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Church With No Cross

How important is the symbol of the cross to Christianity? What do you think of a Christian church with no cross displayed?

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I think it stinks, however, they all have them. I asked God about that. "Churches that really is a false religion". He said He puts up with it, because, He does not know them. Be thankful for His convictions, because He knows you. Anyways, back to the cross. It is a symbol of God's love for His people. What that man-God went though for His people [Matt.1:1]. It is a symbol of His resurrection, in which, because God raised Jesus by the power of His Holy Spirit, We, God's people, also, shall be raised on that great resurrected day to eternal like. The unbelievers, also will be raised from the dead, to condemnation, eternal hell.
---catherine on 8/19/10


The cross, His resurrection, also gives us, God's people, power and hope. Amen.
---catherine on 8/19/10


Mima: Clearly the Word tells us: faith without works is dead. We do need to combine our faith with works. We need to get off our butts and share the gospel of Jesus Christ and stop being stupid. Some christians are just stuck on stupid! This is just the plain truth. Some things are crystal clear and these lazy wannabe's(christians) just muddle everything up with their silliness. I may be wrong Mima. But I think you are an older christian who have been around for a long time. You need to get off the milk and grow up. You need to be on solid food,by now.Teaching others the real and true Word of God. My gosh! You can read James 2:14,17,20,26
---Robyn on 8/19/10


Where the redemptive and vicarious work of Jesus Christ is, there you will find the cross also. The removal of the cross is a precursor to the removal of sound doctrine, and stealthily onto the denial of Christ. I know a false teacher whose followers blast, "Show us in the bible where it says we must have a cross"! Can you see what has happened there? Christ without the cross is how many Christians like to know Him, so they can continue to run with His grace without a thought of the shedding of His blood - or a thought of the Law. So the Law, where we show we love God, is removed so as not to offend, then the cross is removed so as not to cause shame. Find the church with the cross, after all, it has power [1 Corinthians 1:17]
---John_II on 8/19/10


The Main focus Is The One who died on the cross, Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/19/10




We should notget distracted by what is not commanded in scripture.
No where in the bible is a cross commanded to be on any christian building.
The cross on any building or necklass is of no biblcal significance.
These are human ideas, and not doctrinal
So to that i say BIG DEAL
the only thing i want to know about any church is: are they preaching the Law and the Prophets / testimonies

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the
testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
---francis on 5/19/10


I think the cross has been a foundational symbol of the church for a very long time and I think it should continue to be, "just that" - a symbol representing where our Lord died and rose from. Having said that, there is no commandment I am aware of that says we must have a cross in our church buildings. We ultimately worship the Creator not the created symbol. It is a tradional and traditions can become more important to people than the God we are supposed to be worshipping.
---mike on 5/19/10


If a cross as a symbol is helpful to you, by all means use it. But symbols are ultimately unimportant, and there is nothing in the Bible about erecting crosses on churches, or inside them. We worship in spirit and in truth.
---mugwump on 9/12/09


I like the cross to be displayed where people can do this without bringing authorities down upon them. But, in some foreign countries where the sign of the cross cannot be displayed without the government closing down the meeting of belilevers, I think not displaying the cross is the appropriate thing to do. It is Jesus shining forth from our lives that is most important. Even Jesus used the sign of the fish as a symbol of the followers. He didn't use the cross.
---Sandra on 9/9/09


I went to a Plymouth Bretheren church for 12 years and they did not have a cross.

The chief elder explained it to me one time, but I forgot exactly what he had to say. It was something about the cross being an icon and the fact that they worshipped a RISEN Jesus. Then too there was the controversey about whether to display Jesus ON the cross to remind of his suffering, or to show an empty cross to show his victory over death.

Many modern mega churches avoid the cross because it is a symbol of torture and human sacrifice that many non-Christians find offensive at FIRST (before they understand fully.)
---obewan on 9/9/09




"We can't just profess to be Christians we have to live this life through words and deeds."
---Robyn on 10/4/08

Robyn if the above is true how much is enough as concerns words and deeds?

At what point after having done all this can I call myself a Christian?
---mima on 9/9/09


I sure agree on the one, we need to worship Jesus & not the instrument that held up between heaven & the earth in the which He died on.
Diff countries even the U.S.A., some haters of God leaders are blind to see that some light-poles even telephone poles are the insignia of the cross. If they knew that, they'd put all lines under ground or how ever.
---Lawrence on 9/8/09


Yes I think that the Cross is an insignia. The True Worship goes to Him that died on the cross.
---Diane on 9/8/09


The "underground" church in China does not dare display a cross where they gather. It does not affect the sincerity of their worship nor the effectiveness of their prayers.
---Donna66 on 9/7/09


Removing the cross from the worship space is a big mistake. The cross, or better yet, what the cross represents, is the very grace and power at work on behalf of the world. Rather than remove it, believers need to be educated or re-educated as to its meaning. It is an integral part of our Easter story, not merely a symbolic gesture. It testifys to teh life-giving pwer adn grace of God. Rather than remove it, we ought to it as the vehicle of our salvation.
---Joe on 9/7/09


I don't see a problem with using the cross to remind us of the love that Christ showed and how much he was willing to suffer for us. However, at the same time, I don't think that we need to get hung up on symbolisms. If the cross symbol causes you to think of racism, death, etc., it becomes hurtful, not helpful. Likewise, if we begin to worry more about the symbols than the substance, then we have begun to worship idols. I don't have a problem with a church or an individual using the cross symbolism appropriately, but I also have not problem with a church or individual that desires to avoid the use of that symbol.
---Missy on 10/5/08


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The Indwelling of the Spirit of God replaces...

Replaces with what?

God's Love.

Cross or no Cross,World Globe or no World Globe....

The Heart is what the Father sees.

God Peace.
---char on 10/5/08


Yes, no cross, its ok. I have been in church with no cross display!
People standing up and jumping for joy, saying I am saved, I am saved
Its a good feeling! Right!

But, so you know! I have a cross, in my heart, on my side. There is a man nail on it!
He did not want to be nail to it, but I did it anyway! I (speaking only of me not you) can not let myself forget, what I did to him. I cry daily, I know he will forgive me. But, I still cry daily! He gave me life on that wooden cross, the knowledge of his love for me. God forbid I should remember this. But, I do!
God bless!
---Frank on 10/5/08


mima: Yes we do confess with our mouths but we must believe in our hearts that Jesus rose from the grave. When we confess with our mouths this is just the beginning of salvation. Not the ending. We must go on to be baptized, join a bible-teaching church and become a new creature in Christ. We can't just profess to be Christians we have to live this life through words and deeds.
---Robyn on 10/4/08


Robyn wrote,"Another thing: a church cannot save you either. The process takes place in our hearts." Yes Process takes place in your heart but also must be announced from your mouth. Scripture Romans 10:9
" That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
---mima on 10/3/08


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I don't think anything about it. The cross does not save anyone. A church does not have to display a cross to be considered a church. This is why it is so important to be taught and learn the word of God. There are cults/wolves who are waiting to take advantage of people with this type
thinking.
Another thing: a church cannot save you either. The process takes place in our hearts.
---Robyn on 10/3/08


Christians look to the cross always, and it has become an idol. Look to the life of Yeshua and how He lived, what He did, things of this nature.
---wayne_n on 10/2/08

Right, first you took off the body from the cross.
Next you throw away the cross and have a globe of the earth in it's place like Osteen on TV.

One will always replace the other.
This is always how new age and evil spirits enters Christian's Churches.

You all are playing with fire.
Pass down the faith without your interpretation of the faith.
---Nicole on 10/2/08


Wayne N., I like your answer. We need to worship Christ, not the instrument used to kill him.
---trey on 10/2/08


There is one Lord and Saviour and His name in the King James Bible is Jesus. Why start renaming Jesus? I know there are various clubs and to use a different name is to show that you belong to that club. However, Jesus is for all people. Your invented new names do not impress me.
---frances008 on 10/2/08


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Christians look to the cross always, and it has become an idol. Look to the life of Yeshua and how He lived, what He did, things of this nature.
---wayne_n on 10/2/08


Symbols are meaningful. To a Satanist, the inverted, bent or disfigured Christ on a cross (such as the Pope carries) is a sign of who they are. To us, the crucifix, or a simple cross, let's us know that a place or person is of Christ. Nowadays fashion has hijacked the cross. We need to take it back as our symbol. To a historian, a fish was a sign of Jesus, to a Satanist it is a sign of Pisces. They see it as a zodiac symbol, and Christ is part of their program. After the age of pisces, they believe it is the age of Aquarius. Hope this helps you to join the dots. If people are using our symbol, we should say 'Are you a Christian?' thus teaching people that symbols have meanings.
---frances008 on 10/1/08


Constantine had a vision of a cross during a battle in 310-315AD (unsure of date) ...as a powerful political figure he took his many hallucinations mixing them with pagan practices merging religion of rcc into his political office creating religious system it is today

cross is a man made idea from Constantine ...there is a REASON God created the 2nd commandment

why would one want a cross hanging from their neck as a "symbol" of Christ or a symbol anywhere? If he died by lethal injection would one wear a needle or create a needle and hang it on a building?

we were given instructions to observe his death ANNUALLY at passover ...not year round all the time
---Rhonda on 10/1/08


And His beard torn off, ones understand.

And in all this, Jesus was busy loving us, and bearing our sins . . . making OUR sins **His** problem!!!

So, the cross we need to bear includes how we even suffer for and bear the burdens of ones who do not deserve our love and forgiveness. The cross that Jesus has for each of us, then, is NOT just some one impressing and hard thing in your or my personal life, but our cross is ALL-loving.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/1/08


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ashley...I chose to ignore the falsehood of Mormonism and trusted in Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to salvation. I stopped looking at my works as a way to get into a so-called "higher glory" and began doing the Lord's work because I wanted others to know HIM. When you hang pictures of false prophets in a building and FORBID hanging a cross because it represents what JESUS did for us, that is an abomination. No man died for us! JESUS did it all! No man can tell us another way to Heaven!
---Susie on 9/16/07


Ashley: You are so quick to build yourself up and put others down.This is a very ugly Spirit. If you hear from God as you claim, you should be more gentle towards others and not so quick to condemn.
---Robyn on 9/16/07


suzie: Jesus died on the cross for everyone. not just hypocrites calling themselves christians. I can't tell a christian in a born again church from someone wallowing in the gutter. your example speaks volumes. if you live an evil life, it means nothing if you were married in the temple or not. it only applies if you reach the celestial kingdom. you choose to ignore precious truths the Savior has given us and that is your choice. I listen to the spirit of God. something many here have never experienced.
---ashley on 9/16/07


ashley...They forgot to tell you at your ward that Jesus died on the CROSS for your sins. He did not pay for them at HIS resurrection. They also forgot to tell you that you don't have to marry in the temple for your marriage to be valid in God's eyes or that a woman doesn't go to heaven depending on what man she marries. Women are free to accept Jesus Christ and HIS eternal reward where HE said there would be no marriage.
---Susie on 9/15/07


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The lack of a cross is not a problem in and of itself. It is the beliefs behind it that are a problem. I guess that is how the LDS's came into this blog. I have seen churches that started in space provided by school's that had no crosses but were christian, however and it made no difference. With reference to the blog trend, I agree that the LDS's are definately Cult as I have had friends who are LDS whom have shared much info with me.
---jody_martin on 9/13/07


Joseph Smith the founder of the LDS CHURCH is a "HOUND OF HELL" and those that follow his lead are in danger of Hell's fire.
---Mima on 9/13/07


3- many rejected Moses, Abraham, etc. in the O.T. The same way many mocked and crucified Jesus Christ during his life. today, another prophet is rejected by many. people reject the bible as false and pick and choose the parts they like. 2000 christian churches prove that. for the question asked. LDS's don't put crosses on their churches because it is a sign or idol of His death. We believe in a resurrected Jesus Christ. Many worship his death, we worship him as resurrected. big difference.
---ashley on 9/13/07


Wow! Joseph Smith is a really powerful fellow, to have control over our eternal destiny!
---John1944 on 9/12/07


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...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of god without the consent of Joseph Smith... Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance... I cannot go there without his consent. ... He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven.
LDS president and prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 289
---Andrea on 9/12/07


Susie: (from the LDS site)

The Joseph Smith Translation has restored some of the plain and precious things that have been lost from the Bible (1 Ne. 13). Although it is not the official Bible of the Church, this translation does offer many interesting insights and is very valuable in understanding the Bible. It is also a witness for the divine calling and ministry of the Prophet Joseph Smith.

---Tammy on 8/31/07


cont.
Note the word "some" - I'm thinking the entire bible wasn't translated. Another thought is that there is plenty of truth to support the church in the KJV and the church still gets all kinds of grief about those truths from those who prefer to ignore them. Why subject the church to additional accusations by making the translated version the official Bible used?
---Tammy on 8/31/07


Why doesn't LDS use the "Inspired Version of the Bible" which Joseph Smith also supposedly translated?
---Susie on 8/29/07


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Jos Smith said ALL christian denominations were an abomination - so I'm not surprised you ended up in this particular cult.

Its polytheistic and answers all the questions the bible leaves unanswered which was easy for joseph - he just made the answers up as he went along. The BOM is an ever changing lie.
---Andrea on 8/28/07


Jos Smith said ALL christian denominations were an abomination - so I'm not surprised you ended up in this particular cult.

Its polytheistic and answers all the questions the bible leaves unanswered which was easy for joseph - he just made the answers up as he went along. The BOM is an ever changing lie.
---Andrea on 8/28/07


True faith has small use for abstract symbolism. Symbols are ok for show, only. I am an ex-fundamentalist/Pentecostal who left it and found the true fullness of the Gospel which I believe is found in the LDS Church. I find those who rail against it, fundamentalist, do so to placate, mollify their own fears and insecurities found in their own religious convictions. By finding likeminded others they can whollly commiserate in their collective rickety faith systems by defining as cult, all not them.
---MikeM on 8/28/07


There is no scripture that says to spread pure butter on my bread when I eat but it sure makes my bread taste delicious. My point: Some things we should use common sense on.A scripture should not have to lead you on everything. There is a such thing as spiritual wisdom and discernment.
---Robyn on 8/27/07


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Tammy...Those are not pictures of Jesus. Those are pictures of what artists think Jesus may have looked like. By the way, I am an ex-Mormon who became born again when I found the true Jesus.
---Susie on 8/27/07


The Mormon Temples not only have no crosses they have no christian symbols at all.
---Andrea on 8/27/07


Susie -
What would a "legitimate" picture of Jesus be? Would it be any picture NOT hanging on the wall of a LDS Church? Are you kidding me? There are pictures of Jesus all over the LDS church - go to one and check it out, you don't have to attend a meeting.
---Tammy on 8/26/07


Tammy....If you have seen a legitimate picture of Jesus Christ, I'd like to see it.
---Susie on 8/25/07


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In my church, we have a picture of Jesus. To say that is what he really looks like, I do not know. We also have a real sword in a wooden case. And below the sword it says, Word of God. Because it is sharper than any two edged sword. Heb 4:12.
---Rebecca_D on 8/25/07


Ruben,
I believe Jesus came to the earth in the flesh,son of God, preached his fathers message, & died for our sins, raised on the 3rd day, & later in scripture ascended to Heaven with his father. I know & accept why he died for us, that is more important then how. Jesus is my brother(spiritually) his father is my father, I just do not need to look at the torture device used ot kill him & other people.I have faith in Christ & he loves me.
---candice on 8/25/07


The Mormon temples are elaborate to say the least - I'm surprised they don't have a cross. of course it is doubtful that jos Smith was a christian.
I don't know who designs the temples or why they don't have crosses.
Joseph lied dot com
---Andrea on 8/25/07


Would you hang the gun that shot your brother on the wall? Susie is right - there are no crosses on or inside a Mormon church but there are plenty of pictures of Jesus Christ displayed - they far outnumber those of Joseph Smith. That statement is so tiresome! The LDS celebrate the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
---Tammy on 8/25/07


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Ofcourse I am in favour of crosses. I believe we should display them everywhere. But putting a cross out in front of a church is no sign that the preacher is a saved preacher or its members are saved.
---catherine on 8/25/07


Jesus said to eat the bread and drink the cup in "remembrance" of Him (1 Corinthians 11:23-25).

I understand the best "remembrance" of Jesus is how we love the way Jesus was loving while on the cross...so we are "conformed to His death" (Philippians 3:10) by loving like Jesus did.

And, by loving like Jesus did on the cross, this LOVING is what has us in "the fellowship of His sufferings" (same verse).
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07


So, it is very important to present Jesus on the cross > but we have Romans 5:10 >

"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."

So, we ALSO need how His LIFE saves us > the life of His resurrection >

God "according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead," (in 1 Peter 1:3)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07


If you search the scriptures, you will not find a SINGLE ONE that commands (let alone encourages) displaying an image of a cross, or any other images for that matter.
---Mark on 8/25/07


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Jesus on the cross is so important, because by His death we were reconciled to God (Romans 5:10) So, it IS important to show Jesus on the cross.

And how He loved while suffering like that is our Example > including how "when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously." (in 1 Peter 2:23)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07


"The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18)

The Lord's supper > "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes" (1 Corinthians 11:26)

So, it is right to show people about Jesus being on the cross >
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/25/07


I was raised in a church that had Christ nailed to a cross all over the place, and when I actually got saved 25 years later, I would picture Jesus on a cross. One day in prayer the Lord spoke to me and told me," I have risen!" I am a risen Messiah sitted at the right of the Father in Heaven. I am alive."
And from then on I picture Christ alive and in Heaven inteceding on our behalf.
---tony on 8/25/07


Is there scripture that speaks to whether or not a cross should be displayed at a church?
---AlwaysOn on 8/25/07


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1) Ruben...preaching Christ crucified is preaching resurrection power, not only preaching his tormenting death on the cross and just leaving it at that. It is because of the crucifixion that sin was overcome and we are forgiven and we can then walk in His resurrection power. Preaching Christ crucified, means preaching the fullness of the Gospel and how Jesus rose from the dead and that He is not still on the cross. He has RISEN!
---Holly4jc on 8/24/07


2) The crucifixion encompasses ALL that Jesus did for us, which is surely a stumbling block to many (including Jews and Gentiles...of which I am a Jewish believer).

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

RESURRECTION POWER (THE HOLY SPIRIT) LIVES IN US! Praise the Lord!
---Holly4jc on 8/24/07


Mima,

i'm not sure i understand your point. If Jesus is portrayed on the cross than it is a reminder of the sacrafice, if the cross is barren than it reminds us of the ressurection. It is hard to say one is more correct than the other, perhaps a little anti RC going on. I think you may be taken a self proclaimed moral high ground here.
---Tony on 8/24/07


My church does not display a cross/crucifix. I would like to see a cross on an empty wall just behind the pulpit but I guess it s not really necessary. As long as the truth is taught and Jesus is the center of attraction. All is well. Some churches do not display pictures and images on the walls, statues etc..because they could be considered graven images.
---Robyn on 8/24/07


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Candice-You do not need to have a cross on the church building to follow Christ. The cross is what he died on & we donot need to see it to remember what he did. to me people maknig crossing using crosses remind me of what GOd said in the OT about NOT making graven images,so otherwise they're disobeying him.,


Then you do not believe 1 Corinthians 1:23"but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,"
---Ruben on 8/24/07


You will never see a cross on a Mormon facility. Of course, there will be a few pictures of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc., but that cross on which Jesus died for our sins is forbidden on their buildings.
---Susie on 8/24/07


You do not need to have a cross on the church building to follow Christ. Jesus is off the cross & on the right hand side of the father.The cross is what he died on & we donot need to see it to remember what he did. to me people maknig crossing using crosses remind me of what GOd said in the OT about NOT making graven images,so otherwise they're disobeying him., but again no a cross is not nessesary at a church.
---candice on 8/24/07


The cross is as symbolic as communion. We don't worship these things, they are pieces of God's plan, symbols to us that we remember the horror and the triumph of The Christ's entire time of redemptive work. I still love to think that God came to us, to save us becasue we are so broken.
---Ryan_Z on 8/24/07


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A true Christian Church does not have to have a Cross displayed. Although if they do have one it should be an empty Cross as Jesus arose from the dead and He dies no more. What does matter is what is being preached and taught in that Church. The Cross and Jesus' finished work for there should be foremost.
---Helen_5378 on 8/24/07


I would not think nothing of it. Even though Christ died on a cross. If I see a cross somewhere, to me that is just a symbol. It doesn't matter what is outside of the church, what matters is what is inside of the church? A church can have a cross outside and have sin rule the church. Just because they have cross, that doesn't mean they follow Jesus.
---Rebecca_D on 8/24/07


High in the Sierra Madre Mountains in central Mexico I had the opportunity to speak in a church that was just a white building. No cross, no words , just White mud sideing. When I ask why, the Indian pastor told me, because the Catholic Church emphasizes the crucified Christ. To the Catholics in Mexico Christ is still on the cross!
---Mima on 8/24/07


Mark, personally, I've always thought that the crucifix is a much more powerful symbol than an empty cross.

Not to mention, Paul wrote: "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified." (1 Co 2:2)
---augua9846 on 8/24/07


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Bill_bila5659:

Catholic churches display crosses with Jesus nailed to them, wearing a crown of thorns.

Protestant churches, on the other hand, display empty crosses. The reason for this is that they celebrate the RISEN Christ (who is no longer on the cross), rather than the DYING Christ.
---Mark on 8/24/07


Nothing as long as its preached.
---Andrea on 8/24/07


I never gave it any thought. I think it would bother me. I'm so used to seeing a cross somewhere.
---faith on 8/24/07




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