however itis a hot iron, yet the bble does not forbid such practices. i would never be able to be a surogate, or in my case a sperm donor, however the bible does not forbid it so if one feels convinced it is his/her christian duty... |
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---Andy3996 on 3/18/10 |
People are frail and unsure in all their ways, GOD is NOT!!!
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why those who do not have Gods Truth cannot see lessons through Abraham and Sarah - punishment of children WITHOUT Gods blessing
frail determine HOW they their lives APART from God and being UNSURE IN all their ways causes them to seek MAN for answers
those who follow The Father in Heaven ARE SURE his ways are higher and True Christians would never seek out manipulative man made science playing god to please their unsure ways
religious christianity may call it Gods "will" True Christians understand difference between living for God and the WORLD and seeking payment for services rendered in child manufacturing |
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---Rhonda on 3/13/10 |
Wow...This is heated. I just want to say to the original post..Good luck! I am a Pastors, wife and stay at home mom of 3. I have just completed my screening in LA and will be matched this week as a GC. I am thrilled and feel no moral qualm whatsoever. My God is loving and compassionate towards His children. I can't wait to play a part in helping a family have a child. I know you expected to get the kind of feedback you did and that is why you posted but my advice is listen to no one but God. People are frail and unsure in all their ways, GOD is NOT!!! |
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---Melissa on 3/10/10 |
It's Gods will?
How?
You are being PAID to carry someone else's child how is this Gods will?
With thousands of children born to teenage mothers who often give child up for adoption and thousands of children in orphanages across USA it is sad that childless couples are so self absorbed preferring medical science as breeding rather than opening their hearts to unwanted and unloved children who exist today
the WORLD and religious christianity love its god and medical science
True Christians know those who play god using surrogates are simply the stepping stone to cloning and pure evil |
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---Rhonda on 2/25/10 |
This looks like just what I need. I am always helping others(very involved at church, school,homes,ect.) I now need a friend who can talk surrogacy. I am ready to enter an application to a 2nd Surrogacy Agency as I have not been chosen in the the last 12 mo. (Becauce? I have no insurance as I've been a healthy natralist.?).I long to talk to GSs and find a Christain couple to be a GS for. I'm a Fundemental,Indapendent, Biblebelieving Baptist. I'm 32yrs.of age, Married 12yrs. w/ four (and no more) children(ages 10,8,7,4).I'm Pro-life (this cuts my chances perhaps, but to exspect one to allow murder in a situation that one is to be a "life-giver" is corrupt thinking.) |
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---Irene_COOPER on 2/18/10 |
Rachel -- Could be that those who recommend adoption don't consider it themselves because they accept their own childlessness or are satisfied with the family that they already have. |
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---Donna66 on 2/2/10 |
When someone cannot have children, the first solution people like to offer out is adoption. Most of these people who offer out the adoption have never considered adoption for their own families. I've always wondered why. You know... since they think its such a great idea and all. |
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---Rachel on 1/30/10 |
Momma to Olivia. I am not judging you but rather expressing my thoughts. People who want babies are not bad. My point was just a thought about the condition of this world. I agree with Tiffany that adoption might be a good plan as well. There are sooo many poor orphans who need loving parents. Do what you will regarding continuing your blood line through surrgoting and I do understand your pain. I do not think it is a sin or bad in any way. I just hope you seek your solutions prayerfully and consider all ramifications. Sometimes we become so preoccupied with our goals that we miss the big picture and that was my only purpose in my response. Children are truly a blessing and I do hope for the very best in your endeavors in this area. |
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---jody on 1/27/10 |
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I really like this website and love the quizzes to spur me on to further my walk with Christ. It makes me sad when people put replies on the discussions that are negative and unkind. Everyone has an opinion and hopefully it is backed up with Scripture.
It is not enough to simply put a sentance or papargraph with opinions with no references or facts to back them up.
Please share the truth in love and add information about where you have found these answers.
Why don't more Christians consider adoption -taking care of orphans as the Bible exhorts? There are many ways to obtain finiancial help. Please pray on this. |
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---tiffany on 1/23/10 |
jody... clearly you've never had problems with pregnancy or know the pain and heartache of struggling to get pregnant, getting pregnant, the loss of a baby, etc. clearly you haven't or you'd never call us selfish.
do you have a clue what its like to have these hurts? we are commanded by our heavenly Father not to judge. you sound slightly judgmental. and with me being one of these lovely young women who DESIRE a family of their own, i take offense. |
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---Momma_to_Olivia on 1/23/10 |
Actually, I can't understand why a believer would go to such lengths to have children in these times. What is the motivation? Certainly with the sin increasing and all of the obvious signs that the end is near, a couple could choose to work for God right now and spare a young life to deal with this deteriorating world. It won't be long before we will be under persecution as Christians in the United States. Isn't it a bit idealistic to desire a perfect little family or even selfish? If God didn't create you to have children don't you think He may have something else in mind? |
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---jody on 1/18/10 |
Hello,
I am currently working with a surrogate agency in San Diego trying to become a surrogate. The more I learn about this agency the more I would like to find a christian agency. Do you know of any christian surrogate agencies in the southern California area?
Thank you,
Carrie |
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---Carrie on 1/17/10 |
I am a Christian, my husbands girlfriend, my childrens mother, and a gestational surrogate mother. I can begin to see the issue some of you have with a woman taking a mans, besides her husband, into her body. The one question I have to those of you who consider this unnatural and infertility God's will...would you have treatment to save your life if you had cancer? Shouldn't there then be an argument that the condition of cancer is God's will and therefore shoud be left to run it's course? |
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---Jessica on 10/27/09 |
it's really amazing to me how christians are SO against surrogacy. Many of the posts compare to Abraham and Hagar. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see any posts on here asking if adultery was okay! Have you ever thought that maybe surrogates are being USED by God to complete His work? There are over 400,000 frozen embryo's and when a woman chooses to become a surrogate, she just may end up helping save one of those embryo's from being destroyed. (this isn't always the case as most times a surrogate ends up carrying the father's biological child) If a woman feels strongly about this, as I am, there is NO biblical reason why she should feel guilty or belittled by choosing to become a surrogate. |
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---tiffany on 6/2/09 |
You should know that the bible speaks about spiritual union in marriage that is a mystery how the two become one flesh. How will a woman of God have another man's sperm other than her husband artificially inseminated into her members to facilitate another man's child that is shear slackness.
The babies of these tests are hardly of mature age to be able to speak about the incecurities of these types of unions I should know I know one of the first test tube babies and he is not that old to even make decisions of mature natures himself, never mind people going into these conditions with their eyes shut. |
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---Carla3939 on 4/15/09 |
My friend...We all have our agonies. Still, we remain faithful until the end. Doing God's will, is where it's at. Not having babies. You must wait on God! |
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---catherine on 4/14/09 |
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Those of you who are so upset about a woman wanting to be a surrogate have never experienced the agony of infertility. It's a grief you will never understand and neither will I...but God does. Those who use the Isaac/Ishmael story to debate surrogacy, have obviously not read the whole passage.
Saying that the reason certain couples aren't able to have children is because God thinks they're not ready or capable to is ridiculous. Physical issues are a part of being human. It's like saying people get sick and die because of sins they've committed. Even though we Christians have been saved, we will always be human and have to deal with the issues that go with it.
Miracles happen in many forms. Who are you to say what God intends? |
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---Sarah on 4/14/09 |
Im a christan mom and am thinking about becoming a surrogate mom, one not biologicaly mine. how is this going for you? how do people around you resond? And what company are you using? Thank You |
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---Jessica on 4/6/09 |
Knowing the difference between right from wrong is hard for those who do not know the written word but when you know the word you understand how through the word what to judge righteously, knowing his word on faith, Hope prayer/fasting,sacrifice, fornication, Adultery, healing and Love. You know/understand what is Gods perfect will for your life according to His riches in Glory.
Not everything is permissible for a ''Christian'' although to the world most things are possible we should not be bought under the power of any! |
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---Carla3939 on 3/2/09 |
I spent about 20 years suffering from infertility before I finally realized: I was not fit to be a mother and God did both me and any potential children the favor of our lives by not letting me have any. Doesn't mean I hate children--of course not. I just know that I'm not psychologically able to raise children. But for those who are still trying, it's mighty painful, made all the more painful by those who are judging the ways they attempt to get pregnant. |
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---Mary on 2/28/09 |
It is very interesting that even professed christians can contort themselves to do what is wrong, immoral and Godless. |
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---Janze on 2/27/09 |
I cannot make a judgement regarding surgotting but my gut response is that there are so many unloved and forgotten children that my first response would be to adopt the existing unfortunates:). Best of everything to you:) |
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---jody on 2/25/09 |
God allows sunshine on the just/unjust and rain likewise. Charity is loving regardless of living right because God loved you, and your saved don't mean you look down on others not everyone chooses their circumstances even people on welfare.
They are who Christ came to die for , their not loosers scruffs or lower class their people blinded by their circumstance and ulimately the |Devil.
Without the Wealfare State whether used by the needy or greedy more innocent children children die of hunger and if it pleases God that a whole family is fed and only one gets saved all belong to God we are all his. |
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---carla3939 on 2/25/09 |
Carla3939:
The Bible extols the blessings of having many children. However, I don't recall it ever speaking about the economic issues involved.
While God can open or close a woman's womb, it's up to her to decide what to do with it. A child can come from a married couple, or a prostitute, or a rape victim - not all God's ideals, but the result of human choices, and it is we humans who ultimately have to take responsibility for those choices.
whether it's taxpayers or friends and relatives who are forced to take care of children, the fact remains that some people are forced to care for someone else's children - the parents made a choice, and are forcing others who had no say in the matter to live by that choice. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/24/09 |
*sorry* I mean God can also stop a woman from having a child but it is his pleasure to allow us to be fruitful,but sadly in some cases women are unable through no fault of their own but who knows what the issues are? Only the Lord alone gives blessings and we can only Hope and Pray, ask and and wait upon him. |
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---Carla3939 on 2/24/09 |
1) Parents take responsibility for their own children, so the rich can afford them, while the poor can't - this makes having children a privilege of the rich, rather than a right for all.
Your statement is biblically incorrect, It is god that blesses the womb and him also that makes barren, however man can with knowledge bring about the birth of a child in doing so death of other siblings are eminent Is that Godly?
2) Parents don't take responsibility for their own children - and society must pick up the slack. In this case, people can breed like rabbits, and force everyone else to pay for them
That's what is called the Welfare State, Charity....
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---Carla3939 on 2/24/09 |
frances008:
Unfortunately, due to the imperfect nature of our world, one is left with two possible extremes:
1) Parents take responsibility for their own children, so the rich can afford them, while the poor can't - this makes having children a privilege of the rich, rather than a right for all.
or
2) Parents don't take responsibility for their own children - and society must pick up the slack. In this case, people can breed like rabbits, and force everyone else to pay for them whether they want to or not (the octuplets in California are a recent example of this).
Both extremes are bad. Unfortunately, the happy medium between them still contains some of the bad elements of both. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/24/09 |
Although I earlier thought it was unselfish to want to give a child to those who do not have one....it must be suggested that the child becomes possible only to those rich, or lucky enough to find a surrogate. This passing of chldren through various hands, strikes me as somehow making children into products. There are many children in the world who are left parentless, why cannot some of these be adopted. Of course the government does not allow everyone to adopt. But maybe there is some sense in it, and those not suitable are getting around the law this way. I don't think children should be given to gay couples, or to criminals who would traffic them. Is there any oversight on surrogacy? my guess is No. Can't say all I want to in 125wds. |
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---frances008 on 2/23/09 |
Carla3939:
There seems to be a tendency among Christians to be killjoys - that is, if Old Testament laws are more restrictive, but the New Testament grants freedom, many prefer the Old Testament restrictions, while at the very same time, if the Old Testament granted freedoms not seen in the New Testament, they forbid those (even if the New Testament did not explicitly do so). They choose the worst of both worlds.
Betty. I said they were initially barren. But regardless, they had children by multiple women. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/23/09 |
Strongaxe,
Did it ever occur to you that we do not live in the O/T and those days have long Gone and Christ fulfilled the Law that we now have life in him our well being hope and strength, futility, health, breath, our Everything comes from God not the WORLD!
we are to be separate, coming out from amongst their ways and traditions their way of thinking and lifestyles should not be ours, we are there to show them the light they have no light to share with us.
So what are saying? |
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---Carla3939 on 2/22/09 |
strongaxe- Abraham had problems. He gave his wife a child by another woman, and it was wrong. The God of heaven gave Sarah a child by her husband. His name was Issac. Rebecca was Issac's wife. Their son was Jacob. What Bible are you reading? Neither have I ever read that Rebecca and Leah were barren. |
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---Betty on 2/22/09 |
Betty:
Perhaps you have forgotten several cases in the Old Testament among the patriarchs, where there wives were initially barren, so they had children by their wives' handmaidens? Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all come to mind. |
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---StrongAxe on 2/21/09 |
God would never get a woman to carry a child in her womb for another couple. God created men and women and gave them the ability to have children. Those who cannot have children have been judged by God not to have them. People should not interfere with God's will, lest He send a curse upon them. People who want to be surrogate mothers are seeking attention, shock waves, and money. If God meant for childess couples to have their own children, He is able to provide them with one if they repent & pray to God without ceasing. Sarah was very old before her prayers for a child were answered. Childless couples could try adopting. |
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---Betty on 2/20/09 |
It is Gods will that if You feel srry for a childless couple that you have your own with your husbands consent and give the child to them. preferably without asking anything in return.
Don't pervert the use of your womb like a selling space, the other couple should rightly be born again Christians and be in such a situation whereby they cannot adopt or foster or your fooling yourselves if you think surrogacy is Godly, these people are childless barren by God! |
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---Carla3939 on 2/20/09 |
Gracae & Peace! Thank you for your testimony! I am a wife of 16 years to a loving Christian man. We have prayed for a Christian woman to carry our baby. I believe that you have given me clarity as to what GOD wants us to do. God bless you and your family.I am going to start my search for a surrogate. To GOD be the glory. |
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---Sheffey on 2/19/09 |
I think what you are doing is a great gift to others and wonderful service to the Lord! I am house wife and mom, and all though I haven't had the oppurtunity to carry someone elses child, it is definatly something to pray about. I was wondering if you could help me find more info on specificly being a gestational surrogate to other christian families, or recommend an agency. Thank you and God bless your ministry from the womb! |
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---Amanda on 2/11/09 |
Hi. I also have laid on my heart to become a surrogate. I am looking for an agency, preferably Christian. Do you know of any? |
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---Kimber on 2/5/09 |
I am a christian mom looking at becoming a surragate. I also feel that i am being called to do this. I would like to know how it is going for you and how you did it. |
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---amber on 9/19/08 |
I don't believe in it.
There are so many orphans that need a home. I see it as a manmade way to force your way, for something that may never have been God's will in the first place.
But rather than give a homeless child a home, you go and make one in a lab.
Remember Sarah and Haggar, it really didn't go so smoothly. It created problems up until today. |
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---Brad on 8/3/08 |
Sabrina: I totally understand your desire to minister to a childless couple. I think it is awesome that you are willing to endure 9 months of pregnancy to allow another couple's child to develop inside of you. I know that is something I was never emotionally capable of. I pray that you will be strong throughout and that the baby will be born healthy and that you are able to part with the child without too much emoiotal pain. |
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---Trish9863 on 8/19/07 |
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Mark H: #1, I am NOT Donna--I am Mary, plain and simple. #2, I thought your reply was very unkind--very rude indeed. Our goal is not to bash people on these blogs, yet sometimes it happens. I'm sorry if I (MARY!) have bored you to tears with my story! |
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---Mary on 8/18/07 |
Lisa: you too, think I'm Donna? Why on earth have two people so far accused me (or rather, poor Donna!) of using a phony name? I don't get it, sorry. |
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---Mary on 8/18/07 |
I would not condmen anyone who chose this method to have a child.
However--if someone were to step out from behind a bush and ask me what I thought, I'd have to advise against it.
Remember, Abraham and Sarah had a surrogate mother arrangement with Hagar--and look at all the trouble it has caused and is STILL causing. |
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---Jack on 8/17/07 |
Hi, I see both your points, Brad and Rita, makes sense to me, actually. I just am coming at it from the viewpoint of once doing anything I conceivably (pardon the pun!) could to get pregnant. I have wept so many times with those who wept, so I can understand their pain too. |
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---Mary on 8/17/07 |
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"No, I shouldn't have done it, but I think at least God understood my pain--and any woman's or man's."
Donna, maybe it was not God's will for you to have children. Maybe you need to grow, mature into full adulthood, and it simply was not a part of the plan. I think that's what gives some of us a pinch, is the immaturity in your answers. |
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---LisaB on 8/17/07 |
I cannot believe it. This woman is literally sacrificing her life for the benefit of others and 2 of you have the nerve to criticize(sp?) and condemn her. How Godlike is that?! Dear Lady, I wish you God's blessings! I have not been in your shoes but I'm sure God is smiling down on you for what you are doing!!! |
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---betty8468 on 8/17/07 |
There is nothing in the bible regarding surrogacy. This child I will carry has no biological genes/DNA, of mine but of the parents. Why is it you use a story in the Bible where Sarah allowed her husband to commit adultery with another woman to conceive a child. Something totally different. Because there is nothing of the subject how does it make it wrong? |
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---Sabrina on 8/17/07 |
Yes, Donna Mary, we've all heard that story about 7 times.
We know what you did, and how you cried for three years and finally you were able to get a grip.
The thing is, Donna, when you announce that you've left (which you haven't been gone a day), and immediately come back as three or four more names, don't you get a check about not telling the truth about it? Use other names, but don't deny it. I remember when you were going to Alaska, but your flight must have been cancelled. |
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---Mark_H. on 8/17/07 |
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I agree with Brad. A child should be the result of one man and one woman married for life. God will not disown children born in other circumstances, in fact He has (down the centuries) greatly used children born in ways that were not HIS ways but He has given us rules that we are meant to live by, especially once we become Christians. |
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---RitaH on 8/17/07 |
Somehow, Brad, I doubt you've experienced an infertile womb! Or the desire to help. I have finally accepted and am happy about never having a child, but that took many many years of tears, to the point where I looked for sperm online! No, I shouldn't have done it, but I think at least God understood my pain--and any woman's or man's. |
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---Mary on 8/16/07 |
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