself.

Sure, go ahead, spread the good news that HP won't harm children. Spread the news that Johny now has an interest in reading which he didn't before. You are part of the prophesy by calling something bad good. You will be held accountable at Judgement Day.
---Steveng on 10/15/08


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Lee, the Bible clearly says 'Do not suffer a witch to live''. That is how much God hates the occult. Why would you give children the spiritual equivalent of arsnic in their diet? In the past, witches and wizards were evil people, but gradually, since Tolkein and suchlike people, they have been doing an image job on these people to make them more attractive. Is not this much worse than the old traditions of Snow White or Hansel and Gretel. Suddenly it is okay to be a witch or wizard, nay, it is GOOD to be one. This is all wrong and if you cannot see it you lack discernment.
---frances008 on 10/15/08


Nicole:
Yes, some people can be real "spelling and grammar Nazis". I used to be like that myself when I was in my 20s, but fortunately since then I've learned to put things in their proper perspective a bit better, and grown out of that. Focusing on spelling and grammar ABOVE what is being said is stressing form over content - straining on gnats and swallowing camels, just the kind of things the Pharisees loved to do.
---StrongAxe on 10/14/08

That is okay.
That is what makes the world go round.
One is good at grammar.
Another at spelling.
One at History.
We all can be different and still communicate with each other.
If one is too sensitive, they need not blog on this website.
Not for the weak soul.
---Nicole on 10/15/08


steven, how is it you claim to know what I am doing when you do not know me?
nicole, also.
why is it if someone has a difference of opinion you start spewing fire on them and judging them.
nicole says she knows or questions how my parents raised me.
steven says he knows I am judging people who commit murder.
Like I have said many, many times, this is a topic that is opinion based.
I really apreciate your opinion but mine is different. That is it.
---ginger on 10/15/08


*Lee, I didn't get what you got from Ginger's post. She seems to be saying the same thing as the 'Old Roman Church' as you call Her.

Perhaps the reference here is to Pre & Post Vatican II church, the former being termed 'the Old Roman Church'.

The List of Forbidden Books (which included the Bible), was designed to keep people from reading certain books containing information (or penned by authors) that Rome deemed heretical.

Rome in the past always regarded themselves as the sole possessor of truth but their interpretations often found conflicts with the scientific world as all too many of their teachings were based upon Aristotle or simply superstition (like changing bread into the actual body of Christ).
---Lee1538 on 10/15/08


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Lee1538:

Ooh! Excellent reference! I'll have to remember that one!


Nicole:

Yes, some people can be real "spelling and grammar Nazis". I used to be like that myself when I was in my 20s, but fortunately since then I've learned to put things in their proper perspective a bit better, and grown out of that. Focusing on spelling and grammar ABOVE what is being said is stressing form over content - straining on gnats and swallowing camels, just the kind of things the Pharisees loved to do.
---StrongAxe on 10/14/08


ginger, you are judging someone when they are doing something wrong. Wrong according to whose laws? A certain person murders someone and believes he deserves to be dead. He believes he was right to murder that person, you believe he was wrong. You are judging whether you think so or not.

Do an online bible search for the word "judg" (yes, without the letter "e") Most of the words concern judgements from God, but many are man judging man like Ezekiel22:2, Ezekiel23:45, Ezekiel24:14, Daniel9:12, Amos5:15, Matthew12:18, John7:24, 1Corinthians2:15, 1Corinthians6:2-5, 1Corinthians10:15

It's amazing how Christians say Mathew 1 and 3-7 and skip verse 2. And also read carefully Luke 6:42
---Steveng on 10/14/08


Lee, I didn't get what you got from Ginger's post. She seems to be saying the same thing as the 'Old Roman Church' as you call Her.

As a Christian, yes, I can bring attention to what I believe is a sin when a fellow Christian commits it...To bring attention to an issue is not the same as judging.
---ginger on 10/14/08

When your parents gave you a list of 'don't and do's', did you think they were wrong or that they love you?
That they were trying to protect you from the
consequences?
But, you still have the choice to do as you wish.

The RCC is a good Mother.
She is only protecting us from consequences from harmful books.
Whats wrong with that?

No Swiss guard with me at the Book Store!
---Nicole on 10/14/08


Lee, you indeed love to pull words out of content.

It is okay if I misspell a word or get the title wrong.
I had to have been close, because AlanUK was able to correct me, knowing the true title.
It wasn't my first mistake. Nor will it be my last.
THE EARTH WILL CONTINUE TO CIRCLE THE SUN.
---Nicole on 10/12/08

TOPIC: I made a mistake
PROBLEM: None- the Earth continues to stay in place moving in the same direction.
In other words, my mistake wasn't earth moving.

ADVISORY: I will make more mistakes.
SOLUTION: Relax. NO BIG DEAL
AlanUK, Mic and others will help explain my mistakes.

I AM GRATEFUL FOR THEM.
I do not, nor claimed to have a degree in English.

GO IN PEACE.
---Nicole on 10/14/08


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Very good ginger, some of these people want to re-create the old list of forbidden books like what we had in the old Roman Church.

Col. 2:20-22 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulationsDo not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch, Do not read (referring to things that all perish as they are used)according to human precepts and teachings?
---Lee1538 on 10/14/08


steveng, I suppose we should not read the newspaper or watch the news either since it is full of evil truths about the world?
Are you saying if you read something, you are automatically polluted by it?

Also, I do not presume to judge anyone because it is not my job. Maybe judge is too harsh of a word to use.

As a Christian, yes, I can bring attention to what I believe is a sin when a fellow Christian commits it. The question is do they believe they are sinning?
To bring attention to an issue is not the same as judging.
As Christians, we are not even suppose to judge people who are still in sin.
---ginger on 10/14/08


Leslie, no one said that Harry Potter was biblical. So "get the beam out of your own eye, before you try to get the speck out of your brother's or sister's"

and Trav, so you are saying that the only book we are ever suppose to read is the Bible?
How many of us Christians can say that?
None of us.
"Ye without sin cast the first stone"
All everyone has here is opinions but no respect for your fellow Christians. This is a perception on my part.
We must remember that on a subject like this all we have Truly is opinion because they are books. NOT ACTIONS committed by any real person.
If it offends you, then don't read them. But do not judge others who do.
God bless and keep you all!
---ginger on 10/14/08


Nicole - *THE EARTH WILL CONTINUE TO CIRCLE THE SUN.

If you lived back in the time of Galilei Galileo (17th Century)you would have believed that the earth did NOT revolve around the sun simply because the 'infallible' pope said so!

And there are scripture references to the belief that the earth revolved around the sun.

Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 include text stating that "the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved."

In the same tradition, Psalm 104:5 says, "the LORD set the earth on its foundations, it can never be moved."

Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place, etc."
---Lee1538 on 10/13/08


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Leslie - *Some of you may even be demon possessed because of watching or reading Harry Potter - this is what can happen to those who watch and read these kinds of things.

We have yet to see anyone that has become demonic possessed from reading Harry Potter or any other book on fantasy. Perhaps all you have is what some bloat told you from a pulpit.

Of course, I can agree with you that the mentally unstable that are unable to distinguish between reality and fantasy should not read books.

---Lee1538 on 10/13/08


Leslie: I have said I have watched Harry Potter movies and I know for a fact that I am not demon possessed in anyway. I don't have time to compare things to God's word. Because nothing compares to God's word. So I can assure you that I am not possessed by demons nor does evil influence me in anyway. StevenQ said it best, anything can be evil if you make it out to be. I honestly believe that Harry Potter books/movies was not evil inspired. If that be the case does that mean that the magicians on TV are demon possessed like David Blaine or Criss Angel? I've seen how they do some of the stuff, and if one watches closely to what they do, they can figure it out how they do some of the stuff.
---Rebecca_D on 10/13/08


ginger: "judge not least ye be judged... Remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from your neighbors."

If you saw a Christian who sinned, would you just stand by and not bring it up to his attention? If you did just stand by, you would be as guilty as that person.
---Steveng on 10/13/08


Satan comes as an angel of light: do good, but without God.

Did Harry Potter say anything that his powers were from God? No. He performed "miracles" without God. And didn't even do it "in the name of Jesus." He performed his magic in the name of himself. Sure, HP may appear to be good, but even "good" nonChristians fight against the evils of this world.

Children think being a Harry Potter is more exciting than being a boring Christian. We have brought our children (and even many of our adults) up in a culture of excitment. TV programs are exciting, video games are exciting. You name it it should be exciting or it isn't life. And it must be done NOW.
---Steveng on 10/13/08


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"...and done it in such a way that you don't even realize that you are being lied to"

If the Devil were so good at deceiving people, perhaps he would instill his sort of values into something that didn't involve witches and spells? I mean ... it seems kind of obvious.

Also, how many people read the books and think witches are real? Do you not think people can differentiate between fiction and non-fiction? Most people know witches don't exist to begin with, so after watching the movie, they still don't believe in witches, so where did the deception by the Devil occur?
---liam on 10/13/08


Leslie:

I ask once again - where do you get your information about the specific contents of the second and third heavens? It certainly isn't from the Bible (If so, please cite chapter and verse, and I will apologize). If you are getting it from somewhere else, please let us know where, so we can verify the validity of that source.

I would be happy to be able to agree with you, however, I won't just believe things on other people's say-so without any corroborating evidence, I have said this in the past several times (in particular, to frances008).

In Acts 17:11, the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if the things Paul taught them were true - they didn't just take his word for them.
---StrongAxe on 10/13/08


For ALL the people that believe that Harry Potter is Biblical and not demonic, and for ALL the people that do not believe in the 2nd or 3rd Heavens - you ARE VERY MUCH DECIEVED. The Devil HAS LIED to you, and done it in such a way that you don't even realize that you are being lied to. That is the way of the DEVIL. The DEVIL comes as an ANGEL of LIGHT, but is REALLY a ROARING LION seeking whom he may DEVOUR - which he can easily devour all of you who are believing his lies as truth. BE WARNED, before it is TOO LATE. Some of you may even be demon possessed because of watching or reading Harry Potter - this is what can happen to those who watch and read these kinds of things.
---Leslie on 10/13/08


...that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?



11Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself
---Trav on 10/13/08


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Thank you StrongAxe! I could not have said it better myself. But yet, others, brother would choose to judge us for this point of view. I, like you choose to look at those parts of any book I read. I also emphasize these when instructing my children.
My son(who is 7) likes Superman and all the other superheroes. I tell him that powers like that are false, but that the morality that they portray is real. To do good and be kind, generous, truthful, and all of the other fruits of the Spirit.
But others would say I am teaching my son and daughter(she is 14) wrong by teaching them these fruits.
---ginger on 10/13/08


No, I am not that type of parent. So brother, judge not least ye be judged.
I do not have to explain myself to you, brother. I forgive you for your judgement and refuse to argue because you do not know anything about me or I, you. I will only say that it is very un-Christ like to point the finger when you have no information about who I am at all. You presume to give your opinion just from my post here, when you should not.
Remove the beam from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from your neighbors.
My Lord in Heaven knows my heart and everything else about me. I appreciate your opinion, but that is all it is.... Your opinion.
God Bless you StevenG!
---ginger on 10/13/08


Since you got the title wrong, I have to wonder how much you know of anything.---frances008 on 10/8/08

Yes, I forgot the title, but I still know the storyline.
It is about a nephew who getting advice from his uncle(higher status demon) on how to trick and control humans.
The uncle gives advice on how to make someone sin without realizing he is sinning.
Read the Chorincles of Narnia.
You will have no doubt of Lewis' faith in God.

It is okay if I misspell a word or get the title wrong.
I had to have been close, because AlanUK was able to correct me, knowing the true title.
It wasn't my first mistake. Nor will it be my last.
THE EARTH WILL CONTINUE TO CIRCLE THE SUN.
---Nicole on 10/12/08


frances008:

What are the Harry Potter books really about? They are books about heroism and loyalty and bravery and truth in a constant battle with villainy, treachery, betrayal, and deceit - that is, just like every other heroic morality tale. The magical and fantasy elements are incidental to that.

Fairy tales are the same - you can look at Cinderella as a tale of perseverence in adversity, and the power of love - or you can ignore these and focus only on the danger of the fairy godmother and her magic. The choice is yours.
---StrongAxe on 10/10/08


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ginger: So, you are the type of parent that says to their children "Do as I say, not as I do." Children learn more by what you do than what you say. Parents are to set an example, to walk the talk. It's not only an abomination to practice witchcraft, et al, but even the appearance is an abomination.

OK, so you say you haven't introduced the HP books to your children. Have you considered the other avenues where HP books are available? His friend's house, the libraries, schools (even many Christians schools), advertisements, people talk about it, advertised in the Scholastic Book Club, et al. When children see other children get excited about a book, they become just as excited.
---Steveng on 10/10/08


*That is, do you believe that human beings can obtain supernatural powers that exert a physical effect on their environment by willing it or by saying some words?

No that has never been my observation. You find things like that in folklore that cannot be verified.

I do believe some that attempt to conjure up the death are necromancers and are either mentally ill and/or demon possessed.
---Lee1538 on 10/10/08


AlanofUk, as Satan showed Jesus in the wilderness, he knows his Scriptures better than most Christians. The answer to this problem is to know our Scriptures better than Satan. It says all over the Bible that sorcerors will have their everlasting punishment. This includes poisoners (part of pharmaceuticals industry and food technology), astrologists, necromancers, fortune tellers, horoscope believers, tarot card readers, ouija board users and so on. They need to repent and get saved.
---frances008 on 10/10/08


steveng, that was wrong of you to try to use that statement against me because all it did was confirm what I said earlier.
We as parents are responsible for what our children read.
I read a lot of books for entertainment.
I read and Study my Bible for the way to live my life and raise my children.
That means, I will not let them become exposed to anything until they are ready and can handle the situation. Do I feel my children can read Harry Potter and understand that it is pure fiction? No not yet. I have a strong relationship with God. He protects me and I have no worries. What about you?
And yes, the good witch in Cinderella is the same as the good witches in Harry Potter. Can't say one is better or different than the other.
---ginger on 10/10/08


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Steveng:

Yes, even the ten commandments could be twisted. Imagine a society in which people would be executed for not going ot church, or one in which everyone was forced to submit lie detectors (to prevent bearing false witness), or even thought detectors to catch coveting? (And the technology is not too far off - they are already working on devices that use mental control of equipment, for use by paraplegics, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 10/9/08


You folks will need to study more about the antics of Satan. It's a battle between good and evil, between God and Satan, and humans are stuck in the middle. All throughout the Old Testament Satan did not want Jesus born, Satan tried to break the linkage between Eve and the birth of Jesus. And the game of chess is put into motion.

It's the end times and Satan is using everything he learned during the last 6,000 years to bring as many people to his evil side. Whatever is evil is good and whatever is good is evil. Satan is using novels and fables to skew the truth and you floks who think that HP books and movies are good is siding with Satan.
---Steveng on 10/9/08


ginger: "As for reading Harry Potter, I said I read it, I didn't say my children did."

It's the children we need to protect during these end times. Adults are already set in their modern ways and will not change. They are brought up in a society within the last generation that brainwashed adults into believing the the Bible (and Old Testament) is outdated. People today have lost their self control. Just take a look at the trend of society since World War Two that every ten years man's self control is getting weaker and weaker which will lead us to the prophesies of 2 Timothy 3:1-5. How do you suppose humans become like those prophesied? It's people like yourself who train up your children to be disobedient to God.
---Steveng on 10/9/08


Mima... You say "The Harry Potter books are Satan inspired"

Presumably by that you mean that the message of the HP books make Satan out to be a good, or at least admirable, guy.

Now, Satan does not appear in thebooks, but who is most like Satan? There is he who must not be named, and the Death Eaters and others.

Do the books encourage us to admire that crew?

Or are we encouraged to admire the team who fight against them?
---alan_of_UK on 10/9/08


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The cult of Harry Potter ('instant best sellers', all the money made, all the pressure on parents to concede to demands of children due to peer pressure, and so on, amounts to an orchestrated war on the minds of the young and old alike. Why? To promote the interest in the occult in our children. I see a slight difference between that and telling a traditional tale at no cost, that is well known in every culture, about how a girl escapes grinding poverty and persecution and becomes a princess due to the love of her prince. Ginger, if you cannot see the difference, I feel sorry for you.
---frances008 on 10/9/08


Frances, you say of CS Lewis .. "He shows an uncanny understanding of the way the devil thinks"

He probably read his Bible!!

And the same could be said of many here.
---alan_of_UK on 10/9/08


you know, my favorite fairy tale growing up was Cinderella. As I recall, she had a fairy god mother who performed magic to help her get the Prince. End the end, she does and lives happily ever after.

The thing I learned from this story was NOT the magic that the fairy god mother did.

I learned true love over comes. That is what I took from that story.

And, through Jesus Christ, true love does overcome because Jesus is love and He has overcome.

I will say it again, we must educate our children. Explain what is real. God tells us that it is our responsibility.

As for reading Harry Potter, I said I read it, I didn't say my children did.
---ginger on 10/9/08


"Harry Potter is Satan" Where is the connection here? Please provide examples.
---liam on 10/9/08


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"Satan's evil web by just using the Ouija Board"

The Ouija board ... seriously? Adults actually believe this is magic? It's called the ideomotor effect.
---liam on 10/9/08


Rebecca_D: "...if a person has any common sense..."

Children don't have common sense. They buy HP gadgets in hopes to get rid of a person at school, etc. A few children think it's more exciting than being a Christian.

"they would know that one can't wave a magic wand and say a few rhymes and POOF something happens."

Tell the people who got caught up in Satan's evil web by just using the Ouija Board

"...does that mean Sabrina the teenage witch or the show Charmed is evil as well?"

Yes, it glorifies witchcraft.

"Just like anything else, it can be evil if you make it out to be."

Would you apply your statement to each of the Ten Commandments?
---Steveng on 10/8/08


Steveng:

C. S. Lewis explained it this way: most people have very strong opinions about religion, and often refuse to hear anything that in any way differs, regardless of whether they're right or wrong. (If you want any evidence of this, just read these blogs).

However, if IS possible to reach people, despite such inflexible minds, by preaching the message in a way that it doesn't SOUND like religion, so their man-made defenses don't go up, and they're able to percieve the truth as what it is. He called this "sneaking past watchful dragons".
---StrongAxe on 10/8/08


Nicole, either the conspiracy now includes pastors speaking lies on Christian sites or CSLewis by virtue of his friendship with Tolkein really was into extreme occultism. Birds of a feather flock together. Yes, I have read one book of Lewis's called 'The Screwtape Letters'. Since you got the title wrong, I have to wonder how much you know of anything. In the preface of the book Lewis says that he believes in the devil and therefore assumes there must be a God. His faith in God is just an assumption based on true faith in the devil and evil. He shows an uncanny understanding of the way the devil thinks. I don't think that it is beneficial for us to read his books.
---frances008 on 10/8/08


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Rebecca ....You ask Leslie "So to those who believe Harry Potter is evil, does that mean Sabrina the teenage witch or the show Charmed is evil as well?"

I don't know about those, but in the Harry Potter story, he seems to say that Harry Potter is Satan, and so presumably his friends are demons, while Voldemort is God and the Death Eaters and the Dementors are God's angels.

He certainly seems to have a strange idea of what God is like.
---alan_of_UK on 10/8/08


"we really do not know what a witch is."

A witch is someone who performs witchcraft? I didn't really ask if people know any witches or seen any witches. I asked if people believe witchcraft is real. That is, do you believe that human beings can obtain supernatural powers that exert a physical effect on their environment by willing it or by saying some words?

For the people who believe this can happen, why do you believe this? What are the reasons do you think people should believe this is true?
---liam on 10/8/08


Ginger: I am guilty myself. Hopefully I'll live long enough to mature out of most of my errors,GOD allowing.

I guess the difference is to me. This good you refer too is from powers other than GOD. Now it probably doesn't affect your faith or mine. But, a childs?

Yeah, it's my hang up.
You think GOD has them in his library? I'll read em later if.......I make it.
---Trav on 10/8/08


Per Rebecca D...Yes it might be about magic, but if a person has any common sense at all they would know that one can't wave a magic wand and say a few rhymes and POOF something happens.

I guess then Rebecca, you've never been on the receiving end of the types of "spells/magic" that can be done through witchcraft. I have personally been a victim of those things and I will tell you from experience...witchcraft, magical spells, etc. are just as real as God's miracles. The bible even warns that the devil imitates God. It's those who believe that it's all a fantasy who are setting themselves up to be deceived.
---Holly4jc on 10/8/08


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When I worked as a manager of Blockbuster, I asked a woman if she would like to researve a copy of the Harry Potter movie being released. She said NO very explicitly, That it was you know who's movie and she was Christian. The thing is she was renting a very gory, swear word filled, horror movie for her and her children to watch. Needless to say I was astonished. I have to say I have read them. They are very good examples of how Good always triumphs over evil.
We must remember that as parents, it is our job to explain the difference between what is real and what is fantasy to our children.
They most certainly aren't like some of the mainstream music some kids listen to.
---ginger on 10/8/08


Cannot understand why we would put the most impressionable ones we love the most in front of the realistic fallacy of potter.
Some material has ancient origins. Ancient people practiced and were punished. Think we'll escape because we are enlightened intelligent children. My bet is Solomon would caution, if he could.
We basically say to the child, we believe in GOD, aren't these mislead movie demons entertaining?
To a child every thing is new and fact until proven false or taught different. Some, most now may not ever be taught the diff.
Wow, no wonder we are losing our blessings. We tolerate anything in the way of entertainment to keep from saying no to our children or ourselves.
---Trav on 10/8/08


*How many here believe witchcraft is real?

The problem in answering this type of question is that apart from popular folklore, we really do not know what a witch is. The Bible only mentions the Witch of Endor and she was basically a necromancer.

It has been a very black mark on the Christian church for murdering thousands suspected of being witches. While the Roman Church did more than its share, it was King James himself that ordered the death of dozens suspected of witchcraft. And of course, we all recall the Salem witch trails.

As to the Potter books, I really do not see anything harmful coming out of children reading these books.
---Lee1538 on 10/8/08


I don't see anything wrong with Harry Potter movies or the novels. (And this is where people will bash me and start the name calling). I watched the Harry Potter movies and I didn't see anything evil in it. Yes it might be about magic, but if a person has any common sense at all they would know that one can't wave a magic wand and say a few rhymes and POOF something happens. If that were the case, I could sure use one on my house-work. So to those who believe Harry Potter is evil, does that mean Sabrina the teenage witch or the show Charmed is evil as well? Just like anything else, it can be evil if you make it out to be.
---Rebecca_D on 10/8/08


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Leslie: "...The 1st Heaven is Earth, the 2nd Heaven is where Satan and the demons live, and the 3rd Heaven is where God and the angels live. I have also studied this in many books commenting on this Bible passage."

Instead of reading other people's opinions in those books you read try reading the Bible. The first heaven is were the birds fly, the second heaven is where God placed the moon, the sun and the stars, and the third heaven is where God lives.

The First Heaven: Deut. Genesis 1:7-8: Genesis 1:14: 11:17: Deut. 28:12: Judges 5:4: Acts 14:17: Revelation 19:17

The Second Heaven: Deuteronomy 4:19: Psalm 19:4,6: Jeremiah 8:2: Isaiah 13:10

The Third Heaven: 1 Kings 8:30: Psalm 2:4: Matthew 5:16
---Steveng on 10/7/08


As Moses had to warn the Pharaoh many time, I, too, must whar you Christians to stay away from witchcraft, sorcery, etc. and even the appearance thereof. Why do christians need to learn about God through fabes such as CS Lewis and Tokian and the Left Behind books. CS Lewis and other so-called Christians writers fill the head of children with such trash. As adults you may know HP is only a story, but children don't. They haven't been set in the strong Christian foundation to know the difference. Satan is doing cartwheels on the tips of the flames of Hell because many children have been caught up in the stories of CS Lewis, J.K. Rowling and Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins. These authors are wolves in sheep clothing. Read Matthew 18:6
---Steveng on 10/7/08


Leslie:

Regarding the different heavens: I have searched the whole Bible and found zero references to the second heaven, and one reference to the third heaven (2 Corintihians 12:2), and no mention whatsoever as to the contents of such heavens. Where are you getting your information from? Just because some commentors claim that something is true doesn't make it true.

Regarding Harry Potter: Just where is "God is evil and the Devil is good"? I have read some of the books (and seen all of the movies) and do not recall anything of this sort ever being mentioned (and believe me, it is the kind of thing I would have DEFINITELY noticed).
---StrongAxe on 10/7/08


AlanUK, thanks for the correction.
I do see what you are saying.
---Nicole on 10/7/08


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Nicole ... I'm sorry you misunderstood me!

When I said "(if like some here, you believe the very worst of the RCC!!) I should have said "(if like some here, one believes the very worst of the RCC!!)

Please re-read my post with that correction, and yuo will I hope see that I was really giving some support to yuor comment, and was expressing with some sadness what the arch-anti-RCC people would say, and showing why some-one had said both Lewis and Tolkien were into the occult.

As you know I think the RCC is wrong on certain aspects of doctrine and practice, but I do not think it is satanic or occultic.


---alan_of_UK on 10/7/08


Leslie: "read the book and watch the movies, then compair them to the Bible. You will see."

Apparently I'm not as good at finding these comparisons you're talking about. Can you post a few examples?
---liam on 10/7/08


Leslie ... I have read the books and watched the film, amd nowhere do I see God being bad and the devil being good. In fact here is no God and no Devil in the stories.

In HP There are good wizards,which have motives of kindness and compassion, and behave with sacrifice courage honesty and loyalty

And there are bad wizards, which are motivated by hatred, and lust for power, and employ lies, deception, and death.

Are you saying that the stories glorify the latter, and equate them with God?
---alan_of_UK on 10/7/08


Alan of UK -
You are definatly into witchcraft and are decieved. Yes, HP IS about God being bad and the devil is good - read the book and watch the movies, then compair them to the Bible. You will see.
StrongAxe -
The 2nd and 3rd Heavens are mentioned in the Bible - where it talks about the Heavens opening. Heavens is plural, meaning more than one. The 1st Heaven is Earth, the 2nd Heaven is where Satan and the demons live, and the 3rd Heaven is where God and the angels live. I have also studied this in many books commenting on this Bible passage.
---Leslie on 10/6/08


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"How many here believe witchcraft is real?"

I only got one response but I think it's an important question. If you believe that witchcraft is real, then I can see why you have an issue with HP and the rest of this post is not directed at you.

If you believe that it isn't, then I don't see what is wrong with the stories: no one is taught to do spells since spells are not real, the stories don't tell people to be evil. Does fantasy have to be an allegory to Christ (as in LW & W) to be acceptable fantasy? Help me out here because I don't understand this fascination with HP.
---liam on 10/6/08


Alan_of_UK, thank you for correcting the title of Screwtape. Everyone can make a mistake. Sorry.
I didn't say thing about Tolkien.
What are you saying to me about he RCC?

Your stated is odd. Because someone is towards the RCC he has to be an occultist?

I believe the very worst of RCC?
What are you talking about?

I was protecting a godly Protestant man.
How did the RCC entered this topic?
If I say the sky is blue, I believe some will blame the RCC for that as well!

CS Lewis, I know about, not Tolkien.
Did I say anything about him? No.
But, Lewis I know has written beautiful Christian books.

CS Lewis is Protestant.
Can we for once leave the RCC out of this topic.
---Nicole on 10/6/08


The Harry Potter books are Satan inspired.
---mima on 10/6/08


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