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God Takes Bad Christians Home

God is all knowing, does He take some/many Christians home before they can lose their salvation. Those who are on shaky ground and in danger of losing their salvation?
I don't believe in OSAS.

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Someone very close to me sincerely telling me they believed God will actually kill a believer in order to save them from straying from the faith.
---Mia_Collins on 3/16/16

It is based on John 15.

John 15:1-2 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away, and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit"

Now, this says nothing about what the Father does to the branches that do not bear fruit and He takes them away.

All is speculation beyond what is contained in these verses. But it seems to allude to the Father removing them from the vine. Once removed, do they lose their salvation or their life?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/16/16


Someone very close to me sincerely telling me they believed God will actually kill a believer in order to save them from straying from the faith. Ummm....really? Since God reminded me of this I decided to research it today. Research proved to be difficult because it would seem in all of the Web there is nill to nothing on the subject in support or opposition. I'm thinking, "Did she just make this up or is her pastor delusional?" Finally I found this blog and of coarse the supporting scripture has been grossly misinterpreted. ...continued...
---Mia_Collins on 3/16/16


To Melinda,all.respect..thankyou!
We should be tolerable..kind, loving

remember those little key chains?
What wud Jesus do??

'm love of jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/19/14


Why, even on a Christian blog people take offense at WORDS!
---Melinda on 5/19/14


OK, thanks guys I hope you'll forgive my pestering. The 1 Corinthians 11 passage is the one my friend sited as well in order to answer for the belief that God takes unrepentant Christians home early. So basically, yesterday I had my answer from you and didn't even know it. I really enjoyed meeting everyone and greatly appreciate the time you took to help me.
---terry on 7/30/10




There is an incident within the church at Corinth where a man was sleeping with his father's wife (1 Cor. 5). Paul wrote a letter, reminded them of present truth, and then exhorted the entire fellowship. They were so puffed up in their mercy, they didn't deal with the problem, which was as leaven within the church. The instruction was to deliver the man up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit would be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. In other words, they withdrew fellowship, not unto condemnation but unto restoration. The man did repent, and Paul exhorted them to forgive, love, and restore lest the man be bound up with too much sorrow. The conditions for this are in verses 3 and 4.
---Linda on 7/29/10


Tony writes, "God will bring them home, if they refuse to be who He called them to be as a witness in the earth." Can you tell me where that passage is found?
---Terry on 7/29/10


Hey guys I think you put some verses up here concerning my question. Thanks. Is there one though that actually indicates that if a saved person gets really sinful God will take them home before losing their salvation? Someone told me it existed and I think I recall seeing something similar, but they couldn't tell me where the passage was found.
---terry on 7/28/10


1 Cor 5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters, for then must ye needs go out of the world

1 Cor 11:29-32
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Tells me that if we dont watch our step, for the Lord can and sometimes does take us out of the world.
---JackB on 7/28/10


EPHESIANS 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by JESUS CHRIST to him self according to the good pleasure of his will.
---RICHARD on 7/28/10




I don't know. Either you believe & follow God or you don't. God gives us plenty of chances while here in this life to accept him or deny him, then at the final judgement he chooses to live eternity with him in his kingdom or be eternally forgotten & be nothing.
---candice on 7/28/10


God is all knowing, does He take some/many Christians home before they can lose their salvation. Those who are on shaky ground and in danger of losing their salvation?

I have heard of this before.
I would say those who could not endure tribulation, may be put to sleep. I would not say those who are easily tempted with sin, because we are all called to overcome sin.
---FRANCIS on 7/28/10


"Bad Christians", is that like a "sinner saint", a "lost found" person? There is no such thing, for either a person is "Christian" which is Christlike because Christ lives in them, or else a person is "not Christian". Nothing "bad" gets into heaven.
---Eloy on 7/28/10


I've been looking for two days. Can anyone tell me where the verses are found that state God takes bad Christians home early. Thanks
---Terry on 7/27/10


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Rhonda, who appointed you or anyone else here to issue warnings? No one on these blogs has the authority to tell anyone what to do or what to refrain from doing.
---Kim2u on 10/1/08
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Kim before you fly off the handle I STRONGLY SUGGEST you ACTUALLY READ ALL POSTS before posting in haste ....because you look foolish

...I never "warned" anyone ...so please YOU TOO can get off your high and mighty horse and trot back down to reality because you talk out BOTH sides of your "mouth" in your very own post
---Rhonda on 10/3/08


Rhonda, who appointed you or anyone else here to issue warnings? No one on these blogs has the authority to tell anyone what to do or what to refrain from doing.
---Kim2u on 10/1/08


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If you are a sheep you can never be a dog, a wolf in sheep's clothing, a viper, a swine, or a goat. All these are used to describe humans in the Bible. The believers are the sheep. God will never desert them and will bring them home to be with him. He may remove them entirely from the scene of this battle between good and evil, for their own eternal salvation.
---frances008 on 10/1/08


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Linda, I must warn you not to change scripture. We all know what a hypocrite is, but it is evident the Word of God itself is not your primary guide to living the Christian life."
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if youre attempting to use Heb 12:1 as your "guide" telling other Christians Gods Holy Word is not their primary guide then please STATE you are giving an OPINION of scripture so newer Christians are not led astray by your gross misunderstanding Gods Word

Heb 12:1 is not about Christians "choosing their own ways" apart from God as you wrongly suggest that Gods Holy Bible is not the primary guide

TRUE Christians KNOW Gods Holy Word is primary source for living a Christian life and WALKING with Christ
---Rhonda on 10/1/08


I don't believe he does at all. If one doesn't want God in their lives, God won't stay there. If their heart is getting cold and not on fire for God, God won't take their lives just because they are on shaky ground. God gives everyone a choice, either you want him in your heart or you don't. I have never heard of this.
---Rebecca_D on 10/1/08


When you say "I" mentioned the hypocrite, actually the scripture mentioned hypocrite and in context, Jesus said the evil servant would have his portion "with" the hypocrite. Therefore, it still refers to two types of servants in Matthew 24:46-48, the faithul and wise servant, and the evil servant who, if he continues to do what those scriptures say, will have his portion "with" the hypocrite!
---Theresa on 8/10/07


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Linda, I must warn you not to change scripture. We all know what a hypocrite is, but it is evident the Word of God itself is not your primary guide to living the Christian life. Hebrews 12:1 says "let us lay aside every weight and the sin which doth so easily beset us and run the race with patience which is set before us." Jesus gives us the strength through His Spirit and direction through His Word being obeyed.
---Theresa on 8/10/07


Why do so few Christians want to grow in the Lord and accept the Word? II Corinthians 7:1 says "..let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God." Romans 8:13 says"...but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." God's given us the ability to do this as we grow in HIM. Are you an advocate of Christians sinning or what?
---Theresa on 8/9/07


Theresa, you mentioned the hypocrite. The hypocrite is not one who has truly received Jesus and has the Holy Spirit working in his heart. A hypocrite today is the same as a hyprocrite in the days Jesus first walked...those who think their self-righteousness earns them a leg up on God, whose behavior may look right but whose hearts are far from Him because they reject Him for their self-righteousness. These are the ones who are blind because they can't see they are sick and in need of a physician.
---Linda on 8/9/07


They think they are so holy by their own standard that they don't need a Savior. I totally agree with maturing in the Lord. That's the whole point and why we should be ourselves careful about being so quick to judge another. Only the Lord knows where they are in their growth and only He knows how much revelation they have received. They are only responsible for the light they have been given and maturity in one area does not necessarily mean maturity in another area.
---Linda on 8/9/07


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In the end, we all need mercy. Those who look at the lives of others and expose their faults are in the comparison business. They are essentially saying, "You don't meet this standard and I do, therefore I am holier than you and have a right to sit in the judgment seat". First of all, there is only one who has that right. Second of all, the Word tells us not to compare ourselves with one another or even compare ourselves with ourselves.
---Linda on 8/9/07


Those who compare and judge will find that when they compare themselves with the True Standard (Christ), they are missing the mark as well. We are all still in the process of having our minds renewed.
---Linda on 8/9/07


I was living with one foot in the world and one foot in the church and God started dealing with me about my life style. I had lived all of my chistian life this way. God was patient with me until I had grown in knowledge of the Word and learned what was right and wrong. I was making some bad choices and was purposely walking in sin. God told me through the Word that I was going to follow him totally or my life was going to be shorten. I recommitted my life to Christ and I have not looked back. Joy9988
---joy9988 on 8/9/07


Linda, first of all I haven't slightly implied that salvation comes by works. It is "not of works" lest any man should boast according to scripture. There are stages of growth.Hebrews chapter 5 talks about babes in Christ versus those that are of full age. Working out our salvation is to "walk in the light as He is in the light." Jesus saves and saved me, but as it states in I Corinthians 3:19 (Christ being our foundation), be careful how YOU build thereupon.
---Theresa on 8/8/07


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I never said "works" save you. That's a misinterpretation of the scripture reference used to talk about "working out our own salvation" after Christ initially baptizes us into the body of Christ,(I Corinthians Chapter 12.) This is a walk of faith and by faith we follow Christ. Be careful not to twist and put words in people's mouths when you're dealing with the truth of scripture reference. The Word says it. Don't reject it.
---Theresa on 8/8/07


Theresa, salvation is wholeness. To work out your own wholeness would be to work out "complete and whole in Him who is the head of all principality and power". It would be to work out life, liberty, love, purpose, healing, health, strength, prosperity, restoration in every realm. Work out your own salvation doesn't mean that we work to receive it. It means we discover what Christ provided and, by faith, work that out from our spirit man into our soul and into our bodies.
---Linda on 8/8/07


I understand that and, like I said on another blog, I do good works. However, I do not trust in my good works to save me. I trust Christ. That is not departing from the living God.
---Linda on 8/8/07


Linda, once again, we are not to "float" around while Christ comes to live out our Christian walk for us. We are to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling." You can't continue to reject God by living wilfully contrary to His word!The end of Matthew 24 deals with two types of servants. The evil one receives his portion with the hypocrites at the end. Don't be deceived!
---Theresa on 8/7/07


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Does God "zap" every Christian believer that falls or sins? NO, but warns us not to leave the Lord by continous sin. Hebrews Chapter 3:12-14 says "take heed brethren lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.But exhort one another daily....lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ,IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end." "If" presents a condition.
---Theresa on 8/7/07


If you have to ask for something Jesus has already accomplished by His death, you are essentially asking Him to die again. He did it, offered it, and now expects you to receive it by faith. If I hand you something and say, "This is yours" and you receive it, would you come to me again later and ask me for it again though it is already your possession?
---Linda on 8/7/07


Melissa,
If a Christian is unforgiven, he is not a Christian. There is no such animal.
Christians are born again saints, made righteous, dead to sin and alive to God.
Jesus became sin for us. He was wounded for our trangressions.
HE died for our forgiveness and rose for our life. Sin is not counted against us.
Forgiveness of sin is our gift...Will we keep asking for a gift HE already gave us???
---duane on 8/7/07


Duane-I believe that the cross took away our sins, but we have to ask for forgiveness. It is not automatic, and if someone chooses sin after experiencing salvation - they must ask for forgiveness again for the "new" sin they have committed. Lots of people deny the cross by not taking the free gift of salvation it offers.
---melissa on 8/7/07


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Have you not read the Parable of the Sower? (Luke8:4-15) Or the soon-to-come prophesy of the great falling away from the faith?
---Steveng on 8/6/07


Virginia I believe the same thing that Duane said. If you could lose your salvation then why does Ephesians 1:13 say In whom you have also trusted, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were SEALED with that HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE. You are saved once and you do not lose your salvation.
---Cynthia on 8/6/07


Duane, you are so confused, you don't know if you are coming or going. Jesus did die for our sins, but he in no way, shape or form took it away. As long as Satan controls the Earth, people will be tempted to break God's laws. thus many christians continue living in sin every day unless they repent of it. the only sins blotted out are those WE repent of personally. If we listen to you, we can commit every sin we want and still enter God's kingdom. WRONG.
---Lori on 8/6/07


No. No where in any scripture can you find that. God doesn't need us in heaven. God doesn't kill.

God doesn't take back salvation from a person either.
---Rickey on 8/6/07


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Sin can take more than one's salvation if one allows it to, hence the scripture "..be ye angry & sin not, ...".

Read what was revealed to the apostle Paul in his personal battle with sin in Romans 7:15-25,8:1,2-10,11-17. The letter of Hebrews addresses this exact same issue [Hebrews 6:4-6].
---Bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 8/6/07


....You people have really lost it...
The sin issue has been dealt with...Jesus took sin away. Sin cannot take salvation away. We are dead to sin.
HE became sin for us.
HE bore our sins on the cross
Dont deny the cross.
---duane on 8/6/07


Thank you to Tony for being brave enough to get to the heart of the OSAS false doctrine! Bottom line: All who sin must repent, whether you have been saved before or not! Sin is sin! You can't sin and see Heaven! Period!
---melissa on 8/6/07


catherine, that was from one of your Bible tools. What exactly did it mean and what does it have to do with the question?
---Davis on 8/4/07


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He must show the house of Jacob their sins. They had admitted those to the privileges of the Sanctuary that were not entitled to them. Yet if these strangers had been devout, though they were not circumcised, the crime would not have been so great, But they were uncircumcised in heart too, strangers indeed to God and all goodness.
---catherine on 8/4/07


I believe that God may do that sometimes.
---catherine on 8/3/07


I don't know God's motives for allowing some people to die sooner than others but it could be that had they lived, they would face terrible adversities. It could be that others begin to take life and their salvation seriously when contemplating the death of someone they knew. Just thoughts... We can rest assured that all things work together for good to them that love God.
---Robin on 8/3/07


Your answer lies in your question. there's always exceptions!

The Apostle Paul was given a thorn in his flesh to keep him humble [from sinning/pride] because of the abundance of God's revelations given him.

Again only God Himself knows for certain.
---bob_[Elishama]_4679 on 8/3/07


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In church years, you are relatively new, RD.
I've heard of it. I know a Christian man, a Church of Christ preacher - he beat his kids continually. He was nice to all kids but his own. They were beaten almost everyday, kicked and beaten with a belt. That man drown at an early age. I think God took him home before he lost his salvation. I don't believe in OSAS, either.
---Toby on 8/3/07


I knew a VietNam Vet, had a horrible time with drugs, in and out of rehab constantly. He played the piano at his church. He also played at community church events. He loved the Lord. He'd fall down, back into drugs (heroin), repent and cry like a child. This went on for several years. His struggle was great, he died one day at home. I believe God took him home early before he fell completely back into the drug culture, or committed suicide.
---Toby on 8/3/07


I'm also reminded of Jeffrey Dalmer, the criminal. They said he became a Christian, he was murdered in prison by another prisoner. Possible God let him come home before he could fall away from the Lord. He was murdered, but he had murdered many.
---Toby on 8/3/07


God will do everything he can to save the people. The very evil ones are to be handed over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. This is the Biblical instruction for the church for unrepentant evil people. 1 Cor. 5:5
---john on 8/3/07


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There are also those who have the opportunity to accept Jesus, laugh or mock about it. I know a rodeo preacher that makes the circuits during rodeo season. He preaches to the crowds in the stands on Sunday mornings, holds church services for the rodeo cowboys.
Two drunk cowboys, laughed and made fun all through one of his services. They died before they made it home, in an accident. They were given the opportunity, one last time.
---Toby on 8/3/07


OSAS would say if those young men were chosen, they didn't have a thing to worry about. I don't believe that. OSAS says you can be a drunk driver, be a killer on the highway, or a killer of any kind and still be chosen. If you were a Christian as a child, you can kill others, no need to repent as duane claims, you're covered for the entire duration. I don't believe that for a minute.
---Toby on 8/3/07


God is all knowing. He knows the beginning of our lives until the end. He knows if we will decide at some point in our life to accept Christ. He doesn't make that decision for us. He allows us to choose Him.
I absolutely believe, in God's Love and kindness, He takes some home early before they fall completely back into the devil's hands.
---Toby on 8/3/07


Paul speaks of "another Jesus", in 2 Corinthians 11:4. There are people who are involved with a FALSE Jesus Christ, and these can be very Bible knowledgeable AND bossy and critical of others, NEVER being a good example of confessing how they themselves are wrong. God may remove these bad examples, in order to protect real younger Christians. "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/3/07


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I have often wondered about this as well. It could explain some of the tragic deaths of children and young Christians. I have wondered if God has chosen to take them in their innocence before temptation can get a hold on them. He knows all.
---melissa on 8/3/07


I have often wondered about this as well. It could explain some of the tragic deaths of children and young Christians. I have wondered if God has chosen to take them in their innocence before temptation can get a hold on them. He knows all.
---melissa on 8/3/07


Christians, those that are truly saved cannot be lost. The key is if they are truly saved. Only God knows who is truly saved. We can judge someones sanctification, because that is seen, but salvation is an inward work of God. God does not take christians home before they lose their salvation, but he will bring them home if they refuse to be who he called them to be as a witness in the earth.
---Tony on 8/3/07


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