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What Is A Registered Church

What is the difference between a Registerd Church and a non-registerd Church?

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A registered church is registered with the government and thus has agreed to comply with governmental requirements such as having a board of directors that are voted in democratically, and send in yearly financial statements. In return the church will be able to perform marriages, be tax exempt, and give tax deductible receipts for donations.
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---Susie on 8/19/07


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---Crystal on 8/18/07


Susie>>>

"Act in the valley so that you need not fear those who stand on the hill".
---Marcia on 8/17/07


Marcia...No need to worry about fellowshipping with me. The Bible tells me not to have fellowship with the darkside.
---Susie on 8/17/07


Any church registered with the government is NOT the true church of God. If you have read the IRS and government restrictions of any non-profit organization, you would know this to be true. And it's going to get tougher in the years ahead as new "hate crime" and other speach restrictive bills are put into law.
---Steveng on 8/16/07




Actually, my husband is an ordained minister and I am a licensed minister. However, my husband is not a pastor. What part of Jesus dying on the cross for your sins did you have a problem with?
---Susie on 8/16/07


Marcia...Perhaps it is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that makes you uncomfortable.
---Susie on 8/16/07


Marcia Kathr, the holiness preacher's wife, Prodigal24 the preacher and prophet, too. She's never left these blogs for a day since 2005. And those titles you gave us, "Crucifier of Flesh, Ponderer of Thoughts, Consecrator, and Meditator. Be Blessed!" Oh Brother. I can feel the humility there.
---Barney on 8/16/07


Marcia's back in her Cattle Prod24 role as the prophet. Just thought you might want to know what you are speaking with, Jack.
---Crystal on 8/16/07


Susie:

You are highly insensitive and quite intrusive with your words.

So, you are a pastor's wife? Is this how you talk to the members of your Church?

Do you also tell them what to think?

---Marcia on 8/16/07


Susie:

Are you a Communist or a Marxist?

Is your Church governed like a dictatorship?

All this bullying makes me a little uncomfortable fellowshiping with you.
---Marcia on 8/16/07


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Marcia....It doesn't matter whether a church is registered with the government or not. If it isn't teaching the Jesus of the Bible, it is a false church. Stop worrying about the governmental issues and start thinking about Jesus and what HE did on the cross for you.
---Susie on 8/16/07


Jack>>>

I was responding to your reply: ("Nobody knows about this stuff, not even your accountability partner").

That was your response was it not?
---Marcia on 8/15/07


Jack>>>

To say one does not know of something is to conclude that person has no knowledge of it. This however does not mean that it does not hold true, it just mean that the person speaking is ignorance when it comes to this issue and really should keep queit until they are made aware of it.

Proverb 15:12

A scorner loveth not one that reproveth him, he will not go unto the wise.
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---Marcia on 8/15/07


**I can tell from your attitude that Your Church does'nt participate in Evangelism,**

Then WHY did you say that you "could tell" about this and that when you clearly cannot do so? Because I didn't say the PC buzzwords words acceptable to pop-evangelicals?

And why have you not answered my questions about the WHO, WHERE, and WHEN are being persecuted for "hate crimes"?

Can you answer?
---Jack on 8/14/07


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Jack>>>

***(Nobody knows about this stuff--not even you or your accountability partner.)***

I am good to hear that you know about this stuff after all. I was beginning to wonder about you there for a quick second.

Thanks for clearing that up beloved.
---Marcia on 8/14/07


**I can tell from your attitude that Your Church does'nt participate ...).**



As a matter of fact, y ou can't tell any such thing.

We DO have missionaries in our church, both foreign and domestic.

I have asked you to explain just what you mean by a "registered church" and you have not done so.

I have given examples of other countries than the USA requiring churches to register, which I would not know about if we did not have missions. So there!
---Jack on 8/14/07


**There is a website that monitors persecuted Christians in the world...."**

There are plenty of sites, not just one, that report persecution of Christians, especially in the Middle East, which I read daily.

I'm aware of persecution for hate crime persecution in Denmark, but I'm laboring under the assumption--which is probably false--that this blog is talking about "registered churches" in the USA. If not, this should have been clarified.
---Jack on 8/14/07


Jack:

I can tell from your attitude that Your Church does'nt participate in Evangelism, Missions, or any kind of outreach. If you had missionaries in your Church you would know about this stuff. (Hosea, My people die for lack of Knowledge).
---Marcia on 8/14/07


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Jack: "Neither of them had to do with registering with the US Government."

A registered church is any church registered with a government, not necessarily the US government. Churches in China must be registered, if not the leader and/or the members are persecuted. The same with other countries.
---Steveng on 8/13/07


Jack: "This sounds like some of the paranoia that too many Christians love to indulge in."

It's not. There is a website that monitors persecuted Christians in the world. Denmark and Canada have arrested preachers for "hate crimes."
---Steveng on 8/13/07


** Steveng >>>

That is exactly what my accountability partner said, thanks I was beginning to think no one else on here knew about this stuff.**

Nobody knows about this stuff--not even you or your accountability partner.

Why do Christians find it necessary to scare each other with stories like this that they cannot substantiate?
---Jack on 8/13/07


I've worked for many 501c3 organizations in Washington, DC most were non-religious institutions. Frequently those organizations critisized the President and Congress openly. No men in black suits ever questioned me or were we investigated by the police or FBI.
---Gilbert on 8/13/07


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If you want the 501(c)3 paperwork, just call the IRS. They will gladly send you the large manila envelope with pages and pages of paperwork. I don't advise doing the paperwork yourself. You can find an accountant to do it for you. Our total cost was around $1000.
---Susie on 8/13/07


Steveng >>>

That is exactly what my accountability partner said, thanks I was beginning to think no one else on here knew about this stuff.
---Marcia on 8/13/07


alan_of_UK >>>

Thanks, I am starting to see that there are people who are aware of what congress if trying to pull off with the amendments they are trying to pass. (Fairness doctrine, Hate Crimes laws).
---Marcia on 8/13/07


FWIW, I did a Google search on "registered church" and got only two hits. One was in Africa (where it seems to apply to government registration), the other was about an Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's youth program, where it clearly refers to regristratin in this church program.

Neither of them had to do with registering with the US Government.
---Jack on 8/12/07


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**
Then what is all this talk about pastor's being arrested for Preaching against sin?

I must have misunderstood Jay "Sekelow", Erine Sander's, and my accountability Partners.**

Can you give us SPECIFICS about pastors being arrested for preaching against sin? Who? Where? When?

This sounds like some of the paranoia that too many Christians love to indulge in.
---Jack on 8/12/07


"Are there any lawiers out there that can explain 501c3 to me. I looked this up on some legal sites. My understanding is it a certifacation that if someone gives the 501c3 organization money the giver gets to take a tax deduction. No other gov't controls or investigation unless someone cheats on their taxes or steals."

That the way I heard it. It costs about $2,500 to setup. Have to have a board, set a goal, etc..
---David on 8/12/07


Susie: "Accountability partner is generally a term used in denominations who want total control over their members."

You are talking about cults. I suggest reading the NT again. The members of the early church were accountable to each other, to encourage each other, to carry each other's burdens - all to make sure we are never alone in our walk with God. Accountability brings about a Christian's growth and maturity. And to develop relationships with other Christians.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


Gilbert: 501c3 is simply a corporation (called charitable organizations) who doesn't pay taxes on revenue and are restricted concerning politics and government lobbying.

In my opinion, churches who are organized under 501c3 are at the whims of politics - restricting the church's true mission. They are under the control of the government, not under Christ. Look what's happening in the communist and Islamic countries concerning churches who are registered and the persecution of churches who are not.
---Steveng on 8/12/07


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Susie:

There are Bad Prophets and Good Prophets, There are Bad Pastors and God Pastors, There are Bad accountability Partners and Good accountability Partners.

Paul was Timonthy's accountability Partner and he was a good one.

I understand what you are saying susie, however just because one person can give a title a bad name does it mean the title is bad or just the person?


Accountability is Unity with a goal to Succeed!!
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Susie>>>

There are Bad Pastors and Good Pastors, There are Bad teachers, and Good Teachers, There are Bad Prophets, and Good Prophets, There are Bad Accountability Partners and Good Accountability Partners.
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Susie>>>

We see Examples of this all through the Bible and all through History. A title is not bad. However a person can make a title bad. Does that however mean that the title is bad?
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Susie>>>

Paul was a good accountability partner to Timonthy. Elijah was an accountability Partner to Elisha. Paul was a good accountability partner to the many churches he planted. Today men and woman who a going into a specific poffession often have accountability partners that they look up to. Usaually it is a person who has exspertise in a certain proffession.
---Marcia on 8/12/07


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Susie>>>

I realize Satan has worked to give the title a bad name, but nothing has changed. People today won't listen to a preacher because someone in history used the title for personal gain.

(Proverb 11:14) Where no counsel [is], the people fall : but in the multitude of counsellors [there is] safety.

(Proverb 12:15 )The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise.
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Susie>>>

Satan realizes if the Church is United and accountable to each other as Paul has sad Older woman as Mother's, and Younger Women as sister's, Satan know that the church will be as God desires it to be. This is why there are tares in the Church and this is why we have what you describe as control freaks.

I thank God he has given us his WORD so that we can check everything in the light of it.


Good accountability equates unity with a goal to succeed!!
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Marcia ... # 2 Christmas cards and greetings are often forbidden for the same reason.
Soon perhaps churches will be "registered" or authorised to operate only if they agree to toe the line, and even evangelising could cause them to lose their license?
---alan_of_UK on 8/12/07


Gilbert ... In the UK if a tax-payer gives money to a registered charity out of his taxed income, the charity can claim back the tax that the donor has paid on it. Sounds convoluted, but it means that the charity benefits because the value of the gift is increased.
So if I give 100 pounds sterling to charity, it can get back from the tax man an extra 28 pounds sterling.
---alan_of_UK on 8/12/07


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Marcia, your accountability partner, are you in a fundamental holiness cult?
---Ted on 8/12/07


Gilbert:

Then what is all this talk about pastor's being arrested for Preaching against sin?

I must have misunderstood Jay "Sekelow", Erine Sander's, and my accountability Partners.

I thought maybe some one on here heard about the Fairness doctrine and Hate-Crime laws that congress is trying to pass.
---Marcia on 8/12/07


Accountability partner is generally a term used in denominations who want total control over their members.
---Susie on 8/12/07


Are there any lawiers out there that can explain 501c3 to me. I looked this up on some legal sites. My understanding is it a certifacation that if someone gives the 501c3 organization money the giver gets to take a tax deduction. No other gov't controls or investigation unless someone cheats on their taxes or steals.
---Gilbert on 8/11/07


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Marcia, you wrote "There are registered churches in the US that are governed by congress."

I'm not sure what you're talking about the US congress controls no churches. They provide a small about of funds for military chaplains and the National Cathedral, but in the 1800's all state funded churches ended and it was even earlier that the US gov't stopped being involved with churches.
---Gilbert on 8/11/07


I've never heard of "Registered" Churches in the US. Churches can obtain 501c3 status to get certain tax exemptions, but current church is not 501c3, and we are tax exempt, but don't own land, and have to pay sales tax on things we buy, don't know if 501c3 would change that. Also, our marriages are legal as long the minister is licensed or ordained. When I ministered with 501c3 churches we opposed the gov't regularly and enjoyed our first amendment rights when we did.
---Gilbert on 8/10/07


alan_of_UK :

I don't see what your response has to do with my question. Maybe you misunderstood me.

I'll try to be more clear.

There are registered churches in the U.S that are governed by congress. These churches will be under investigation if congress passes the Hate-Crimes law and Fairness doctrine laws. This is a law against the Preaching the WORD not against what ever it is your suggesting in your response.
---Marcia on 8/10/07


HorseySauce >>>


I didn't mean to confuse you. I have a lot of accountablity partners.

(Proverb 11:14) Where no counsel [is], the people fall : but in the multitude of counsellors [there is] safety.

(Proverb 12:15 )The way of a fool [is] right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel [is] wise.
---Marcia on 8/10/07


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HorseySauce >>>

Accoutability Partner is another name for Prayer Partner or Discpler, which is a Mature Christian or Church Elder that has taken me under their wings in order to help me mature in my walk with Christ. Since my mother died, I look to mature christain to help me live a Godly life. That's all.
---Marcia on 8/10/07


marcia ... That sound not at all hopeful
In the UK we have discrimination, which mean, for example, that a Church advertising for a church secretary, can't say the person must be a Christian, and can be prosecuted if they turn someone down on the grounds of their atheism.
---alan_of_UK on 8/10/07


I was told by my accountablility partner that Registered Churches are controled by the government (501(c)3 and that all registered churches are apostate churches. I was wondering if anyone else heard of this? It is also related to the Fairness Doctrine and the Hate/Crimes laws congress is trying to pass. Again I know only a little about this.
---Marcia on 8/9/07


Your accountability partner, what's that?
You can't be trusted with yourself?
Or is that AA, something similar.
---HorseySauce on 8/9/07


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I was told by my accountablility partner that Registered Churches are controled by the government (50c3 section code) and that all registered churches are apostate churches. I was wondering if anyone else heard of this. It is also related to the fairness doctrine congess and the Hate laws congress is trying to pass. Those churches that are government controlled will not be aloud to freely preach the Word of God if these ammendements are passed. (Ex. Pastors can be arrested for preaching against sin).
---Marcia on 8/9/07


Jack is right. Although most people think a church has to register with IRS that is not necessarily so according to the IRS paperwork we have regarding applying for a 501(c)3.
---Susie on 8/9/07


John is almost right.

There is no need to "register churches" under US law for them to function.

However, in China and some other countries, churches must be registered by the government.

What do YOU mean by the terms "registered" and "non-registered" Church, Marcia? Can you tell us?
---Jack on 8/9/07


Sounds to me like just another way of saying, "Hey, we're the right ones over here. We have a special name" or "Look, the world has placed its stamp of recognition on us. We are registered and everything".

:>

Poor "unregistered" church. Guess she just has to be satisfied with:

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect...,
---Linda on 8/8/07


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