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Where in the Word does it say that the Bible is the ONLY authority for Christians?

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*Since the beginning of time, many people have chosen to ignore all that God has meant to humanity and trade a personal relationship with Him for a relationship with a book (God sends them a strong delusion

I hear you but am left wondering if one can with an open heart/mind read the Bible without the Holy Spirit convicting one of His truths. Does not God work through His word?
---Lee1538 on 10/16/08


The strong delusion has never been FORCED on humanity, it has been only WELL DESERVED (self imposed for those who rather worship the creation/mankind's 'churches' instead of the creator).

The bible is not an authority for those who truly love God.

John 10:27
"My sheep HEAR my voice".

Matthew 28:18

"ALL authority in heaven AND EARTH...".

Love God, do not love the bible.
---more_excellent_way on 10/16/08


Each person has to decide for themselves whether they want GOD and conscience to be their only authority or whether they want the bible to determine the destination of their soul. You can comply fully with the bible and qualify for the imagined 'book heaven' (sorry, there really is no such thing as 'book heaven').

The bible is not an authority for the new testament Christian, it is a REFERENCE.

Since the beginning of time, many people have chosen to ignore all that God has meant to humanity and trade a personal relationship with Him for a relationship with a book (God sends them a strong delusion).

Decide today whom you shall serve, the bible cannot love you.
---more_excellent_way on 10/16/08


Lee* I would like is to see some stats on how many pastors were found guilty in courts of law. We do know that there are many RCC priests in prison today because of their problem.

Along with the Protestant's Pastor's

And I would like to know what kind of price was paid to plainants, I rather doubt that it even comes close to what you find in the RCC.

Even if given to you, you would still have doubts's!
---Ruben on 10/14/08


Ruben - *Christianity Today noted there were 70 child abuse allegations reported against American Protestant churches each week during the last 10 years, a quarter of which were against pastors.

There seems to be something wrong with those stats as if true,there would be 3,640 allegations per year and I am left wondering if there would be any churches not afflicted at the end of 10 years.

I would like is to see some stats on how many pastors were found guilty in courts of law. We do know that there are many RCC priests in prison today because of their problem.

And I would like to know what kind of price was paid to plainants, I rather doubt that it even comes close to what you find in the RCC.
---Lee1538 on 10/13/08




While every institution has had problems with sexual abuse, the Roman Church has has far more problems in this area and I would surmise that it is because of their 'tradition' of covering up the transgressions of those that have these problems.
---Lee1538 on 10/13/08

Christianity Today (an evangelical Protestant magazine) noted that there were 70 child abuse allegations reported against American Protestant churches each week during the last ten years , a quarter of which were against pastors.
---Ruben on 10/13/08


Vatican archives reveal Bible was once banned book By Jude Webber ROME, Jan 22 (Reuters)

The infamous Index of Forbidden Books, which Roman Catholics were forbidden to read or possess on pain of excommunication. They showed that even the Bible was once on the blacklist. Translations of the holy book ended up on the bonfires along with other ``heretical'' works because the Church, whose official language was Latin, was suspicious of allowing the faithful
Access to sacred texts without Ecclesiastical guidance.

Excommnication often resulted in death. Since you could no longer buy food.
---Samuel on 10/13/08


Ruben - *some statistics can be gleaned from three insurance companies that provide liability coverage for 165,500 Protestant churches in the United States:By William MoyerBinghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin

While every institution has had problems with sexual abuse, the Roman Church has has far more problems in this area and I would surmise that it is because of their 'tradition' of covering up the transgressions of those that have these problems.

A neighbor was going into the priesthood but after finding out the seminary was overrun with sexual deviants, dropped out - a story all too often told.
---Lee1538 on 10/13/08


The lawsuits involving millions of dollars to complainants depicts the failure of the Roman Church policy of no marriage for priests. Eventually this policy will change as the number of recruits to the priesthood further declines.
---Lee1538 on 10/11/08


You should by now realize that the RCC has shelled out around a billion dollars to those who were abused. Has non-catholic churches done the same?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08


some statistics can be gleaned from three insurance companies that provide liability coverage for 165,500 Protestant churches in the United States:By William Moyer
Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin
---Ruben on 10/1/08




You should by now realize that the RCC has shelled out around a billion dollars to those who were abused. Has non-catholic churches done the same?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08


Yes:
Among Protestants, the landmark case involved a woman who accused the Episcopal Diocese and the presiding bishop in Colorado of covering up the sexual misconduct of her priest. When the jury found the church liable and ordered church leaders to pay her $1.2 million in 1991, LA Times/March 25, 2003 (Teresa Watanabe)
---Ruben on 10/1/08


You should by now realize that the RCC has shelled out around a billion dollars to those who were abused. Has non-catholic churches done the same?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08

Has the abuser file a lawsuit?
---Ruben on 10/1/08


Isa 8:20 is "not" talking about the torah nor the prophets, please read v16-19 Ruben

The word Law in hebrew is Torah in english.

The RCC states that wicked evil men because of their office can be representives of GOD standing on earth in his place. Both the Early Church Fathers and the Bible says this is false. I Timothy 3:8-12 Samuel

Early Church Fathers were Catholic's Ruben

catholic small c. But even if what you say is true. Then the RCC has left what the Early Catholic church taught and substituted a lie and a false doctrine. Either way that still makes the present RCC false.
---Samuel on 10/1/08


Yes Nicole the RCC does teach a person made a priest by them is a priest forever.

But I do not see a wicked person being made a priest by GOD. The Jews felt that since GOD had selected them it did not matter how wicked they were they could still be saved.

But the Prophets of the Bible and especially John told them they were wrong.

Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Wicked liars cannot be the Representives of GOD.
---Samuel on 10/1/08


Ruben - *Lee that goes for all Men that has this disturbing problem, which you fail to acknowledge!

What you fail to acknowledge is that in teaching men to suppress their natural and normal desires you effectively create such monsters. And further complicate things by simply transferring an abusive priest somewhere else.

You should by now realize that the RCC has shelled out around a billion dollars to those who were abused. Has non-catholic churches done the same?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08


Alan of UK,


The RCC abandoned the quasi-doctrine of Limbo. Limbo was an attempt to figure out what God did with the souls of, say,unbaptized infants or virtuous pagans. So they were put in "Limbo," which is where the concept of Limbo is now. Limbo was never a fully-authorized teaching, rather it was a folk teaching, like some of the more exaggerated ideas about the Rosary and Mary Queen of Heaven.

Purgatory, on the other hand, is still an official RCC doctrine with the idea that Scripture promises we will all be made perfect, therefore, they conclude that God completes the process in some way, a process of cleansing, or purging = Purgatory.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/08


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Nicole - *The meaning of Once a Priest always a Priest means that once God acted it is done forever.

Hey that is real cool!

My brother-in-law was a RCC priest for years until his wife 'converted' him.

He was released from his vows as a priest several years later.

So what you believe is that once God has acted, it is done forever, can be undone by your church.

When are you going to declare it a non-sin for priest to follow their passions and do whatever they wish. After all, you claim your church can change anything God has done?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08


MarkV: "...there is no Moses seat. Jesus was giving an expression. The expression here is they have seated themselves in Moses seat-stressing the fact that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves."

It's amazing how you completely misunderstand your only Authority:

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you." (Matt.23:1-3)

There was nothing "imaginary" about their authority. They had complete authority, despite the fact that they were evil. Of course, the only reason this was recorded in Scripture is because it applies under the New Covenant.
---Luke65 on 9/30/08


Lee:-Do you ever get sick,or grow old do you have need of a physician?well people who transgress the law of God need an eccliastical Doctor The OT Prophet Ezekiel attests to that-18:25-28 & has the answer for you.Look at the stain on your own back.ST Paul says We all have fallen short of the Glory of God.You make it sound like you are sanctimoneous.People in Glass houses shouldnt throw stones.
---MIC on 9/29/08


**He is a Priest in Heaven forever or a Priest in Hell forever!**

St. John Chrysostom (the inventor of expository preaching) said that the floor of hell is paved with the bald skulls of priests.

Priests are men, after all, and men are sinners (includint the men and women who post to these blogs).

Should we be so surprised when sinners sin?
---katavasia on 9/30/08


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But Nicole ... Does he remain a preiest in our society?

Clearly these evil men should not.

And yet in the past, the RCC has allowed them to continue as presi to the people, and hidden their activities so that more children have beenh wronged.

I am not being anti_catholic, for it has happened also in other denominations, where I would say pastors are simil,arly "preists" although theyt don't carry that name, nor are they "ordasined" using the same words.
---alan_of_UK on 9/30/08


The Roman church proclaims that once a priest always a priest. Unfortunately the Roman Church has finally realized that you cannot get rid of an evil priest simply by re-assigning him someplace else.---Lee1538

Once more again you speak on something you know not.
Do you hear me speaking on the Koran?
No, because I don't know much about it.

The meaning of Once a Priest always a Priest means that once God acted it is done forever.

Holy Orders is 1 of the 7 Sacraments.
Means that God Acts not mere men.
The power of God.

Once a Priest always a Priest means that he is ordain forever.
Not even Peter can take away his priesthood.

He is a Priest in Heaven forever or a Priest in Hell forever!
---Nicole on 9/29/08


Lee* As to non-catholic minister, they are out of a job if they violate the oaths of their ministry.

Maybe so, but they find other means to continue their evil ways like janitor, schools bus drivers..etc..etc..

Lee* About 20 miles from where I live there is a facility that treats priests who have problems (Jemez Mts). They used to think that prayer & meditations were the means of curing priests with sexual problems but have now realized that such remedies simply do not work as those 'cured' go back to their old habits of abuse.

Lee that goes for all Men that has this disturbing problem, which you fail to acknowledge!
---Ruben on 9/29/08


Samuel * Not an assumption. The Bible is referred to as being the Law (Torah) five books of Moses and the Prophets ( Testimony. )

Isa 8:20 is "not" talking about the torah nor the prophets, please read v16-19

Tradition does not contridicts Scripture , please give a example! Ruben

"And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also."(2 Tim 2:2)


The RCC states that wicked evil men because of their office can be representives of GOD standing on earth in his place. Both the Early Church Fathers and the Bible says this is false. I Timothy 3:8-12

Early Church Fathers were Catholic's
---Ruben on 9/29/08


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*While you are getting rid of the evil Priests, please do the same for the evil Protestant Pastors.

The Roman church proclaims that once a priest always a priest. Unfortunately the Roman Church has finally realized that you cannot get rid of an evil priest simply by re-assigning him someplace else.

As to non-catholic minister, they are out of a job if they violate the oaths of their ministry.

About 20 miles from where I live there is a facility that treats priests who have problems (Jemez Mts). They used to think that prayer & meditations were the means of curing priests with sexual problems but have now realized that such remedies simply do not work as those 'cured' go back to their old habits of abuse.
---Lee1538 on 9/29/08


Yor are assuming that Law and testimony refer only to the written part of God's word. Ruben

Not an assumption. The Bible is referred to as being the Law (Torah) five books of Moses and the Prophets ( Testimony. ) That is still taught by the Jews.

Tradition does not contridicts Scripture , please give a example! Ruben

The RCC states that wicked evil men because of their office can be representives of GOD standing on earth in his place. Both the Early Church Fathers and the Bible says this is false. I Timothy 3:8-12

There are many more this is a start.
---Samuel on 9/29/08


1Co 11:2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

2Th 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

Having communal worship on Sundays - the Lord's day -instead of the OT Sabbath is one of those traditions we need to observe.
---Lee1538 on 9/29/08


Ruben, there is no Moses seat. Jesus was giving an expression. The expression here is they have seated themselves in Moses seat-stressing the fact that this was an imaginary authority they claimed for themselves. There was in a legitimate sense in which the priests and Levites had authority to decided matters of the law. (Deut. 17:9), but the scribes and pharisees had gone beyond any legitimate authority and were adding human tradition to the Word of God (15:3-9). For that Jesus condemned them (vv.8-36). "Why do you transgress the commandment of God because of your traditions?" reading 15:3-9, you will see the same thing happened in the RCC by changing the meaning that God had given, and replaced them with their own traditions.
---MarkV. on 9/29/08


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No Ruben, there is no contradictions in Scripture. And if a person really wants to know about God and what His meaning really is, he will do his best to make sure he is correct in his interpretation. What you have done is gone out of your way to discredit God's Word in the first place so that you can add the traditions of the RCC as proof of Authority, when it is the Word of God you should be defending as a true Christain. If you are saved, you would do everything possible to make sure that no one makes a mockery of the Word of God.
---MarkV. on 9/29/08


1Ti 3:15 if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of truth.

Luke - how do you get the idea that the church of the living God in this verse refers to the Roman Catholic church?

There is certainly a vast difference between recognizing and confessing the church as the pillar & support of the truth, and confessing the church to be the final arbiter of truth itself.

As a pillar hold something up and in this case, it is certainly the truth of God as revealed in Scripture.
---Lee1538 on 9/28/08


God TESTIFIED of his SON.
1JN5:6-21

The enemy lies resulting in contradictions/Chao's with mans teachings.

The Authority is IN THE NAME.
Phil2:9-10
...and given HIM a NAME which is ABOVE EVERY NAME...EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW...


Believe in the death/resurrection of JESUS CHRIST, Son of GOD/Son of Man.
ALLOW the Holy Spirit TO BEAR WITNESS...TRUTH.
Be SAVED from Chao's.
1 Cor 2
Romans 10:9-10

PRODUCING FRUIT?
IF IN THE BODY OF CHRIST,WE WILL.Eph5:9
Gal5:22
LOVE,JOY,PEACE,GENTLENESS,FAITH etc...

Instructed to Pray to OUR FATHER ONLY...NOT to those who have gone to be in his presence.
It's SPOKEN by the MOUTH of OUR LORD and WRITTEN in the WORD.
Luke 11:2-5
(SON TESTIFIED)
---char on 9/28/08


Nicole, you see! Evil priests entered the flock and acting like sheep they were wolves. We should not put people into such places of power. Especially not in positions to obtain personal information through the confessional, about everyone in the world, Catholic and Protestant and Muslim (etc). We never know who they are actually working for.
---Frances008 on 9/26/08

While you are getting rid of the evil Priests, please do the same for the evil Protestant Pastors.

What power Jesus has given, only He can take away.
He is God, and you are not!
Evil never prevails over WISDOM!
---Nicole on 9/27/08


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"IF"(?) Tradition(s) contradicts Scripture, I would check your "Traditions" 1st, before spewing heresies that can/will condemn your soul to Hell's fire!
It's mans own mind that contridicts the scriptures that have been given to us,
Stumble not at what you know not and seek that which is hidden from the heart's & Minds of men.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/27/08


Samuel: "If a tradition contridicts Scripture how can it be true? Does GOD contridict himself?"

No, God cannot contradict Himself - truth cannot contradict truth. Therefore, Protestantism cannot be of God since they contradict each other. Now all you have to do is prove that infallible Catholic doctrines contradict the truth of God. Good luck!

"The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth" (cf. 1 Tim.3:15)
---Luke65 on 9/26/08


The Word is elevated above the Name of Jesus in Psalm 138.
---frances008 on 9/26/08


Samuel * This has been asked and answered many times. When JESUS faced the Devil he replied it is written. Showing the superiority of Scripture.

And it has been answer back: Jesus did not "only" used scripture Matthew 23:2- "Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: No where in the Ot tell us anything about Moses seat!

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Yor are assuming that Law and testimony refer only to the written part of God's word.

If a tradition contridicts Scripture how can it be true? Does GOD contridict himself?

Tradition does not contridicts Scripture , please give a example!
---Ruben on 9/26/08


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But as for the rapture, he shows us that he has not read Mark 13 and Matthew 24. Perhaps he does not believe what Jesus said.
---frances008 on 9/25/08

Mark 13:13 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end the same shall be saved."

Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end , the same shall be saved.
---Ruben on 9/26/08


The RCC used to have people murdered for translating the Bible into the language of the people in the Middle Ages. Because so many of the practices of the time were unbiblical. I do know two translations that I have read are difficult reading.

Today they have stopped many of them. We no longer have Popes building mansions for their Mistress or a Pope getting Murdered so his murderer can be the new pope.

Yet people make up lies about the RCC about them spreading Aids or being part of the Illuminati. These lies do not help the truth.

There are many good Christians in the RCC and in it's history. Many fought and died trying to stop the abuse of power by the leaders. We are to love all people and be truthful.
---Samuel on 9/26/08


Would you please give me Book, verse and chapter. On where the Bible is the final authority. Ruben

This has been asked and answered many times. When JESUS faced the Devil he replied it is written. Showing the superiority of Scripture. Go to any good internet Bible and type in the words It Is Written on KJV it will give 93 times that Scripture is referred to as the final authority. Then look up reference to the Law and the Commandments as all things must be judged by them. Example Joshua 1:8 Mat 5:17

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

If a tradition contridicts Scripture how can it be true? Does GOD contridict himself?
---Samuel on 9/26/08


Frances ... don't be silly ... the fact that I might be wrong about some RCC practice would not slow up my journey to the Kingdom.

Nicole ... The indulgences at the time of the REformation were being sold by the Pope of the time to refill the Vatican coffers after they had been raided to pay for rather worldly pleasures.
---alan_of_UK on 9/26/08


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Nicole, you see! Evil priests entered the flock and acting like sheep they were wolves. We should not put people into such places of power. Especially not in positions to obtain personal information through the confessional, about everyone in the world, Catholic and Protestant and Muslim (etc). We never know who they are actually working for.
---Frances008 on 9/26/08


Frances, the Pope never sold indulgences.
Evil Priests in disobedience tricked people into thinking they had to pay to get indulgences in Luther's time.

As for the Loudes. This year 2008 is the anniversary. 150, from 1858.
The indulgences are given for those who are about to visit the Church in Loudes and say prayers.
No money involved.
Except for the Airlines for overseas people.
No money given to the RCC.
The Pope added special indulgences for this year.

An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven" Indulgentarium Doctrina norm 1. INDULGENCES IN NO WAY FORGIVE SINS. They deal only with punishments left after sins have been forgiven.
---Nicole on 9/25/08


Alan of Uk, one recent variant of the indulgences was when the present pope said that if Catholics went to Lourdes the year of the anniversary (I am not sure what anniversary) - that was perhaps last year - they would get a pleniary indulgence. It might be this year - so you'd better check it up or you might be on the slow train to the Kingdom of God.
---frances008 on 9/25/08


Mima ... "The selling of indulgences is not openly proclaimed today nevertheless, it is still subtly practiced"

That's interesting, as I though the RCC had stopped this.

Can you give us chapter & verse?
---alan_of_UK on 9/25/08


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Brook: The word bible means Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. The bible is God's word and his word is the Only thing Christians need to read when following God. Nicole: Purgatory isn't a state of matter it is a place in one's mind. Ruben: eternal security from God is biblical. Eternal damnation/destruction/fire is also biblical.

Why is it so hard for a person to understand God's word? Purgatory is not real it is all in the mind. A person cannot cleanse themselves from sin, only the blood of Jesus can do that and without the blood one is none of his.
---Rebecca_D on 9/25/08


The Catholic Church always serves the illuminati, the ultra super dooper rich people. Aids is not even an officially isolated virus. No scientist has isolated it, which is the first thing to do to a virus. So basically it is mind warfare. Tell people they have Aids and give them various symptoms, then kill them off with the 'cures' they buy. It is a Rockefeller adventure. Making all Africans Catholic, the few that are left, seems to be the general idea. Who is Luke, when he is at home?
---frances008 on 9/25/08


Rubin is half correct, there is no eternal security for those who follow false religions. But as for the rapture, he shows us that he has not read Mark 13 and Matthew 24. Perhaps he does not believe what Jesus said.
---frances008 on 9/25/08


*Where in the Word does it say that the Bible is the ONLY authority for Christians?

Roman Catholics in their support of Sola Ecclesiaticus Romanus (only the authority of the Roman Church) often make this statement not realizing what is meant is that the Bible is the ONLY or Ultimate AUTHORITY for Christian doctrine as clearly the Bible speaks of other authorities- of civil authority (Romans 13), of church authority (vested in deacons & elders) as well as the authority of man over woman (1 Cor. 7:4), etc.

Ro 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
---Lee1538 on 9/25/08


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Ruben - whereas you believe in purgatory, you must certain do not believe in the results of the sacrifice Christ made on the Cross for our sins.

What I find contradictory in your purgatory thing is that while it is suppose to purify the soul prior to heaven, one can short circuit this cleansing by making a pligramage, or even of another donating time and money for someone else.

What happens if the process of cleansing is curtailed by some papal decree? Obviously the person will go into heaven and still be unclean!

In view of these things, purgatory is simply totally ridiculous as it was designed as a means of exploitation of those naive enough to follow without questioning.
---Lee1538 on 9/25/08


To believe in purgatory is to deny the rapture and eternal security. The teaching of purgatory is not in the Bible. And all reasoning people understand that purgatory was associated, and is associated, with the selling of indulgences. The selling of indulgences is not openly proclaimed today nevertheless, it is still subtly practiced.
---mima on 9/25/08


Rapture and Eternal Security are not Biblical!
---Ruben on 9/25/08


""Where in the Word does it say that the Bible is the ONLY authority for Christians?"" If you must ask you have not read or understood the bible.
Brooks
---brooks on 9/25/08

Would you please give me Book, verse and chapter...Thanks
---Ruben on 9/25/08


Purgatory is a figment of someones imagination. Remember, Jesus said if one adds or takes from His word they have not salvation.
brooks
---brooks on 9/25/08


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""Where in the Word does it say that the Bible is the ONLY authority for Christians?"" If you must ask you have not read or understood the bible.
Brooks
---brooks on 9/25/08


Purgatory is not biblical at all. It is a man-made place. A make believe place if you will. People who believe in Purgatory do not want to accept the fact that their loved ones may not be going to heaven. They are blind to see the truth. God does not send a person to a place so they can cleanse themselves. The bible says a person cannot cleanse themselves. Job 9:30-31, Proverbs 20:9, Jeremiah 2:22. So why does a person pray for the dead? Because they were taught if they pray hard enough prayer can take them out of Purgatory and give them a second chance with God. Once a person is dead, their dead. There is no second chance. You die lost, you'll be raised lost. You die in Christ, you'll be raised in Christ. Nothing in between.
---Rebecca_D on 9/25/08


Purgatory isn't a place. It is a STATE OF MATTER.

It doesn't have an address.
Like Heaven and Hell, these are state of being. All three isn't a place.

Do you have the address of Heaven or Hell?
---Nicole

But when you are dead you are no longer matter according to your theology. So how can a material state hold you? Second Matter always exists in a place so if it is matter it has to exist.

Heaven is where GOD lives. Now among the stars in the future on the New Earth. Rev. 21 Hell will be outside the city. So yes they are places.
---Samuel on 9/25/08


The Bible says that every scripture is profittable for teaching, reproof, correction, doctrine, and rebuke. Scripture is the key word. J-sus is the only way for salvation, and He is called the Word of G-d, In Him and through Him is life. Commentaries and other reference materials can offer some insight to the scriptures, but the scriptures are the standard, the ultimate authority. As J-sus is to salvation, (the only way) so is the Word of G-d to Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, Hope, Love, Peace, Righteousness, Longsuffering, and Joy, the key to the door of life.
---Tanner on 9/25/08


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You all claim there isn't a need to pray for the dead. You claim all is final when you die. Either Heaven or Hell one is in.
You can't pray for a soul in Hell.
No need to pray for someone in Heaven.
So why pray for the dead, Samuel?
Why?
Because this proves there is a third option besides Heaven and Hell.
Purgatory. Nicole

So praying for the dead leads in your theology to the assumption of a place not named or spelled out in the Bible. Is that correct?

I believe Judgement is future. I pray for my dead loved ones because I need to talk to GOD alone about them and plead for them. GOD alone decides what will happen. Not my job.
---Samuel on 9/25/08


What does it matter Nicole to you if the Bible speaks of Purgatory or not?

Since the words of men who lived evil lives mean more then Scripture. Tradition does not have to agree with scripture in RCC theolgy. Even though it is taught they are equal in reality traditions are more important and define what the scripture teaches.

Scripture and early church fathers state only Godly men can be leaders of the called out belivers of GOD. The Believers are the Church. But the RCC by tradition teaches the office is important not the man. So wicked evil unrepentet men can be leaders and represnt GOD. To do that requires that Scripture be less important then tradtion.
---Samuel on 9/25/08


Yes, Frances, the RCC catches orphans so they can inject them with AIDS and then pretend to give them meds - a very profitable venture! How did you ever learn this secret knowledge which the Church has kept hidden from the world for so long?

One more thing, have you ever heard of "Christian charity"? Like giving people, especially your Christian brethren, the benefit of the doubt, not spreading vile gossip for which you have no proof. You know, "Do unto others as you would have done to you."

Come home, Frances, you need sacramental graces desperately.
---Luke65 on 9/25/08


To believe in purgatory is to deny the rapture and eternal security. The teaching of purgatory is not in the Bible. And all reasoning people understand that purgatory was associated, and is associated, with the selling of indulgences. The selling of indulgences is not openly proclaimed today nevertheless, it is still subtly practiced.
---mima on 9/25/08


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Lee1538
Oh please, you don't believe Salvation is a gift.
As evident by you stating that I must say something to get the Salvation.

I stated it is free as evident by giving baptism to babies.
A baby can't say a word, do work, or anything.

Remember, Jesus said "bring the children to me."
That is exactly what the RCC is doing.
You refuse to give Jesus babies.
Why?

Say what you wish. It doesn't matter.
Salvation is by Jesus' Blood.
You know this and you know I believe Jesus' Blood is enough and the only thing God accepted to prevent our damnation.

Infant Baptism is proof of a free gift.
The baby can't give God nothing in return.
---Nicole on 9/25/08


Frances008, so now Aids is the RCC's fault?
How can the RCC make people poor?
By forcing people to give money in the collection plate, so we can return the money to them later on?
It can't be by donations.
Because Catholics are awful at giving money in the collection plate.
Protestants give more money to their Churches than Catholics. A lot more.

So, maybe you can tell me what your Church and the others Churches are doing with their money? After all they get more money from their members.

I know people in the Bible belt who are scared to walk in a Catholic Church because of lies they were told.
But not too afraid to go to the Church office for money and food.

You will know them by their fruits.
---Nicole on 9/25/08


Nicole, how come you know for certain that Heaven or Hell or purgatory are not places? Is it your calculated conclusion (after doing the math) that the Universe is 'x' miles big, and there is nothing outside it. You have perhaps been to the outer edge of the Universe and seen that there is nothing outside it, no Heaven above no Hell below. Why can you not just accept God's Word. It is a place and it is real. Just because we have not been to see it yet means very little. Have you been to the moon - no, I doubt it - but you 'know' it exists from reports, from seeing it in the sky etc. Have you been to Siberia. No. Do you know how big Siberia is? I was in a plane and the pilot said it would take 7-8 hours to fly over it.
---frances008 on 9/24/08


Even if the Bible is our only authority, there is still no infallible human authority to interpret it for us. The best we can do is come to a mutually agreed-upon consensus about any doctrine, and there is still no guarantee we will have the whole truth. We just need to try to do the best we can.
---Kim2u on 9/24/08


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""Why it's better for people to never get ahold of Scripture in the RCC because if they do, they will see the light.""

Is this why there are at least 4 RCC approved translations of the Bible into English alone, not counting other languages?
---katavasia on 9/24/08


Why must we argue about a place that in your belief does Not EXIST.If you dont believe,DONT. But why take away Hope for those who do believe.having read 2Machabees 12:45.or even invite those who may want to think otherwise.This contraversy would never have been a point of issue if Machabees had been retained, in the word of God.Who removed it and why, would be more worthwhile,to discover or cover the reason,for its removal.Prayer is that of the Lord. Who would benefit from no Prayers?
---MIC on 9/24/08


Do you have the address of Heaven or Hell?
---Nicole on 9/24/08

Nicole...do you have the address of God's throne?

Heaven and Hell are real places...they are in the spirit realm. So...what about the promise that God has many mansions in heaven and that Jesus goes before us to prepare one for us? Is this not a real place either?
---Holly4jc on 9/24/08


Maccabees does not say anything about a place called purgatory. It speaks of praying for the dead. Pope John Paul 2 said Purgatory is not a place.---Samuel

You all claim there isn't a need to pray for the dead. You claim all is final when you die. Either Heaven or Hell one is in.
You can't pray for a soul in Hell.
No need to pray for someone in Heaven.
So why pray for the dead, Samuel?
Why?
Because this proves there is a third option besides Heaven and Hell.
Purgatory.

Purgatory isn't a place. It is a STATE OF MATTER.

It doesn't have an address.
Like Heaven and Hell, these are state of being. All three isn't a place.

Do you have the address of Heaven or Hell?
---Nicole on 9/24/08


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No church gives more to the poor than the RCC says Nicole. No church does more to make sure there are a lot of poor people. No church does more to make sure that the orphans they catch/create with biological/psychological warfare such as Aids are brought up good Catholics if they survive the 'medications'. Puleeze, Nicole. Do a little research.
---frances008 on 9/24/08


However, after looking carefully at the Bible, I believe there is a purgatory. By this I mean that before we go into Heaven our works will go through a firey trial and all the mistakes, and misunderstandings will be brought to light. We will find that many of our good works were in fact not good works at all, and will be burnt. From there at some future event we will be allowed into heaven, whether this is collectively, as I tend to think, or individually, I don't know. Praying for the dead is no good, it is too late then. The good will go to Heaven and the evil will go to Hell.
---frances008 on 9/24/08


*Lee1538 either you believe there is a Purgatory or not!

Not in the least as it is not scriptural and it effectively says the blood of Christ is inefficacious for our sin, that we have to atone for our own sins making the Cross of no avail.

Salvation is nothing less than a gift from God and good works are only a reflection of the work of the Spirit in transforming us into the image of Christ (Eph. 2:8-10).

The righteousness of Christ is what is credited or imputed to our account upon our acceptance of Him into our lives. I believe what we read in Romans validates that belief.
---Lee1538 on 9/24/08


Maccabees does not say anything about a place called purgatory. It speaks of praying for the dead. Pope John Paul 2 said Purgatory is not a place.---Samuel

You all claim there isn't a need to pray for the dead. You claim all is final when you die. Either Heaven or Hell one is in.
You can't pray for a soul in Hell.
No need to pray for someone in Heaven.
So why pray for the dead, Samuel?
Why?
Because this proves there is a third option besides Heaven and Hell.
Purgatory.

Purgatory isn't a place. It is a STATE OF MATTER.

It doesn't have an address.
Like Heaven and Hell, these are state of being. All three isn't a place.

Do you have the address of Heaven or Hell?
---Nicole on 9/24/08


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Maccabees does not say anything about a place called purgatory. It speaks of praying for the dead. Pope John Paul 2 said Purgatory is not a place.---Samuel

You all claim there isn't a need to pray for the dead. You claim all is final when you die. Either Heaven or Hell one is in.
You can't pray for a soul in Hell.
No need to pray for someone in Heaven.
So why pray for the dead, Samuel?
Why?
Because this proves there is a third option besides Heaven and Hell.
Purgatory.

Purgatory isn't a place. It is a STATE OF MATTER.

It doesn't have an address.
Like Heaven and Hell, these are state of being. All three isn't a place.

Do you have the address of Heaven or Hell?
But, you know it exist don't you?
---Nicole on 9/24/08


Lee1538 either you believe there is a Purgatory or not!
If you don't believe in Purgatory then stop trying to describe it.
You don't know what you are talking about.

That's like trying to decribe UFO's, but continue to say there isn't any UFO's
THEN WHY ARE YOU DECRIBING THEM?

Please answer my questions.
How do you know my parent's state of soul that you are condemning them to Purgatory instead of Heaven?
Are you Jesus?
Then leave Judgement and Salvation to Him!

As as the rich part of the RCC.
No Government, No Country, No Religion,
No other Christian Denomination gives more to the POOR (mostly nonCatholics) every year than the RCC.

What is your Church doing with your money?
---Nicole on 9/24/08


Nicole as I pointed out before. Maccabees does not say anything about a place called purgatory. It speaks of praying for the dead. So the verse you are quoting does not show your doctrine. Pope John Paul 2 said Purgatory is not a place. So how can you say it is?

Lee you have done a good job of defending the Bible as the final authority thank you. I have been out of touch due to Hurricane Ike.

In the Parable of the house on the Rock JESUS said those who build on his words and sayings are building on the Rock. Let us build on our only intercessor our High Priest JESUS the CHRIST.
---Samuel on 9/24/08


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