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Mother Teresa Not Close To God

This headline,"Mother Teresa was so doubtful of her own faith that she feared being a hypocrite," CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips reports." Taken from RAW STORY blog might be a eye opener.

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She did God's will..and not give up..
a faithful servant of the Lord.
---lisa on 12/4/07

Every Christian church is not guided by their traditions. They are guided by the Word of God. Many follow traditions contrary to the Word of God. Many add a new tradition and later others follow that traditions. Traditions are made of men. The word of God is the standard by which all born again believers should follow and we are to judge everything said by anyone with the word of God. If it doesn't confirm what they teach, it is a lie. God's word is final Authority to all Christians.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/07

#2. Been a kind and good person does not bring anyone to Christ. Been sincere never saved anyone. Only the truth bring others to Christ. Why? Because God uses His word of truth to bring light to whom He wills.
---Mark_V. on 10/29/07

lorra,thank you for all your input,it has kept me researching Bible. As for the Lamb,I took on faith and Biblical evidence in the OT & NT it means Christ,no code needed,but I do think there are symbols used,one thing for another. As for the church following oldest writing, people of Pentecostal Church have followed the practices and Apostles teaching since Acts Upper Room experience and many follow the Jesus Name baptism ordered by Apostles then. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/29/07

Emcee,I didn't say Satan,as an angel of light,came to lorra,I said it was possible it could come to men who write the things outside the Bible,men's writings,that she uses to study. lorra herself appears to be a very nice person. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/29/07

lorra,I studied 2 Cor 12:2 to see what you're referring to. It's taught, Strongs confirms this,when Bible talks about third heaven it's speaking of God's Heaven. The first heaven is our sky where the clouds develop,the second heaven is above first, where the stars are located,the third heaven is God's Heaven where He dwells now. It isn't three levels in God's Heaven at all. There'll be different degrees of reward, I heard stars in our crown,not sure thats Biblical, crown is 1Ti.4:8,but not levels.
---Darlene_1 on 10/28/07

Darlene_1, every Christian church is guided by their traditions whether they like to admit it or not. If this were not so, there would be one church with many branches instead of a field of separate churches all disagreeing.

The only difference is that my Church follows the oldest traditions which were recorded by the successors to the Apostles - some taught by them. Sure these writings are not infallible, and there were heretics, but that is why we were even more careful to preserve the Bible.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene_l, I don't mind thoroughness, I am just making sure that you are being thorough and not trying to dodge the issues.

As for my methods, I studied the Bible alone for years before I even knew about the writings of the early Christians. But if you did not think that there was an actual code, how do you think that the early Christians knew what Revelation meant? If there is no code, how do you interpret a lamb with seven eyes and seven horns?
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene 1, I think that if you reflect for a while, you may even realize that you know some of the code, not from explicit Biblical explanation, but from tradition.

The New Testament often speaks of ordinances and traditions given by the Apostles that we are to adhere to. These were NOT all written down in the scriptures. How does one get "married". The Bibles tells us that we must marry if we want to have a family, but now how this is accomplished.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene 1, The Bible tells us that we are to be baptised in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost - but again not how. Some are baptised in the river, some in a spring, some in standing up in a house, or in or near a prison. We know from the name that dipping or immersing might be involved, and from Jewish tradition the water must be living or moving, not still. Christian tradition gives us the information that guides our interpretation.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene::The angel of Light does not bear the quality of Humility or Patience.I see these qualities in Lorra.Peace be with you
---Emcee on 10/26/07

lorra,I don't have to nitpick to be right for all I adhere to is the Word of God,I am a stickler for that,but it wouldn't bother me to be wrong,always open to Bible facts. I do appreciate the exchange between us but think your way of study is so far off from mine,using mens writings,codes, etc.,that there will never be a way for me to accept what you say. Please remember,Satan comes as an Angel of Light and can influnce some of your sources when written. Thank you for your willing heart to help.
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/07

lorra,I said that with can also mean accompaniment, which would be in operation in the case you presented. I don't receive that a code exists other than in mens idea. God didn't give it or it would have been mentioned in the Bible. Jews were under the Old Testament,we are under the NT and it tells us we can depend on God and the Spirit of Truth-Holy Ghost to lead us into all truth,plus the Bible says the first Covenant is dead and I reject all Jewish practices for I am Christian,not Jew. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/07

Darlene_1 read 2 Corinthians 12. There are many levels of both Heaven and Hell, and the fact that the rich man spoke to Abraham had more to do with the fact that he was there than because God was not. Further, given his current situation, he might not have dared to seek God for anything.

Historically, the Jews did things that Protestants are uncomfortable with. And some of these things were never condemned because they were proper and good.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene_1, it is wonderful that you are studying the scriptures and using a dictionary. I encourage that and applaud you for doing so. And I have no objection to you challenging me in every way that you can - but please think about what you write and ask yourself - does it really change what I have said, or are you just nitpicking in the hopes of becoming right?

God bless.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Lorra: The Parable describes the Gulf that separates the saved and the lost. It is not death that seperates them but rather the conversion of heart. The story is symbolic because only a "Single drop of Water" from the Holy Spirit can quench a tormented soul. Yet because the rich man failed to recieve this in life he can not recieve it in death.
---TS on 10/26/07

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lorra, I didn't say that the Elders weren't holding the vials at first,unopened, but they weren't the ones who offered the prayers to God,since an Angel was used for that. All I am getting at is that saints don't pass on our prayers to God,period. We tried to find common ground and understanding,the only common ground we can have is to love one another regardless of how the other believes,we are both running the race to get to the same place. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/07

Darlene, so if I were to go with you to the store, I would be in control of you? Or if I laid my birthday present to a common friend on a table with your present, I gave two presents? The Elders originally possessed the prayers of the saints. Those prayers were offered to God. Now even if the Angel gathered both the prayers and the insense from the table to offer to God, does that negate what I have said??? The fact remains that the Elders had the prayers and the Bible says this explicitly?
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

Darlene 1, you will not find the code for Revelation in the scriptures, because that would have defeated the purpose of writing it in CODE. But the code was and still is known, it was passed down through tradition, first with the Jews who used it before we did, and then through Christ's Church. We know who the four beasts are because this information was recorded separately and preserved.
---lorra8574 on 10/26/07

lorra,I looked up "with" and it means possession, or accompaniment,combination,association,all meanings which inicate a joining from same source not functions apart from each other as you suggest in Rev.8:3 as one being from hand of Elders and One from Angel,because it says that "he"(Angel) should offer it with the prayers-. Rev 8:4 supports the angel being in control of both, says incense which ascended with the prayers of saints out of the angels hand.
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/07

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lorra,yes the beggar went to be with Abraham,but it wasn't what we define as heaven where God is. If God had been there the rich man would have begged God to send the begger to help him,not Abraham. Sorry I don't believe 4 Beasts are those 4 Apostles either. I would have to have Bible verses to prove both those things to me and so far you haven't given me anything I can see to do that. Thanks though.
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/07

Luke 16:24-25 "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."
---lorra8574 on 10/25/07

Luke 16:26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot, neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence."

For those who think that Abraham's bosom is just a euphemism for death, this one talks.
---lorra8574 on 10/25/07

Darlene 1: "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."

Here the Elders are actually holding our prayers. If you read all of this chapter, the Elders are actively worshipping and singing. In Revelation 8, the angel did not offer the prayers, but offered incense WITH the prayers of the saints that the Elders had brought.
---lorra8574 on 10/25/07

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Darlene P2: As for Revelation 5, please also include chapter 4, and you may already know that the four beasts were the four evangelists - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

The Bible the greatest book ever produced, but no wonder given its ultimate authorship.
---lorra8574 on 10/25/07

lorra sorry I goofed in giving verses,it was Rev 8:3 that shows angel offering prayers. It should have been Rev 5:8 & 9 ,not 9:8,that shows about elders and where they came from. Sorry it was too long and I changed it to fit and made mistakes on verses with the change. Think its right now for what I wanted to say.
---Darlene_1 on 10/25/07

Lorra: Story of Lazarus does not have him walking around Heaven as suggested. The parable uses the term "Abraham's Bossom" In Abraham's Bossom was his heart a heart of God. Abraham loved God and Neighbor. The beggar was Loved by Abraham: the Rich Man should have loved him too. Which is why the Rich Man is not in Abraham's Bossom. The Rich Man did not have His Heart. Apparently Lazarus had a good heart, Jesus Loved him, later raised him from the dead, parable foretelling the event to Pharisees.
---TS on 10/25/07

lorra thanks,I will read any verses you give me . Revelations about Elders,Rev 4:10,5:11,7:11,11:16,19:4,but they weren't walking around, got off thrones,fell on their faces to worship God. Rev.8:3 & 4 shows it was the angel that offered the prayers of the saints to God not the Elders. Rev 5:8 & 9:8 shows elders speaking,9 shows they were redeemed by blood of lamb out of every kindred,tongue ,people, and nation. Rev 5:9 proves that no human offered the prayers of saints(all saved) to God.
---Darlene_1 on 10/25/07

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Andrea: Again White is right. Investigative Judgement is Biblical:
Dan7:9 "..thrones were cast down, the Ancient of days did sit..and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: THE JUDGEMENT was set, the books were opened"

Rev14:7 "the hour of JUDGEMENT IS come"
Rev20:12 "the dead, small and great, stand before God, the books were opened..and the dead were JUDGED out of those THINGS WRITTEN in the books" INVESTIGATING the content of the Books.
---TS on 10/24/07

Darlene 1, P3: Granted this book is in code, but Jesus also has people walking around in Heaven in his stories (or memories) as in the story of Lazarus in Luke 16. None of this would make sense if all souls were dormant with their corpses. Now the OT does indicate that everyone was dormant in all respects, and some of the NT reflects that OT mentality, however, Jesus indicated and demonstrated that HE is the Resurrection and our personal beliefs are irrelevant in the face of that fact. John 11:25.
---lorra8574 on 10/23/07

Darlene 1, P2: But this is not a reference to the soul, but only to the body. Jesus spoke with Moses and Elias in Matthew 17, only Matthew refers to this event as a vision, the others just have Jesus telling His guests not to report what they have seen. They saw Moses and Elias, for real. Revelation shows that the Elders in Heaven are walking around, yet judgement day has not yet occured. They are carrying the prayers of the saints (our prayers) and offering them to God.
---lorra8574 on 10/23/07

Darlene 1, I am still trying to find the right number - if I give too many passages, then I get ignored completely because others either cannot be bothered to check them, or are overwhelmed, and if I give too few someone thinks that this is all I have.

But I will see what I can do. As for my recent response to Rebecca, I was not quoting scripture but referring her to the early Christian writers who described sleeping as a euphamism for death - Jesus did this too, see John 11:11-14.
---lorra8574 on 10/23/07

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There is nothing in common between SDA and mother Teresa-which is what this post is all about.I believe the Catagory,has been misplaced.
---Emcee on 10/23/07

there is another site Investigative Judgement made easy that explains Ellen's teachings
the SDA church has split over this already
there are many scholars that have researched her teachings and found this one particularly disturbing
I suggest you do the research too
---Andrea on 10/23/07

Andrea: You misrepresent EG White. She never said that Jesus came back in 1844. You need to go read her works and stop misquoting from dishonest websites.
---SeventhSeal on 10/23/07

RebccaD: David is saved "Dead in Christ" yet

Acts2:34 "David is not ascended into the heavens" as you suggest
Acts2:29 "David is both dead and buried, his sepulchre is with us unto this day"
Acts13:36 "David after he the will of God fell on SLEEP..and saw corruption"

The Dead in Christ "SLEEP" "Return to Dust" to await ressurection. Ec12:7, PS104:29, Ec3:19-20, Jn11:11-14, Ec9:5-6, PS115:17, Job14:12-14
---TS on 10/23/07

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lorra,please give verses,more than one, from God's Word, the Bible to prove your point. Without the Bible to back up what you say,then what you say carries no weight. So far all the verses I've found says the opposite of what you are saying in your reponse to Rebecca D. I am teachable if you can prove,with the Bible,beyond any doubt that what you say is correct.
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/07

There are not two Judgements. When Jesus comes every case is decided.
---SeventhSeal on 10/22/07

It was my understanding that Ellen White (your SDA prophet) said that Jesus returned in 1844 to begin the Investigative Judgment. Have you renounced that or do you just want to have it both ways?
---Andrea on 10/22/07

SeventhSeal: You need to read the whole passages. Job 14:10-14. You can't take one verse in the bible and say this is what it means. You need to read a few verses ahead and a few verse below. Job asked, If a man dies, and waisted away and gives up the ghost where does he go? Job is telling us that everyone has to wait their appointed time for God. Meaning that the dead in Christ can't rise if their already in heaven. They can't fall from heaven just so they can rise up first. That would be silly.
---Rebecca_D on 10/22/07

lorra: Not True. No change in the State of Dead until Christ Returns. While it is true that when Christ was resurrected "that many in the Graves came out and showed themselves in Judea" these were simply the first fruits. No where does the New Testament state that when you die you do not sleep awaiting resurrection. No where is the Soul called Immortal.
---TS on 10/22/07

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Rebecca_D, Job was under the Old Covenant and for all those who died under that covenant, none went to Heaven unless specifically called by God. We are under the New Covenant. And the early Christian writers affirmed that while the dead in Christ "slept" this was a euphamism for death and their souls were alive with Jesus. Their physical bodies remained in the ground awaiting the Second Coming. Jesus promised us eternal life.
---lorra8574 on 10/22/07

Emcee: On that day Jesus told the the thief he would be with Him in Paradise. He did not say they would go to heaven that day. Jesus did not go to Paradise that day for after the Resurrection Jesus said to Mary "Do not touch Me for I have not yet ascended to the Father" Who lives in the Paradise of Heaven.

There are not two Judgements. When Jesus comes every case is decided.
---SeventhSeal on 10/22/07

Rebecca.D::Are there not 2 judgements?Jesus told the Good thief "This day thou shalt be with me in paradise"so does that mean those good people who diein Gods grace, have to stay underground?do their spirits enjoy Heaven?
---Emcee on 10/22/07

Doug, I don't think anyone means to diminish the loving work Teresa did on this earth,no one can take away what is already history. What some of us do is adhere to the Word of God and nothing else. We don't accept any denominations teaching if it isn't backed up by the Bible. Also just saying something is one way or another without using the Bible verse to back it up means nothing. The Bible calls it the doctrine of Man. The doctrine of man is empty. Only God's Word is of any effect for a Christian.
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/07

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RebeccaD: Job knew he would wait in the dust for resurrection and be remembered as a saint after the Wrath of God was poured out upon the wicked:

Job14:13 "O that Thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that Thou wouldest keep me secret, until Thy wrath be past, that Thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!"
---SeventhSeal on 10/22/07

There is a heaven to which we go to after
death to await judgment day.
There are certain guidelines as to whether
we are saved or not,in that, we must be Born
Again,as it is writen.
Spirits do not inter into God's kingdom
of heaven until after the 2nd coming of Christ.
---Jack on 10/22/07

If we keep our attention focused on our own salvation, our own problems, we will not be glaring at Mother Teresa.
---Doug on 10/22/07

I agree that when a person dies in Christ, they do not go directly to heaven right then. I thought and I studying on this for a long time and I found out that Job asked the same question. And God told or showed him, that when a person dies, they await for the Lord in the ground. I'm not saying that those that died won't go to heaven, I'm saying that their not there yet.
---Rebecca_D on 10/20/07

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Betty,yes isn't this the verse? Ec.12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. That would be the spirit of life that God breathes into man as he did Adam. Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life,others to shame and everlasting contempt.
---Darlene_1 on 10/19/07

Betty: The Scripture actually says the "Breath" goes back to God Who gave it.
---SeventhSeal on 10/19/07

The bible says when we die our spirt goes back to God from which it came
---Betty on 10/19/07

Mima the whole Chapter is saying how good it would be to be with Christ,how man desires it,but we must live for Him here and serve,knowing we face judgement and either reward or punishment. 2Cor.5:10 For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ,that everyone may receive the things done in his body,according to that he hath done,whether it be good or bad. Taken in context in which it's written,it only means we long to be with our Lord but we build the Kingdom untill He picks the time.
---Darlene_1 on 10/19/07

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To Darlene what do you think second Corinthians 5:8," We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." Is talking about?
---Mima on 10/19/07

Continued: Ryan,what I am saying is according to the Bible no one goes directly to their reward or into the presence of God. That is actually what the Bible says,we all have to face judgement before we are accepted by God to enter into the final place of reward,we call heaven. Jude I'm not judging Tereasa,the Bible is the only true guide we have and it is talking about everyone. It's hard for anyone to see anything but own beliefs but we must live by God's Word not man's teaching.
---Darlene_1 on 10/19/07

Ryan I said, people go to heaven,their reward,after judgement. Revelations 11:18-and the time of the dead that they should be judged,and that thou shouldest give reward to thy servants the prophets,saints,them that fear they name,small and great,-.Rev.20:12 And I saw the dead small and great stand before God,the books were opened,and another,book of life,dead were judged by whats written in books,according to works. Rev20:13 sea,death,hell gave up dead in them,they were judged according to their works.
---Darlene_1 on 10/19/07

Hey are you God that you judge Theresa's destiney or do you have authority to Judge whether Theresa is with God or Not? Is it not better to Judge ourselves, if we are going to heaven or not, other than judging others. Did God give you such Athority to judge?
---jude on 10/18/07

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Darlene, if you believe that believers can only go to heaven after death, then where are the souls of those who have gone before us? The prophets, the patristic fathers? In the story of Lazarus and the rich man where is Abraham when the rich man ask for a even drop of water?
---ryan3888 on 10/18/07

lorra,if you'll look back at what you said it was code. Code- a system of symbols which are letters or numbers used to represent assigned and often secret meanings. Symbol- something that stands for or represents something else by reason of relationship,convention,accidental resemblence, or a visible sign of something invisible. I very much believe that Revelations has symbols in it. It says only the Martyrs will be in 1st resurrection,I have wondered about that, but I"m sure it says what it means.
---Darlene_1 on 10/18/07

Darlene, do you really believe that Jesus is a lamb with seven eyes and seven horns, or is that something else in Heaven? Or that Jesus or some other entity is walking around with a sword coming out of his mouth? Do you honestly believe that there were only seven churches worth mentioning? Seven is symbolic, though these churches existed.

When John wrote this book there had already been many martyrs, and he knew that there would be more, do only martyrs get resurrected in the first resurrection?
---lorra8574 on 10/18/07

Opps sorry lorra that last one should have been for Ryan.I still say God Bless to you both.
---Darlene_1 on 10/18/07

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Jesus said>>they will live forever!John 2:23 Jesus said, Your brother will rise again.24 Martha said to Him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.25 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, THOUGH HE MAY DIE, HE SHALL LIVE!!! 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? I do! My soul goes to heaven..then the body will be resurrected on the last day..the glorified body to be with the soul again!
---Lisa on 10/18/07

lorra,I will go to heaven after the judgement by God,Revelations. I am sure there is a waiting place or even if we have no knowledge of waiting,since Bible says no knowledge in the grave,that would be fine. I don't have to have a knowledge of where I'll be until judgement because I trust and have faith that some day I will be in heaven with God on His timetable not mine. I don't believe Revelations is all in code. Like I said lets agree to disagree. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/18/07

Darlene, this is what you've qouted "And no man hath ascended up to heaven,but he that came down from heaven,even the son of man which is in heaven. Jesus is the one who came down from heaven,therefore,only he has gone up to heaven,no saints,including Mary and our dead loved ones." When are you going darlene when you will be dead?
---ryan3888 on 10/18/07

lorra,in Revelations it's clear what the first resurrection is ,I ask,how can you ignore the written Word of God? I don't take the Word and make it mean other than what it says. John 3:13 does show no one has entered heaven except Christ. We all face judgement before we get into heaven and if we went straight there, there would be no opening of the Book of Life to judge if we are in it. The best thing for us is agree to disagree. I will never take Denominational teaching,any denomination,over the Bible.
---Darlene_1 on 10/17/07

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Darlene, I never doubted that you believe in Heaven, but your remarks when taken to their ultimate conclusion could only be taken that none could ever ascend (you had used John 3:13 as your initial reference to prove that Mary could not be brought up after her death).

As for Revelation, I will remind you that this book is entirely in code. The world does not participate in the first resurrection, but those who die in Christ - which is what occurs in Baptism.
---lorra8574 on 10/17/07

lorra,concerning the first resurrection, Revelations 20:4 & 5 --:And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,and for the Word of God,and which had not worshipped the beast,neither his image,neither had received his mark on forehead or hands--. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. It isn't everyone in the first,only those who refused beast/antichrist,and its not bodies but souls resurrected.
---Darlene_1 on 10/17/07

lorra, I wrote about resurection because you said I didn't believe in heaven, wanted you to know I do,but believe all have to be judged before entering that's shown in Revelations. At no time did I indicate I think humans go up to heaven on their own power,I too believe it takes the power of God to raise us up in the last days. I do know no law,ordinances,or scriptures ever changed except with a major event sent by God. None listed for verse, Jesus only one ascended to heaven. I'll study it more.
---Darlene_1 on 10/16/07

I do not understand why people are so quick to accuse. Satan is indeed the accuser of the brethren. All I am guilty of is teaching the word of God. I didn't even mention Mother Teresa. Although IF what the media is saying is true I do not believe that she was saved. But not many people are.
---catherine on 10/15/07

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Darlene_1, quite right. I was still on John 3:13 which ONLY refers to Jesus and past events. You skipped ahead on me to Judgement Day. But Jesus was not speaking of Judgement Day back in John 3:13.

Further, we know that Enoch, Elijah and Moses were already taken bodily up - but being taken up is not the same as ascending under one's own power. Jesus was speaking of something else. He came from Heaven and was going back.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

Darlene_1, P2, as for your second passage, the bodies of the dead are taken up, that that does not mean that the spirits have been in those rotting corpses the whole time. During the second resurrection (which is what you are speaking of), the bodies are changed into incorruptable bodies during the resurrection and are rejoined with their souls. The first resurrection stems from Baptism where we die with Christ and are born again to a new life Romans 6:3-4.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

Darlene_1, P3: You read the Bible as if they spoke in absolutes. But the Jews often wrote with hyperbole to make a point. That the dead in Christ shall rise first, does NOT mean that Christ could not ever cause anyone else to be raised prior to that point in time. Jesus showed that HE was the resurrection, and not any one else, when He chose to bring Lazarus back from the dead. Jesus is free to do as He wills and it is wrong to impose absolutes on Him where none are proven by the scriptures.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

Darlene_1, P4: The dead shall rise first. It is just that simple. It does not say that for the first time in Judaeo-Christian history, all of the dead will rise for the first and only time at Judgement Day. The Bible shows that this is flawed thinking when we are introduced to Moses and Elijah who really are speaking with Jesus in that vision.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

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lorra I didn't change anything,I copied Bible like it is written. If you'll read verse about dead it indicates clearly the dead in Christ, who rise first, will be caught up by Christ,then sinners rise later, all face judgement,the righteous will go to heaven the sinners to hell. I never indicated no one goes to heaven,you are twisting my words or missing the point in the Bible. I give the Word of God if someone doesn't accept Bible verses then there is no use in trying to discuss the Bible with them.
---Darlene_1 on 10/15/07

Darlene, Does it mean that you will never be brought up to Heaven? Do you really mean that all of us are lost? Your all or nothing response is somewhat confusing. I said what Jesus said, you are the one who added to it when you changed the tense from past to future.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

Catherine, perhaps I am missing something, but what are you talking about with respect to "working" for salvation? Not one person in the world believes that this is possible and therefore would have to be the least effective of Satan's lies.

Mother Theresa did not work to gain Heaven but to do God's will. Jesus personally called her to go to Calcutta and to work among the poorest of the poor. This was not a price for salvation, but an act of gratitude for having been saved.
---lorra8574 on 10/15/07

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