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Women Cover Their Heads

In the old days, women use to cover their heads when they would pray or go to church. Why don't women continue to do that today?

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// by Exz, Some people can dot all the i's and cross all the t's and still miss God while a sinner can say God forgive me a sinner and enter into heaven while the other is fixing their hair.//

Exactly.

Maybe I misunderstood you on another thread. This quote of yours says what I was trying to say when I understood you to say there are lots of rules for Christians to obey. True, but the reason one keeps the rules is because of the love of Christ and not from an "obeying the law" point of view.
---Rod4Him on 2/5/10


I agree with Char.
1 Cor 11:16
16 But if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
This basically means if you are going to argue or dispute over the issue it's not important.
If a woman wants to cover her head fine, if another woman doesn't want to cover her head that's fine too.
It wasn't a law or commandment but a "custom" of that day.
---ashle7439 on 2/5/10


Exzuchu,

Africa was taken over in the name of Christianity. The people were classed as uncivilised practically genocide and taught to follow a Holy Bible.

However the slavery God was talking about is where to treat your workers, workers today slaves then!!!!! with respect and not like dogs or worse still animals. In reverse your generation trys to convince the world the bible legalistic and no longer able to teach order-nances in the churches.

Forget the name calling Pharisee or Sadducee... sounds pretty impressive for one who should be teaching light, can a spring run both poison and fresh water in the same flow?.


Keep reading!
Stay blessed.
CarlaX
---Carla on 2/5/10


---Carla on 2/3/10 No one is saying you cannot grow your hair as long as you want but you are being extreme and putting something as important that is not. It is call staining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Matthew 23:23-24 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Some people can dot all the i's and cross all the t's and still miss God while a sinner can say God forgive me a sinner and enter into heaven while the other is fixing their hair.
---exzucuh on 2/5/10


1 Corinthians 11:9-10 Neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1 Corinthians 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

All Paul was saying was that a woman's hair distinguished her authority her exsousia power given to her by God. It puts her in the place of a woman and made a difference between Man, her, and the Angels. A woman is a unique creation of God, there were no female Angels before women came along. but there is now when they go to heaven.
---exzucuh on 2/5/10




LOLOL!! Good one, Rod4Him! :D
---Mary on 2/4/10


Reading this thread and others, it appears that a "Christian rule blog" needs started.

It could start with baptism, then, women must have long hair, men must have short, must give 10%, can buy and sell slaves, but treat them nice, must take the eucharist, must listen to the church traditions, must be circumcised, can't eat meat, must believe pretrib, must go to a church on Saturday. I know I am missing some. That's why need to a rules blog.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/10


How is a people without God going to advise the church on Godly matters when none of you agree? so who in here belong to the real church of God since the majority sides against scripture, pulling feeble scriptures together without going by the whole text Rightly Dividing The Word of TRUTH.

How will Paul pull out differing scriptures to make one? or contradict scripture using scripture?

There would be great contradiction to accept the accursed gospel that you both present and preach. I say to those blinded by the tradition/fashions of this world GO READ THE BIBLE AGAIN!
---Carla on 2/3/10


1 Corinthians 11:16

There is no requirement for the man to be covered (since the woman is next after the man) (not the man after the woman) or have of long(hair)( a woman's covering) because the man's Glory comes directly from God to Christ to him.

A Man to have (long hair) it is therefore a shame to him.

The(husband) Man's hair should not be long because the woman is the one in need for her Covering(hair) in Honour to both Christ/ God/ husband But more importantly in prayer to God

If a woman wears her hair short or shaved it is a shame to her and if she pray without her head covered she may as well be shaved or wear short hair.
---Carla on 2/3/10


Cluny:

It sounds more like char is saying that if you're not a Christian, wearing a hat as some kind of magic charm to protect you won't do any good.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/10




If Christ is not your covering...a veil,hat,sharf...etc...etc....etc...
will do you no good.
*****

Amen Char

only the HAIR is covering for womens head as Paul explains through multiple verses

...a women who deliberately cuts her hair has lost her covering ...placing a scarf on a womens head (in place of cut hair) or any other physical piece over head is worthless

the covering is HAIR it is PLAINLY written

but like many of Pauls writings religious christianity distorts them ...applies DIRECT teachings of the CHURCH to babblings of another era - for another people ...which is why religious christianity rejects most of Holy Word of God to follow the world and its god and customs 2Corin 4:4,11
---Rhonda on 1/17/10


Church:ekklesia-CALLED OUT ONES for worship.

Why Paul addressed the question for the Church of God in Corinth.
Corinth was the capital of the Roman province Achaia,the most important city in Greece during Roman times.A pagan city that worshipped Apphrodite-pagan goddess of love,beauty and fertility and where slave priestesses,sacred prostitutes:served.When prophesying-they let their hair down loosely-for seduction.
The custom throughout the region was to shave heads of the females in slavery,fornication and adultery.
Paul addressed these issues to the Church of God-establishing distinction:God is a God of order.
He concludes 1Cor11:16
But if any man seem to be contentious,have NO SUCH CUSTOM,neither the churches of God.
---char on 1/16/10


\\ If Christ is not your covering...a veil,hat,sharf...etc...etc....etc...
will do you no good.\\

In other words, when the Bible says that women should cover their heads, it means that women don't have to cover their heads.

Is this what you are saying?
---Cluny on 1/16/10


If Christ is not your covering...a veil,hat,sharf...etc...etc....etc...
will do you no good.

Praise God His Word is Truth and confirmed by His Spirit-no matter whose mouth it comes out of-male or female.

If God is not the Head of your home...
the man can't make up the difference.

Praise God for the single mothers out there who understand The Blood of Christ that covers them.
---char on 1/16/10


---Catherine on 1/10/10 Religious rituals are
are not acceptable to Jesus. In the Greek the word is Nomos.

Mark 7:8-9 For laying aside the commandment of God,
ye hold the tradition of men,
as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them,
Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Jesus was always telling the Jews they kept the rituals but forgot to live by faith to obey the ten commandments. You can wear a rag on your head or get your hair right or wear clothes you think is holy, But if you are not right and living by faith to lay down your life for the church and Jesus you are just religious.
---exzucuh on 1/15/10


A lot of woman who have their hair done they way they like it, and they do not want to mess up their hair-doos by covering them.
---Eloy on 1/10/10


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A side story here, 62 years ago this coming August my family drove to Mexico City. The largest Catholic cathedral in the Western Hemisphere is in Mexico City. My family took a tour of that cathedral which sets right on the plaza de reforma.(The center of the city) as we started in the guide told the women in the group that did not have a hat to take a handkerchief and pin itb on their heads. I remember the incident very well.
---mima on 1/10/10


The truth never changes. If no truth, then no unity. The church is doing a lot of ungodly things today in direct disobedience to God's word. Women are teaching men (not allowed!!) Eve sinned first thus causing the need for women to submit to and obey their husbands. It is in God's word, which is alive and is a two-edged sword. This keeps peace and establishes the God-given male authority in the household. Further, about headcovers, women who have cancer and have no hair have no need to cover their head to pray, because their glory is removed. Long hair is the glory of a woman, and that is why it should be covered within a marriage relationship. The glory belongs to the man in a marriage. God bless us as we seek to obey.
---Catherine on 1/10/10


African-American women often wear hats to church even today, complimenting the lovely Sunday-go-to-meeting clothes frequently favored by these parishoners.

But for the rest of us, dressing up for church is no longer the fashion. We still dress 'nice', but for many of us it's closer to business dress than Easter dress.

And hats and veils just look silly with plainer clothes.
---Nancy on 11/16/07


I believe besides being a tradition It was in reverence & a mark of respect to Almighty God while in His presence,or place of worship.
---Emcee on 11/15/07


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I believe besides being a tradition It was in reverence & a mark of respect to Almighty God while in His presence,or place of worship.
---Emcee on 11/15/07


Could it be that women cover their heads because they feel they are doing something religious?
Is it required of scripture for a woman to cover her head? Be it, catholic, Brethren, Mennonite, Amish, Islamics, etc?
---Chipper on 11/15/07


St. Paul in 1 Cor. 11:16 is referring to his own previous sentence: "for her hair is given to her for a covering", he's saying that hair by itself as a covering is not the custom of the Church. That the custom of the Church is as he stated in verse 10: "angels" here meant also bishops some of whom vowed celibacy like St. Paul did (1 Cor. 7:8) hence women are to cover their heads lest they cause them lust. In Christ through Mary. Jon
---Jon on 10/30/07


I observe a great deal of disrespect for women in the Muslim religion. Women are second rate humans if even that. They must be covered at all times while the hypocritical men can go around exposed.
Does this look like an attribute of a loving God?
---Chipper on 9/6/07


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Missy, I was a Praise and Worship leader in a home Bible study group for 6 years,never once did I cover my head,and the power of the Lord anointed us anyway. Don't worry about what men say. God nailed the handwriting of ordinances which was against us to the cross,he wouldn't establish another ordinance for women alone its contrary to New Testament way.
---Darlene_1 on 9/1/07


missy I think Christ loves your worship.
men (not all men)have a different way of looking at scripture about women then they do themselves.

Do you ever notice that there are scriptures that direct men to 'submit' ....silly stuff this is.
---Andrea on 9/1/07


....just silly
---Andrea on 8/31/07


Ok, so maybe Im not as Christian as the rest of you, butin my mind my God does not have an ego so big that such a petty issue (as not covering my hair )would stop him accepting my worship
---missy on 8/31/07


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Well I just thought of something, agree or disagree as you wish, y'all, but when a Christian woman goes around in a head covering or scarf, wouldn't she be easily confused with a Muslim woman?
---Mary on 8/31/07


1:Women's hair is considered their covering but the word is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Do they wish to follow the humility of the Lord and cover even when they don't have to or exalt themselves using the scripture about hair to look less feminine or possibly show equality? That's between them and God.I try to be as manly as possible but if I was a woman I would cover even though I wouldn't have to. I personally respect them whether they cover or let their mane grow.
Frank
---Frank on 8/31/07


2: Jesus could have had a kingdom on earth. They tried to make him a king but he turned it down. He could have made the stones bread but chose not to. In all ways he set an example in humility as opposed to exalting himself.
Paul said all things were lawful but would not let his liberty become a stumblingblock to others. Guys could wear skirts and be scripturally sound but it is better not to use that liberty to cause someone else to judge us and sin. A stumblingblock.
Frank
---Frank on 8/31/07


3: Some women still cover themselves. That is admirable. If men try to be as masculine as possible maybe women should try to be as feminine as possible. Men giving honour as being made in Christ's image. Women giving honour as being made as the image of his bride. But that's their choice. There is scripture both ways to allow some to use a liberty and others to not use a liberty. They discern the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hopefully their liberty will not be a stumblingblock to others.
Frank
---Frank on 8/31/07


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Rita H...you have nailed it completely. I myself am one of those who is always accused of being someone else. But as you said, if people have the same beliefs and are of the same Spirit, of course they are going to agree on the majority of what they write. Those who accuse many people of only really being 1 person with a multitude of names are really just picking up on many different people having the same "Holy Spirit" living within them and they are of "like-kind".
---Holly4jc on 8/31/07


I am totally confused. Several of you keep on about some people being another or several others. Only once have I slightly suspected that 2 people might be the same person but then I rationalized that they probably wrote similarly because they went to same type church and had similar education and probably similar age group. Obviously those will almost identical beliefs will write here in similar ways and use similar, or possibly, identical phraseology. Isn't that how it should be?
---RitaH on 8/30/07


Your hair is your covering, doth not nature itself teach you if it is a shame for a man to have long hair then it is a glory for a woman for her hair is her glory..
---kay on 8/30/07


Alan, no,I don't care who is who on here. If people are immature,need to play games with names that's between them and God. I will focus on the questions/answers and address that without getting into personalities. The Devil comes to bring confusion,the more things he can find to distract our attention from God/the Word,the happier he is. We are warned to work out our own salvation with"fear and trembling". Maybe some game players need to realize good reason to fear God.
---Darlene_1 on 8/30/07


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Andrea:
Yes Jesus washed the disciples feet... to show His humility.
The church obeyed Jesus, not the other way round.
Far too many women today want to "lord it over" their men (husbands) and this goes completly against scripture.
---Chipper on 8/29/07


Well-said, Andrea--very well said. :) Hope at least one domineering man listens and learns. :) God bless. :)
---Mary on 8/12/07


Darlene ... Do you understand what is going on on these blogs?
Who is who?
---alan_of_UK on 8/12/07


Oh the trivia that we find to waste time on. There is no magic formula to get God to notice us. When people talk about women submitting, they miss the part of men being submissive to God, so that they treat women as the equal. Look to what is important, the relationship, not the traditions to get there.
---dan on 8/12/07


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I love it when the same men get on a 'woman submit' - once in a great while a man will speak up.
Why on God's green earth would you want a woman to 'submit' to you.
Try - men honor your wife so that your prayers are not hindered.
Men if you are to be as Christ is to the church - do you realize that Christ washed the feet of the disciples and then died for the church.
Be very careful about asking that any human being be put down in favor of you. it is not the pattern that Jesus displayed
---Andrea on 8/11/07


Hi, I'm new to this blog and would like to say that I truly admire all of the participants' efforts to conduct a good, clean,intellectual Christian discussion. There are so many silly blogs out there that people waste their time on, fortunately this is not one of them. Well done.
---Annmarie on 8/7/07


There is no holiness in outward clothing.
1Pe 3:3 Do not let your adorning be external--the braiding of hair, the wearing of gold, or "the putting on of clothing"
:4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.
---john on 8/6/07


Woman's hair as covering. That's listed as a natural teaching, not spiritual.
Paul says if a woman will not wear a covering then her hair should be shorn(cut). If the hair is the covering and the woman will not wear a covering then her hair is already shorn. Either Paul is crazy or he is talking about a covering other than hair.
Paul says because of the angels. Demons are fallen angels. The hair-covering is a spiritual protection telling demons they have to go through the husband/father first.
---Mark_H on 8/4/07


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But if anyone thinks to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the churches of God."1 Cor 11-16.

Notice Paul said (paraphrasing) If anyone wants to make a big deal out of this, remember we have no such custom nor do the other churches.

It was a local Corinthian custom and not to be imposed on other assemblies.
---Bruce5656 on 12/22/06
---WheresBruce on 8/4/07


"Angels are minding the things of the spirit, not the physical covering of a womans head. 1 Cor. 11:12 states that, all power & authority comes from God, and is ministered by his angels, 1 Cor.11:3 states that, the head of Christ is God, and the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man."
---WheresBruce on 8/4/07


"Read all of 1 Corinthians 11,especially 16th verse,But if any man seem to be contentious,we have no such custom neither the churches of God. Plucking one verse out to make a doctrine is never a good thing. There is no such custom as a woman covering her head, it says not then,and in most churches not now,except by man's tradition. God has answered many a prayer of women with no head covering except the hair God placed on their head.
---Darlene_1 on 12/20/06 "
---HiDarlene on 8/4/07


"God has answered many prayers for me including miracles so saying a woman must be covered to get prayers answered, if she knows the verse, doesn't hold weight. God has shown me time and again its not true. God isn't into rituals anymore, neither were his churches as it states.The Bible speaks of rightly dividing the Word,that we must do,not add ordinaces that are hard to be observed.
---Darlene_1 on 12/22/06"
---HiDarlene on 8/4/07


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Angels can't make demands on humans and angels don't need a sign. They obey God and God alone. Your long hair doesn't do a thing for an angel. It's fundamental holiness, telling yourself you're holy because you don't trim you hair. When Jesus died on the Cross, the veil in the temple was torn from top to bottom. That was your sign that all religious tradition was put away. He did away with all temple law. You've put yourself back under new laws that old holiness preachers put there for you.
---Davis on 8/4/07


Elean..so if all the women and girls have their heads covered up, how to the angels determine who's married or not.
Does that not sound ridiculous to you that an angel would need to know if you're married. Christ is the Head of man and woman. Woman are accountable to Jesus Christ, like a man is. Man is to be the spiritual head of the household. Women don't hide under hair and a helmet to remove their accountability to Jesus Christ.
---Davis on 8/4/07


That's very similiar to mormonism. The man has all authority there. Why he even gets your new name to call you from the grave, if you're worthy.
Long hair and a hat doesn't make you holy and angels aren't moved by it either. They don't need an outward sign from you to determine your married state. They only listen to the Voice of God.
---Davis on 8/4/07


Davis: I clearly see that you don't understand spiritual things. So I won't try to justify my post on women and hair. You will get the point one day. Be blessed.
---Robyn on 8/3/07


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Amen, Davis! :) Love, love and LOVE your answers! :)
---Mary on 8/3/07


i do every time pray it seems when i do cover my head god respnd more qickly i don't know it seems to me plus i can get in the sprit more when my head is cover.
---vickey on 8/4/07


Women in our church cover their heads. It's a sign for Angels that the married women are under their husbands' authority as Paul states in Corinthians. Girls in our church cover their head also. We've always done it and are used to it.
---elena5773 on 8/3/07


Chipper Robyn, if you cut your hair off, will you lose your holiness? That would be a shame, like Samson, if you lost all of your strength to blog.
It's a good thing that cancer patients know that their holiness is not in their hair, but they know how to access the Holy Spirit for their Holiness.
Even if you can walk on your hair like Crystal Gayle or Morticia, I can't see that you're any more holy than the average person.
---Davis on 8/3/07


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I don't agree with the way you deceive others and think it's great fun. Marcia 23, Kathr 50 something, all of the little nuances to help you remember the million monikers you use.
I don't agree with your interpretations of the Bible or the Holy Spirit. No, I don't agree with you. But it is sad the way you plaster yourself over most every blog and smother out Scriptural truth.
---MarkN on 8/3/07


It is odd to me how men always come up with all these things women are suspose to follow and never say a word about giving men extra rules to follow. The Bible said there was no such custom in the church then,therefore,if it is now it had to be manmade,not God uttered. Some churches have whats called clothesline doctrines,this falls in a similar catagory,It isn't anything needed for salvation. To my knowledge this is Catholic doctrine,not all denominations.
---Darlene_1 on 8/3/07


Covered /uncovered, All things work together for Good. Those that serve God with a good heart and observe all things are possibly in a better light than those who think it robbery to obey the word and criticise their sister's for being an obedient stewardess of Christ. There Had Better Be Some Coming Together A House Cannot Stand Divided! A man may esteem one day more that the other when it comes to worship, as long as he is serving The true and living God why criticise?
---Carla5754 on 8/3/07


Women show their spiritual submission to their men, and to the Church with a covering in the primitive Church. Today a 'covering' is more symbolic or that compliance spoken of by Paul.
---John on 8/3/07


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MarkN: You don't have to agree with me on anything. I still hold the same position. It does not matter. We all are entitled to express our beliefs here. I am doing that. Blessings
---Robyn on 8/2/07


Chipper>Robyn>Marcia>Kathr, I don't agree with your fundamental holiness teachings.

What's sad, when I go back and look at older blogs - it's filled with Kathr,Chip,now Robyn,Marcia and your other monikers - filled to the brim. Your answers under different monikers, monopolizing so many of the blogs. It's hard to find the older bloggers with Scripural answers.
---MarkN on 8/2/07


It's interesting that people here who claim to believe the Bible will do ANYTHING to avoid following what the Bible says about women covering their heads.

The context in Greek CLEARLY means "with a veil or similar covering."

The only disagreement was whether this applied to ALL women or only married ones.
---Jack on 8/2/07


What are the old days? Are they 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago, 500 years ago.
When did God change??
Does God change His mind every 100 years or so? Maybe He changes with every generation.
---Chipper on 8/1/07


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Yes, you are the fundamental holiness preachers wife with apparently so much time on your hands, that you can portray yourself as 10 or so different people - because it's fun.
---Leonard on 8/1/07


Hair is the covering today for women. That is why we should not cut it off. Some churches use hats as coverings also. Like the COGIC churches, for instance.
That practice was acceptable in the old days but this is not the old days. It was a sign of respect and humility before God. I am sure if you wanted to do this at home/church during prayer time you could, if you just like the practice. I don't seen anything really wrong with it for today. Just an outdated practice.
---Robyn on 8/1/07


I am one of those who believe that it is a new day and the Holy Spirit has moved upon all flesh making it unimportant to adhere to laws of man. There is much liberty in Christ and one liberty that is for ME is to pray in any way that I wish as I am convicted to pray at all times. I try to stay in constant communication with God which means that I would constantly be wearing a hat. Laughable. I love and talk to Jesus anyway he will have me. Amen
---litla on 8/1/07


Why Kathr, that would be fundamental holiness church dogma. Aren't you the preacher's wife?
---Leonard on 8/1/07


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Prior to the 1st. and 2nd. world wars few women ever cut or bobbed their hair. The reason this tradition started was because the men and boys were off to war and the women had to work to support their children. They started cutting their hair so it would not get caught in the machinery they were working on. This "tradition" stuck to this day. A lot of women cut their hair in utter defiance and rebelion to Gods word. Look at photos of women prior to the wars, notice they mostly all had long hair.
---Chipper on 8/1/07


IMO, a lot of women cut their hair today in open rebellion to the command of scripture for a woman to be subject to their husband who is their head even as Christ is the head of the church.
Many women do not have any idea today that cutting their hair is wrong, and it's all because of tradition.
God says it's wrong for a woman to look like a man and a man to look like a woman.
---Chipper on 8/1/07


Okay, now I'm bummed. :( I always thought women just look pretty with long hair (some anyway--my hair is naturally curly and a pain lol), surely God didn't just give it to us to remind us to submit? That ruins it for me, personally.
---Mary on 7/31/07


Darlene 1 --You are right on. The woman's hair covering is a symbol of being the body connected to the head (her husband) and being the body which is submissive just as a physical body is to the physical head. She is not to usurp authority over the man. Meaning her husband. The word "the" is a definite article making man very specific. Not a man, or men, but the man. Like in "a book" or "the book".
---Dembie on 7/31/07


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One of the reasons is that many women in the western hemisphere believe that their hair is their covering.
---Tonia on 7/31/07


Story about head covering. In 1948, when visiting a Catholic cathedral on the plaza de la reforma in Mexico City I noticed that all women were required to cover their heads, even if that covering was just a pinned on handkerchief! ( Times they are a changing) I distinctly remember that my mother always wore a covering(hat) in church.
---Mima on 7/31/07


1 Cor. 11:16 But if any man seem to be contenious we have no such custom neither the churches of God. It was merely Pauls opinion not an order from God,therefore,there was never an odinance that women had to cover their heads,in fact, that same chapter says a woman's hair is her covering. Men/Denominations have a tendency to make ordinaces above the Bibles and whatever ordinance man makes is fruitless.
---Darlene_1 on 7/31/07




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