ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Are We Called To Be Saved

On another blog about how to be saved I read that there is nothing you can really do because God has to 'call' you. How do I know if God called me or not? Are there some people that God doesn't call?

Join Our Christian Friendship and Take The Salvation Bible Quiz
 ---sue on 8/13/07
     Helpful Blog Vote (6)

Post a New Blog



Satan said just opposite to what God said to Eve. Servants of Satan do the same today.

Doing exactly what the master says is glorifying the master. Satan ridicules it as salvation by works for their own merit.

God says to keep his commandments for eternal life. Satan points out the impossibility of keeping his commandments.

In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus Christ tells his disciples to teach all nations to obey all things whatsoever he has commanded them. In Mark 16:15, Jesus Christ gave the same commission referring this as the gospel to preach all the world. That is, preach the gospel is to preach his commandments to obey.

Satan says obeying the commandments is not the gospel. He preaches against obeying them.
---Dave on 6/11/09


Anne, all people commit sin. The Bible says, All come short of the glory of God. No exceptions. People still under the law are in rebellion to God. What really condemns them is rejection of Christ. Keeping the commandments is not enough to enter heaven. The rich young ruler in Luke 18 was such a man. He keep all the commandments Jesus mentioned. He was religious and was confident he was right with God. But he didn't have a heart committed to God alone, a heart that has no room for anything but God. The tragety for him and many religious people, is that he went through the external rituals of religion. He resembled those of whom Jesus said, "These people honor me wth their lips, but their hearts are from from Me" Matt. 15:8.
---MarkV. on 6/11/09


Anne 2: Luke 18:9 tells us "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable" The parable demonstrates the futility of an external religion, a religion that relies upon compliance to rules and regulations. The answer from both the Pharisee and the tax collector. Their answers showed the spirit that was in them. The tax collector knew he deserved nothing from God, he said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner" The tax collector knew he could not negotiate a settlement with God, he could not trade his good works and religious duties in exchange for forgiveness. While the Pharisee displayed all his works.
---MarkV. on 6/11/09


Markv,

Correction on your part.
They hear, they do not listen and obey.
They hear but they do not believe Christ is for real.
They hear but they think he is false or not the son of God.
But they most certainly hear.
Ask someone who isn't saved if they heard about Jesus. I can tell you they will say yes, but they either don't believe or they believe and don't follow him.
The answer to the blog question is that all are called but few listen and obey.
This question would not have even been asked if some weren't saying that God made some to go to hell and some for heaven. God made all of us to be with him some just love this world too much instead of God our maker.
---miche3754 on 6/11/09


Anne, I have every right to bring up inconsistencies with what you teach. Thats what these blogs are here for, discussion!!!! Not YOUR personal agenda.

You were the one who called me rude and hateful because I did just that.

These inconsistencies I backed up by scripture Joshua 24.

We're warned about those having a form of Godliness but deny the POWER...

If the Holy Spirit (POWER) hasn't taught you what TRUE Godliness and Righteous living is, and you get out of sorts when SCRIPTURE is presented to you,you need to say something like, " I'll pray about that".

Your tactic is exactly as the Emergent Church uses, responding in false accusations and hatefulness.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/09




"Fallen men are creatures of extremes: no sooner are they driven out of the false refuge of trusting to their own righteousness, than they fly to the opposite and no less dangerous error of supposing that, since they cannot be justified by their own works, that there is no necessity, whatever for good works, and no danger from ungodly living and unholy practice.
To merely say I have faith when I am unable to appeal to any good works and spiritual fruits as the evidence of it, profits neither the speaker nor those who listen to his empty talk. Ability to prate in an orthodox manner about the doctrines of Christianity is a vastly different thing from justifying faith."
The Doctrine of Justification by AW Pink
---Nana on 6/10/09


Miche,
God considers them dead. They keep sinning that is dead in sins. They are alive and well to write posts. You tried your best to give truth to them. Did they hear? No. They don't believe God's word. So, God says they do not hear him, meaning they will not believe him. "John 8:45 ... I tell you the truth, ye BELIEVE me not. 46 ... I say the truth, why do ye not BELIEVE me? 47 He that is of God HEARETH (BELIEVE) God's words: ye therefore HEAR (BELIEVE) them not, because ye are not of God." Dead (sinning) people neither BELIEVE nor OBEY God. So, God says they do not HEAR him. They are physically alive to HEAR, but eternally dead not to BELIEVE.
---Dave on 6/11/09


Miche, this is not addressed to you, it is a statement of fact. It comes because of your response, you said,
"Christ calls all through HIS word, but not all come to him. Those that do, accept him as savior, they receive the Holy Spirit(Spirit of Christ) and The Holy Spirit transforms their heart giving them a heart for God and helping them to walk without sin."

To those that have an ear to hear let them hear,

Christ calls those that can hear. He would be foolish to call those that don't hear. His Word goes out to many and many do not hear. "Faith comes from hearing" Hearing the Word of God" A person cannot have faith when he is lost unless he can hear the Word of God.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Hearing 2: It is not my words that I had put down but the very Words of Christ.
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." Only those who can hear, see and with a new heart can have faith because they can hear. Only those whom God has given life to. That is why salvation is of the Lord. It is by grace through faith and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God so that no one can boast. And claim it was of their own doing. Eph. 2:1-10 begins with, "And you He made alive who were dead in trespasses and sin" The first order of business is to bring those who are dead to life in Christ.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Kathr~ I don't know why you're talking about anger. I don't feel angry, and I hope you don't either.

I really don't enjoy having discussions with you Kathr since it seems to go in an endless circle and off the true subject etc., but Miche doesn't seem to mind chatting with you. I wish I did enjoy chatting with you, but in all honesty I don't (unless you and I are talking about poetry perhaps.)

Please respect my wishes to not have long drawn-out discussions with you. Thank you and good day.
---Anne on 6/10/09




Kathr~ I don't know why you're talking about anger. I don't feel angry, and I hope you don't either.

I really don't enjoy having discussions with you Kathr since it seems to go in an endless circle and off the true subject etc., but Miche doesn't seem to mind chatting with you. I wish I did enjoy chatting with you, but in all honesty I don't (unless you and I are talking about poetry perhaps.)

Please respect my wishes to not have long drawn-out discussions with you. Thank you and good day.
---Anne on 6/10/09


Anne, adding to my comment to Miche, Israel entering the land. Please read the end of Joshua....I believe chapter 24. Egypt represents the world IN SCRIPTURE. The left Egypt...and entered into the Land. The Land to Us today is Christ Himself paralleling Ephesians.

They were not even to look back at Egypt...

Joshua 24: 14Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt, and serve ye the LORD.

ALL SCRIPTURE is given for Instruction in Righteousness.

Anne, LOVE is not covering up a lie,so your feelings wont get hurt. LOVE tells the truth no matter HOW ANGRY one gets!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


Kathr~ I am very careful who I take instruction from. I take instruction from one wise Pastor whom I email occasionally. I also take instruction from one other ministry, and I would take instruction from people who are very mature in the Lord and exude great kindness such a Miche, Nana, and SuzieH.

Christians are called to teach in kindness, gentleness, patience. I only stive to give instruction in kindness and not in a prideful manner.

I would not partake in an activity that would ever bother my conscience, for I live to abide in the Lord in obedience. I have a perfectly clear clean conscience. This is what we all need to teach: to make sure we are prepared faithful servants of God at all times, and have holy fear of the Lord.
---Anne on 6/10/09


***but those who get deceived/tempted and return back to sin follow the ways of darkness and not light.***

Exactly Anne. And for your information, If you cannot take instruction, yet feel so free to judge and give instruction, that is pride.

My comment to you on another blog was NOT rude or hateful, but TRUTH.

WE are crucified to the world and the world crucified to us. THIS IS our obedience to Jesus Christ.

Do you have a different understanding to what our obedience is to be?

We are continually WARNED about being deceived and seduced by WORLDLY spirits.

Do you believe you are above being deceived?


How does anything of this world GLORIFY God?
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


Miche, it's the same concept as those who did and didn't enter the promise land. No one woke up one day already planted in the land, and said, "Oh, now I see the Land," had to go back over to the other side again to have faith to Cross Over AGAIN to receive the promise. How silly is that? Faith is BELIEVING GOD! Those who were not allowed to cross over even after all the miracles they saw for 40 years SAW THE LAND. Interesting, the new Generation didn't have to endure much of any of those 40 years...and some not at all. We don't WORK our way to salvation...it's a gift..already there waiting for us to receive unconditionally by FAITH ALONE...just as the land was to them.
Hebrews 3 & 4 is For our UNDERSTANDING!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


Amen Kath.
I have tried to explain it to Markv, but he keeps saying a person"dead" in adam can't hear God call him to repent and receive Christ as their savior.
Maybe he will receive it better from you.
---miche3754 on 6/10/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Refinancing


***Miche 2: a dead person cannot hear God. He is dead. Period. Not mostly dead, not almost dead, not even able to move his lips.****

Are we mis-using the word DEAD here. A Physically dead person forever separated from God certainly cannot hear God. But if you mean dead, in that in Adam all die, then everyone is dead....spiritually.

The Gospel CAN be heard by anyone who can move their lips. God does not give new life FIRST to anyone to receive the Gospel. New Life is a Gift to those who by Faith receive Jesus Christ, are baptized into His death and raised up a New Creature IN CHRIST. New Life is the Spirit of the Life of Christ IN YOU.....and is NOT given prior to hearing and receiving.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


I am not even going to address you telling me AGAIN that I don't understand when it is you who doesn't.
"a dead person cannot hear God."-markv
WHat you are kidding right?!
Markv,that is really funny because Saul(Paul) was a sinner(dead), and did not have a heart for God. BUT Christ spoke to him and he heard Christ.
And only Christ can give us a heart for God.
Man, talk about having it backwards!Markv, you sure do.
Here is the right way.
Christ calls all through HIS word, but not all come to him. Those that do, accept him as savior, they receive the Holy Spirit(Spirit of Christ) and The Holy Spirit transforms their heart giving them a heart for God and helping them to walk without sin.
---miche3754 on 6/10/09


The reason God CAN hear sinners is because of Christ. HE died for all. While we were yet sinners.
This is the great and wonderful news.
---duane on 6/10/09


MarkV~ True Christians do not commit sin (I John 3:4-15) for sin separates us from God and sin is of the devil. When we become born-again we are new creatures with a new Spirit. This Spirit is God's works working through us. This is true faith, not dead faith. If we follow His Spirit we are His deciples, but those who get deceived/tempted and return back to sin follow the ways of darkness and not light.

Jesus only paid for the sins of those who are SINCERELY repentant (sincerely turned from darkness to light), and continue to abide in Him. He did not pay for the sins of those who still think they can go ahead and sin.
---Anne on 6/10/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Franchises


Miche 2: a dead person cannot hear God. He is dead. Period. Not mostly dead, not almost dead, not even able to move his lips. God has to bring life in order to talk to them so they can not only understand but hear and see. People who are lost hear the Word of God all the time, but they cannot comprehend the Word of God so they don't hear. They don't have the hearing, or the eyes to see. I gave you the passages about Israel. Deut. 29:2-5, They saw all that the Lord had done, yet they did not have the ears to hear or the eyes to see spiritual things and understand them, "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this day"
He will when it is time for Israel to come to Christ.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


My dear Miche, I didn't say that God only speaks to His children. Please don't say that. I quoted what Jesus said. John 8:47. The question is do you believe it? And you don't. You have all kinds of reasons why not to believe it, your theology is wrong, but He said it. What do you have to say about that? What do you really do with His Words? Did those people love God? No, verse 42. Now to you again, "are His Words Truth?
Why do you think that Shawn T. says, "To whosoever has an ear to hear?"
Only those who are save can hear spiritual things. Only they can see and perceive the Word of God. To the others it will not matter. They are lost.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


To understand what CALLED means, please look up verses with CALLED in it.

We are CALLED to be Saints.

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling,

Do you know what that HOPE is?

1 Thessalonians 2:12
That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

The CHURCH is the Called out. Individuals ( not Nations) are CALLED out. We are Called unto the GRACE of Christ.

ANYONE who hears the Gospel today and Receives Jesus Christ is CALLED unto the Grace of Christ to be Saints.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


Markv,

The question is does God call some to be saved and others not?
We have to answer the question 'HOW DOES GOD SAVE SINNERS' to answer this question correctly.
I asked you this on another blog but you still haven't answered me.
How did Christ speak to Paul(Saul) on the road to Damascus since Saul was not yet save?
You claim only the saved can hear God but answer that question about Paul and you will find you are in grave error. God calls all of us to be saved by Christ but not all listen to that still small voice.
---miche3754 on 6/10/09


Send a Free Holiday Ecard


MarkV,
You wrote: "Dave, you first rebuke the very words of Christ in John 8:47, you and others claim what He said is not Truth, etc" You are telling a lie. Jesus says that his sheep hear his voice and follow him. Others are not deaf, they hear but do not obey him. Jesus was talking to them. They were hearing him. Jesus was asking: "why you do not believe me?" followed by saying you do not hear. When he say "hear" he means that they do not believe him to obey God. Look! You just play dumb to play games, Or are you really dumb?
---Dave on 6/10/09


Duane,
What is your good works? Is it keep on sinning and praising God for the liberty to sin until you die.
---Dave on 6/10/09


Dave,
You must read closely what I wrote. Faith alone is the producer of good works. We all need real faith to do anything pleasing to God. Anything not OF faith is sin.
Of course if there are no good works produced from faith, that faith is dead and useless.
---duane on 6/10/09


Dave, you first rebuke the very words of Christ in John 8:47, you and others claim what He said is not Truth, now you add your words to Holy Scripture. It must make you feel good that the only way you can justify what you preach is to add to the word of God or deny the Word of God. I knew from the beginning you didn't know what you were talking about. Anne is catching on little by little even if she is against me, most of what she writes is Truth, but she still add's to the Truth a little so that she doesn't speak against herself. Miche, keeps asking are answering even if she doesn't trust the Truth yet but I am sure she will one day, but you, you take the cake.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Lead Generation


Anne, again I ask since you put down scripture that believers don't sin,
"Do you no longer commit sin?"
you never answered my question. "Are you without sin?" No one can keep the whole law Anne, and the only reason you now don't go to hell is because Christ took your sins instead. If He hadn't you would go to hell in a basket. For without Christ you would be dead in sin. Lucky for you, you have Christ even when you don't believe in His Words.
If you are without sin and all your buddies are too, then the whole of Scripture is false.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


MarkV,

You said that I contradict myself by taking half of my sentence and leaving the rest. Let me fill you in.

After Eph 2:9, I wrote: "We are not saved by the works of circumcision, tradition, and ceremonies." Also I wrote: "Works of righteousness is a must for salvation." Are you blind not to see them?

Here comes your deceptive twist. After Eph 2:10, your comment is: "Doesn't that mean God created us that way?" But you maintain the stand that you will be sinning until you die. Verse 10 says "which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Did God ORDAINED that you must be SINNING until you die? You give a deceptive twist to scripture and say I contradict.
---Dave on 6/9/09


Duane,
You say "Its not your faith and your works that save. Its your faith alone ..." Don't you know that faith without works is dead?Faith and works must be together for the faith to be alive. "James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"
---Dave on 6/9/09


MarkV~ Dave did not contradict himself. Dave was just basically saying:

We are not saved by works such as the works of the old Jewish traditions that included such things as performing various ceremonies, circumcision, and so forth.

BUT...

If once you claim to be 'saved', yet your life has no evidence of the works of God working in your life then your faith is not alive, rather you are clinging to a dead faith. The evidence of the works of God working in one's life include:

1. We no longer commit sin or walk in darkness. Rather we walk in Light.

2. We follow the Lord's commands as His obedient deciples and abide in Him.

3. We follow the Spirit (God's will), not the flesh (our will).
---Anne on 6/9/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Mortgages


God bless you sister Anne. And all who love his truth. It is the truth that makes us free.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


Dave, Exzucuh, SuzieH~ I noticed we can't reply on the 'God's unmerited favor' blog, but I just wanted to tell you three what a blessing it is to have such STRONG, STRAIGHT-FORWARD, BOLD, NO-NONSENSE preaching and teaching from you three today especially in the midst of all the wimpy, partial-truth, deceptive, watered-down teachings you were dealing with today.

You three on the 'God's unmerited favor' blog etc. teach like Jesus, Paul, and the prophets/apostles as true soldiers in God's Army. Thanks for all you do in helping fight for truth in a sea of deception. God bless you all so richly!
---Anne on 6/9/09


Correction...We are saved through the faith that PRODUCES good works of righteousness.
Its not your faith and your works that save. Its your faith alone by the grace of God which can PRODUCE great and wonderful works that can move mountains.
---duane on 6/9/09


Dave you contradict yourself in your answers. You speak one way and answer the opposite.
You say, "We are called to work to be saved." you say we are call to work to be save and give:
"Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."
English: Not of works.

Second" you say, "Eph 2:10 we are ..., created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." If we are created in Christ Jesus for good works" Doesn't that mean God created us that way?
You say,
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye SAVED through FAITH,..." you forgot the rest, "and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God"
---MarkV. on 6/9/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Personal Loans


We are called to work to be saved.
"Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast."
We are not saved by the works of circumcision, tradition, and ceremonies.
"Eph 2:10 we are ..., created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
"Phil 2:12 my beloved, as ye have ALWAYS OBEYED, .... WORK OUT your own SALVATION with fear and trembling." God rejected the disobedient and tells the obedient to work out their salvation.
"Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye SAVED through FAITH,... James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?" We are saved by faith that has works.
Works of righteousness is a must for salvation.
---Dave on 6/9/09


--Ruben:1

Brother, God's Spirit 'Interprets' His Word. It's the flesh of men that's confused. It's why Paul said "Walk in the Spirit & ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh Gal.5:16"

---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09

Amen on what Paul verse. And Yes, God's Spirit Interprets his words, especially on John Gospel chapter 6 verse 54-55 "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed". And Jesus tell us in v63 " the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." And as you know the word Spirit is never use symbolic!
---Ruben on 6/5/09


--Ruben:1

Brother, God's Spirit 'Interprets' His Word. It's the flesh of men that's confused. It's why Paul said "Walk in the Spirit & ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh Gal.5:16"

Diligence in Follow the Lord's Spirit is what makes our election sure(2Peter1:8-11) The Lord's Strength is made Perfect in those Brethren that give 'Diligence' to being weak before His Spirit to be Drawn by God into Saving Faith in Christ & becoming the Elect. All the other Brethren are those in Matt.7:21-23.

The Elect aren't deceived do to a 'Enduring' relationship with the indwelling Spirit, who Guides, Teaches & keeps us in Remembrance of the Truth of God's Seed of 'Wheat' among the doctrine 'Tares' of men.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09


--Ruben: 2

Brother, You're Absolutely Correct!! The Younger Son at first was Saved in his Father's Kingdom, just as Adam was Saved in the Garden. That's part of what I was in Hopes of sharing with you when I said, 'Esoterically the Younger Son parallels the Fall & Rise of man From Genesis to Revelation'.

The Fall of Adam lead us all to be lost(unsaved), and from seeking to gain his own portion the Younger Son became lost : and as the Lord said,"What Shall It Profit a Man, If He Shall Gain The Whole World, And Lose His Own Soul? Mark 8:36". The Younger Son later realized this & I Prayer we do as well, returning once & for all to Eternally Abide with our Heavenly Father in His Kingdom !!

Peace & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Auto Insurance


To the blogger who wonted to know about being saved and whether or not God called you.First God calls by the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom.When man hears the gospel and believes it repents take up his cross an follew Jesus christ ,to follew Jesus is to keep his saying,commands ,word and you shall be set free from the sin nature we inherited.This happens when we receive the holyspirit.God only gives his holyspirit to those who obey him and to obey Jesus is obeying God.He is the way, the truth ,the life and know man can come unto the father but by him.I hope this helped you
---laverne on 6/4/09


The Brethren that give 'Diligence' to do these things for Christ sake, make their calling & election sure :never falling. The Brethren that don't(Matt.7:21-23). This is what Paul & Peter were saying which isn't contrary to Jesus Proclaiming the Elect not being deceived!

---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09

All three were not saying that the elect cannot be deceived, rather they are saying to endure to the end and if you do this things. Jesus himself gave forewarning to the elect in Matthew 24:25 "See, I have told you ahead of time" Thus Mark 13:22 "if possible, even the elect" Thanks Shawn for your time!
---Ruben on 6/4/09


While the Younger Son esoterically parallels the Fall & Rise of man from Genesis to Revelation :and no where in the parable did he fall & rise only to fall again.

---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09

No, but he was saved and then unsaved and then saved again. You cannot ask the (God)( Father)for your portion unless you are saved! "For this my son was dead,(Unsaved) and is alive again,(Saved Again) he was lost, and is found."(Luke 15:24)
---Ruben on 6/4/09


Shawn_M.T.* Brother, What doctrine of man isn't leaky! It's exactly why as God's Children we don't put our Trust in the doctrine 'Tares' of men(Jer.17:5), but only in the Truth of God's Shining Light of 'Wheat' :revealed through our 'Enduring' relationship with the indwelling Spirit.

But what determine whose interpretaion of scripture is correct, because all say that they have the indwelling Spirit. And as you know the Holy Spirit is not a confuse Spirit!

---Ruben on 6/4/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Holidays


God's grace doesn't mean it's a 'free ticket' to heaven.

The Bible says:

1. Through following Jesus, and through obedience to the Holy Spirit, we must persist in doing good so He'll give us eternal life. (Rom.2:7) This is GOD working (through us.)

2. We must deny the flesh and instead sow to the Spirit to reap eternal life.Gal 6:8,9 (to 'reap' means to eventually gain eternal life IF we remain faithful in following/abiding/obeying Him.)

3. We must endure in Him to the end on the strait and narrow. (Lk 13:24) God's Spirit remains with those who remain in His Spirit. If we choose to sin and not repent, we again are separated from God until we earnestly repent. If we choose to abide in the Lord He continuously guides us.
---Anne on 6/3/09


No problem Ruben! God bless!
---Anne on 6/3/09


--Ruben:

Brother, Esoterically the Older Son connects & give emphasize to what Jesus Proclaimed in V.10, that "there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repents". The Older Son's anger was from never seeing & understanding the Truth the Father later intreated to him in V.31-32, BUT he neither sinned nor was he hasty of spirit, exalting to folly(Pro.14:29). It the Father, not us even though we're with Him, that Knows & Understands everything.

While the Younger Son esoterically parallels the Fall & Rise of man from Genesis to Revelation :and no where in the parable did he fall & rise only to fall again.

Hey, Thank for sharing!!

Grace Unto You & Peace, Be Multiplied
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09


HOW DO WE GET TO HEAVEN:

1. By GRACE, not works (Eph 2:8,9)We don't deserve heaven. It's a miraculous free gift since Jesus died for us rotten sinners.

2. Sincerely ask God in prayer to have mercy on you a sinner. (Lk.18:13) Sincere repentance means we'll truly forsake ALL sin. Jesus ONLY saves those who SINCERELY repent.

3. Deny yourself, take up your cross daily counting your suffering as joy as you follow/obey Him (Lk.9:23)

4. God's grace is not a 'free ticket' to heaven. The Bible says:

-We must PERSIST in doing good so He'll give us eternal life. (Rom 2:7)

- We must sow to please the Spirit to REAP eternal life.(Gal 6:8,9)

-We must ENDURE in Him to the end on the strait and narrow. (Lk 13:24)
---Anne on 6/3/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Insurance


--Ruben:<< OSAS has many leaks---Ruben on 6/3/09 >>

Brother, What doctrine of man isn't leaky! It's exactly why as God's Children we don't put our Trust in the doctrine 'Tares' of men(Jer.17:5), but only in the Truth of God's Shining Light of 'Wheat' :revealed through our 'Enduring' relationship with the indwelling Spirit. The Brethren that give 'Diligence' to do these things for Christ sake, make their calling & election sure :never falling. The Brethren that don't(Matt.7:21-23). This is what Paul & Peter were saying which isn't contrary to Jesus Proclaiming the Elect not being deceived!

The Older Son was only angry(Eph.4:25-27) until V.31-32, when he finally understood the Feast as the Glory of Finding that which was 'Lost'.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/3/09


'To Be With The Father' partaking Eternally of all that He has in His Kingdom, as the Older Son always did, is the inheritance in this parable(Luke 15:31). The Younger Son later comprehended this in Luke 15:17.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


But you can have all that the Father offers and yet still ask for your portion and leave. And even being with the Father you can still "And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him"V28. OSAS has many leaks
---Ruben on 6/3/09


INSTEAD OF SAYING as it's Truthfully written : "shall shew signs & wonders, to seduce, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, even the elect"
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09

To say that Paul is saying the elect will not be deceived, Paul use the say word in 2 Tim 2:10 "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory."

Or even 2 Peter 1:10 "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
---Ruben on 6/3/09


Ruben~ You received a nice compliment from the moderator on the "How to blog on Christianet" blog. Congratulations, and yes I do agree you have shown very respectful behaviour which we should all emulate.
---Anne on 6/2/09

Thanks Anne to bring it to my attention, thanks to both you and the Moderator!
---Ruben on 6/3/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Dating


Who is the elect if not the favored of the Lord? To one of the Angels, which are in His hand:
Revelation 2:19: "I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works, and the last to be more than the first.
20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
---Nana on 6/3/09


frances008,
Good Scripture you cited!

Malachi 3:7: "Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?"

What then shall we say, "Are We Called To Be Saved"?
On that account, Christ quoted Scripture, John 6:45: "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me."

So, how many are or who is called? It is right there in John 6:45.
---Nana on 6/2/09


Ruben~ You received a nice compliment from the moderator on the "How to blog on Christianet" blog. Congratulations, and yes I do agree you have shown very respectful behaviour which we should all emulate.
---Anne on 6/2/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

To distinguish between the portion & part of our 'Reward', in the Parable of the Prodigal Son, from our 'Inheritance' of Salvation : we must view the whole Parable in context.

The inheritance of the Father wasn't the portion & part of goods which He gave to the Younger Son. This is the reward in this parable. Payment which fell & was divided unto the Young, in Luke 15:12.

'To Be With The Father' partaking Eternally of all that He has in His Kingdom, as the Older Son always did, is the inheritance in this parable(Luke 15:31). The Younger Son later comprehended this in Luke 15:17.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Health Treatments


--Ruben:

As a whole John 14:15-16 fits with the context I'm sharing about the Love God's Children are Drawn into to keep the Will of His Commandments & abide with Him forever!

Mark 13:22, is 'Spot On' for "nor His Elect shall be deceived"!!

I'm amazed how many people hear this verse incorrectly and think it's saying that 'the Elect CAN be deceived or seduce'. I wonder sometimes if they have a proper grasp of English because if that was what this verse was meant to say, it would've been written : "shall shew signs & wonders, to seduce, even the elect."

INSTEAD OF SAYING as it's Truthfully written : "shall shew signs & wonders, to seduce, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, even the elect"
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


Shawn_M.T.* The will of God's Children is that 'His Will Be Done' AMEN.

If you mean "But he who does the will of my Father "(MTT 7:21-23)

Shawn_M.T.* Salvation isn't a 'Reward' but a 'Inheritance' :

But like the Podigal Son we can ask for our inheritance and walk away! "And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me."(Luke 15:12)

Shawn_M.T. *nor His Elect shall be deceived,

" For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."(Mark 13:22)
---Ruben on 6/2/09


I found this in Malachi which implies that all those people who are not Christians are also saved if they fulfill certain conditions like this.
'Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another And the Lord listened and heard them. So a book of remembrance was written before Him For those who fear the Lord and who meditate on His name.'
---frances008 on 6/2/09


4)To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The Body of Christ is a 'Great Team' who humbly & harmoniously works together for Christ sake to Edify the Brethren.

The will of God's Children is that 'His Will Be Done' AMEN. Salvation isn't a 'Reward' but a 'Inheritance' : God's Free Gift to 'Whosoever Ask'(James 4:1-3) to be Born-Again, into the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.

Now shall we sin, being Saved under Grace, God forbid!(Rom.6:15-22) We no longer put our Trust in man made teachings, no matter how nefariously wise, serious or sound it appears. God nor His Elect shall be deceived, because we have a relationship with His indwelling Spirit who Guides, Teaches & keep us in Remembrance of the Truth we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


Read These Insightful Articles About Affiliate Program


1)To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

The Lord calls, Drawing everyone to the 'Wedding Feast'!!

Every doctrine has preachers & teachers falsely advocating the Truth in their books & pulpits and they believe they're Saved obedient servants of Christ(Matt.7:21-23) but remain careless in an unchanged heart, unbeknown to them, still willfully sinning.

The Truth of 'Once Sealed Always Sealed' applies to those who have been Born-Again Sealed with the Spirit of Promise by Saving Faith in Obedience unto Death of Christ, Truth, Holiness, Forgiveness & Mercy by God's Loving Grace. Truly turned from the of evil sins.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


2) To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Our Salvation is depended on the Obedience of Christ, upon which were Drawn into by the Love of God. Once our Heaven Father has brought us into the Saving Faith of an Obedient New Heart in Christ we're Eternally Saved & Sealed with the Lord's Promise of redeeming Salvation on the Last Day : FOR out of the Heart flows the issues of Life and that's what we're Sealed unto in Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


3)To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

We're able to Love God because He First Loved us and it's only through being Drawn by God's Love into the Charity of Loving our Lord, God with all our Heart, Soul & Mind, that we're able to 'Endure'(persevere) all things :FOR Charity never faileth!!

Do not be deceived, it's not of your own strength but the 'Passion of Christ' which has persevered unto Salvation. All Glory goes to God for supplying all the needs of the Chosen Elect through His Riches & Glory in Christ Jesus : Whose strength is made perfect in God's Children's weakness, enabling us to do all things, 'Persevering' in His Obedience Unto Death. (2Cor.12:9-10)
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/2/09


It is not really "called" it is "drawn". Yes, each man at some point is 'drawn'. It is unmistakable. You do realize when the Holy Spirit is drawing you to Jesus for Salvation and you are ccnvicted of sin at that time and either recieve salvation or reject it. ALL people are given the opportunity but not all men receive Jesus as Lord and Savior. The Bible teaches that some men are not created as elect for Jesus but are for perdition and that we are not to question that.
---jody on 9/6/08


Read These Insightful Articles About Abortion Facts


You are talking about "predestination" and the "elect". Unfortunately believers of this doctrine overlook the following which is Jesus speaking in a parable of lost sheep: Matthew 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. It is not Gods will that any body spend eternity separated from Him.

Sadly some make that choice. He also said, "Whosoever", that's anybody not just "elected/called".
---denna7667 on 9/10/07


1. if your called by God it'll be by HIS gospel

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
---steven-rem7000 on 8/15/07


Called is when you start to open your mind to possibilities that you rejected up to that point. Do not expect a voice. Most things in the Bible are metaphoric because it is hard to put spiritual concepts into words.
---yoshin on 8/14/07


If your on this blog - God is calling you.
What must you do to be saved - believe in Jesus Christ and the work He finished on the cross. Then hold on its a wild ride.

There are many more scriptures but guard your heart from other people - expose it to Christ. He will never leave you or forsake you, He is faithful when you are faithless.

Its a good thing.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


Read These Insightful Articles About Acne Treatment


Yes, Rose, I've been on these blogs for a few years now. EXXXCCCUUUUSsse ME! I guess I'm a slow learner.
I ask my questions in all respect because I (so far) would always get intellegent, respectful, thoughful answers in return.

Being humble has nothing to do with me not going to church and I certainly am NOT going to repent of my sins with my last breath!

The rest: thank you again for your replies, I do read them many times over and think about every answer. I'll pray about this.
---sue on 8/13/07


Sue, how long have been on these blogs?
Approximately, five years, yes?

Rebellion is the only thing that can keep you away from God, and that would be your choice. If you want to keep your distance from all churches and gather your biblical knowledge from bloggers, that is also your choice. But in five years, if you don't know the answer to that question, you need to do something different.
---Rose on 8/13/07


sue.......The simple fact that you are asking this question is proof that GOD is calling you.
---JIM on 8/13/07


God puts the call out to all who hear the Word. But it appears he only qualifies certain people to hear and respond. Like the girl and Lazarus whom Christ resurrected, they had to be restored first (like our "dead" souls must be) before they answered His call. The fact that the question is troubling you could be evidence of being drawn to Christ by the Father. Definitely something on which to spend a lot of time in earnest prayer.
---Jim on 8/13/07


Read These Insightful Articles About Bad Credit Loans


The OSAS/You Can't Lose people take one or two scriptures and build entire doctrines/churches out of them.
If you will not humble yourself to step foot into a church or seek the Lord while He may be found for your life, you are going to be left dangling and sitting on the sidelines.
You really don't want that, but you're not sure what it's going to require of you either.
---Rose on 8/13/07


Sue, you can take the easy way out and assume that God never called you in the first place, but that is error.
You can resist God for the rest of your life, make it to your final day and then hope you have enough breath left to repent of your sin and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
You can stay on the blogs and ask the same questions a year or two from now.
In the first year of a Christian's life, as an adult, there is a huge leap of growth.
---Rose on 8/13/07


Sue, the only thing stopping you from accepting Jesus Christ completely, is you.

You are chosen, but you have the right to refuse Jesus Christ.
It's free, but you have to accept it by faith, like the rest of us wanted to.

Little children of 5 or 6 years old are able to comprehend and understand this invitation.
They accept it by faith as adults do.
Childlike faith is precious in the sight of God.
---Rose on 8/13/07


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.