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Can We Lose Our Salvation

Ephesians 1:13-14 and 4:30 discuss being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Does this support that we cannot lose our salvation?

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"Nicole,Compare faith with the Sun." Duane
I never compare faith with the sun!

I gave you actual facts of History concerning Christmas. No one knows the exact day He was born.
The RCC was trying to convert a large group of pagans into the Christain Faith.
THE PAGANS WORSHIP THE SUN! This was a strong feast day for them, that the RCC could not get them to stop. So I SAID, THE CHURCH COMPRISED WITH THEM. They kept their day of celebrations, but changed who they worship = Jesus.
---Nicole on 6/12/08

.Nicole,Compare faith with the Sun. The Sun produces light, heat, energy,ect(works). We dont say we need the Sun AND light, energy,(works). To say the sun is out and we need light also would be foolish. As long as we have a sun we can live on planet earth. The same with faith, we need only living faith and the works OF faith WILL follow. No works mean faith has died. No light means we have a dead star(sun).Earth will die without the sun as those without faith will die. We need only living faith.
---duane on 6/11/08

I think people need to know what faith really means...We need only faith to move mountains,only Faith will heal. Only faith will produce good works, if you have only faith you WILL have your good works.
---duane on 6/11/08

Yes. You can lose your Salvation. Either you're hot or cold not luke warm. We must be obedient to the Lord and do His will. Please, ask the Holy Spirit to guide you in understanding the scriptures.
---Mona on 6/10/08

Yes Duane, nonbelievers do perform good works. But, all good works are from the Grace of God. Even if I am not aware of God working in me. The birds of the air do not know that God is the One who is feeding them. Nevertheless He is feeding them.
Jesus said that a bad man will give his son an egg instead of a snake when asked.
---Nicole on 6/9/08

Work is not this big bad word some have made it to be. James is clear, but some still are confused. Faith alone is useless. Satan believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Satan knew this before us. That's Faith. Works proves our Faith to ourselves, not to God.
I have faith that I will make a 100 on my History test. But, I better study to make sure I will make a 100. Believing God can do all things does not excuse us to worship Him. Worship is Work.
---Nicole on 6/9/08

Trisha truely has the truth within her on this Matter!
So,don't bet your soul on "Once Saved ALWAYS saved"!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/9/08

Friends:: We deviate from the subject and question in this post,which is Eph1:13-14 and 4-30,The answer is NO NO NO,as always read the WHOLE Paragraph.OSAS is wrong WE HOPE for salvation.OSAS is not a guarantee.Read Verse can lose your soul by this belief,read Eph4:25-29, Satan employs minions to delude. Read to understand, if you claim you can discern what God is saying.The subject drifts away from what was being discussed. Nicole is strong in her truth.Stick to the TRUTH.
---Emcee on 6/9/08

You must know our works show nothing. Havent you ever asked, why is this person doing good deeds? We need to know the intent of the heart. There are people who dont even believe in God that do wonderful good works for mankind.
---duane on 6/9/08

John MacArthur who believes once saved always said that a person who is saved will lived saved from sin.

I believe what he said is true.
---Samuel on 6/9/08

One can lose his salvation according to Hebrews 10:26-27 which says one can sin wilfully without repenting and face fiery indignation and become again an adversary towards God.
Also Revelation 3:5 says one's name can be blotted out of the book of life if they continue to go back to a life of sin without repenting, after they became born again christians.
---Trisha on 6/9/08

It would be nice if the statement in Ephesians would be true, but in Revelation it also states to be careful to not lose your crown.
---james on 6/7/08

Mark,Very good on faith that produces works of faith. True faith will always produce good works. We must realize works dont prove faith, for there are many who do good to others but do them for the wrong reason. We must test the spirits. Dead faith=Dead works before God.
---duane on 6/7/08

3. You all even argue of the 'age of first sin'. I have seen some MEAN SIX YRS OLDS. Young children are killing. Did you hear about the 8 third graders planning to kill their teacher? They had a detail plan on PAPER, rope, knives, hard objects, date and time. THEY WERE SERIOUS.
THANK GOD, NEITHER DOES JESUS AND HE IS THE MAKER, not the creature as satan is.
Action is needed! Not just a bunch of words of how Jesus Saved me. Show your FAITH by your WORKS.
---Nicole on 6/6/08

MarkV,I think you misunderstand our views on faith and works. You seemed to believe we think if 5 Hail Mary's are said,we go to Heaven because of the work put into saying 5Hail Mary.NO,Faith causes me to say 5Hail Mary, Our Father or go to Church. Some Protestants seems to think they have to profess a formula of words to be Saved. Their own virtue of coming to Jesus.No one has virtue,strength or will to come to Living God.God came to you FIRST and gave you the Grace to find HIM.His Grace is for EVERYONE.
---Nicole on 6/6/08

2. That's why we believe in infant Baptism.
Salvation comes from God. When we are older, we have Confirmation. Confirmation is confirming your parent's Baptismal promises made for you when you were small. Rejecting evil and turning to God.
RCC knows God has to give the graces first, which is by Baptism. (Gifts of the Holy Spirit)
Can you image a Jewish boy asking his parents why they didn't wait until he was old enough to understand circumcision? No, they would look at and call him crazy.
---Nicole on 6/6/08

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3. Do you consult with your kids about which doctor they wish to have? Dentist? Cake for Breakfast? Do you asked them if they want to go to Church or sleep in? Do you ask them which Church or Faith they rather have or believe in? So, why do people allow their children to choose Baptism when they are older? WAR IS REAL! Do you not want to arm your children with the best?
---Nicole on 6/6/08

Nicole, one faith the Bible talks about is dead faith, it is dead to God. Spiritual death is also dead to God. When God brings you to life, and you can see God as Lord, you will receive the gift of Saving faith. This faith is alive to God. Anyone can have faith, but is the faith they have dead or alive? James makes it clear, what good is your faith if it doesn't produce works? Saving faith always produces good works. Just to say we have faith does not prove we are saved, it has to be alive to God.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08

Well, Nicole, there is the faith that everyone has when he is born, faith the car start when you turn on the key, faith light will come on, faith the plane will fly, and so on etc. Then there is true saving faith that is a gift of God when you are born of the Spirit. Everyone is given faith, but not the faith of God. 'For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."
---Mark_V. on 6/5/08

#2. Nicole: If everyone had saving faith, why would God mention, "it is a gift of God, not of works? You see, if that faith came from you and not God you would boast that it came from you. Not of works, means not because of something you do or have done. I believe you need to study more on Eph.2:1-10. I hope it helps you in your ministry, If not, then I am not responsible, for I gave you God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 6/5/08

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#3. Nicole: Just think of this point. If everyone alive had faith to come to Christ, as you suggest, then all those people who are lost, are really not lost but are really believers. But they are not believers in Christ, that is why we call them unbelievers. If they have faith, they are all saved. Pure nonesense. Sorry Nicole, but you are mixed up with what Rickey is mixed up with, men centered theology that gives man power over God. Why are people going to hell, because of their lack of faith in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/5/08

MarkV You just made that up about two faiths. If there was two types of faith, James would have said so. No, singular Faith and Work! James 2:18.."You have faith and I have works."Demonstrate your faith me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. Then he gives an example of faith only- GOD IS ONE- and he states even demons believe this. Then he gives the example of faith WITH works = Abraham offering his son Isaac upon the altar. ONLY ONE FAITH WITH AND WITHOUT WORKS.
---Nicole on 6/4/08

Salvation can indeed be lost look at Judas. Total apostasy (completely falling away) of course if someone is saved and filled with the Holy Spirit they will be striving to live the righteous life and not committing apostasy.
---Brian on 6/4/08

Samuel, you can shape any survey the way you want it to turn out. Did the Barna research survey religious and priests? Was the survey in the Northern part of the country or in the Southern part were the majority is Protestant? Catholics read the Bible. The research team never surveyed my friends, family or myself. In fact I never heard of them.
Anyway as I said before, I am speaking about reading the Bible in Church Sunday after Sunday. CHAPTERS ARE READ OUT LOUD VERSE AFTER VERSE IN CHURCH.
---Nicole on 6/4/08

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2. The Priest doesn't just pick out some verses and preach on it for one hour. He has to combine all three (OLD, NT AND GOSPEL) readings and preach on them.
This is data can be proven in the Western and Eastern Churches. Set chapters that are read anywhere you go to Mass. If you are in Germany you will hear the same readings from the Bible as those in Alabama.
Preachers get to preach on whatever they feel like preaching. Then, they tell them finish reading the rest at home.
---Nicole on 6/4/08

Sorry that reply wasn't supposed to go here,
My Bad, Carry on.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/4/08

Nicole, James is very clear on what you said, "what is it my brothers, if someone says he has faith and has not works?" can that faith save him? The answer is no. James is distinguishing between two kinds of faith. One faith (saving faith) produces works, and the other doesn't. All people have faith but not all have saving faith that comes from God. The saving faith that comes from God produces good fruit always. To some, more then others, but it still produces works.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08

Yes the RCC has killed millons. Look up the history of the Crusades and the Inquestions at wikepedia and other sources.

Barna Research does surveys on who reads the Bible. Protestant read the bible almost twice as much as RCC members. Still only 53% of Protestestants read the bible when it should be 100%.
---Samuel on 6/4/08

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Mima, God causes no blindness, so why add Him as an option?

Plus, you are too vague on your meaning of blindness. Blindness on what? And which Church is blinding them?

You ask a loaded gun question? Can you be more specific?
---Nicole on 6/3/08

Pt. 4
Those that didn't take part in 1st Res.,
the 1000 yrs.,AND didnt live again UNTIL after the 1000 yrs.
They come W/God & the NEW JERUSALEM out of the NEW Heaven.
This is After the 1000 yrs,Judgment for the 2nd who Didn't take part in the 1st one, (Rev. 20:6).
Rev. ch. 20 & 21 is pretty clear, Add all that to the Escape Scriptures that's been shown elsewhere and Hopefuly it becomes clearer.
I can only Pray for you guys/ladies, It takes the Spirit to reveal things.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/3/08

Christina,you are on a personal level,which no one can verify.I am on Church Services. I too have seen many Protestant Churches.Most Preachers have 1 to 5 verses they read out loud in Church.RCC has 3 to 10 CHAPTERS read on Sundays alone,and 2 to 5 chapters on weekdays.You can verify by looking at our schedule. RCC has 3 year cycles-day to day sections of readings. No change.Cycle A for 2008, B 2009,C 2010, A 2011 and so on. The Bible is repeated every 3yrs. The Eastern Church have just as much readings.
---Nicole on 6/3/08

1. Debbie Jo, I will say you speak with truth. But, you are not saying anything that is in the direction of Salvation. We all know that it is the Holy Spirit that sanctifies us. But, we have bodies that have purposes. Can I say I am born again by words alone? No. Action is needed. Not works as some claim action is all about. Born again is being born of water and Spirit. Baptism.
We know our flesh and counting on our will not save us. But, We have 'will'. God forces no one without our acceptance.
---Nicole on 6/3/08

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2. Jesus told Nicodemus by water and Spirit. The Spirit Saves us, but water is the outward SIGN of the Grace of Spirit. Some are confused about works. James 3:14 is clear, What good is it, my brothers,if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? Yes,but works shows the faith to ourselves. God knew Abraham would pass the test of trying to offer up his son to Him. So for what reason did Abraham go through all that work for? For himself, his son, and all of us. Not for God.
---Nicole on 6/3/08

Scripture gives clear evidence that God chooses whom He will, evidence that God draws you to Him, and through Christ own words, that no one can come to Him unless he is drawn by the Father. I don't read anywhere that men draws himself to God. Or that He possess the ability that stops God from drawing you to Him. Greg is correct in that the gospel of salvation is for all flesh, and correct that if one doesn't have the Spirit of God, it is impossible to have the behavior and attitude for for eternal life.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08

3. Everyone practices works. If you say you believe in God who saved you, why are you still going to Church? You got the message and you are Saved! Why stand before a man to get married? Why have services for loveones before you bury them? These are all works that your bodies performs? The flesh is real and always with us. The Spirit sanctifies the flesh. That's why JESUS DIED IN THE FLESH. BODY to redeem the bodies INTO HIS OWN SPIRIT. IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT SAVES, BUT NOT WITHOUT THE body's ACCEPTANCE.
---Nicole on 6/3/08

We are certain that some are blinded by their churches.
Who's responsible for this blindness?
The churches?
The individual?
Or God?
What is your opinion
---Mima on 6/3/08

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Nicole: "No other Church reads the Bible more than than RCC."

how do you come to that conclusion? Where has that been studied/documented?

In my experience, which is extremely limited, I've known more catholics then protestants and with the exception of clergy, I've only known 1 Rcc who consistently read her paternal grandmother. However, many more protestants I've known read the word and put it into practice, including most of my mothers family.
---christina on 6/3/08

Excellent job Debbie Jo, your explanation is so true. Pride stops them from believing that. Why? Because (I) and (Me) is still in their minds, so they want to take some of the credit for their response to the Lord. This problem is with Christians only, because we are talking about our salvation. It is not a problem to the lost. They don't believe in Salvation.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08

Todd1, the RCC has not killed millions, esp not for reading the Bible. No other Church reads the Bible more than than RCC. The RCC take and does every word that Jesus teaches. We baptize in the Trinity. We follow His command concerning Last Supper when He told us to "Do this always in memorize of Me." Sins are forgiven in His name as He commands the Church. We don't look to the letters outside of the Gospels to prove our Actions. We follow Jesus' Word first. The Letters are 2nd to the Gospels.
---Nicole on 6/2/08

How can the Roman Catholic Church be Christ's church when its teachings so often contradict the plain teachings of His words? Not to mention contradicting itself so often throughout history. I dont think I could ever call a church that slaughtered millions and millions and millions of people for reading the Bible, "His church"
---Todd1 on 6/2/08

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I am following up in Luke and with Greg>>>All, means not Jews only, but the Gentiles, included.>>> Now observe: That the guilty corrupted race of mankind is become a generation of vipers, not only poisoned, but poisonous, hateful to God, hating one another, [Damned these people are.] A warning to flee from the wrath to come. Only way out for the wicked man, is repentance, and then live like penitents. If you are not holy in your heart and life, your religion is of no use,
---catherine on 6/2/08

"The trunk of a tree is the beginning of Christianity" Steveng

Yes, you are right. The trunk to the tree is the Church Jesus started on earth and He will cut back to the trunk.
---Nicole on 6/2/08

Every person on earth has salvation AVAILABLE to them Luke 3:6 says "ALL flesh shall SEE salvation", but if we don't have the behavior, attitudes/thoughts of a GODLY spirit in us, then we don't have the GUARANTEE of eternal life (2 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5, Ephesians 1:14).

Our 'works' must not be of our own effort, but simply to trust that Jesus did them for us (John 6:28 and 29).

All verses are from the RSV.
---greg on 6/1/08

#1 We are born of the Spirit and with that birth comes the unbreakable seal of the Holy Spirit. To understand it you must understand the new birth. The world and even many believers believe that the flesh or old creation can be changed. They think that the old man can be fixed or that man can fix himself up. Men do not like to be shown that they are sinners. The fruit of sin must be put out of sight forever. Many are determined to do this themselves, totally without God.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

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#2 That is why Jesus said, "Ye must be born again." The flesh will never change and to try to stop it from doing what it desires to do is just plain foolish. The desires of the flesh come from within, and cannot be reached nor controlled by rules and laws. Controlling the flesh is beyond the power of man, for the desires are in the life of the flesh. The desires are wrong, because the life is wrong - Matt. 12:33.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

#3 Flesh will be flesh even if you try to hang some good fruit on the outside, and then try to make ourselves and everyone else believe that it grew there. It will surely be seen for what it is , for truly, "that which is born of the flesh is flesh." It cannot be disguised. But when we start right and are born again, we become a new creation and we get a new life, a good pure life, and become a good tree, then the good fruit follows naturally.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

#4 It comes forth spontaneously, in due season, because the tree is good. Is it any wonder that Jesus said, "Ye must be born again", because the flesh cannot enter heaven. It would not be heaven, if sin or sinful flesh were there. There must be a change. And Jesus tells us just exactly how this is accomplished - not by entering the second time into our mother's womb and being born, for that would only be another birth of the flesh, but it is accomplished by the power of the Spirit.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

#5 And as the fleshly birth reveals that it is flesh, so does the spiritual birth reveal that it is spirit. The fleshly birth is totally earthly, and the spiritual birth is totally heavenly. The fruit will follow according to the life. "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit." It grows on the tree. It is not put on, but rather it is a result of the nature of the tree - a spiritual fruit. That new life in us is sealed there by the Holy Spirit.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

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#6 It is totally holy, sinless and with blame. It is in fact the very life of Christ sealed in us by the Holy Ghost waiting for the redemption of our bodies.
---Debbie_Jo on 5/30/08

God measures us by the measure of our participation in the truth in His life.

We grow up into the fullness and stature of Jesus Christ coming into maturity, as we live by the faith of Christ .

How does one live by the faith OF Christ??

By surrendering ourselves a living sacrifice...who can then say "no longer I but Christ in me".

Then HE is able to do abundantly above all we could possibly ask or think according to HIS POWER that works in us.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08

What I've learned IS, Theres some who will walk a mile and others that will walk two.
I've always tried to walk the Extra mile.
Jesus said Some of you I will write your Names on the Pillars of the New Kingdom.
Some gather more treasures in Heaven than others.
Jesus said that J.Baptist was Greatest among all men, BUT in Heaven he is the Least.
Unless your Righteuosness EXCEEDS that of the Sadds. & Phars. YOU will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
EACH preson IS meas. BY There Faith!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/29/08

*****If you knew me though, you would probably say what a lot of others have said to me Including my family and Adult children, They haven't seen or met anyone as close to God as Me.****

That I may KNOW Him, and the fellowship of His suffering...being made conformable to His death, that I may attain to the resurrection ..I press on.

You can't get any closer than this.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/08

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If you knew me though, you would probably say what alot of others have said to me Including my family and Adult children, They hav'nt seen or met anyone as close to God as Me.
My oldest daughter was asked when she was going to give birth to my 1st G-kid, If she wanted a Preacher or Preist if their were complcations, She said NO, I want my dad, He's closer to God than anyone i know.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/28/08

val_I know, I let someone get to me after i spent to ALOT of time & trouble repling with a bunch of Scripture that they just dismissed as nothing.
My bad, Please forgive me.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/28/08

Duane Dudley Martin.... Boasting about how far you think you are in Christianity is not the answer my friend. People will gather for what they "want" to hear. PLease.... don't hurt your own spirit by boasting or being proud. Bible intellect is NOT what Jesus' message was in the first place. Jesus despised religeon remember?
---val on 5/28/08

Duane Dudley Martin, Are you saying man CAN completely stop sinning without Christ In them? The woman taken in adultry was not indwelt with Christ OR the Holy Spirit. If righteousness comes by keeping the Law, then Christ died in vain.

The Spirit of the life of Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. When we walk in the spirit we won't give way to the flesh. Our flesh has been crucified with Christ.

---kathr4453 on 5/28/08

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20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/08

Salvation is when you are in Heaven.
No one can say they are set for life. This is not in the Bible. The Bible tells us HOW to obtain, gain and maintain our Salvation.
1st Peter 2:3 ..pure milk of the spirit to make you GROW unto salvation.
1st Peter 1:9 because you are ACHIEVING FAITH'S GOAL, YOUR SALVATION.
Words are used as grow, achieving and goal. The race isn't finish. You can't stop running until you reach the FINISH LINE.
---Nicole on 5/28/08

Jesus did not preach about God. He preached about Himself, yes He did, plus, He preached about His Father. Remember the Trinity, a must if you are truly saved.
---catherine on 5/28/08

Steven, you are incorrect.

I am aware that God is more powerful than any of us can comprehend. I am aware that God's love is all-encompassing. I am aware that God does not need our consent to work miracles in our lives, or the lives of others. I am aware that God is PERFECT.
---deb on 5/28/08

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Kathr4453_Are you saying?
"GO and SIN NO More OR a WORSE thing come UNTO thee".
Those that do the least of things were told to do & Teach others to do the Same, WILL be called "The Least in Heaven".
Thats Your LORDS Quote!
IF you can live W/that, Go for it...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/28/08

Sinless No...Forgiven yes...This is why Jesus died for all of our "Past", "Present" and "Future sins".The Only sin that Jesus did not cover on the cross for mankind was the one of rejecting Him as Savior...People in hell today are there bec they rejected the Savior Jesus Christ and died in their sins.However, According to some denominations He didn't cover "Smoking Cigarettes"...What a trampling of the blood of Jesus.
---Elisabeth on 5/28/08

Only if they never had it.Salvation means:"Vines Dictionary of the Bible" Savior,deliverance,preservation, safety,health,God's power to deliver from the bondage of sin,peace,harmony,sanctification,deliverance from the wrath of God,destined to be executed upon the ungodly at the end of this age, blessings,bestowed on men in Christ through the Holy Spirit.However,You have to ask for the Baptism in the Holy Ghost after salvation...And then receive it, as another free gift.
---Elisabeth on 5/28/08

Nana: "Please tell me about that Gospel." Search any online Bible for the phrase "kingdom of God." Make sure to read the verses in context. Jesus came to earth to prech the Kingdom of God and how to get there. He didn't preach about Himself, but about God. He performed miracles to prove who He said He was is true. The Kingdom of God is even written throughout the Old Testament.
---Steveng on 5/28/08

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deb: "I know the scripture, I just don't believe it was of God."

So, you believe some verse, but disregard others. Then you know God intellectually, but deny His power.

"That would assume man was capable of knowing all God knows..."

Nothing is impossible with God. He gladly shares His knowledge with any man who seeks it. Holy Spirit can give a Christian wisdom, knowledge, power to perform miracles, etc.

What I tell you is sprinkled throught the whole Bible.
---Steveng on 5/28/08

Nana: "you seem to long for yesteryears..."

On the contrary, I long for Jesus' return.

"as if people were better and the love of God was stronger."

Have you not read the prophesies of the end times about people including "their love will wax cold..." And love has almost entirely dissapeared from this world.
---Steveng on 5/28/08

Nana: "I rather disagree with 3,300 denominations..."

The trunk of a tree is the beginning of Christianity. As time went on and new branches grew, so did the number of interpretation of the Bible and, in turn, the number of different denominations. Jesus will return to chop the tree back to the trunk. Search any religion history reference book and you'll see the plethora of Christian denominations.
---Steveng on 5/28/08

A Christian cannot lose salvation if He lives the same way He was saved. Where do Christian people get off saying if they sin its still counted against them? We are dead to sin, it has no power over us.
What did Jesus do for you? HE set me free from sin. HE made me righteous. We dont make ourselves righteous as some think. Its all in the blood and resurrection.
We dont repent of sin to be forgiven, we repent(turn to Christ)...huge difference..One works, one wont
---duane on 5/28/08

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I'll tell you what, I'm farther along in this race than Most people, Those are my Families words.
You asked for Sripture, other than Hebs. and I've given it to you, Do with it What you Will.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/28/08

Duane Dudley Martin, I know you put here many scriptures, but none of them answer my question.

Of coarse the Christian GROWS in the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ,spiritually maturing. But we never become perfectly sinless in this life time. Even Paul said, not as thou I were all ready perfect, but I press on forgetting those thing behind...and pressing on to what is ahead. Philippians 3

Are you saying YOU'VE and now, before your have been Glorified together with Christ?
---kathr4453 on 5/28/08

I asked you for a period and you game me an Aeon! Nevertheless, you seem to long for yesteryears as if people were better and the love of God was stronger. Oh my, you sound like an outcast on a God forgotten land. What Gospel is it that you speak of that has not been "water down"? I rather disagree with 3,300 denominations on Scripture than on matters not of Scripture. Please tell me about that Gospel. Thanks.
---Nana on 5/28/08

In answer to your question, yes!

I have never read where the Holy Spirit will leave you nor foresake you.
---trey on 5/27/08

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StevenG, you're right. It's sad that churches lock their doors.

I do not believe Jesus told us we would perform miracles. Miracles are of God, and God alone. I know the scripture, I just don't believe it was of God. That would assume man was capable of knowing all God knows...when a miracle was appropriate and when it was not.
---deb on 5/27/08

1Cor. 15
34 Awake to righteousness, and SIN NOT, for some have NOT the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame

1 Peter 4
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, ARM yourselves likewise with the SAME mind: for he that hath suffered IN the flesh hath CEASED from SIN,

2 That he NO longer should LIVE the rest of his time IN the flesh TO the lusts of men, BUT to THE WILL of GOD.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/27/08

Nana, deb: "Most Christians today..." Part III

My personal experience: I hitchhiked across America for 1-1/2 years in the early 1970's. I didn't have any problems seeking a place to stay through any church in any city I visited. Four years ago, I became homeless, I knocked on over 35 different church doors without success - one offered me a place beneath the bushes in front of the church, another offered to help if I became a member. That's a difference 35 years makes.
---Steveng on 5/27/08

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