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Is It A Sin To Eat Pork

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All things are clean when taken with thanksgiving but nothing should be taken that is an ofense to a brother/sister which may cause them to stumble as this is a sin against Jesus commandment of Love.
---jody on 11/3/07


1tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1tim 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Thanks you Lord. I love ham!

If the rest of you don't like it, that's OK. That means more for me!
---trey on 11/3/07


I would not eat pork due to their anatomy & physiology! They have only one stomach, whereas, the cow has more to digest food more healthy. Pork has too many parasites to be concerned about. Shellfish is not always raised in clean water or processed properly. Cows have antibiotics in them. The best food is fruit and vegetables. I am NOT vegetarian, but my pregnancy MADE me so. My child was, also, a prophetic child. God had something to do with my diet! My food tastes became very healthy.
---Dee on 11/2/07


According to Leviticus 11 it's not okay to eat pork but it's quite all right to eat grasshoppers. Go figure....
---John1944 on 11/2/07


"Thank God and eat pork"?? Reminds me of Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
---Geoff on 11/2/07




Alot of these questions can be answered by reading Scripture for yourself.

Read Acts 10:10-15. That should answer it.
---Adam on 11/2/07


There's no such text that says you can do all things you want at the meetshop.
---djconklin on 11/2/07


Hello. No it is not if U not are a jewish man or woman.
Jesus said:
-U can it all things in the meetshop.
So do not worry. Thank God and eat pork.
Jan.
---Jan on 11/2/07


There are no texts in the Bible that support the idea that the distinction between clean and unclean meat is only for the Jews, nor is there any evidence that the disciples were still making sacrifices after the crucifixion
---djconklin on 11/2/07


SeventhSeal,
Did you just accuse somebody of committing blasphemy just because you think they said something bad about Peter? (9-20-07) I don't think Peter would like that attention. That's why he requested to be crucified upside down... I'm new here. I came here because of a "pork" question from a non-believer at work... There sure is a lot of bickering going on here (vain babbling)... Not that I'm "judging" or anything... lol... :)
Dustoff,
Dusty
---Kevin_Cline on 11/2/07




Lee: Hello!

Will you please answer one simple question? If the Levitical dietary laws came into existence at the time of Moses, as you assert, then how is it that Noah knew to distinguish between clean and unclean animals hundreds of years earlier? There must be an answer to this question if your anti-Biblical statements are correct!

The notion that Noah ate unclean animals is quite silly. If even one unclean animal were killed on the ark, then that "kind" would become extinct.
---jerry6593 on 10/2/07


The commandment to not eat pork and shellfish applies only to Jews or those who chose to take on that law. It does not apply to gentiles or Christians. It is not a stretch to believe that Paul, Peter and especially James obeyed the Mosaic laws even after the Crucifixion. They are still offering sacrifices. cont..
---Tony on 9/28/07


cont.. Regarding Noah, he is a gentile and so when G-d tells him he can eat meat he is allowed to eat clean and unclean meat. Additionally, the law to eat only certain animals has nothing to do with their being scavengers.. Is a horse a scavenger? It is a great theory though and does have practical application. cont..
---Tony on 9/28/07


Regarding Peter's vision, I realize at first glance it may appear that he is being told to eat unclean meat. I believe that it is telling him to be a light to the gentiles. In other words, change your attitude Peter. Paul even says that you should not do anything that might cause your brother to stumble. That might include eating unclean meat in front of him.. no? cont..
---Tony on 9/28/07


cont.. I mean, if we are honest, Acts 15 says what is appropriate for a gentile believer. Don't eat meat offered up to idolatry. Paul then later dismisses this decision from the other apostles.. Apostles who walked with Jesus.... Walked with Jesus... Kept the commandments that Jesus says he was not here to do away with...
---Tony on 9/28/07


Geoff,

Did you READ the first part? Doubt it. It means "keep company" or visit goyim, once considered unclean by Jews.

The three times "kill and eat" refers to animals Peter knew to be unclean.lowered from heaven on a "canvass blanket"

Because goyim ate animals "common and unclean" they were also unclean.

The whole passage says NEITHER people NOR animals are unclean. Eating "unclean" animals is now OK.

Get it??
---John_T on 9/28/07


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John_T, you're almost there. You miss the message if you are ultra-literal. Either Acts 10:28 is totally unrelated to Acts 10:14 so that one place God is talking about men and the other about meat OR they are both in the same context. Which is it? Seems you are so unwilling to accept the latter that you resort to cannibalism rather than accept the clear interpretation of the vision.
---Geoff on 9/27/07


Rom 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.



but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
---Andrea on 9/26/07


Geoff, are you promoting cannibalism with your partial quote? Should Peter have killed and eaten (3 times) men?

Look at the entire quote, and do not ever say I misquote when you clearly did it here:

Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Wow! That sure is a whopper you just posted!
---John_T on 9/26/07


John_T, you request "CONTEXT." Then you refuse to read Acts 10 beyond v16. Why so tunnel-visioned? Acts 10:28b is part of the context (note & compare the wording with v14b):

God hath shewed me that I should not call any MAN common or unclean. v28b

I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. v14b
---Geoff on 9/26/07


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No, the bible says, "Whatever goes into a man does not difile him (what he eats), but what comes out of him defiles him", because out of a man comes evil thoughts, immmoraliy, drunkennesss, you name it
---Peter_Mafohla on 9/24/07


Seventh seal,

The words I speak come from God. Please read the scriptures. I just shared what is in scripture. Therefore, you are not calling me a liar.

Please note: you cannot be saved by works of the law.
---Chris on 9/24/07


Chris: You perpetuate a common error.

Why would God prohibit eating scavengers and bottom dwellers in the Old Testament and then let people eat them and catch disease in the New?
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07


It is not what goes in the body that defiles it. Pork is no longer prohibited in the New Testament, unless it is consumed without faith. If a persons conscience tells them it is wrong they sin if they eat.

However, do not eat pork around a weaker Christian because you could cause them to stumble in this manner.
---Chris on 9/24/07


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t seems logical to me that God would not provide such an elaborate categorization in Leviticus 11 of those animals which are clean vs. unclean unless the distinction had some basis in physical reality. Many of the animals labeled as "unclean" are primarily scavengers. They do not have the kind of multiple digestive system that the cud-chewers do, so the poisons that they consume go directly into their flesh
---Christian on 9/23/07


"your judging by foods and sabbaths - can you not see the legalism in that."

Legalism is the attempt to earn salvation by one's own works. Breaking the Sabbath command is a sin--to warn others and teach them about the meaning of the Sabbath isn't legalism. No more there than when one teaches people that the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" includes a condemnation of racism--is that legalism?
---djconklin on 9/22/07


Lee:

Will you please answer one simple question? If the Levitical dietary laws came into existence at the time of Moses, as you assert, then how is it that Noah knew to distinguish between clean and unclean animals hundreds of years earlier? There must be an answer to this question if your anti-Biblical statements are correct!
---jerry6593 on 9/22/07


John T & Andrea:

It was many years after Christ's death on the cross when Peter declared that he had never eaten anything unclean, and seemed aghast at the very thought of it. If Jesus had abrogated this dietary restriction, as you allege, why hadn't Peter gotten the word in all those years? Surely, a change in a nation's universal law should be common knowlege. Besides, Peter clearly defined (Act 10:28) the context of the vision as refering to MEN - not food.
---jerry6593 on 9/22/07


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Andrea: Law of sin and death is not Ten C's..you say it is..LOS n Death is the authority excercised by sin n ending in death. Sin's no longer the predomination n controlling influence in ones life.The indwelling spirit of life inspires obedience and gives power to mortify the deeds of the body V13. Thus the law of the spirit of life works directly contrary 2 the law of sin n death in the members empowering the believer to overcome sins destroying influence n freeing him from sins bondage n condemnation.
---jana on 9/21/07


your judging by foods and sabbaths - can you not see the legalism in that.

I mean really if you want to observe your way fine but, you actually do not see that it is wrong to judge another person's spiritual life????????
---Andrea on 9/21/07


*You commit Blasphemy denying His Word & eating the Swine and the Abomination.*

Your problem is with the Word of God since

1) Jesus declared all foods acceptable Mark 7

2) we are not to judge others as to what they eat -

Romans 14:3 Let not him who eats certain food look down upon him who abstains from it, nor him who abstains from it find fault with him who eats it, for God has received both of them.

Pls stop accusing Christians of being evil people. Mt. 7:3
---Lee on 9/21/07


Angrya: Rom 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death"

YES! Law Required Death of Sinners but Christ freed me from the PENALTY of Law! He did not free me from obligation to Keep His Commandments, Just the Penalty of the Law. If you have "Spirit of Life in Jesus Christ" you can Keep His Commandments because suddenly they are not grievious

He Created all 10 and I Keep them by His Spirit. Don't deny them.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07


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observee: You commit Blasphemy denying His Word and eating the Swine and the Abomination.

Isa66:17 "They that [set themselves apart]...eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD"

(((shaking my head)))
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07


jana
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

ministers of the NT preach life, of the OT preach death bc there is no life in them (no Spirit of a living God) only dead works(law)
---Andrea on 9/21/07


Mk 7:18-19 Jesus said to them, Dont you understand? Dont you know that whatever goes into a person from the outside cant make him unclean? It doesnt go into his thoughts but into his stomach and then into a toilet. (By saying this, Jesus declared all foods acceptable.)

Jerry it is rather obvious for SDAs Ellen White supersedes the Word of God. Anybody that is a Christian familiar with the Bible knows that it is not what goes into ones mouth that makes one unclean but rather what comes out.
---Lee on 9/21/07


Andrea: There are none so blind as those who will not see! It was many years after Christ's death on the cross when Peter declared that he had never eaten anything unclean, and seemed aghast at the very thought of it. If Jesus had abrogated this dietary restriction, as you allege, why hadn't Peter gotten the word in all those years? Surely, a change in a nation's universal law should be common knowlege. Besides, Peter clearly defined (Act 10:28) the context of the vision as refering to MEN - not food.
---jerry6593 on 9/21/07


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Andrea: Can you explain from the bible what the Law of Sin and Death is and which law is this?
---jana on 9/21/07


"No, actually I am hoping that you blind SDAS can see the truth, and not hide behind EGWs errors"

I have looked at these alleged errors. So far the critics are down 72 to zip.
---djconklin on 9/20/07


Seventh, in your post you called Scripture blasphemy because God's command to eat unclean meat THREE TIMES is against yours and Ellen's belief system.

(((Shaking my head)))
---Observer on 9/20/07


your the one that judges people for eating pork
---Andrea on 9/20/07


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Duane: Read all Rom14 and 1Cor8:8-12. Context is Judging. Gentiles coming to Church from paganism offended because Jew-Christians ate food sacrificed to Idols. Some Gentiles fearful of eating meat resold after offered to idols ate only veggies. Jew-Christians judged Gentiles because they had no regard for ceremonial days stil kept from Judaism. Food offered to idols was not unclean food Acts14:13, but merely Esteemed so by Gentiles. Texts have zero to do with Moral 7thDay Command or levitical unclean food
---SeventhSeal on 9/20/07


Andrea: I can not believe you just judged Saint Peter of committing Sin because he refused to eat your pig burger! Blasphemous.
---SeventhSeal on 9/20/07


Paul said,As long as its not sacrificed unto idols its ok!
I know at one time it was'nt allowed for the isrealites.
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


Peter's refusal to eat was self-righteous disobedience. Food was not used simply as a metaphor it was a legal requirement. A requirement he was no longer bound by but was denying the work of the cross by keeping.
EAT PETER what the Lord has made clean is clean

If you don't want it ok- but don't judge others by days or foods
its carnal - just carnal -

you should learn to sit under the teaching of the Holy Spirit - He can free you from the law of sin and death
---Andrea on 9/19/07


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` Geoff: John_T thinks if he writes it bigger it will change the meaning- LOL!!!---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07

No, actually I am hoping that you blind SDAS can see the truth, and not hide behind EGWs errors


Your spiritual blindness is nothing to laugh at.
---John_T on 9/19/07


Geoff: John_T thinks if he writes it bigger it will change the meaning- LOL!!!
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07


dena: Why did Peter Refuse to Kill and Eat?

You dont eat Men and you dont eat unclean things and you dont equate them either.

Geoff gave you the bible answer right from Scripture in Acts 10:28

Peter refused and yet he lived. Why did he refuse, if you are so sure you are right? Can a man, an Apostle no less, disobey God to His face and live? Please re-evaluate your position.
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07


Jesus fullfilled the old testiment. Jesus said it is not what enters the body that is unclean but what leaves the body as a result that makes us unclean. Don't declare what God created to be unclean. if you declare something unclean for yourself then it is unclean for yourself. alchol is unclean for an alcholic not because its unclean but the sin that happens as a result of consuming it.
---kenneth on 9/19/07


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`

Context, Geoff, CONTEXT


13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, KILL AND EAT. 14 Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16

This was done thrice:


The emphasis is on eating, not equality.
---John_T on 9/19/07


Lee: Hello! Lee! Are you there?

Will you please answer one simple question? If the Levitical dietary laws came into existence at the time of Moses, as you assert, then how is it that Noah knew to distinguish between clean and unclean animals hundreds of years earlier? There must be an answer to this question if your anti-Biblical statement is correct!
---jerry6593 on 9/19/07


John_T, you ask why God repeated "What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common" 3 times-Acts 10:13-16. Answer: for emphasis (it was very important) and for attention-Jn 21:15-17. What did God mean by "cleansed" & "common." Certainly NOT unclean animals. Don't miss the Bible answer.

Acts 10:28
---Geoff on 9/19/07


John_T, don't miss the Bible answer.

Acts 10:28
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
---Geoff on 9/19/07


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Peter refused to eat Pig and the abomination and God did not chastise him for it.

That is only if you use (un)Clear Word edition.

Why did need to repeat himself THREE TIMES if Peter answered "correctly", as you wrongly allege?

Please count the times God said "Kill and eat"

You let Ellen interpret what the common sense reading says.

PLEASE READ SCRIPTURE, NOT ELLEN
---John_T on 9/18/07




In case you did not know, Mary G is the alter moniker of Pierre.

He switches sometimes to go either pro or anti SDA to give us all a run for our money.
---Observer on 9/18/07


Gary - isn't it amazing how they twist scripture!

thats Ellen white
---Andrea on 9/18/07


Seventh,

Yes to Jews pigs were disgusting, but I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the verse you referred to.

Please read both: Acts 10:13-14 A voice came to him, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!" 14 But Peter said, "By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean."

If God was saying it was wrong to eat pig why did He say, "Get up, Peter, kill and eat!"? God was not telling him to kill and eat people.
---denna7667 on 9/18/07


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It is interesting that despite Peter's visions and his visit to Cornelius (Acts 10), that he continued to have problems associating with Gentiles. Paul had to rebuke him for his behavior at Antioch when he separated himself from Gentile converts (Gal. 2).

Apparently, the Jewish sector of the early church stongly adhered to Mosaic laws (dietary laws,sabbath keeping, etc.) considering Gentiles a source of defilement, despite the decisions of the Jerusalem council. Acts 15
---Lee on 9/18/07


Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Sorry SeventhSeal, while your beliefs regarding foods are based upon the writings of Ellen White, we believe in the plain meaning of Scripture and do not sin by what we eat.
---Lee on 9/18/07


Gary: Nope. Peter refused to eat Pig and the abomination and God did not chastize him for it.

Jews equated Gentiles as being filthy maggots. Peter declared the meaning of the Vision was that "No Man" should be considered a filthy maggot "Unclean".

It did not mean that it was now OK to eat Gentiles or maggots. Pigs are clearly good creatures of God meant as garbage disposals but not good for food. God is not arbitrary but intelligent in what He forbids.
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07


"Peter was told by God to eat a pig in the Book of Acts."

God did say any such thing to Peter. Re-read Acts 10.

""What I have cleaned, you don't call unclean.""

The last word is wrong, see verse 15.
---djconklin on 9/18/07


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"Some Bible scholars say this was Peter's call to ministry amongst the Gentiles, so it may have just been unclean for the Jews."

The first part is correct. The dream was used as an example of what his relationship to the Gentiles should be (the Jews by association with the Gentiles are the "common," while the Gentiles are called "unclean."). It still maters who eats what--the unclean are unclean for very good reasons--they tend to be garbage eaters.
---djconklin on 9/18/07


Andrea: I hope you do not get trichinosis or cycsts. But if you do it is because you refused to heed the warning.

Lee: In the garden "every herb" was given for meat. It was not until after the Flood that Clean Animals were allowed. Why Pairs of 7 Clean and only 2 unclean male/female?

6 of the 7 clean pairs could be for food since the flood had destroyed the vegetation. Eat 1 of the 2 unclean and they go extinct...and thus nothing good left to clean up your garbage.
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07


I don't think it's sinful to eat either of these.
Peter was told by God to eat a pig in the Book of Acts. When Peter replied that he couldn't eat "unclean meat," God said, "What I have cleaned, you don't call unclean."
Some Bible scholars say this was Peter's call to ministry amongst the Gentiles, so it may have just been unclean for the Jews.
---Gary on 9/18/07


We had pork chops cooked on the grill with fresh jersey white corn and tomatoes.
Oh yes and we cooked enough for left overs tomorrow.
---Andrea on 9/17/07


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Lee & Andrea, how do you answer Jerry's Q: If Levitical dietary laws were given only to Moses, how did Noah obey God's command?

I tried to post an answer previously but it was not posted.

Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible and merely noted the clean & unclean animals that entered Noah's ark. Howbeit we see no restrictions on food types until the time of Moses. In fact, Genesis 9:3 tells us that man could originally eat any meats.
---Lee on 9/17/07


I trust you are capable of sincere and truthful, biblical answers.
---Geoff on 9/17/07
Is it necessary to disparage a person every time you ask a question, I have not lied to you and I don't appreciate your inferences.


Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
---Andrea on 9/17/07


andre: If you are weak in the faith you may eateth the herbs consecrated to idols rather than the meats. I'll stick with what God deemed clean and will avoid the disease laden bottom dweller and garbage disposals that God created as good for cleaning up the dead. Good creatures not intended for food.

Your quote in Romans is out of context.

How blind you have to be to Pray over a plate maggots and call it good.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07


Lee & Andrea, how do you answer Jerry's Q: If Levitical dietary laws were given only to Moses, how did Noah obey God's command?

Genesis 7:2 (7:8, 8:20)
Of every CLEAN beast thou shalt take to thee by SEVENS, the male and his female: and of beasts that are NOT CLEAN by TWO, the male and his female.

I trust you are capable of sincere and truthful, biblical answers.
---Geoff on 9/17/07


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Gross! What was I actually eating!
---djconklin on 9/17/07
I see the newest rage in televangelists is a new diet and exercise program.
They are all very correct about caring for our temples. it still doesn't make it scripture. you are clearly judging and being judged by the weak and beggardly elements of this world.
---Andrea on 9/17/07


dj - While pigs may eat all kinds of junk, anyone that has observed animals will tell you that other creatures do the same thing.

Our SDA neighbor used to pitch the Levitical dietary law that one could eat only fish with scales, but my father pointed out to him that the carps (a fish with scales) in the local river always waited by the town sewer for someone to flush the tiolet.

Frankly, SDA dietary laws are simply idiotic.
---Lee on 9/17/07


Found this on the web:

"A pig is a real garbage gut. It will eat anything including urine, excrement, dirt, decaying animal flesh, maggots, or decaying vegetables. They will even eat the cancerous growths off other pigs or animals.

The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef or venison."

Gross! What was I actually eating!
---djconklin on 9/17/07


See Isaiah 66: 15-17
---richard on 9/17/07


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To quote the Apostle Paul:
Ac 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

The Gentiles were never under the written Jewish law.
---trey on 9/15/07


Under the New Covenent, nothing is unclean to us. All things are to be eaten with thanksgiving.
---litla on 9/15/07


From the book Plant Roots:

Tests in strength and endurance by a doctor in Paris showed that vegetarians have two to three times greater stamina than meat-eaters and require only one-fifth as much time to recover from exertion.
---djconklin on 9/15/07


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