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Was Peter Really Saved

"Peter sinned by denying Jesus. Yet, Peter was a born-again believer. King David was a Christian, yet he conspired to have a man killed to cover up an unwanted pregnancy from an adulterous affair with that man's wife. Moses was a murderer." Question, were these men really saved.

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Hello Duane, I believe you are correct in one sense and Gordon is right too in another sense. Salvation is a promise of the wrath of God, that has not happened yet. The Old Testament believers were given that promise because they believed in the coming of our Lord, the New Testament believers are also saved by grace through faith, in the finished work of Christ, because we are also promised that salvation which hasn't come until the day of our Lord.
---mark on 8/17/07


#2. Duane, we have the promise, a new spiritual life, forgiveness, the Holy Spirit endwelling us, and most of all the righteousness of Christ. The only one that has not happen yet is salvation from the wrath of God. Reconciliation is the change which Christ's death produced in the relationship between God and fallen men. As a result of Calvary, God can justly show mercy where previously only judgment could be rendered. Man had no part in it (2 Cor.5:19)
---mark on 8/17/07


Rachel,
Old testament saints had the hope of salvation, but could not enter until Christ.
We are saved because Christ lives within.
---duane on 8/17/07


The whole idea of Grace is that God saves inspite of what we do as sinners. Jesus knew that Peter would denie Him and even warned Him. Peter was forgiven before he even committed the act. Yes Peter was a born again Christian. Jesus built His church on Peter. The old testament characters of God were not Christians as Christ had not been born, but were loved of God and forgiven by God if they repented sorrowfully.
---jody on 8/17/07


Duane, The Old Testament "Saints" were "saved", even before the Cross, because of their FAITH. They knew the Lord GOD (YAHUVEH) and they knew of the Prophecies of the Coming of the Messiah in Bethlehem. All of them had, AT LEAST, the Promise of the Messiah's first Advent from the Story in Genesis where GOD foretold the Promise of the "Seed of the woman" Who is Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA).
---Gordon on 8/17/07




All of these men were God's men, and saved.

The disciples had been with Jesus almost three years and had only seen Him as a man.
On the Mount of Transfiguration, they saw Him in His glorified body. His face did shine as the sun and
His raiment was as white as the light. "And behold there appeared unto them Moses
and Elias talking with Him," it had been 1451 years since Moses
had his funeral on the mountain top across the River Jordan from the promised land.
---Rachel on 8/16/07


After the death of Moses we hear nothing more of him for 1451 years, but to our surprise here he is on the Mount
of Transfiguration. We look at the other fellow who is on the mount and behold it is Elijah, and he
had been gone 896 years.

So we have before us the Law-giver and the prophet and the Savior. The Savior had said
---Rachel on 8/16/07


that he would not pass away until all the Law and the Prophets were fulfilled. We have in the presence of three witnesses, Peter, James and John, the Christ of the Old and New Testaments. Now here stands Moses that gave the Law to the world, the greatest Prophet that ever lived, Elijah, prayer that brought the three years' famine and the prayer that brought the rain, and the prayer that brought the fire from heaven, and the slaying of eight hundred and fifty false prophets.
---Rachel on 8/16/07


On the mountain top, three great proofs before us:
We have Moses there to represent all the dead, and he proves the resurrection. In
the case of Moses we see that the dead will be resurrected and will stand at the Judgment of
God as natural as if they had never died. We see this proven by Moses, for here is a man that had
been dead 1451 years, and we see him as natural as if he had never died. So Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration
---Rachel on 8/16/07


represents all the dead in Christ. We remember that Elijah never died but was translated, went up without tasting death, but there he stands on the mountain top as if he had just come from Mt. Carmel. Elijah represents all the living, for he never died. He still remained the old Prophet, when Peter saw him, he knew him and called him by name. So that proves that we will know each other. Some have doubts as to whether we will know each other in heaven or not.
---Rachel on 8/16/07




While the face of the Lord was shining like the sun, the voice of the Father saying, "This is my well beloved Son, hear him." He did not
say to hear Moses, or to hear Elijah, but He said "hear him," hear Christ. While we are to
honor all men to whom honor is due, we are to hear the Son of God and we are to obey Him and Him only.
---Rachel on 8/16/07


None were saved before the Cross and resurrection.
If people were saved before Christ, why were they still looking and waiting for their messiah the saviour Christ?
Christ had to take sin away so they could enter.
.. No sin shall enter...
Ye must be born again
---duane on 8/16/07


Yes, all of these men were saved! If you read carefully, you will find that each of these men lived a life that showed REPENTENCE of their "infamous" sins. And they, for the MOST part, lived lives that were PLEASING to GOD (YAHUVEH). A Christian is not going to be sinless until they arrive in Heaven. But, we are to STRIVE, as it were, to live in HOLINESS, and in daily repentence of our sins. The Bible is clear on this that, without HOLINESS, no man will see The LORD.
---Gordon on 8/16/07


Even though Peter denied Christ three times, Peter realized what he had done, he repented of his sins. He preached on the day of Pentecost. He and 119 other people were waiting for God to send the Holy Ghost with fire so they could be baptized by it. Duane, repenting of sin never saved anyone? Then why is people on their way to hell because of unrepented sins? God is our salvation. And salvation was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began. 2 Tim 1:9. That verse just over-rode your statement.
---Rebecca_D on 8/16/07


There was no salvation until Christ rose from the dead.
---duane on 8/15/07


Repenting of sin never saved anyone.
---duane on 8/15/07


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Peter repented, as Moses and David did.
That unmerited favor and grace does not come without repenting for your sin. God used all three of these men in a mighty way. That also includes Samson. After Samson repented, God used him in the most powerful way that Samson had ever been used. His ending was better than Samson's beginning. It took repenting for his sin to be used like that. All of them disobeyed God, but after they repented, used in an even greater way, and were saved when they died.
---Virginia on 8/15/07


Paul was a multiple murderer but no-one seems to doubt his faith. We are sinners saved by grace (unmerited favour) and the slate is wiped clean - whoever we are and whatever we've done.
---RitaH on 8/14/07


Peter, Moses, and David understood the second point of faith and that is that "Man is a Sinner". There faith was in the Promise Mesiah, not in themselves. Therefore we can conclude that they were saved. We don't obtain Salvation through our righteousness but through the righteousness of Christ. Faith Saves!!!
---Marcia on 8/14/07


Peter, David and Moses were ALL saved. Romans 3:23 says that "ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God", and Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith.." We are all sinners and it is by God's grace in sending His Son Jesus to die on the Cross for us that we are saved from eternal Hell.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/07


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They were not only saved but also in leadership with huge responsibilities. Their sin, if it would have gone unrepentent, would have destroyed their ministries. Bless God that he is merciful.
---john on 8/13/07


According to the bible they were.Just because you're "saved" doesn't mean you aren't going to sin once in awhile, unless you are ressurected in your new heavenly body, you will have sin, but God & Jesus still considered thease people important, & we can learn that you are still accepted without being perfect.
---candice on 8/13/07


All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. No matter what our sin is, whether big or small, is still sin. Faith is the key. Faith in Jesus Christ's death for our sins and resurrection is the only way to be saved. It is not based on works. Sin will not condemn us to Hell. Our refusal to trust in Christ is what will send us there. So yes, Peter was saved. David was saved as well.
---Ruth on 8/13/07


You could say David was a Christian in the sense that he believed in the Christ to come.

The Bible never said that God's children do not sin. If that were the case, we wouldn't need a savior.
---Jim on 8/13/07


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David was the apple of God's eye, any Christian knows all of these men were saved.
---Raine on 8/13/07


I'm sure mima means David was a follower of God.
I don't think the term saved applys to the OT salvation.
Their faith in YWWH was their salvation though.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


PS: yes Peter was saved in fact he was martyred for his belief in Christ. No higher an honor is there then to one who is martyred for His name sake. God Bless him.
---Andrea on 8/13/07


Peter denied Jesus, but Jesus knew he would do so when Jesus took Peter aside and promised to strengthen him so that Peter could strengthen the rest - who Jesus also knew would be so cowardly that they would run in the face of adversity and not even show up for the trial.

If Peter is not saved, then none of the Apostles were saved either, and there is no hope for the rest of us.

As for David, David was a great sinner, but he also repented greatly. I leave his salvation in God's hands.
---lorra8574 on 8/13/07


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King David a Christian?
Where is the Biblical evidence of that?
---alan_of_UK on 8/13/07


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