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Does God Change Or Evolve

Does God change or evolve?

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It is claimed that God is all knowing. If so, then it would seem odd that God would ever change his mind, since he would always know the outcome. But its clear from even a casual reading of the OT, that God does change his mind often. Evolving? I find no evidence of that.
---alexia on 9/2/07


God said, that He never changes. His ways are not like our ways. He is Perfect. Something that is difficult for our finite minds to understand, but it makes God even more facinating. He never changes, He is always the same...Loving, Faithful and True.
---Dorothy on 9/2/07


YO - you have a rather curious way of reading scripture. Do you ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes or just wing it.

I know your a little different in your views then the mainstream - God's not too picky (I could be wrong on that) but you seem to denigrate the word when you explain it. Just a thought.
---Andrea on 9/1/07


One interesting, common practice of believers and ministers is to place their race into to Old Testament verses. Today when Christians reads Gods Chosen People, they insert themselves into that verse. Christ is from the lineage of David, but the majority of believers are not from Jewish origin. Nor is the US Gods chosen nation in the Old Testament. The Old Testament is against all peoples other then the Jewish race. The New Testament brought the change.
---yoshin on 8/18/07


Yoshin, I believe that the OT destruction of the wicked was for the purpose of preserving those through whom the seed would come. Just think, if David had been overcome by his enemies and killed, then the prophecy of Jesus coming through the line of David through the flesh would have been unfulfilled and God would have been a liar. He protected His seed by protecting those through whom the seed would come.
---Linda on 8/17/07




God does not change, but like any good Father, He adapts His relationship with us to reflect our maturity as His children. We have developed over time and our understanding of our Creator has evolved, but the Creator Himself has not actually changed.

He has made allowance for us within the context of our spirtual development - for example, God hates divorce but did allow it for a time when Moses made it possible for his people to get a decree of divorce for the hardness of their hearts.
---lorra8574 on 8/17/07


God never changes. "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8).
---Helen_5378 on 8/17/07


No, God does not change, we do.
---Cynthia on 8/16/07


My personal belief is that God does not change, yet it is undeniable that the OT is full of examples of God changing his mind, making mistakes etc. Exegetically, its probable that these examples are simply the way that some of the OT writers saw God..ie., as someone who could be moved by argument.
---Sherry on 8/16/07


The God of the Old Testament, only supported the Israelites. Very few of you are Jewish, and as a Gentile, living 4,000 years ago, God would have been pleased to destroy you and your family and send you all straight to hell. 2,000 years later Jesus spoke of a fatherly God that loves Gentiles and wants no one to perish. Gods attitude toward Gentiles changed. How do you explain this? and be glad your alive now!
---yoshin on 8/16/07




When the Bible speaks of God 'changing' it is an 'ANTHROPOMORPHISM', a human-like trait ascribed to a non-human (in this case God). If He sees all of time simultaneously (and He does) what in the world would cause Him to change? He doesn't change His mind, He changes 'the course of action'.
---Bob on 8/16/07


Yoshin is correct that God can change His mind but only in very rare instances.
There is no evidence that He changes in any other way. In fact the Bible teaches the He is the Same yesterday,today and forever. He does not change or evolve.
---jody on 8/16/07


God's basic nature never changes. He always loves his people and punishes sinners. The prayer of faith can draw God's attention to our needs,whatever they may be, and God will change the outcome for us. Remember, all things God does is to further His kingdom and if our prayers line up with that he does move in our behalf.
---Darlene_1 on 8/16/07


Once again, Dave, Ashes... you are using the Mormon Bible.

JOSEPH SMITH TRANSLATION
AMOS 7: 3
The Lord does not repent, men repent. (compare Amos 7: 3)
3 And the Lord said, concerning Jacob, Jacob shall repent for this, therefore I will not utterly destroy him, saith the Lord.
---Gail on 8/16/07


Yoshin, every time God "changed His mind" in the OT about an aspect of judgment on a people, it was because someone "mediated" or "interceded". Now that He has poured all of His wrath out on Jesus in death and the Risen Christ is the Mediator of a new covenant and ever liveth to make intercession for the saints according to the will of God, there is no need for God to change His mind about anything.
---Linda on 8/16/07


He is in favor of us all and desires that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus, in His death, made intercession for the transgressors. Jesus, in His life, makes intercession for the saints. There is no other mediator between God and man and our intercession is merely agreement with the intercession of Christ and it releases His Kingdom in the earth.
---Linda on 8/16/07


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He is in favor of us all and desires that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus, in His death, made intercession for the transgressors. Jesus, in His life, makes intercession for the saints. There is no other mediator between God and man and our intercession is merely agreement with the intercession of Christ and the release of His Kingdom in the earth.
---Linda on 8/16/07


Explain these verses (and there are more then these two)
Amos 7:3The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.
6The LORD changed His mind about this.
"This too shall not be," said the Lord GOD.
God decided to form a locust swarm, then he changed his mind. Then he was sending a fire, and again he changed his mind (relented).
---yoshin on 8/16/07


You really have to stretch the above passage to say God had foreknowledge that someone would beg him to stop as he was forming locusts and fire so that he could say he changed his mind, which he really cant do anyway because of an attribute of immutability that we assigned to him. It is important for us to use words like Omniscient to describe his character, even though the word does not exist in the Bible.
---yoshin on 8/16/07


No, God doesn't change.
God doesn't move.
So why do we?

Other Virginia, would you mind using an initial with your name. I am the Virginia that believes in repentance.
---Virginia on 8/15/07


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Other Virginia, we are in the New Testament now, not under the law.
At the moment of salvation, all generational curses, sins of the fathers are broken off of your life.
Jesus came to set the captives free.
---Virginia on 8/15/07


I believe God is basically unchanging. However in the old testament there was that saying that the sins of the fathers was passed down to the children. Then in another place God said each man was responsible for just their own sins. Sorry I can't quote the exact verses on this.
---Virginia on 8/15/07


Yoshin-"Everything God created is constantly changing, including you, and this fact should tell you something".

I agree with you on this However, am I to side with you and CALL GOD A LIER (Romans 3:4).

Thus Saith the Lord,

"I am the Lord, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."Malachi 3:6
---Marcia on 8/15/07


Yoshin,


To describe God as changeing is to take part in Character assination of GOD. IT is he who as Created us, not we that have created him. He is Omniscient and knows all things. Who are we to call him a lier. Only the arrogant could attempt at such a thing. And though they attempt, they will be laughed to scorn for the WORD is eternal and you are not.
---Marcia on 8/15/07


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I can give you verses that say God, relented, repented and changed his mind. But I am not arrogant enough to place God in a 2,000 year old box with restrictions by attributes, usually from only one verse and mostly defined by Paul, who by his own admission received the info by dreams and visions.
---yoshin on 8/15/07


Everything God created is constantly changing, including you, and this fact should tell you something. But you know the real problem? You are all scared of a God that has to be growing and expanding faster then the universe that he created. You all want security, image how Gods chosen people felt when he changed his mind opened salvation to everyone.
---yoshin on 8/15/07


Yoshin its amazing when I read the same bible I read that God always honored the repentent heart with forgiveness and even Grace.

The same yesterday, today and forever
Immutable-unchangeable-unable to lie

Try ...just a suggestion reading with the love of God in between the lines instead of with your own bias. That is not intended as a criticism.
---Andrea on 8/15/07


Yoshin- You claim to know the mind of God, you are an ant compared to God. God's ways are not our ways. You are arrogant and know nothing.

I know your type, your an analytical thinker who is a skeptic very much like Thomas was, keep searching beloved-I fear for you because you have a heart hardend with Pride that must be crushed by the Rock. You have a tough road ahead of you.
---Marcia on 8/14/07


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God does not change. He is the same everlasting to everlasting. Everything that has been done on this earth has been according to His plan. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant not a change of Covenants.
---betty8468 on 8/14/07


Theme of Change. God created everything and it was good, then a destroyed almost everything with a flood. He saved people from bondage, wanted to destroy them, changed his mind and did not. He was their King, then he changed his mind and pick Saul, then changed his mind and picked David. This whole time under an everlasting covenant with his chosen people, devising animal sacrifice to appease himself. Then he changed his mind, time for a new convenient, no more animals, now his own Son to appease himself.
---yoshin on 8/14/07


You can also see his evolution in rules for men. He advised Moses of many rules which include severe punishments, mostly stoning, genocide, slavery, captured virgins for soldiers, etc. By the time the New Testament started, he is more loving, love your enemies, help your neighbor, even if they are from a different culture. I see God evolving.
---yoshin on 8/14/07


No. though the world wants to make in change & so do some churches, but he himself never does change.
---candice on 8/14/07


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This is what I find extremely strange that the fundamentalists on here agree that God dosen't change His mind but they will say He abandoned Eden and a paradise earth and is taking all believers to heaven! That is their ultimate goal. By that thinking satan is in control! He told Eve they would be like gods (living in heaven)
---1st_cliff on 8/14/07


No.

God is perfect in Character, so he does not need to change, evolve, or mature. He is Perfect Love, Perfect Peace, Perfect Soverignty, Perfect Holiness, etc.

Also this might confuse some but he is also Perfect Hate. (there are six things he hates, seven is an abomination)

1 Is hands that shed innocent blood.
2 Is discord sown among brethern.
3. A deceitful tongue ( there's not enough room, its in the book of Proverbs)

This is why God is also Perfect Juctice.
---Marcia on 8/14/07


People would love to change God and His rules. We often hear people say "But we live in a modern age" "We have to live in the real world with modern ideas" etc. but God makes it quite clear that He does not change. We accept or reject His teachings but we cannot mould Him in to being what we want Him to be. He does the moulding - not us and it is us that He moulds.
---RitaH on 8/14/07


No, God doesn't change but he does do new things. Sometimes people take the verse " I am the same yesterday, today, and forever" out of context by thinking that God never does anything new.
---john on 8/14/07


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God the father does not change. but man's understanding of him does change, we continue to learn more about is divine nature through his continuing revelations to us.
---notlaw99 on 8/14/07


Jesus is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus is God. Jesus is also the Word.
Ashley Dave, I suggest you read it.
---Gail on 8/14/07


No. He fulfills prophecy in His Son and then reveals and speaks to us through Him.
---Linda on 8/14/07


For I am the Lord, I do not change. Malachi 3:6 With God there is no double-mindedness, no "shadow of turning" (James 1:17) God is a perfect example of consistency. His character does not change.
---robin8683 on 8/14/07


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