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Are Non-Christians In Hell

If, at the funeral of a non-Christian, you were asked by a non-Christian close relative of the deceased "Where is my loved one now?" how would you answer at such an emotional time?

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To get back to the original question of how to respond to thew question "Where is my loved one now?"

There are awaiting the resurrection of the dead and judgement with every one else who is died before them. Not much happens until that occurs, every one's eternal life starts at the same time. Some become members of God's family and some don't and their resurrection body and spirit simply cease to exist.
---Phil_the_Elder on 5/21/09


I would tell them that all who died without Christ go to hell!!!

And while I've never had this situation happened to me I have attended funerals in which people expressed doubt about someone's salvation. To which I replied I heard this man call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. To which the pastor(who was standing close by) said oh thank you for telling us that and it totally changes the way I will preach this funeral.
---mima on 5/20/09


i agree with Rebecca_D
---johann on 5/20/09


I'd ask if that person had become a believer before they died, and if the answer was no, then I still wouldn't lie to them. The Truth is still the Truth regardless of how we feel about it. At the same time, God will be the ultimate Judge of who sits on His right and on His left when He seperates the sheep from the goats.
---BryanG on 2/7/09


If you did study so called Christians on you tube you will find that they are a very mixed bunch and I only know about four who I would trust. But from the ones spreading wrong doctrines you can trace it back to their cult. You can learn a lot. It is not advisable for those weak in their knowledge of the Bible. I don't belong to any church or association. In Japan not belonging to an 'association' (church) means that by default you get buried by a Buddhist priest. Do you think I would care?
---frances008 on 10/16/08




You should reconsider your position and speak for the glory of God and not for your own glory.
---MarkV. on 10/16/08
I'm sorry you get on my nerves. Brought facts to study, you run or divert/whine or get a tag team. I link scripture you run....from scripture no less. Seems to say, you are either afraid or to lukewarm to research.
All I did was point to researchable facts. I do not know if there were other men....I have more facts in relation showing there were than were not.
Posted SOME facts for those that can prove wrong or add to. Never even researched facts/word provided, yet you scorn.
A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.
Proverbs 14:5-7
---Trav on 10/16/08


Trav, I was willing to discus anything with you and you trash whatever I say.
I will make sure my comments to you are express in the same context as yours are. I believe you should remember yourself, that you nor any demon cannot change Scripture, or the true meaning of the Word of God. Your comments about other people other then Adam's children is not Scriptural so no matter how much you believe there was, you cannot change the Truth to a lie.
God is the Potter always and you and I are nothing but clay.
You should reconsider your position and speak for the glory of God and not for your own glory.
---MarkV. on 10/16/08


I write many posts, Kathr, but none recently mentioned you tube (which is the way I would have spelt it). I particularly don't recall accusing anyone least of all you, of watching you tube. Of course I could be suffering from a memory blackout.

I am not attacking you personally, merely pointing out that you are doing this thing. Twisting the scriptures. It is very popular at the moment as we are in the End Times, and many doctrines of devils are proceeding from the mouths/hands of many.
---frances008 on 10/15/08


***Kathr, thank you for openly showing me which camp of Christians you are in, the camp that twists the Word of God every which (witch) way in order to bring people to the WRONG conclusions. Just keep twisting enough and you can interpret anything from the Bible.
---frances008 on 10/10/08***


I often see this cult like behavior when someone disagrees with someone else. Rather than PROVE your point showing scripture....3 minimum...of which they can't...they attack YOU personally!

Thanks Frances for showing us how it works!

I don't watch UTUBE, and have no idea what you are talking about. UTUBE does not teach scripture...scripture teaches scripture!
---kathr4453 on 10/14/08


Duane: As Christians we should be concerned about the lost/unbelievers. How could you not? Are you so wrapped up in your own little world that you just care about what happens to you and no one else? From your comment, that is what it seems. Where is your compassion toward the lost/unbelievers? If my Christian mom when living, wasn't concerned about me being a sinner/unbeliever, I wouldn't have gotten saved to begin with. A lot of these Christians now, along with you may not be saved if someone wasn't concerned about our Salvation. But they was and they prayed for our behalf. I am concerned seeing the lost, saved. If more people were concerned, maybe we would have less unbelievers in this world.
---Rebecca_D on 10/13/08




daniel: "quit concerning themselves so much about unbelievers. as christians, aren't we to serve him, that is, jesus christ."

No. We are to serve God. John12:44, John12:49, John8:54-55, John7:16-18, Romans1:21-25, Romans1:26-32, Acts4:18-19, and read carfully John4:23: "But the hour comes and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth for the Father seeks such to worship Him."

Christians are to concern themselves with nonChristians for Jesus did not come to save the saved , but save the sinners/nonbelievers. We are serving God when we help populate the Kingdom of God.
---Steveng on 10/13/08


Trav, ....the context of each passage in order to get my information correct. You might call it micro-screening but what I use is simple hermeneutics.

There was NO condemnation in my Statement.
Re read. Point was, you are in the hermenutic trees and aren't seeing the whole forest. I understand hermeneutics.
Point all along based on it. Get the people being spoken too throughout, correctly and the Scripture WILL make sense throughout.
You may want to avoid subject, because you think it takes you out. Fact it is probably you it is talking too. Even if it isn't...What you or any denom is NEVER going to do is change GOD or what he has set in place. He is the potter. We must/will sooner or later accept.
---Trav on 10/13/08


Trav, instead of trying to condemn by micro screening me, that you put some truth out there so as to edify another. I prefer to take my time in reading the context of each passage in order to get my information correct. You might call it micro-screening but what I use is simple hermeneutics. Since Scripture is written by different writers, in different times, and not all passages are literal statments, it is my duty to find the true meaning God wanted to convey to me. I don't have any problem with Scripture, what I don't have is all knowledge of it, so I learn as I go and much will be revealed to me in time, through His Truth by the Bible, a Teacher, or a writer who is gifted in helping others learn. He will find a way to teach me.
---MarkV. on 10/12/08


i wish that people that believe in christ would quit concerning themselves so much about unbelievers. as christians, aren't we to serve him, that is, jesus christ.
---daniel on 10/12/08


Hello There. Peace of Christ.

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Somewhere where only God knows waiting for Judgment day.....

God Bless...........Brother James
---Brother_James on 10/12/08


Well Rita,

I was with a friend yesterday we heard that her son committed suicide and I too was in the same situation of what to say and found You simply answer in truth. Your loved one is at rest.

It's pointless going the whole hog unless you know the person in a deep way. I knew my friend and all her family is unsaved and their conversation foul as it was i could explain what the mother was doing was not what he son would want and was not what God would want.

God allowed the truth about their anxiety surrounding his death and using Mediums for proof of his existence of roaming was a lie and I asked them to allow his soul to rest.
---Carla3939 on 10/11/08


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Eventually I could use a little humor with them
and when she said she herself was contemplating suicide, I said something silly like and guess what when you end up on the other side I said I'll know exactly what to do with her and where to send her, for the first time she she bust out laughing and said No...... Carla Not if I know I got to deal with you.... ( can you believe that) :( anyway we were all laughing we all had a good cry, silly I know but it helped and they said it was the first time they had laughed in the twelve weeks since his death.

Sometimes you cannot plan what your going to say because everyone needs are different. You have to allow God to lead.So that his name is lifted up and his name only is glorified.
---Carla3939 on 10/11/08


How does this simple question lead to the postings I am reading here?You should simply tell that person that the unbeliever is where their heart led them,I think that is as diplomatic as you can be without coming right out and saying in hell with the rest of the unbelievers.
---ron on 10/11/08


How do you explain Revelation 7:3: "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

Does God place a chip in their foreheads?
---Steveng on 10/10/08


Kathr, thank you for openly showing me which camp of Christians you are in, the camp that twists the Word of God every which (witch) way in order to bring people to the WRONG conclusions. Just keep twisting enough and you can interpret anything from the Bible.
---frances008 on 10/10/08


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I am not assuming anything, Kathr. It is you doing all the assuming and reading things into words that were not intended or written. The mark could be a number that is imprinted onto our bodies so that we will show up under a certain light. Glow in the dark kind of thing. It is unlikely to be readable or visible with the naked eye.
---frances008 on 10/10/08


MarkV, it is not faith that brings us to Christ. Quite the opposite. It is Christ that brings us to faith. I found this out a few months ago. If you read the Bible thoroughly, it was believing Pharisees whom Jesus warned of the punishment to come. Mark, I suggest that you read the prophets a bit more. You will learn a lot because they are relevant today as they were thousands of years ago.
---frances008 on 10/10/08


***MarkV, the basis of Salvation is how we work out our faith in God into actual goodness, not whether we believe alone.***

Frances, POSITIONALLY we are in Christ by FAITH ALONE.

Our WALK afterwords is simply this...(our walk is based upon our position...not the other way around)

We are HIS workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto Good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.

What are THEM? HIS PROMISES!

Titus 1
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness,

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began,


---kathr4453 on 10/10/08


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2 Peter 1
1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

THIS IS the faith of the ELECT!
---kathr4453 on 10/10/08


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I don't think MarkV is a lost cause. Yet. He is micro screening bible believer....which is a lot of extra work. When/if he sees the constext people of the context he searches for,his screen work will amplify his knowledge unbelievable proportions.
---Trav on 10/10/08


***There are many nonChristians who hate the mark of the Beast. It seems to be something that is particularly hateful to God, perhaps because humans will be able to be tracked everywhere by satellites and hunted down and killed if they oppose the atheistic government.***

Frances, that is assuming the mark is a micro-chip.

The Bible says those written in the LAmbs book of Life have not will not take this mark. So with that.....nonchristians will take the mark of the beast.

It is sad that many nonchristians are being told it's a micro-chip..deceiving and leading them away from the real MARK.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/08


Steveng, thanks for your kind words, for praying for me, and for reading my posts. It would be a shame if you had missed them. I am also praying for you. I love when Christians pray for each other. I am retired, so on Sabbatical always for the glory of God and I love the ride. I have a lot to learn so keep praying for me that I learn more each day and my eyes be wide open to all of God's Word. "It is working already since I learned something from Ginger and Ken, praise be to God in the highest, your prayers are working."
---MarkV. on 10/10/08


MarkV, you are a lost cause, but I continue to pray that your eyes will be open about being worthy of God's safety because it's not your fault that you think the way you do. Just by reading your posts in many of the blogs tells me that you are trying to understand the Word of God through the eyes of the world. Try using your spiritual knowledge to understand Scriptures not what you learned in school.

When reading the Bible, don't try to understand every word, phrase and verse you read. Read the Bible through the eyes of a child and not let your adult inhibitions critique everything you read.
---Steveng on 10/9/08


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Here you go again Frances, "faith is a false security net" Well, that tells it all. The one thing that brings us to Christ and it is a false security net. You have not been listening Frances. There is two kinds of faith, the one the lost have, that does not include Christ, and the saving faith believers have, that is in Christ alone.
Everyone in the world has some kind of faith. But that faith in not for the glory of God. They have faith their cars will start when they turn the keys. They have faith their car will turn when they turn the wheel. But that faith does not save. Faith that saves comes from God. It is given to all who have been born of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 10/9/08


Kathr, thank you for bringing up the mark of the beast. If we take it due to our lack of associating with real Christians and our lack of interest in the Word of God, then we will be guilty and punished accordingly. There are many nonChristians who hate the mark of the Beast. It seems to be something that is particularly hateful to God, perhaps because humans will be able to be tracked everywhere by satellites and hunted down and killed if they oppose the atheistic government. The government will probably be above the people and will not be forced to take the mark. They will hope that this will grant them entrance into Heaven - but it will not.
---frances008 on 10/9/08


MarkV, the basis of Salvation is how we work out our faith in God into actual goodness, not whether we believe alone. If it was only faith then the devil would be saved. We know the devil believes and is not saved. Most atheists actually believe in God, but lie. They know God exists and their purpose in life is to fight against this God. Their belief in God won't save them either. They would not spend so much time defiling Christians with insults, and blaspheming against our God, if He did not exist in their opinion.
---frances008 on 10/9/08


StevenG, I think you should take some time off and just study the context of the passages you give. You say other take a verse and only teach it but it is you who is doing that.
2 Thess. 1:4-11 is not talking about praying to God to be worthy. There is a spiritual obligation to thank God in prayer when He accomplishes great things in the lives of His saints. That was the case with the obedient Thessalonians, who demonstrated growth in faith and love.
Paul was exhorting them for their endurance. But he was not telling them they were worthy of the kingdom but to be counted as worthy for enduring the sufferings they did not deserve (v.4). They were enduring only because of God. That is why they thank God in prayer.
---MarkV. on 10/9/08


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Yes, MarkV, you are justified if you have faith. How many people here believe everything in the Bible against everything that science and the News tells us? I would like to see your hand go up, MarkV, but I don't see it. What I am saying is that faith is a false security net. You say you believe but you don't really, in my opinion. And you encourage others not to really believe, whilst you spout that faith saves you. In fact Jesus says that faith will not save the devil who believes in him and trembles. Faith saves, means that if you obey the gospel, because of your faith, then you will not be disapppointed. Faith without works is dead faith. Works alone where faith is lacking may support your case. Works and faith are good.
---frances008 on 10/8/08


MarkV, the young Christian Church taught that only faith saved, or seemed to teach it. Although it is an assumption (both statement and that they taught it). To say that we are saved by faith alone does not say that others might be saved by for example dying to save a friend's life (notice not even an enemy's life - but the most human response of ours which is to offer our life for another person whom we love). For Christians so called the demands are MUCH higher. We are asked to believe and obey, that means believe the Whole Bible. If God is all knowing, then he can write a science book too, by just not mentioning things that did not exist and will not exist, like space travel, dinosaurs and other mind control operations going on.
---frances008 on 10/8/08


***However, if governments are using black occult/martial arts, then the people are truly not guilty, and God knows this. This is why the Bible says that all sorcerors will go to Hell.***

Frances, I believe anti-christ will come with the occult, however God WILL hold men accountable for taking the mark of the beast. People take that mark..not governments.


What you seem to be saying is if a government takes the mark, the people under that Governments authority are held accountable for someone elses actions, not their own???

Oh my.....
---kathr4453 on 10/8/08


Frances, the substance of the gospel is whether you have faith in Jesus Christ. One way only. We are justified by faith alone in Christ alone.
Some of the most caring people in the world aren't Christian. But the basis of salvation is not how you treat the world. You will be saved not on the basis of your philanthropy or on the basis of your good deeds, and you will not commend yourself to God with those either, because whatsoever is not of faith towards God is sin no matter what it is. But the basis of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ, that's why Acts 4:12 says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved"
---MarkV. on 10/8/08


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"No other name" here refers to the exclusivism of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. There are only two religious path: The broard way of works salvation leading to eternal death, and the narrow way of faith in Jesus leading to eternal life (Matt. 7:13,14, John 10:7,8, 14:6). Sadly, in the context of Acts 4, the Sanhedrin and its followers were on the wrong path.
---MarkV. on 10/8/08


The doctrine of original sin or Total Depravity are the greatest excuses in the world. In fact they put most people off God. They are false. We do not have to choose the devil over God. Nobody says 'The devil made me do it'. Even atheists and Satanists boast that they have free will (even though they actually are under the devil's bondage and do not know it.) The devil is given authority by God to deceive those who love lies. It is a person's own fault if they prefer lies to the truth. However, if governments are using black occult/martial arts, then the people are truly not guilty, and God knows this. This is why the Bible says that all sorcerors will go to Hell.
---frances008 on 10/7/08


MarkV: "Steven, we don't pray that we are worthy,... "

Then you are saying that the Word of God is in error for this is what it says. Like I told you before, take a year sabbatical from life and read the bible from beginning to end - not a verse here and a verse there like most Christians read today. Todays' Christians haven't scratched the surface of the meaning of the Word because of this way of studying the Word. Even most preachers, teachers and ministers teach a (popular) verse here and a (popular) verse there never getting into the heart of the Word.

2 Thessalonians 1:4-11
Try, no do an online bible search for the word "worthy."
---Steveng on 10/7/08


By ignoring the prophetic words of Jesus concerning the Last Judgement, people who fake Christianity are giving God a bad name and causing many atheists to blaspheme and say they don't want anything to do with a God that destroys the just as well as the unjust (merely because they do not have faith through no fault of their own). If we present a false doctrine and that puts them off, it is better that a millstone be tied around our necks and we be thrown into the sea. Don't try to organize God into a suitable box that explains all his actions past, present and future. We just do not know what God will decide will happen to any individual. We can, however warn them that lack of justice etc leads to eternal death unless it is repented of.
---frances008 on 10/7/08


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***You think man left to his own devises without a Bible, will naturally want to abuse and kill. No, it is only when the devil comes in that we listen to his voice and start to do evil things. Thus, some atheists we meet can be very nice people.***

Interesting thought Francess, but actually during the 1000 year reign, satan will be bound for 1000 years and guess what man will still disobey. Man will be under Kingdom LAW...not Grace.

God showing man after exausting all avenues..that one cannot say..The Devil made me do it!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/7/08


Steven, we don't pray that we are worthy, for no one is worthy of salvation. We believe by faith that the promises of Christ are true. Our whole relationship is by faith in Christ. No one deserves salvation, for everyone deserved hell. But because of the great love of Christ we would made alive to Christ not because of our works of righteous deeds but because of His mercy.
---MarkV. on 10/7/08


MarkV, I think you agree that nobody needs to be baptized for salvation. There are many who have never met the real Jesus Christ because the right preaching has never reached their ears. Matthew 25v31 to the end makes it very clear that other things save, apart from just faith and that those who do not believe might be able to be saved due to their innate love of God (and goodness). The goodness in them is a sign of the Holy Spirit. When they were baptized is something that even they may not know. How they were baptized is also mysterious. Accept that there are mysteries in life. We cannot know everything. By contrast many who believe will be thrown into Hell because even though they say 'Lord, Lord' they did evil things. Mtt 7.
---frances008 on 10/6/08


The Good Thief who was crucified alongside Jesus, made a declaration that showed his own understanding of his own guilt and by contrast, Jesus' own righteousness. This acknowledgement without any declaration of belief that Jesus was God, was enough to save him. Mark 10 shows us that what seems impossible to men, is possible to God, where salvation is the subject (vv26-27).
---frances008 on 10/6/08


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And you call yourselves Christians?

OK, so maybe you are, but your knowledge of the future is, well, a little out of line. When Jesus returns, the dead in Christ are resurrected and the living in Christ are to be caught up with them. These people will not see the second death.

At the end of the thousand year reign of Christ, the rest of the dead are to be resurrected. These people will be judged from the Book of Life according to their works.

Of course, as Christians, we pray that we are worthy to be taken in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 10/6/08


MarkV, read the sermon on the mount and read or google 'whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren' (that you do unto me). Also - If anyone is kind to a Christian or prophet, they will not lose their reward. That is in the Bible. Sorry I do not have time to look the references up. You should know all these references. In Matthew 13 it is the just that go to their reward, not just (meaning 'only') Christians. Using the letters j u s t and finding a connection with justified is not relevant as words have different meanings especially in different forms but even in identical forms. The Holy Spirit justifies, but some men are just by nature. They can do no good without God, therefore if they do good, it is due to God in them.
---frances008 on 10/6/08


God has continually shown us that he is able to save the righteous and destroy the wicked in the Old Testament. It is not in His nature to destroy good things, because He is a merciful God and creator of everything that is good. Some, by virtue of abusing their free will, due to love of sin, turned evil. That was not God's doing, and was a perversion of the natural order, and man's natural inclination to be a herd animal and to act in an accountable fashion. You think man left to his own devises without a Bible, will naturally want to abuse and kill. No, it is only when the devil comes in that we listen to his voice and start to do evil things. Thus, some atheists we meet can be very nice people.
---frances008 on 10/6/08


The Judgment Seat of Christ is for believers only. Those verses are found in 2 Cor. 5:9. And in 1 Cor. 3:11-15 speaks of what happens when we build on the foundation of Christ in life and how our works will be tested and how we will be given rewards for the good things we did, and the bad things we did will burn in the fire. What will remain are only the rewards.

On the other hand, The unbelievers I speak of are those who have not responded to the Truth in faith. They are going to go to the "Great White Throne of Judgment" Found in Rev. 20 and they will get what they have coming to them, they get no rewards for the good they did for they did it without faith in Christ so it too was sin.
---MarkV. on 10/6/08


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Kathr, I meant "Unbelievers'" and I put unbeliever in Christ, so that I could make myself clear what kind of unbelievers they were since many are unbelievers in other things or persons, like those who are unbelievers the world turns, but in fact I only confused it. Thanks for reminding me.
---MarkV. on 10/6/08


MarkV, I've never heard of unbelievers in Jesus Christ .

One can only be In Christ, and that is by believing. That's the Problem...Jesus said I AM the resurrection...One must be In Christ to be resurrected. Mortality must PUT ON immortality...and the Immortal one is our Savior Jesus Christ...This is why Paul says...PUT ON CHRIST! We're raised up TOGETHER WITH HIM! We're baptized into the Body of Christ. We're not individual little Gods. Christ WHO IS OUR LIFE!

But I know you know that! Others may not,and that's why I stated it.

Unbelievers in Christ???
Unjust Christians????

Where do these things come from? It may and does confuse people looking in who may not know the Bible.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/08


I would tell them the truth. I wouldn't blurt out "they are in hell". I would use the bible's words and let them know what God says about where sinners/non-believers are. I wouldn't sugar coat the bible or beat around the bush. God does know the heart of a person, and knows where they go after dying. Frances: God does not baptize anyone with his spirit who do not know him or about him. That is not what the bible says. Martin nz: Anyone who does not repent to God does not go to heaven, they go to hell. God does not send anyone to hell, people who do not accept Christ before dying they send themselves to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 10/6/08


.steveng, "This thereupon know, that in final days will be desecrating speakers, slanderers, not lovers of good, mockers, having not the Spirit. For out of the heart the mouth speaks. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Werefore by their fruits you all will know them. If they have called the Master of the house beelzeboub, how much more them of his household? They do this, for they are not of God."
---Eloy on 10/6/08


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You tell them that only God knows. That they did not live for God but you never know what happens in the last moment of that persons life, what took place in their heart. That is or less you were right there with them. And even then you don't always the changes going on inside.
---dayce on 10/6/08


Frances, where in Scripture does it state what you said? "Jesus baptizes others with the Holy Spirit, though they do not know about Jesus" Who are these people and where can I find that in Scripture? There is only two kinds of people, the just, and the unjust. The elect and the none-elect. The child of promise and the child of Hagar without the promise.
Only the unbelievers in Jesus Christ, will be at the "White Throne of Judgment" and will be judge by their works, found in Rev. 20.
The true believers will be at "the Judgment Seat of Christ" There works will be tested by fire, all the good works will bring them rewards, the bad one's will be burned, found in 1 Cor. 12-15.
---MarkV. on 10/5/08


Gee I don't what I would answer to the question. I would not answer Hell,

1. Because that is not loving, I may say in the care of God now.

2. Because I do not think all non-Chrisitians go to Hell. If so then the good samaritian who showed God's love more than anyone else will be there. And also so will the inhabitants of Assyria that repented when he sent Jonah. I do not think that they were either Jews or Christians but they repented.

3. This is one a personal bias. If God is good then why would he send anyone to hell for eternity. Yes perhaps I am too weak in faith to accept it but there you go. But the first two points hold all the same.
---Martin_nz on 10/4/08


***After Jesus came everyone should have become just, but they didn't. Some refuse to understand. Unjust Christians are not going to Heaven because they never repented.***

Oh my Fracnes, Who are the JUST....but those GOD has JUSTIFIED, through faith in Jesus Christ. There is no such thing as an unjust christian.

Here again....using Christian as some sort of generic word.....You are either a Christian or not. Please stop using Christian as some generic mis-guided assault upon REAL CHRISTIANS.

Those whom GOD has JUSTIFIED He has also GLORIFIED....PERIOD!!!!! Romans 8

Please stick to the scriptures and stop throwing salt-peter on the Sword! The WORD of God is our SWORD!!!! Not your understanding of it!
---kathr4453 on 10/4/08


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The Good Samaritan was not part of the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", for also Jesus had said "and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" Why did Jesus praise the kindness of the Good Samaritan? Matthew 10:42: "And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward." Matthew 25:40: "And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." Kindness and mercy have their rewards on high.
---Nana on 10/4/08


MarkV, I come against your exclusive idea of Heaven. It is not just for those who are baptized with water, Jesus baptizes others with the Holy Spirit, though they do not know about Jesus. If you look at that verse, why is Jesus telling the disciples of other parts of Heaven. He is telling them 'You are not the only ones I am saving.' Look at Matthew 13 and read that it is the just that go to Heaven and the unjust that go to Hell. There are just sinners and unjust sinners. There is a difference. After Jesus came everyone should have become just, but they didn't. Some refuse to understand. Unjust Christians are not going to Heaven because they never repented.
---frances008 on 10/3/08


Frances, with due respect, I don't know what you are talking about. what does Baptism have to do what you were arguing about? I have no clue what you are suggesting. Have no clue why you brought the subject up. I was not in any way talking about Baptisms. Do I know there is many? Of course. But there is only one baptism that connects us to one body, the Spiritual baptism and yet what does that have to do with my question to you? What in the world are you talking about?
---MarkV. on 10/3/08


MarkV_Once again,

MarkV_Being "Righteous" is UNATTAINABLE WITHOUT Yahshua(Jesus)...
By NATURE, ALL have SINNED and fallen short of his glory, But those who have been redeemed by HIS Blood "ARE" Righteous in the eyes of God already and are in "NO" need of the Physician(Jesus), Like the ones that are "still sick" does...
And that doesn't mean WE that are Blood bought can go thru life W/O Jesus either,
so please don't go their...

My reply was mainly to his last reply about this matter, and I see NO fault in it, I'll read it again and see...

I hope this answer your "?"...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/25/08
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 10/2/08


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.wayen, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 10/2/08


Eloy: "steveng, I am not a fool, that is your misjudgment, for on the contrary I am given the mind of Christ."

Well then, your christ didn't defined "sinuous nature" correctly.
---Steveng on 10/2/08


MarkV, there are many kinds of baptism. Most of them are not water baptism. Baptism of Repentance for the remission of sins, baptism of suffering, baptism of fire (those who went through a literal fire included - martyrs for Jesus and so forth), baptism of the Holy Spirit, baptism by water which is a sign of the faith of the family of the infant, or is a sign of belief in a believer. Some are for nonChristians some are for Christians. Jesus is THE WAY to the Father, because he is the one who decides who gets to go to Heaven to be with him for Eternity. By the way, God is also in Hell according to my King James Bible. Ps 139.
---frances008 on 10/2/08


Eloy, your pride is going to be your downfall. You say your given the mind of Christ????? If thats true, then why all of the venom against those who politly disagree, why all the pride? If thats the mind of Christ then you need to open your eyes, for you do not have the mind of Christ. You think you show how smart you are by saying you translate hebrew, I proved your hebrew wrong in another post, instead of trying to raise yourself up as being great, why not be a servant and lower yourself for once.
---wayne_n on 10/2/08


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Frances, you gave, "In my Fathers house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. And if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am there you may be also." Jesus was speaking soley to the disciples. Instead of the disciples lending support to Jesus in the hours before the cross, Jesus had to support them spiritually as well as emotionally. This passage has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
Are you saying that Jesus refuses true chrisitians into His kingdom? And what does this have to do with my question to Duane DD? Are you saying there is righteous by nature people out there who are lost, entering heaven without the righteousness of Christ?
---MarkV. on 10/2/08


.steveng, I am not a fool, that is your misjudgment, for on the contrary I am given the mind of Christ.
---Eloy on 10/2/08


Eloy: "Do you ask me again because you also desire to translate the truth, or do you ask again for some other ulterior motive?"

And you don't know? Don't be such a fool. Of course, for some other ulterior motive. You have a large vocabulary of worldly words which hides the spiritual truth. You would better understand the Bible through the eyes of a child. The child isn't inhibited by a large vocabulary and understands the Bible better than an adult. The definition of words today are a lot different than they were when first defined hundreds of years ago. It's one of those issues where good is bad and bad is good. An excellant example is the word "gay." Don't be so prideful of the number of words you pretend to know.
---Steveng on 9/30/08


Nana, I thank you for your kind words. MarkV, I respect your opinions, but the Bible clearly says that Jesus said 'My father's house has many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you.' Jesus did not say 'I go to prepare all the place for you, or 'the place' (Heaven) for you'. Jesus did say he would turn some 'Christians' away from Heaven. He mentioned many people who by doing good deeds 'would not lose their reward'. It does not sound like 'hell' if you do not lose your reward. The only way to Heaven IS through Jesus because He is the Judge. He decides who lived a life fulfilling the LOVE commandments. He will have mercy on whoever He wants to have mercy. That too is in the Bible.
---frances008 on 9/30/08


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.steveng, I have already posted some of the reference books, Scripture codexes and Manuscripts, and the Holy Bibles that I use, and I also informed you that you can also research the etymological databases online, yet you still ask me what books I use. Do you ask me again because you also desire to translate the truth, or do you ask again for some other ulterior motive?
---Eloy on 9/29/08


Deceased nonchristians are simply dead. They will be resurrected after the millennium. Revelation 20:5,11-15.
---Kim2u on 9/27/08


Duane D.D. while you said a lot again you didn't answer the question again. You gave me scriptures of those who are saved. You avoided my question in which you support Eloy in the fact that he says, there is righteous by nature people without Christ. You took his stand to support him and didn't do a thing to change my question.
Those that are save do not need help, only those who are lost. No people after Adam who are not saved, are righteous, they are self-righteous and need the rightousness of Christ to enter heaven. For all come short of the glory of God. Every single person.
---MarkV. on 9/27/08


Eloy: "I have a large vocabulary, but simply put, the sinuous nature is the opposite of the righteous nature. Sinuous comes from sin, which means crooked, crookedness, unrighteous, unrighteousness, wrong, wrongfulness, disobedient, offense, iniquity, unequal, hypocrisy, pretending, sinfulness, unjust, corrupt, perverse, evil, wicked, vile, cruel."

What reference books are you using to define "sinuous nature?"
---Steveng on 9/26/08


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.alanOfUk, I suggest that you look into a mirror before addressing me and others, for this will assist you in not sinning.
---Eloy on 9/26/08


MarkV_This IS truth,
"Jesus and the Word and I declare that there is indeed the righteous. The Word says: "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law to themselves: Which show the works of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and thoughts between themselves the mean while accusing or else excusing one another. Little children, let no person deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." Luke 5:32+ Romans 2:14,15+ I John 3:7.
---Eloy on 9/20/08

And I too will stand by every word said here...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/25/08


MarkV_Being "Righteous" is unattainable without Yahshua(Jesus)...
By nature, ALL have sinned and fallen short of his glory, But those who have been redeemed by HIS Blood "ARE" Righteous in the eyes of God already and are in "NO" need of the Physician(Jesus), Like the ones that are "still sick" does...
And that doesn't mean WE that are Blood bought can go thru life W/O Jesus either,
so please don't go their...

My reply was mainly to his last reply about this matter, and I see NO fault in it, I'll read it again and see...

I hope this answer your "?"...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/25/08


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