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To those of you who say that women should not be preachers may I ask are you against women preachers totally or against women who preach to men?

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I expected varied replies but this one confuses me. "Pastor Herb, since the man is the head of the woman should she pray to the man? ---randy on 8/13/07" Which 'man' are you referring to Randy? We are told to pray to no-one except our Heavenly Father and we are to do so through Jesus our Saviour. So what are you actually asking? No woman prays to her husband or her pastor, does she?
---RitaH on 5/8/08


Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Romans 16:7

Junias was a woman - its got to be pretty hard to be an apostle and not preach and or teach men!
---Andrea on 9/19/07


The KJV said it, The NIV clarifies it, the good News if fact practically all says it. show me a translation that says otherwise and I show you a Chinesse Whisper!
---Carla5754 on 9/19/07


carla, those are the words of Paul and should be carely used. Jesus nowhere said such things about women, His relationship with women was radical. Catholics dont even disagree here. A Male priesthood is tradition driven rather than scriptural
---alexia on 9/18/07


denna,
Howbeit,

That scripture does not mean (LITERALLY/ EQUALLY THE EXACT SAME) why else would he have made Male/Female? The last time I chequed anyway! the bible also said That... CHRIST is the Head of Man and Man is the Head of >WOMAN<. A woman should not usurp AUTHORITY over the man or as Paul explains perfectly well to teach! Am I reading that God lie's here or what? Has any had the office of Paul or greater than he to change what is written?
---Carla5754 on 9/18/07




Women or men never submit to anyone if it goes against God's laws or God's direction. Have a pleasant day everyone.
---catherine on 9/17/07


Women have a vital place in evangelism. Psalm 68-11. "The Lord giveth the word, the women that publish the tidings are a great host." Paul perhaps paid the highest,and I now love Paul even more, the highest compliment to women when he said,"The woman is man's glory" [1 Corin. 11:7] And this: If I were the devil I would read the scriptures. So I could twist and turn scriptures to a fare you well to fool the saints and sinners alike.
---catherine on 9/15/07


Okey, the passage from 1 Tim. 2:12-14 may appear negative and unfriendly toward women, but the words are infact,....expressive of a feeling of sympathy and basic understanding. They mean: Let a woman not enter a sphere of activity for which by dent of her very creation she is not suited. Placing women in responsibilites meant for men misuses their God given calling and forfeits their areas of greatest ministry.
---catherine on 9/15/07


The passage from 1 Timothy 2 :14 seems most applicable to public worship, women are not to be in positions of authority over men. Now, you must study and study to really understand what God is talking about. I do my best. No where in the NT is a woman ever commended to serve as an elder. Infact, it's obvious that, 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1-5,9, which list qualifications for elders, can refer only to a man.
---catherine on 9/16/07


catherine, that is not any news, that is just sin.
---Eloy on 9/16/07




Have I got news for you.>> God gives women the authority to preach to men. Read: God gave them His word. [The word of the Lord came upon them] and then great was the company of the preachers----prophets and prophetesses, for the word is feminine. [Psalms 68-11] Paul singles out women for significant service to Christ. Aquila and Priscilla were used to instruct Apollos. Romans 16-1 and Acts 18: 24-26.>>> I shall give God All the Glory and Praise now and forever more.
---catherine on 9/15/07


Frank,

Please explain Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

We are all the same in when we are in Christ. If a woman is not that as they say high on the ladder why do you suppose a woman was the first one to see the risen savior? God could have easily let it be man instead.
---denna7667 on 9/15/07


Dick,

I find it hard to believe that God has given any of us the wisdom to call an apostle incorrect. Especially when his word says we are to have a foundation built on the apostles and prophets.
Secondly, if you answer the questions I posed you will see men and women are not equal. That is one reason Christ did not come as a woman. Find the reason in the law and see for yourself.
God will not go against his word.
Not for you, me, or anyone.


Frank
---Frank on 9/13/07


Thyratira is a prophecy about the SDA church. (So are all the 7 last churches for that matter) God made man and woman equal, just at God the Father and God the Mother (Holy Spirit as found in Rev. 12) equal. It takes both to create, just as man and woman. Paul was therefore incorrect.
---Dick on 9/11/07


AS members of His body it is only decent that we respect the body and cultural influences.
It is to the benefit of the church to allow those gifted for service to perform that service.
If it causes division and strife in his church it needs to be discussed what's best particular member.
If that means submit - submit

Those that would lead should serve.
---Andrea on 9/11/07


I believe God can use women. I find it interesting that the church in Macedonia was mostly women. Lydia of Thyatira entreated Paul and his host.
Revelation warns that the church of Thyatira knew not the depths of satan and allowed Jezebbel who "called herself" a "prophetess" to seduce the flock.
A latter day warning about all of these self proclaimed female preachers.
They should have anointed preachers bear witness to their ministry just like men.

Frank
---Frank on 9/11/07


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I agree the Lord can use women if he chooses.

The word says Christ humbled himself and took on the form of man. He was obedient to the death of the cross.

My question for those who study the law:

Why did Jesus Christ come as a man and not a woman if he humbled himself as low as he could?

There is a very distinct reason that should do away with female haughtiness.

Women that are chosen to lead should do as David said about men and lead in the fear of God.

Frank
---Frank on 9/11/07


A few questions about women to ponder:

Why is the cleaning time for females longer for the birth of a female than a male?

Why is the sacrifice and offering different for the birth of a female than for a male?

Why is it that the woman could only uncover her head when brought before the priest for judgment?

Why could the husband bring the wife but the wife couldn't bring the husband?

All of these are very needful mysteries about Christ and his bride.

Frank
---Frank on 9/11/07


Many have already explained Paul's writing here. For those who still don't believe how do you explain: Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Of course there was also a female in a position of authority as a judge in the Old Testament named Deborah. Little higher than a preacher wouldn't you say?
---denna7667 on 9/10/07


Cathrine
Unless there is something that you have to say in terms of threatening anyone that tests your Spirit, I suggest that you make sure that your calling and election is sure lying on God is not a very clever thing to do. While the bible advocates one to Try the Spirit, God also dislikes lying lips. Threats are as grass whither die and come to nothing. I suggest you seriously think about It!
---Carla5754 on 8/19/07


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Jana, you hold onto a few scriptures referring to a specific group of women who had believed in the goddess Diana prior to their conversion, and talked out of turn to ask questions during the service. Paul supported Phebe, a woman he told the saints in Romans chapter 16 to support in whatever business she needed, Priscilla and Aquilla co-pastors of a church in their home and other women mentioned in this chapter. You can't exclude passages in the Bible when Paul supported women in ministry.
---Theresa on 8/19/07


Most scripture as far as 'women submit' is speaking directly to wives. My husband wants a partner not a doormat - I want a partner not someone I can boss around - mutual respect -- so should it be in the church.

maybe Jesus just knew He'd have to deal with a bunch of insecure little boys!

The Church needs all the support - teachers/preachers it can get. Holiness and wisdom should go further then gender.
---Andrea on 8/19/07


Tim, thank you for asking but NO I am not a preacher.
---RitaH on 8/19/07


RitaH, are you a preacher?
---Tim on 8/19/07


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catherine, have you ever preached a message anywhere? Have you actually been at a pulpit in a church and preached?
Have you ever actually prophesied to someone as a prophet?
Have you ever had a prophecy of any kind?
Did anything ever come true?
Because curses are not prophecies.
Threats, "Bite the dust Mister" is not a prophecy.
"You be careful" is not a prophecy.

Have you ever been in a church and stood before any kind of congregation?
---Leonard on 8/18/07


Mentally thinking you are a prophet and actually being one are two separate things.

catherine, to be a prophet, scripturally, you are subject to other legitimate prophets.
Have you ever submitted your prophetic gift to other prophets in the real world?

The other prophets here are in the same boat, so I ask the same thing of their prophetic desires to be a prophet.
---Leonard on 8/18/07


catherine, without your new Bible helpers, do you know where scripures are in the Bible?

Do you know how to interpret your Bible helpers or your Bible? As a preacher, would you know how to preach the Word? Without the Word, you can't be a preacher. You're always commenting that anyone can quote Scripture, no need for you.
But that's not true, not everyone can quote Scripture or interpret it.
---Leonard on 8/18/07


So you are against God>>>>calling women to preach. Judgment Day>>>>> Is just around the corner. Whether you believe it's Bible or not and there is not many scriptures to support women on this. Still what about God. I know that He does call women, a few women to preach. So what about God?>>>>And we just do not understand everything now do we. Be careful how you answer.
---catherine on 8/18/07


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Everywhere in the bible it is quoted as MALE/FEMALE scriptures point to the Male to lead, and to show God loves women but not in a dominatant position to Lead as a rule he allowed some women not all to take lead but he has a specific order for Men which is to Lead his Church. So get over it! women are not the choosen figure of Leadership in the church despite men going AWOL.
---carla5754 on 8/18/07


Katie: "By saying God can't call a woman pastor is putting limitations on what God can do."

On the contrary, He's putting limits on what a women can do.
---Steveng on 8/17/07


Jana: I hope you get rid of your hiccups. :)
---Steveng on 8/17/07


Don't get me wrong about women preaching, but only what scriptures say - to teach other women and children.
---Steveng on 8/17/07


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If one states that the Bible (all of it) is the Word of God or the Inspired Word of God AND it isn't, (yes it contains the Word of God) then that person is calling God a liar! This is serious. It is not funny! Read "The Spirit of Truth" (Tate publishing and straight from the Bible by the way) and then form your opinion. God made man and woman equal! They were and are ONE!
---Rich on 8/17/07


we are merely following Scripture..remember, it is a inspired writing, all of it. Women should not preach in church..or preach at all..that is a mans domain. Believe in God that He will supply the preacher..we today are too stiffnecked and have no faith in God.
We r like the stiffnecked Israelites who wont go with what God says to the letter..We doubt God too much..I dont doubt God at all, but many in the world do..even amongst christians
---jana on 8/17/07


we are merely following Scripture..remember, it is a inspired writing, all of it. Women should not preach in church..or preach at all..that is a mans domain. Believe in God that He will supply the preacher..we today are too stiffnecked and have no faith in God.
We r like the stiffnecked Israelites who wont go with what God says to the letter..We doubt God too much..I dont doubt God at all, but many in the world do..even amongst christians
---jana on 8/17/07


we are merely following Scripture..remember, it is a inspired writing, all of it. Women should not preach in church..or preach at all..that is a mans domain. Believe in God that He will supply the preacher..we today are too stiffnecked and have no faith in God.
We r like the stiffnecked Israelites who wont go with what God says to the letter..We doubt God too much..I dont doubt God at all, but many in the world do..even amongst christians
---jana on 8/17/07


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we are merely following Scripture..remember, it is a inspired writing, all of it. Women should not preach in church..or preach at all..that is a mans domain. Believe in God that He will supply the preacher..we today are too stiffnecked and have no faith in God.
We r like the stiffnecked Israelites who wont go with what God says to the letter..We doubt God too much..I dont doubt God at all, but many in the world do..even amongst christians
---jana on 8/17/07


we are merely following Scripture..remember, it is a inspired writing, all of it. Women should not preach in church..or preach at all..that is a mans domain. Believe in God that He will supply the preacher..we today are too stiffnecked and have no faith in God.
We r like the stiffnecked Israelites who wont go with what God says to the letter..We doubt God too much..I dont doubt God at all, but many in the world do..even amongst christians
---jana on 8/17/07


Steven, the only person I will submit my will to is God. If God calls me to be a pastor or a church leader, I will go. By saying God can't call a woman pastor is putting limitations on what God can do. A woman is just as capable of leading a church as a man is. It is not up to us to say a person can't answer God's call just because of gender.
---Katie on 8/17/07


Paul, you say "I'm not sure I follow this narrow question". It was deliberately narrow and only to those who believe that women should not preach. My reason for asking was simply because I know of a few men (and one woman) who have made the choice to hear a woman preach when her name had been on the poster for weeks beforehand (so they were in no doubt it was a woman in the pulpit)
---RitaH on 8/17/07


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2.and then complain afterwards saying that she should not have been there. I fail to understand why they went, unless it was simply so that they could complain afterwards. I don't believe that people should hold a seance so I would never attend one, likewise, if someone does not believe a woman should preach they should not attend when a woman is preaching. To do otherwise is hypocracy.
---RitaH on 8/17/07


Men have to submit too - to God!
---Linda on 8/16/07


Yoshin, you're the one who picks particular scriptures and stretches them to exclude women from ministry. The scripture reference clearly states that Priscilla and Aquilla both expounded the word excellently to Apollos. You don't like that because you look at women as inferior and you don't hold the view that Christ did. Paul even said in I Corinthians Chapter 1 that he thanked God he hadn't baptized any of the immature believers who called themselves being of certain apostles in equal respect to Christ.
---Theresa on 8/16/07


A lot of men who have serious problems with women being used by God who are strong and chosen to preach come from homes where their mothers were viewed as much less than what the bible requires and teaches them to be.Their mothers were treated like "step and fetchits" and disregarded as "fellowheirs of the grace of life" as described in Peter. I'll pray for you. There is no male or female in Christ Jesus as Galatians 3:28 states.
---Theresa on 8/16/07


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Andrea: "Why do we never hear about the scripture to men that says they must "SUBMIT'."

I suggest reading the passage in context.
---Steveng on 8/16/07


Andrea: "Women can and should be all that God gives them and for men to deny a gift from God is blasphemous."

God has given women gifts, I agree, but not over a man. She has talents to help other women and children, but she does not have authority over man. As a wife, she must submit to her man as he submits under Jesus. If he was a true Christian, he would love you so much that you would have no reason to hate him.
---Steveng on 8/16/07


By the way, Andrea, those men are far and few between in today's world.
---Steveng on 8/16/07


Why do we never hear about the scripture to men that says they must "SUBMIT'.
really
ICor16:16
---Andrea on 8/16/07


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This is my last post on this really ridiculous discussion. If you are a female and feel God wants you to preach..go ahead and preach. If a male..do the same. Other people need to focus on their walk with the Lord and quit judging and condemning. God will set everything that is out of order, in order, when He comes. Until then, we should continue to do the work of the Lord, learn to be better lovers(toward God and others) and prepare for our homecoming.
---Robyn on 8/16/07


Look at the heart of God -

I read the same Bible you do my God is a male I'm not a women's libber I'm a human rights advocate and so is God!

Women can and should be all that God gives them and for men to deny a gift from God is blasphemous.
---Andrea on 8/16/07


Theresa, the major roll you are talking about is the use of a personal house as a place to meet and serve Paul, which helped with his work. So you think women should serve men? And it is highly unlikely that every woman that worshipped "goddess Diana", was married to a godly man that they could ask him the mysteries of Pauls teaching in private. You are stretching.
---yoshin on 8/16/07


It amazes me that very few believers take the general view of what the Bible says. They love one verse and take it literal, regardless of the context and an uncomfortable verse is ignored or explained away as not applying to us today or it simply a spiritual meaning or metaphoric. This confusion has lead to different denominations instead of one unified church of Christ.
---yoshin on 8/16/07


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So many more questions than answers. Is a "prophetess" automatically a Pastor/preacher? Are a husband & wife fellowshipping with someone automatically preaching? Is woman (or man) who is an inspirational speaker automatically blessed of God to Preach? Does it matter that God's Word dictates it is the male that is to Pastor and not the woman? Back to the garden people. The reason God made the choice is there. Not your fault, talk to Eve about it.
---mikefl on 8/15/07


It has nothing to do with being against anyone. It has to do with being for what the Bible says. A woman cannot be a bishop, the Bible tells the design, plans and purpose of the Church. Have you attended a church where the woman is the pastor and the husband sits in the pew and plays golf?
---Marylois on 8/15/07


Hello Yoshin! The same Apostle Paul gave tribute to fellow female workers in Christ in Romans chapter 16. In the home, the husband is the head of the wife, which is clarified in Ephesians chapter 5. In Christ, there is no male nor female.(Galatians 3:28) As I stated yesterday from scripture, Priscilla & Aquilla, a married couple who had a church in their house both expounded the word to Apollos more excellently.(Acts 18:verses 2,24-26)
---Theresa on 8/15/07


Yoshin, the scripture reference you speak of talks about women who had come out of the false worship of the "goddess Diana" and as a result in that particular church they were talking out of turn and asking questions out of turn disrupting the services, as history records. Read the entire Acts chapter 18 and Romans chapter 16 and you'll see what major roles in ministry Paul acknowledged that women had.
---Theresa on 8/15/07


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Another clarification for people who use the scripture reference in II Timothy chapter 2, verse 6 that "the husbandman is the first partaker of the fruits." The greek word translated for "husbandman" means labourer or farmer, the one who sows the seed, which is the word of God according to LUke chapter 8. Priscilla & Aquilla were both husbandmen in the word of God. Just as brethren is used for both sexes, so is this particular use of "husbandman."
---Theresa on 8/15/07


In the early Church, women helped with ministry, and throughout Christian history, women have played a valuable role in the development of the Church, and rightly so, but they were never ordained as presbyters.

Woman have a very important role in Christianity, but it is vanity that makes some want to take over a man's role too. If Jesus wanted women to be preachers, He would have installed Mary Magdelene as an Apostle or presbyter - it is not like He really worried about what others thought.
---lorra8574 on 8/15/07


Women can preach...

...but only to other women and children - not to men. "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it" as the adage goes.

It's a woman that got us into this position of a wicked world and you are asking for a woman to lead? God forbid.
---Steveng on 8/15/07


Okay there are so many nowadays in disagreement about women preachers.Isn't the meaning of gospel good news.Well I believe is was a women who Jesus first appeared too and was not Mary the one who He told to go tell the good news that He had risen from the dead and were they not the first to believe that He had risen? where were the mens and pray tell and where, are the mens today./ "Still hiding"
---anna on 8/15/07


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Okay there are so many nowadays in disagreement about women preachers.Isn't the meaning of gospel good news.Well I believe is was a women who Jesus first appeared too and was not Mary the one who He told to go tell the good news that He had risen from the dead and were they not the first to believe that He had risen? where were the mens and pray tell and where, are the mens today./ "Still hiding"
---anna on 8/15/07


userp - to force, beguile cunningly
the former temple prostitues were used to being the "priestesses" they were trying to force their way into leadership.

again there were many people who used the Bible to uphold slavery, anti-semitism etc

God will reveal your hearts bc out of the mouth (in this case the keyboard) the heart speaks.
---Andrea on 8/15/07


To women in this blog, Paul makes it perfectly clear that women should be submissive to men, not preach or teach and if they have a spiritual question - do not ask about it in public (like in a blog) - ask your husbands at home. Paul received his info from visions. I have found most women to be on a higher spiritual plain the average man. I would rather listen to Jesus words then Pauls, but most Christians love to view Jesus words through Pauls ideas.
---yoshin on 8/15/07


I'm not against women preachers. I have seen several women who were anointed ministers of the Lord. I am against preachers who are self-called and are not called of God. There are lots of them around today and many have thousands of followers. Some are women and some are men.
---Susie on 8/15/07


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You do have core belief systems that come out.
The good thing about exposing all of these names and lives, when you become bored with the old batch, a new batch of lives will reappear, because for you, it's fun.
It's not going to stop until you stop, or until you become so nasty, like the old T.S., that people no longer answer you.
In the future, knowing your tactics, people will spot you sooner. They'll know they are speaking to somone who would tell a falsehood if the truth sounded better.
---Barney on 8/15/07


I'm not sure I follow this narrow question. The bible states the ministry gifts of Apostles, Prophets, Pastor, Teacher, and evangelist. In the new testament, there is female prophetess listed in Luke 2:36-37

She spoke to "ALL" which pretty much covers man.
---Paul on 8/14/07


Barney: What's up? To tell you the truth I don't even know who Marcia is. I see her posts from time to time and that's it. To answer one of your questions. I am not a preacher's wife. I don't like to use labels unless needed. I am just an old sanctified gal who loves Jesus. Don't matter much who preach the gospel(male or female) as long as it gets out there. And souls are saved.
---Robyn on 8/14/07


Rita, that is exactly what I dont understand. If a woman submits to a mans authority, is she no longer responsible for her sins as she is acting at the mans direction? If she is under his authority is he her intercessor? If a woman doesnt have a husband, brother or father who is she supposed to submit to? If she can pray to God directly why should she be under the authority of any man?
---randy on 8/14/07


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I agree whole heartedly with you Robyn. I've seen women who are stronger leaders in faith than some men. Who is to say God can't call a woman to preach? By saying God only calls men is limiting what God can do!!!!
---Katie on 8/14/07


One of the personalities always dominates the others. Robyn - I see you've come out of hiding when Marcia or one other of Kathr's personalities are taking the heat.
But all of you are fundamental holiness, isn't one of you actually the preacher's wife? That would make you roar like a lion to be in charge of most everything - especially since old daddy doesn't look so good and is probably getting tired.
---Barney on 8/14/07


We as women have to know our place and also men. It is easy to take a question of this sort and blow it out of proportion. I do not think some men are qualified to lead anyone and they will tell you that themselves. The woman,sometimes, has to lead. Just because a man is a man does not make him a leader. God can use anyone to be a leader. Male or female. I am for female pastors and other positions, they are called to. I refuse to judge. I am not God.
---Robyn on 8/14/07


Another point: Behind every good man is a good woman. This basically means the woman is wielding the power, behind the scenes. If he is smart, he will listen. He does not have to take her advice and counsel but it would behoove him to take it under consideration. This pertains to a "WISE" man...only. There is a difference.
---Robyn on 8/14/07


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Another point: I will listen to anyone who speaks the truth. It can be a child. I will listen. Male or female. What does it matter? There is already too much favoritism. Little I's and big YOU's in the churches now. We as Christians need to come together and keep the Unity between us. Not look at the small differences. This is why there is so much division, lack of support for the church and its leaders. They cannot present a strong front and unity to the rest of the Body.
---Robyn on 8/14/07


In Acts Chapter 18 verses 24-26 Priscilla and Aquilla expounded the word together to Apollos to more excellently. Priscilla was not usurping authority over the man, but she and her husband were in cooperative ministry of the Word of God. Apollos was a man yet she ministered to him. Apostle Paul called them both fellow workers with him in the gospel.(Romans 16 verses3-5)
---Theresa on 8/14/07


Women are preachers, prophets, etc. as it says in Galatians 3:28-"There is neither male nor female....but we're all one in Christ Jesus." Yes, the woman is not to usurp authority over the man. Preaching the Word of God is not usurping authority over the man. In the Lord it is one's call to proclaim the word of God to them that believe or to them who will be believers. Priscilla and Aquilla, (a married couple), together had a church in their house,(Romans 16th chapter.)
---Theresa on 8/14/07


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