Out Of Wedlocks Go To Heaven
Yesterday while witnessing a lady told me, no! I cannot go to heaven because I've had two children out of wedlock. Background was very Pentecoastal she said. Please give your opinion of a statement of this nature.
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---Mima on 8/20/07
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The woman is presuming that you have not repented of that sin, but if you have repented of that sin, then there is no longer any condemnation of that sin. And since the women does not know your life, she is unqualified to judge your life. |
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---Eloy on 11/1/09 |
Alan, you are right. Whomever taught her to believe that is the one who attempted the discrediting. As to your question, I'm not sure why this is so, but I wish they'd cut it out.
Mima, I'm glad the mother prayed with you. Her friend may not have prayed at that exact moment, but you have planted a seed and I'm confident that both of them (and the woman's children) are one step closer to Him because of how you allowed Him to work through you. |
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---AlwaysOn on 11/2/09 |
Reviving this blog jogged my memory. As I remember this lady's parents had told her that she was going to hell because of having these children out of wedlock. After witnessing to her a few moments(she had just rolled down her window and had stayed seated in a car) she did pray with me and ask for her salvation. The man who was with her did not pray with me, in fact turned me down.
This witnessing came about because my friend and I were giving away popcorn in a public park. And she had stopped to get her children some popcorn. |
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---mima on 11/1/09 |
AlwaysOn ... The person who "just discredited the sacrifice that the Messiah made on our behalf" was not this mother, but whoever told her that "she is not forgiven by the cross"
Why is sexual sin treated by so many Christians as the great unforgiveable? God does not grade sin. |
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---alan8566_of_uk on 11/1/09 |
My opinion is that this woman just discredited the sacrifice that the Messiah made on our behalf. She is essentially saying that she is not forgiven by the cross. I wonder what her response would be if asked, "So, then, our Savior died in vain? He didn't "really" save us after all?"
I hope you offered her the truth and I pray that her heart is open to receiving it. It is sad that some are taught to believe otherwise. |
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---AlwaysOn on 10/31/09 |
God is able to forgive. |
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---will on 10/31/09 |
I've not heard anyone condemned for children born out of wedlock, except that they could not hold an office in a holiness church. That seems very extreme and more of shame on the mother's part than actual fact. Eradicating doctrinal error from fundamental holiness pentecostals often requires deprogramming, ingrained traditions can be cultish and not biblical. |
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---Jenny on 6/5/08 |
King David had a child out of wedlock and he's in Heaven today. (Or, at least, he WILL BE in Heaven someday!: for those of you who don't believe that a Saint goes directly to Heaven at death!) :-) |
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---Gordon on 9/26/07 |
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Mary became pregnant out of wedlock, we all believe Jesus and Mary are in heaven. Probably the church in that day gave her a hard time too.
---yoshin on 8/21/07
Go back and read the part where joseph married Mary and was not 'with' her till after Jesus was born.
I'm pentecostal and we have as much a problem with pregnancies as the rest of you. Remind her that she did a righteous thing by bringing her children into the world. Let her sit with that for a start.
Then remind her about David. |
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---Andrea on 8/23/07 |
No one but God knows who is going to heaven, but Catholics believe you will not go to heaven if you die in a state of mortal sin. (not in friendship with God). The Bible says that fornicators will not enter the Kingdom of God as well as many others so the key is to repent and change your life. If you did something in the past that was wrong that doesnt mean you cant enter heaven. Everyone has sinned and I'm sure this doesnt exclude the judgemental Pentecostal. |
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---janet on 8/22/07 |
I am constantly amazed at what practical, thinking Christians listen to. All you heard was simply someone who doesn't understand one thing about grace, about 1John 1:9, nor about mercy. You have simply listened to someone who loves legalism more than Christ. |
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---Tony on 8/22/07 |
Forget Mary. You had better know that Jesus is in Heaven less you DIE in your SINS. Jesus is also here on earth you better believe that less you DIE in your Sins. |
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---catherine on 8/21/07 |
Mima, that pentecostal woman forgets that Jesus is going to judge you, not her. In fact, He won't have her beside Him seeking her input when He judges you. He won't even have a Bible in His hands and use it when He judges you.
Ask Jesus to reveal to you if you've sinned, and then forgiveness. Jesus is such a better judge than that woman!! |
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---Sheila on 8/21/07 |
Mary became pregnant out of wedlock, we all believe Jesus and Mary are in heaven. Probably the church in that day gave her a hard time too. |
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---yoshin on 8/21/07 |
You said I've had two children out of wedlock have you read Corinthians 7?. If you married after this forget this lie. If not you would be out of Gods plan in an unrepented state and because of this act and your children would be unholy. But as long as you are saved all things are passed away behold All things are new. You are A Brand New creation. In effect a (Spiritual Virgin). my words! |
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---Carla5754 on 8/21/07 |
Lady volunteered been very Pentecostal. I never ask persons religious preference when I am witnessing. Most people understand that the Pentecostal religion has a punishing God. Grace takes a backseat in that religion because each person in that religion expressly believes they must keep themselves. And that is the reason I think she said what she did to me. |
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---Mima on 8/21/07 |
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John 4:16-18 (Woman at the Well):
"16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither."
"17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband"
"18 For thou hast had five husbands, and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly."
No condemnation here. None for the woman taken in adultery. None for the prostitutes Jesus often ate with. He forgave them. Why can't we? |
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---Mark on 8/21/07 |
Susie:
The problem here is that many churches (Pentecostal holiness churches in particular) have very strict behavioral codes - these tend to heap all kinds of new laws on top of Christianity that turn it into a new kind of Phariseeism. The Ten Commandments might as well be Thou Shalt Not Smoke. Thou Shalt Not Drink. Thou Shalt Not See Movies. Thou Shalt Not Dance. (etc.) Such environments can be toxic, because they put people back under the condemnation of law again. |
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---Mark on 8/21/07 |
"Background was very Pentecoastal she said."
There are many people living in sin today whose background is all denominations. Because she has a background in pentecostalism doesn't make her any more a sinner than someone with a Baptist background. If she has a pentecostal background then she knows she is not living a Christian life and will be going to hell unless she repents and gets born again. |
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---Susie on 8/20/07 |
If the lady is still with the father of the two children, I doubt that God would take any notice of the fact that the relationship has not been regularised by a civil legal piece of paper.
But she and the father need to know that this "sin" if it is one, is no greater tna any other. |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/20/07 |
Trish .. Your point and question are quite right and valid. |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/20/07 |
The Bible says "Children are a blessing from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward."
There's nothing there about the circumstances surrounding their conception vitiating the blessing! |
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---Jack on 8/20/07 |
Mima...You know that fornication is not an unforgivable sin. Maybe the lady wasn't going to stop her fornicating. If that is the case, then she isn't ready for salvation. |
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---Susie on 8/20/07 |
come on now, if you're out wittnessing you should know better than that! that is satan trying to get your goat hun! John 3:16 says whosoever... not everyone except for you and you over there. if you trust in Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then you have no worries! You are under grace! |
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---mary on 8/20/07 |
If she is relying on whether she had children in or out of wedlock, she is relying on the wrong thing. Jesus is the only way. So many people have heard and believed the perversion of the gospel for so long that they can hardly believe anything else. She has probably been told all her life that it is her good or evil that determines her relationship with God. It isn't. It is faith in Jesus Christ. |
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---Linda on 8/20/07 |
Her confession to you diplays how far back into her own works she had trod. And her confession also displays that she is trying to relate to God in her flesh instead of through her spirit. Pray for her, Mima, using Eph.1:17-23. I hope you get the opportunity to speak with her again. If not, I pray that the seed already sown will be watered profusely and there will be increase from God. I am so saddened when I hear of things like this. This is called shipwreck of faith. |
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---Linda on 8/20/07 |
There is no sin that cannot be forgiven except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Mark 3:28-29 This precious one needs to be told the truth, that Father God loves her and will forgive her. She needs to ask for forgiveness and turn from her wicked ways. She probably has been taught that to repent she would have to turn her back on the children, but that is not true. The Lord wants to save them too. He wants to bring love, joy, peace to that family. |
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---Gena on 8/20/07 |
I don't see what being Pentecostal has to do with the belief that fornication is sin. I also do not understand what your point in asking this question is. |
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---Trish9863 on 8/20/07 |
I believe Jesus died for all and if you repent, you live. Nothing can separate us from the Love of God. I believe Judas would of been saved, if he repented. |
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---Ruth6655 on 8/20/07 |
She had been wrongly informed.
Her sin is no greater than that of a Christian who has too much pride, or fails to love his neighbour. |
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---alan_of_UK on 8/20/07 |
Fundamental holiness practices and beliefs are rooted in bondage. Jesus came to set the captives free and remove bondage from the law. Fundamental holiness places more emphasis on tradition than the Word. They have their own interpretations and manmade traditions. Surprisingly enough, it is these same people who scream the loudest at the RCC for the traditions of men, but have a new set that they follow. |
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---Jenny on 8/20/07 |
Example: In Jesus Name Only churches, Oneness Pentecostals. Many place more emphasis on a woman wearing her uncut long hair in a bun, long sleeves, long dresses than they do on the actual condition of the a person's soul.
Jesus told the pharisees about their ungodly traditions of keeping the outward vessels clean but neglecting the inner vessel. Oneness/fundamental holiness places the same yoke of burden onto people - concern about the outward man, clothing, hair, food, etc. |
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---Jenny on 8/20/07 |
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