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Where Do We Go After Death

Where exactly do we go after death? Do we lie in our grave or go straight to heaven?

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The Bible teaches that when a person dies his/her body returns to DUST and the SPIRIT (breath of life), NOT THE SOUL, returns to God.
When a person dies,he/she knows nothing.Their thoughts perish and they do not praise God.(Ps. 146:3-4 an Ps. 115:17) Their feelings and emotions come to an end, they have no part in what happens on earth or in heaven.
It is only at the first resurection that the saved are given immortality and are invited
to take up residence in the mansions that the Lord has prepared for us.
---Pierre5358 on 6/14/09


#1 Matthew from LA, on 8/24/07 I posted a 12 part post that explained, through scripture, why our soul does not go directly to heaven when we die. People who want to teach against that very biblicly provable postion commonly misuse 5 scriptures. They isolate these 5 scriptures and treat them as though they existed in a vaccuum.
---Ryan_Z on 9/5/07


#2 Matthew frm LA, These 5 misused scriptures must be discerned through other scripture, such as the ones I provided in my 12 part post, so that one may come to the truth of what the WOrd of God teaches. The 5 misused scriptures are: Revelation 6:9-10, Phillipians 1:21-26, II Cr 5:8, Lk 16:22-23 & Luke 23:43.
---Ryan_Z on 9/5/07


Ryan-"Has every Christian been slain because of the testimony they've maintained?"

The scripure is talking about people who's heads were cut off during the tribulation. They went straight to heaven. This is ocurring before the judgement while people are still on Earth. That is what's important about this passage.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/4/07


2)
Ryan, no, it isn't talking about all Christians in heaven, and I never said it did. Just because it doesn't talk about the other Saints in heaven doesn't mean they aren't there. If someone told me there were women in Mc Donalds talking does that mean there were no men there? If someone told me there were elderly people at Bingo does that mean there were no young people there? The same applies here. The passage talks about a certain group of Saints, the ones whose heads were cut off.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/4/07




3)
Paul talked about looking forward to being absent from the body and present with the Lord. Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise. I'll tell you the truth, Ryan, if you look for loopholes you will always find them. The Bible is chuck full of potential loopholes because it is a spiritual book. Pride keeps us from understanding the truth. The fear that we may be wrong is too much to handle so the pride lead response is , "I can't be wrong".
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/4/07


It might be wise to think about this.
Jesus told the thief he would be with him that day.
The scriptures are brought forth by the Holy Ghost.
To speak against what the Holy Ghost says is blasphemy.
It is not wise to speak against what the Lord said and was recorded by men moved by the Spirit.
That is why we are warned about every idle word.
That is why we will be condemned by our words.
Frank
---Frank on 9/4/07


Matthew from LA, I have not denied that their will be those that call out for justice, I have not denied they are 'under the altar', I have not denied they were slain for their belief. The addition here is that every Christian is martyred and sent to heaven. you are absolutley correct:

"When we believe falsehood, one thing that always happens, is anything and I mean anything in the Bible that contradicts the falsehood is given a false interpetation to hold the falsehood true."
---Ryan_Z on 9/4/07


#1 Matthew from LA, let me be more clear. The problem, as I see it, is peolple want to place the souls of all Christians under this altar spoken of in Revelation 6:9-10, however, the scripture is very clear which souls are under this altar:

"I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained,"
---Ryan_Z on 9/4/07


#2 Matthew from LA, So the falsehood is: upon death every Christian soul goes to heaven, and this is one scripture that is used in an attempt to support the falsehood, but the scritpure clearly says they are the souls of those who had been slain for their testimony, Has every Christian been slain because of the testimony they've maintained?
---Ryan_Z on 9/4/07




sherry: "We all have our opinions, based on whatever we have read, but actually NOBODY KNOWS!."

The Bible does and the few Christians who are truly filled with the Holy Spirit.
---Steveng on 9/3/07


It is for man to die once.

It is written that, at the second coming of Christ, the dead in Christ shall rise first and then the living shall be caught up with them. This is the first resurrection in whom they will not see the second death.

At the end of the thousand year rein of Christ, all the other dead shall rise and be judge from the Book of Life. This is the second resurrection.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 9/3/07


Ryan-"When God speaks of the souls under His throne crying out for retribution this is an illustration, not literal events, that is like saying Able's blood literaly cried out."

Ryan you need to be smart about this. Don't gamble with your soul, because if you are wrong then you will guilty of what Revelation 22:18-19 talks about.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/3/07


2)
Revelation 22:18-19
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/3/07


3) This is why some pastors will preach Revelation exactly as it is written. This way they don't risk being one of the unforunate people who add or take away the words written in Revelation. Better to be undecided on an interpetation rather than sure, but still wrong. I will say this one truth. When we believe falsehood, one thing that always happens, is anything and I mean anything in the Bible that contradicts the falsehood is given a false interpetation to hold the falsehood true.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/3/07


Marcia,
* I do not wish to go in circle with you on this*

At last you have realized it - Ryan is not out to discover and learn new knowledge, but he is simply out to argue and argue, just for the sake of it. It's a waste of time giving him any scriptures and insights, no matter how true and valid they are, he will not like to concede, at least not in public. I am not surprised, it takes humility to accept that one could be wrong, and not many have it. Stay blessed all of you in Jesus' name.
---Jonathan on 9/3/07


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we go either to hell a pit in the ground or heaven the city called new jerusalem prepared for all those who make it thru his plan of salvation see acts 2,38
---kay on 8/30/07


We all have our opinions, based on whatever we have read, but actually NOBODY KNOWS!.
---sherry on 8/30/07


No one goes straight to heaven or hell when they die. They will not be judged right then. God isn't going to judge someone twice. The bible says the dead in Christ shall rise, they can't rise if their already in heaven. And the dead sinners/backsliders are not hell now, and go back in their graves then go back to hell then be thrown in the lake of fire.
---Rebecca_D on 8/29/07


Marcia, I find it sad that you have no desire to enter into honest discussion about scripture. How do you ever plan on growing in knowledge if you cannot enter into question and answer dialogues?
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


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Ryan Z:1 (...) I once heard it said that Revalation is to pictures what Christ is to parables.

Ryan After read this first line I have decided not to read anymore. I know exactly where you are going with this. I already know where you stand as far as parables. Remember we already has this discussion. I do not wish to go in circle with you on this. I stated where I stand on the teaching of Christ and I stated my beleifs as far as death is concerned.
---Marcia on 8/29/07


#1 Marcia, I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. I would like to first address the events you speak of in Revelation. I once heard it said that Revalation is to pictures what Christ is to parables. The apocolyptic speach John uses in revelation should be understood as a series of visions and John transfering them to words. When God speaks of the souls under His throne crying out for retribution this is an illustration, not literal events, that is like saying Able's blood literaly cried out.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


#2 This type of language is very colorful we use it in our everyday language (i.e. "That guy is as big as a house.") Beheaded Saints, subjects of the throne of the Almighty crying out for justice, these are powerful images, but no more literal then a bunch of beggers covered in sores sitting on the bosom of Abraham in the afterlife.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


#3 I couldn't help but notice, you are part of the, "...absent from the body,present with the Lord." crowd. May we please look at the scripture from which man has conjured up this diabolical saying:

II Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord--(7) for we walk by faith, not by sight--(8)we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


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#4 Absolutely!!! This scripture does not speak of immediate occurances after death. If I live in New York and I write a letter to my friend in Los Angeles speaking of my impending journey to go see him and I say, "It is my hearts ambitionn to be absent from NY and with you in LA." Does this mean that immediately after I step foot out of NY I arrive in LA? That is the absurdity of butchering this scritpure with the little quip, "...absent from the body...present with the Lord."
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


#5 Viewed in light of scripture we know there is a period of time between our death and our resurrection.I long for the day to be absent from this tainted sinful dwelling and at home with the Lord Jesus.This will all happen in the proper order and the correct series of events must first take place.The final verse in Hebrews 11 tells us that the Old Testament Saints have not been perfected aside from us.We all get our bodies FROM heaven on the same day,the glorious day of the coming of the Lord.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


#6 We are raised in immortality to serve the King in all His majesty and glory into the ages. I think sleep is an appropriate term for death, I believe this is why The Word says those who sleep in Christ will rise first. If you are asleep you are surely not dead, but merely in a dormant state of consciousness.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


#7 It is quite comforting knowing that we could pass in this life, enter our sleep in Christ, oblivious to the passage of time and our next nest moment of awareness is being united With the Lord in the day of His coming to establish His kingdom, it's rather romantic. It is dangerous and misguided to attempt to disprove one scriptre with another. The bible says we are resurrected, not a body because our bodies are FROM heaven. The bible tells us that the spirit in man goes back to the Father who gave it.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


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#8 Since spirit cannot die and our soul will never again see this earthly flesh and we have the wonderful verses found in II Corinthians 15 that speak of the grain placed into our new bodies FROM heaven, it is wise to conclude that Christ has not come for the souls He redeemed because we will all be made perfect together, until that day we are asleep in Christ, not dead, in a state of dormancy patiently waiting for our Lord. Once again thank you for trapsing through this lengthy post, God bless.
---Ryan_Z on 8/29/07


1st Cliff,

Actually Paul was not a Pharisee, he was giving his testimony. Just the same as if You were to say "I was a Persecuter of the Church, but now I am a builder of the Church. There was a trasformation. However that was then, it would be more spiritually correct to call Paul a Saint.
---Marcia on 8/28/07


NO Marcia,not move on! back up. Paul was "still" a Pharisee after coversion according to Acts 23.6. Paul's words over mine? this is Paul's words. Chosen by God to write 13 books? says who? Paul? Matt from LA "all scripture is inspired ..." Notice it was Paul who said that! So that's proof enough? He said so?
---1st_cliff on 8/28/07


Not only is there life after death, But God is going to give us new bodies, better than the ones we have now. We are not going to be disembodied Spirits. Those who are saved are going to have bodies just like the resurrected body of Jesus. Some people will arise to honor and some to shame.>>>Death is the means by which our bodies are put to rest while our spirits are escourted through the gates of heaven.
---catherine on 8/27/07


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1st Cliff,

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God..

But Paul was wrong? That's awfully convient and it's the easy way out. Most people aren't that bold to make such a statement. Maybe now we should go through the BIble and find what other things God's apostles said that were wrong. There could be hundred of passages. Maybe half of the Bible is wrong.
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/27/07


1st cliff

What's your point?

If your trying to suggest that Paul's writtings are not sound doctrine becuase before his conversion he was a pharisee move on.

I would sooner believe Paul's words over yours. Nothing against you, it just that no one living today can compete with Paul when it comes to scripture because he was choosen by God to write the majority of the NT.
---Marcia on 8/27/07


Macia, Something you need to understand I E - When Paul said "absent from the body...." he was speaking Pharisee doctrine as they believed in the immortality of the soul.(look in any good bible dictionary under "Phaisee") Nowhere in scripture does it say the soul is immortal! Paul said "I am a Pharisee,son of a Pharisee"Act.23.6. bible words not mine!
---1st_cliff on 8/27/07


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The best responses have been from Clare.

(...)
Pointed noted. (...)the problem is that the same Bible which says that those who are asleep in Christ will be first in the resurrection is the same Bible which says that God is God of the living and not of the dead! Yes the writings in Ecclesiastes and Job need to be considered. (...)consider Philippians 1:21-26: "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body ...
---Marcia on 8/27/07


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My response has always been that after death we go straight to Heaven. Again to be absense from the body is to be present with the Lord. What do you think I ment when I quoted (1Cr 15:53 to 54) ,(2Cr 5:8), (Lk 16:22-23).
---Marcia on 8/27/07


However the best responses have been from Matthew from LA.

(...)
Pointed noted. (...)the problem is that the same Bible which says that those who are asleep in Christ will be first in the resurrection is the same Bible which says that God is God of the living and not of the dead! Yes the writings in Ecclesiastes and Job need to be considered. (...)consider Philippians 1:21-26: "For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body ...
---Clare on 8/13/07
---Marcia on 8/27/07


Also from Matthew of LA.

In the OT sleep was a euphanism for death. There is no soul sleep. Paul believed that when he died he would absent from His body and present with the Lord. The Book of Revelation shows Saints that were killed during the tribulation(heads cut off) talking and conscience in heaven before the judgement, begging God to avenge their deaths.(Revelation 6:9-10)
---Matthew_from_LA on 8/14/07
---Marcia on 8/27/07


Marcia, I have attempted to show you, through scripture, why I believe what I believe. Unfortunately you would rather attack, that is sad. There is no ego in my posts, rather good old fashioned scripture. God bless.
---Ryan_Z on 8/26/07


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Lori, I am not sure where you get the belief that spirit, life, is reunited with the mortal body. Scripture appears to be very clear that the new body is FROM heaven. It is not this body. Jesus' words, "In my Father's house are many dwelling places..." and verses in II Corinthinas 5:2 and I Corinthian 15 appear to be very clear that our new bodies are not resurrected perishable earthly bodies, but rather spirit bodies from heaven.
---Ryan_Z on 8/26/07


1st cliff, **The spirit breathed onto Adam was a power to give him life.That spirit(power) returns to God figuratively, it is not a tangible "thing"that lives on. That life giving spirit will be re-breathed at resurrection.**

I absolutely agree 100%. You and I do not differ as much as you think on this matter. I am sorry for being unclear. Spirit is' "That which gives life." I like the way you put it.
---Ryan_Z on 8/26/07


Lori, I suggest to you that scripture teaches that the resurrection is the uniting of our soul with our spirit body and as 1st cliff pointed out the spirit of God, that which is life, gives life to this new union.
---Ryan_Z on 8/26/07


Ryan: apology accepted. I see you still cling to other falsehoods though. The resurrection is the reuniting of our spirit and our mortal body. Jesus showed us that when he was resurrected. He showed his apostles the wounds in his hands and feet, after he was crucified. The bible mentions paradise and the spirit prison for those who die in righteousness and ignorance to the gospel. NO ONE, regardless how much they profess it will enter God's kingdom until after the judgment and resurrection.
---Lori on 8/26/07


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Ryan it's not beyond your Ego.
---Marcia on 8/26/07


Ryan, You and I have similar views on much theology,but I differ from you on the subject of "spirit". Heb.ruach and Gr. pneuma are the roots. There are spirit beings like angels. The spirit of '76 or one in good spirits is a mental attitude. The spirit breathed onto Adam was a power to give him life.That spirit(power) returns to God figuratively, it is not a tangible "thing"that lives on. That life giving spirit will be re-breathed at resurrection.
---1st_cliff on 8/26/07


Lori, I apologize for the misunderstanding. SPirit cannot be resurrrected. Spirit is life, spirit cannot die, so therefore it cannot be resurrected. My point is that it is the soul that is resurrected. The soul is our personal identity. The flesh turns to dust, the spirit returns to God and the soul waits in Sheol for the resurrection. That is what the Word of God teaches, that is what I believe.
---Ryan_Z on 8/26/07


Ryan, you contradicted the bible when you say spirits are all ready resurrected. there is no reason for Jesus to come back now to usher in the first resurrection. you made it pointless with your statement. No one enters God's kingdom until after the judgment where our lives are put on display for all to see. that is why we have paradise for the righteous and spirit prison for those who die without hearing the gospel. they hear it and accept or reject it, so everyone is judged the same, no exceptions.
---Lori on 8/26/07


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Marcia, how you extrapolate your conclusion from my post is beyond me.
---Ryan_Z on 8/25/07


Ryan Z.

Simply put, your lengthy post did prove my point and my point was that to be absence from the body is to be present with the Lord.
---Marcia on 8/25/07


#1Marcia, **The spiritual body is resurrected (I see you agree with this)**

And you use I Corinthinas 15:53,54

For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. (54) But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory.
---Ryan_Z on 8/25/07


#2 I do not agree the spiritual body is resurrected. Scriptures used to support that are John 14:2 when Christ tells us there are dwelling places (spiritual bodies) in heaven waiting for us and II Corinthinas 5:2 that tells us our new bodies are FROM heaven, not resurrected from earth.
---Ryan_Z on 8/25/07


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#3 The verse you quote in II Corinthians 15:53,54 speaks of the perishable (the soul) putting on the imperishable (New bodies). And the mortal (soul) putting on immortality (perfect spiritual bodies).
---Ryan_Z on 8/25/07


#4 My lengthy post did not prove your point. It presented that scripture reveals the soul is resurrected, not the body, and placed into our new bodies from heaven, not resurrected spirit bodies, becasue from where would these imperishable immortal spirit bodies be resurrected from? They already exist, in heaven. They are not dead, they are IMPERISHABLE. God Bless.
---Ryan_Z on 8/25/07


RyanZ

You said, "3 Intersting verse, because, God is telling us that we do not return to this body (house) that is made of earth. Essentialy what this does is dispell the myth that our bodies are resurrected. This concept is supported in the new testament:

This is not a myth Read (1Cr 15:53 to 54) The spiritual body is resurected (I see you agee with this)
---Marcia on 8/25/07


Ryan I will tell you the same thing I told cliff:

Jesus is the Resurection and if we die in Christ we will rise with Christ and we will never be separated from him, not now or ever!! Not in death or in the life to come!! Never! Because Jesus has defeated sin at the cross and sin is what kept us apart from God.

To be separate from the body is to be present with the Lord. Your long response just proves that our responses are correct.
---Marcia on 8/25/07


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Ryan Z

I' am glad you are finally starting to see, that we do go back to God, after we die.

Your deep intense search has brought about great understanding not only to yourself but to us all.

Be Blessed Beloved.
---Marcia on 8/25/07


#1 Marcia, Jane et al, me, a loley misguided bible reader, would like to present a fuller picture of what scripture, as a whole, says about the topic. I think the first thing we need to agee upon is we are body,soul and spirit. When God formed Adam He formed his physical body out of the dust of the earth, breathed the spirit of life into his nostrils and Adam became a living soul. So the question begins to take on a deeper level becasue we need to ask what happens to each of these elements when we sleep?
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#2 The first is the body, this is pretty easy. part of the judgement placed on Adam and Eve was our bodies will return to dust, I don't think any of us would argue this point. Job does have something very interesting to say about this matter:

7:9,10 "When a cloud vanishes, it is gone, So he who goes down to Sheol does not come up. (10) "He will not return again to his house, Nor will his place know him anymore.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#3 Intersting verse, because, God is telling us that we do not return to this body (house) that is made of earth. Essentialy what this does is dispell the myth that our bodies are resurrected. This concept is supported in the new testament:

John 14:2 "In My Father's house are many dwelling places, if it were not so, I would have told you, for I go to prepare a place for you.

II Corinthians 5:2 For indeed in this {house} we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


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#4 Our new dwelling places/houses/bodies are from heaven. When we go back to what God said, through Job, we see there is no need for God to resurrect our earthly bodies becasue He has dwelling places for us from heaven. This leads to a question that we can answer in our second topic, if our body is not resurrected, what is?
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#5 Since we are three parts: body, soul & spirit and we know what happens to the body at death, and that the body will never again house us (Job 7) what happens to the other two aspects of our being at death? Let's first examine the spirit. The spirit is life.

Job 34:14,15 "If He should determine to do so, If He should gather to Himself His spirit and His breath, (15) All flesh would perish together, And man would return to dust.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#6 Also look at Gen 2:7, Job 32:8, 33:4, Psalm 104:29 & Zech 12:1

Solomon asked these same questions and God instructed him to write:

Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 Furthermore, men are afraid of a high place and of terrors on the road, the almond tree blossoms, the grasshopper drags himself along, and the caperberry is ineffective. For man goes to his eternal home while mourners go about in the street.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#7 (6) before the silver cord is broken and the golden bowl is crushed, the pitcher by the well is shattered and the wheel at the cistern is crushed, (7) then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Well that tells us pretty straight out that the spirit within man, formed by God returns to God when man dies. This leaves us with the soul, what happens to it?
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


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#8 Psalm 49:15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, For He will receive me. Selah.

This is a powerful verse. When will God redeem our souls? That was done on the Cross. When will God come to collect the souls He redeemed through His Son Christ Jesus? In the day of the coming of the Lord. Paul speaks about this day with great joy and anticipation becasue this is the day of resurrection!!!
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#9 The souls in Sheol will be resurrected and placed in their new bodies:

I Corinthinas 15:36-38 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies,(37) and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. (38) But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#10 The entire chapter of I Corinthians 15 speaks in depth of this, especially verses 36-58. We do not sow a body, our heart has been changed and our soul matures into a grain that will be placed into a new body, not of earth but of spirit. The soul lies in wait for the great day of the coming of the Lord.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


#11 The soul does not go to heaven when we die, that doctrine makes no sense when put under the microscope of scripture. If the soul goes to heaven when we die then what is resurrected? It can't be the body becasue we get new bodies FROM heaven, not from earth. It can't be the spirit becasue the Holy Spirit, through Solomon, tells us that the spirit returns to God when we die.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


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#12 The only part of us that can be resurrected is the only part that is left, our soul. Redeemed by the work of the Savior, on the cross so that the power of Sheol cannot hold it whenThe Christ comes to collect it. I do pray the moderator will post this extemely long response, and I do pray that there will be many that read it and begin to study the truth and not just regurgitate century old lies. God bless you all.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


1st_cliff

That is exactly my point, you are the one being difficult with Punctuation and all that. If you read with the faith of a child you will see that Jesus is the Resurection and if we die in Christ we will rise with Christ and we will never be separated from him, not now or ever!! Not in death or in the life to come!! Never!
---Marcia on 8/24/07


Marcia, Why are you being difficult? The world knows He was resurrected on the 3rd day! Did Jesus say anything about being anywhere else during the 3 days He was dead? If you try to say that only the body was burried ,not the whole person you're going outside the bible. Scripture says nothing about "only the body" anywhere.
---1st_cliff on 8/24/07


Judging from His arguements here, 1st Cliff is just a misguided Bible reader - just like Ryan, Bill and others here who rely on natural senses to argue issues out. But God is good, with time and a little bit of humility, all spiritually blind people will see. God bless you all, we love you.
---Jane on 8/24/07


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I suppose you are trying to convince me that Jesus is still in his tomb right now. It is you who needs to go back and read your Bible. Make sure you read it with unwaviering faith. You know...the FAITH of a Child.
---Marcia on 8/23/07


Marcia, The bible needs to be studied not just read at face value. Jesus did not say "this day you will be-" If you read it again ,remembering that punctuation was not invented 'till the 14th century,it reads "Verily,verily I say unto you this day,(comma)You will be with me in paradise" That "day" He was laid in the tomb( not paradise) Read with understanding Marcia! If He went somewhere else instead of being burried I would like to know what bible that came from.
---1st_cliff on 8/23/07


You go to heaven or hell after you die.
Your body is buried, your soul goes to heaven.
After the second coming, we get our glorified bodies as Jesus did.
Then later a new heaven and earth.
The old ones will pass away.

Happily ever after! Forever and ever.
---Lisa on 8/23/07


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