Mrarkv its not that hard to understand that scripture.I put it up there so people would know that you don't receive the holy spirit just on the fact of repeating a verse, or just saying I believe in God. the disciples were from john, but john preached Jesus.
Markv as you read further it says that, they were re baptisted in the name of Jesus, they received the holy ghost and spoke in tongues. when you receive the holy ghost you speak in tongues, until you speak in tongues you don't have the spirit. Now Romans 8:9 comes in where it says if you don't have the spirit you are none of mine.
---batieste on 5/13/09|
Vicki, sorry girl but that difference really depends on the pastors elders that lead. i went to baptist churches where healing, deliverance prophecy tongues and etc. never seaced, and i went to pentecostal churches that even the pastor hardly was alive.
i think the biggest real difference is that many pentecostal churches have the gifts of God one way or another in their confession of faith, whilst most baptists have not made it a matter of creed. (however exception can be seen in both nominations.
---Andy on 5/11/09|
Batieste, first of all the disciples that are mentioned in Acts 19:1-2, or not the same disciples of Christ. These were disciples of John the Baptist. "did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" Paul question reflects Paul's uncertainty about their spiritual status. Since all Christians receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation (Rom. 8:9, 1 Cor. 12:13) their answer revealed they were not yet fully Christians. They had not yet received Christian baptism (having been baptized on into John's baptism) which further evidenced that they were not Christians (2:38) where Peter tells them to repent and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins"
---MarkV. on 5/11/09|
Baptist: less emphasis on spiritual gifts and tongues, healing, spiritual manifestations.
Pentecostal: more emphasis on spiritual gifts, tongues, healing, spiritual manifestations.
---Vicki on 5/9/09|
i meant to refer. a refference, could have speld it wrongly.refering a referation
---Andy on 5/9/09|
Andy, I have learned that there are good and bad churches which bear the same title. It really depends upon the Minister, and the particular Holy Bible which is being preached from, and the obedience of each member comprising that church. If you have an unsaved pastor, then you have a blind guide, if you use an UNholy Bible, then you have vanity, falsehood and death being preached, if you have disobedient parishoners then you have a diseased body. So it really depends upon what is happening inside of the church rather than it's cover name. However, there are some names which are indeed clearly nonChristian in their title, eventhough they delusionally think and falsely profess that they are of Christ.
---Eloy on 5/8/09|
Alan, thanks for the correction this my remark was a handed down traditional teaching from a brother. but since church names are deffenatelyt not a spiritual issue i never checked tis out. by this i did. so my apologies goes to you Eloy, you where right.
---Andy on 5/8/09|
.andy, Baptist are named baptist because they believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. And the name Baptist is traced back to Bible, and it has zero to do with any later man named Jean. There are some false religions and cults whom use their founders as their titles, but the well-known names "Baptist" and "Pentecostal" are not related to that. Baptists are known to be more conservative, whereas Pentecostals like myself are proven to be more liberal. And we Pentecostals make no apologies for manifestations of Christ's Almighty Holy Ghost. Also those whom are foolish enough to try to quench the Spirit will bring God's Judgment upon themself, for what God opens none will close, and what God closes none will open.
---Eloy on 5/8/09|
Andy:-It was I who wanted to know your affiliation. Thank you for the new"Joyfull Christian" of the Evangelical Mission of Flanders, and your explaination of the various little bits of this and that.Since they are your beliefs I respect them.
However you used a word 'refferation 'what does that mean.I know there are several sects of Baptists, Just wanted to know which one you followed in the mix of your explaination.Thanks.
---MIC on 5/7/09|
Andy ... "Eloy, the word Baptist is rather a refferation to their founder Jean-Baptiste... that is why it is called Baptist church. nothing to do with formal sects as the Ana-baptists (rebaptisers)who believed in Adult re-baptism"
Andy ... maybe this is the case with one particular church, or small group of churches.
But Eloy is quite correct about the vast majority of Baptist churches ,,, they are so named because of their beliefs about Believers' Baptism, and a rejection of Infant Baptism
---alan8566_of_UK on 5/7/09|
Eloy, the word Baptist is rather a refferation to their founder Jean-Baptiste... that is why it is called Baptist church. nothing to do with formal sects as the Ana-baptists (rebaptisers)who believed in Adult re-baptism.
you have baptists accepting paedo-baptism, and baptists rejecting
you have baptists baptising in the NAME (jesus and baptists who baptise in the name of the father son and Holy ghost.
---Andy on 5/7/09|
Rob Acts 19:1-6 (King James Version)
1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. continued-
---batieste on 4/30/09|
5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them, and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Rob after Jesus ascended to heaven the covenant changed. and john said that it would. because Jesus died for us and we must go through him, so its commanded that we are baptised in the name of Jesus atfer the day of pentecost occured.Jesus is the lamb slain before the fondation of the world. He was spotless no sin.
---batieste on 4/30/09|
Baltieste, you wrote the Disciples were re-baptized in the name of Jesus. Please show me where this is found in scripture.
The reason I ask is because what you wrote goes against what is written in Ephesians 4:4-7
---Rob on 4/29/09|
continued- well One god, one spirit, and we all receive it the same way. Those disciples were re baptized in the name of Jesus,and they received the holy spirit and spoke in tongues like all the Apostles did. They must have been really humble to have been re baptized, to wear the name of Jesus.
IN Acts 10:44-47 peter said said that the gentiles have received the holy spirit as we have. Speaking in tongues was the proof that Peter recognized when he received the holy spirit.
---batieste on 4/29/09|
put simply, baptist emphasize the necessity of water baptism, as indicative in their title, and pentecostals emphasize the necessity of Holy Spirit baptism indicative in the title which means "fiftieth" in Greek. Pentecost also known as the Feast of Weeks is celebrated on the fiftieth day after the seven complete weeks, that is forty-nine days, after the Passover. It is a celebration of the gift of the first-fruits. This Christian festival is on the seventh Sunday after the Resurrection Day, and celebrates the descent of the Holy Spirit on the believers, the gift of speaking in new tongues, and the bringing-in of new converts.
---Eloy on 4/28/09|
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If you read the book of Acts,you will find that everyone that receives the holy spirit also speaks in tongues as the spirit enables them.It happened on the day of Pentecostal2:1-4, and the Gentiles received it the same way as the Apostles did Acts 10:44-48, and Act 19:1-6 where Paul ask disciples of john if they received the Holy spirit since they believed. my understanding here is that once you do believe you automatically receive the holy spirit. if that were so, why did Paul ask these disciples of John if they received the holy spirit since they believed? continued-
---batieste on 4/28/09|
Andy, thank you for the information. Let me say that the gospel of Christ is what's important. So long as you believe the gospel with all your heart, because that is what makes us a part of the body of Christ. Salvation a gift from Jesus (Romans 6:2,3, And as Scripture states, that all necessary gifts we will need while here, God will give us. Some different then others. Everyone with a purpose and a part to play in this life.
I mentioned that tongues was a subject many get angry on, is correct, they have different interpretations of tongues. Something that was not a problem before Charles Finney exerted his believes shaping American Christianity which became the major historical bridge between early Methodism and modern Pentecostalism.
---MarkV. on 4/28/09|
Bruce: You say the problem is a group that believes that there is only one way to be saved is the problem? No, the problem is people who think that they don't have to follow the instructions God left for us is the problem. Those who think it doesn't take "all that" to be saved those who use their earthly intellect to decipher the Word of God instead of taking it at face value.
The bible gives us clear instructions on how to be saved. Again I quote John 3:5:
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. John (NIV). That is a very clear statement from God himself.
---Shawnie on 4/28/09|
Bruce: God is the Potter and we are the clay, if he says that we are required to be water baptized and to be filled with the Holy Spirit in order to enter His Kingdom, who are we to dispute that? Our flesh may not like all the things that God requires of us, intellectually we may not understand it, but we are still required to obey. God did not say you can pick and choose how to enter into His Kingdom, he said that we MUST be born of the water and of the spirit. "Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life" Matthew 7:14 Remember: Wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction. Matt 7:13
---Shawnie on 4/28/09|
Someone wants to know my affiliation?
oke here it goes im a "joyfully Christian". i belong to the "christian church". we took this name, or rather it was given to us, since Antioch. denominational name is Christian church, church name is Evangelical Mission Flanders, one could say im pentecostal since we believe in thegifts tobe pressentand active.
one couldcall us Apostolic, since we believe in the active office of the Five-fold ministry. one could call us berethren church since webelieve in the active 22 gifts for the saints. you could call us Full baptist since we believ in the office of Bishops and eldersin its biblical context we are Christians since it is Christ alone that saves us.
---Andy on 4/28/09|
Don't forget Full Gospel Baptist, which is a largely black charismatic Baptist demonination.
The only difference between the two is the power of the deacons or Bishops who hold a great deal more power than those in the traditional pentecostal church.
---larry on 4/27/09|
Bruce-- I agree with you 100%!
---Donna66 on 4/27/09|
Yes and your point is well taken.
I was trying to make the point that speaking in tongues (or any other spiritual manifestation I Cor 13) is not evidence of a valid religion/faith/system of belief.
One of the rare times Paul defended his ministry, he did not refer to any manifestations of the spirit but rather said:
2 Timothy 3:10, "But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience"
---Bruce5656 on 4/27/09|
Were Baptists and Pentacostals ONE, at some earlier time.What is a full grown Baptist can a teen be a full grown Baptist or is he still a wee pentacostalist. Andy Are you a pentacostal?.I believe Eloy is pentacostal.
---MIC on 4/27/09|
Usually true pentecostals prefer the term pentecostal movement since it is there for everyone regardless what denomination, i know methodists, baptists, protestants, evangelicals and many other denominational brothers and sisters who speak in tongues and move in the gifts (speaking is the manifestation, as speaking with interpretation is a gift). that's what makes above question verry difficult. one may be a fullgrown baptist and still a "pentecostalist" because you have the manifestation. you can be a pentecostal brother and still reject pentecostalism since you refuse the manifestation (not nessecarely to have not, yet to refuse the manifestation as from God.
---Andy on 4/27/09|
Rob, I dont reject any scriptures at all, You can't except the scriptures for what they are with out adding something to it and twisting the meaning to other than intended. You have even tried to twist Jesus words from John3:5, you are saying a man is baptized from the womb.
Revelation 22:18-19 (King James Version)
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---batieste on 4/27/09|
>>When you have a group that believes "Just us and no one else is saved." You know there is a problem.<<
I heartily agree.
(and I know Mormons supposedly
speak in tongues)
I just want people to know that the term "Pentecostal" Church may refer to more than one denomination.
---Donna66 on 4/26/09|
"Both UPC and other Pentecostals share a belief in a gift of speaking in tongues...otherwise their beliefs and practices have little in common."
It goes far beyond that. Mormons believe in tongues as well.
Satan has a counterfeit for everything good God offers.
UPC and others like them believe no tongues or water baptism, (according to their specific formula) = no salvation.
This is the teaching of a cult which so closely mimics the true Church as to deceive many, who do not look close enough, into thinking that they are a "Christian".
When you have a group that believes "Just us and no one else is saved." You know there is a problem.
---Bruce5656 on 4/26/09|
Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
The Son, the word of God
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.
His word that he gave you, wait by his right side, by which you will be judge. Because you judge, making his word a lie.
The Holy Spirit, the spirit of God.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
How can the flesh which was made sin, talk to God, it can not!
But the spirit which is of him, that he has put inside you, can and does speak to him!
Holy Be Thy Name!
---TheSeg on 4/25/09|
Charleston, you wrote there is no God The Son.
I guess you reject what is written in the following scriptures.
---Rob on 4/25/09|
Batieste, on another blog you said you have been baptized with fire by the Holy Spirit and are Spirit filled. Yet you reject that God is TRIUNE, and you reject the DIETY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
This does not surprise me because there are many other things written is scripture that you reject.
1 John 5:7
God the Father 1 Thessaloians 1:10
God the Son John 2:19-22
God the Spirit Romans 8:11
---Rob on 4/24/09|
It's important to distinguish between the UPC, United Pentecoatal Church, and Pentecostal denominations like Assemblies of God.
The former do not accept the Trinity.
The latter are as Trinitarian as Baptists or any other traditional Christian Church.
Both UPC and other Pentecostals share a belief in a gift of speaking in tongues...otherwise their beliefs and practices have little in common.
---Donna66 on 4/24/09|
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Word was God and God was the Word. Then the Word became flesh. Jesus is God with us.There is no trinity by the way. A made up word by false profits to confuse and twist to try to take glory and praise from Jesus Christ our lord and Savior. to Deny the Jesus is lord would be calling him a liar for revelation22:13 says I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
That sounds like almighty God.
---batieste on 4/24/09|
charleston, to reject trinity is your choice, however trinityteaching does explain manny scriptures that otherwise would be contradicting. few examples
the lord (God) said to the lord (Jesus) admitted it is possible to speak to yourself, even when you are God
sit at my righthand SO HOW will God sit next to God if God is only ONE person? Isaiah 42, 49 and 61.1-4, NT Jesus acknowledges that he is not the same person as the Father. Matt20.23, mark 13.32, john 4.34 & 5.19-31
Intro of John John 1.1-2 & of course 14.
did Jesus pray to himself in ex. Matt26.29. from Gen to Rev i can continue to give examples.this one god one person idea sounds good but brings the entire word in doubt.
---Andy on 4/24/09|
Pentecostals claim they 'speak in tongues' and have an 'edge' on those who don't...such as Baptists.
Baptists claim tongues are not necessary in the 'now', as they were used to affirm the presence and power of the Holy Spirit following the ascension of the Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, our Redeemer and soon -coming King.
---lynda on 4/23/09|
Charleston, one of the essentials of the Christian faith is to believe in the Trinity. All through history from the very beginning of the Church heretics tried to change the deity of Christ. You said, "Jesus says that the Father was in Him doing the works and miracles. Isaiah 9:6" If God the Father was in Jesus doesn't that make both God?
On the other hand God the Father could not say, Jesus is in Me, because Jesus was incarnated in the flesh and God is Spirit. And Jesus stated that He had to leave and the comforter would come who who endwell all believers. And as we know the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't say, I will come back as the Comforter. For Jesus was to be at the right hand of God the Father.
---MarkV. on 4/23/09|
Charleston ... Just coming onto this blog, I don't understand what you ar saying about Jessu.
First yuo say ... "I believe in God the Father, there is no God the Son"
Everything else you say contradicts this ..
"Jesus is the Son of God"
"The Bible declares 1 God, so do I. Jesus is his name"
"Yes on the throne in Revelation you will see 1 God, Jesus"
"Jesus is God period"
Trav ... What do you mesan when you say ... "Again Charleston you confirm the Marriage the second time by GOD. His death is the mark that witnesses his keeping of his own marriage laws"
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/23/09|
Charleston you lost me her, in one blog you say thnat you do not believ in God the son, then you continue to say Jesus is the son of God and in next blog you say Jesus is God.
my question nowIf Jesus is the son of God, and Jesus is God,does that not automatically imply he is God the son? now if the Sirit of God is Gods' spirit, does that not make himautomatically God the Holy Spirit? wetheryou believe in three persons or three expressions of the same.
---Andy on 4/23/09|
Trav, i have know idea what you are trying to say. Verbal gymnastics and philosophy is a waste of time when it come to the Bible. I take Christ seriously so i don't waste time.
---charleston on 4/23/09|
Charleston 'monotheism' isn't in Scripture either!
Titus 2:13 Paul calls Jesus 'Great God & Saviour.'
John 20:28 Thomas calls Jesus 'My Lord and My God' which in the original Greek is rendered 'the Lord of me and the God of me. The Greek here for God is 'ho theos' = 'The God.' Jesus accepted being called God.
Hebrews ch.1 God calls Jesus Lord & God.
Acts 5:3-4, Ananias & Sapphira lied to the Holy Spirit, Peter says they lied to God!
Matt.12: 31-32 'Whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come".
Can anyone blaspheme a force?
The Son of God = God the Son, part of the Godhead.
---warwick on 4/23/09|
That terminology is not in the Bible. Jesus is the Son of God, and you don't find God the Holy Spirit in the Bible either. You also wont find the term God in 3 persons. The Bible declares 1 God, so do I. Jesus is his name. Yes on the throne in Revelation you will see 1 God, Jesus.
---charleston on 4/21/09
Stated Nicely. What is not stated is only additional witness to what is stated. I have found wonderful witness answers by what is absent next to what is.
Again Charleston you confirm the Marriage the second time by GOD. His death is the mark that witnesses his keeping of his own marriage laws.
---Trav on 4/22/09|
Warick, I believe in God the Father, there is no God the Son. That terminology is not in the Bible. Jesus is the Son of God, and you don't find God the Holy Spirit in the Bible either. You also wont find the term God in 3 persons. The Bible declares 1 God, so do I. Jesus is his name. Yes on the throne in Revelation you will see 1 God, Jesus. Revelation 4 declares this. Colossian says IN CHRIST dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. The scriptures say in 2 Cor 5:19 that God was in Christ... Jesus says that the Father was in him doing the works and miracles. Isaiah 9:6 speaking of the prophesied Messiah that his name would be called Wonderful, Counsellor(Comforter), Mighty God, Everlasting FATHER, and Prince of Peace. Jesus is God period.
---charleston on 4/21/09|
Charleston, I have read it again and cannot make sense of it. You appear to accept that Jesus is God but don't accept the Trinity.
Now Scripture teaches about God the Son, but also God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. People are to be baptized into the name of all three.
Do you believe God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spitit are one God? If so that is Trinity. One God in three indivisible persons. Jesus is not 1/3 of the trinity, he is 100%, as are the others. When we make it to heaven we won't see three Gods sitting on a wide throne, but one.
If The Father and The Holy Spirit are not part of the Godhead what are they?
---Warwick on 4/21/09|
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Warick, it is obvious that you did not read the scriptures that I put in my reply. The first scripture is talking about Jesus. I'm going to assume you didn't understand my reply. Jesus is the true God and eternal life.
---charleston on 4/21/09|
Google books preview of, End Time Delusions by Steve Wohlberg.
Why not just recommend a source than go doctoring it? Perhaps then a book discussion will ensue...
---Nana on 4/10/09|
MarkV, you know what was the best part, that up yo his trial Martin Luther atually thought he was going to ghet the support of the pope, and the vatian since he was basing himself on sola sriptura, he dreamed that the vatian was going to lead these renewal of Gods spirit, little did he know that God actually chose him to gathr a remnant. nevertheless when one sees the truth about God on can not do anything else but to glorify His name.
---Andy on 4/10/09|
Andy, I am glad you are not in that group of people. History tells us that in the fourth century, during the time of Constantine, a large portion of the Church compromised key Biblical Truths and decided to line up with the Roman State. Church leaders sought pomp and worldly glory. Leaving the Heavenly "power of the Holy Spirit" (Rom. 15:13). They relied on earthly power of politics and goverment. As more traditions came in, Europe eventually became engulfed in the Dark Ages. Terrible things were happening in the name of Jesus. It was not until the 1500's that a group of sincere Catholics wanting to make a change that started the Reformation. The one point most important was Justification by faith alone.
---MarkV. on 4/10/09|
Andy 2. Initially, this sincere Catholics had no thought of leaving the Mother Church but simply wanted to redirect their Catholic brothers away from the traditions of men and to lead them back to the pure Truths of the Word. Their main goal was to lead other sinners like themselves to stop trusting their own works for salvation and to have simple faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible says, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved" Acts 16:31. And also, "By grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast" and "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ"
---MarkV. on 4/10/09|
MarkV, it is true that many churches have begun their own work and grace doctrines because they could not understand Gods love to the full, which is a pity. our church however teaches that whatever we do nothing is good enough to ghet saved. and i feel quite excellent with that, all i do for God is born out of my gratitude towards Him, and no longer because i know i gonna ghet a reward. many years ago i was worshipping God in that way, trying to earn the greatest crown anyone immagines. until God kicked me in the but.
---Andy on 4/10/09|
So Charleston is Jesus God or not? If not, why? By Scripture please.
---Warwick on 4/9/09|
I'm Pentecostal Apostolic. Baptist believe in God in 3 persons. I can't find this doctrine in the Bible. God's a Spirit. God is Holy. So God is a Holy Spirit. Basically 3 person in Bible doesn't appear (Col 2:8-9). Man using his understanding to explain God. Next, the baptism formula in the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, was never used in early church history (Acts 2,8,10,19,22:16) Next, Holy Spirit come with tongues (Acts 2,10,19, Paul in 1 Cor 14)not when you believe (see Acts 8:14-16,19 1-4). Salvation or being borned again is just like Jesus said, "Water and Spirit" not just mental acknowledgment of Christ(Titus 3:5). True belief is obedience. Pentecostal Apostolic doctrine obeys the Word not just quote it like the Baptist.
---Charleston on 4/9/09|
you are right dancing dose not save you,but GOD like to be praised.
God likes singing,dancing,shouting in praise toward him.
The scripture didnt say for only the baptist sing, only pentacoatals shout.
there is No denomination concerning the bible. 1 GOD 1 faith.
I dont believe that scripture ask if you wanted to do sing or dance. It was more like a comand.
singing and dancing is not for us its for God. The scripture says its for Gods delight. You are humble when you danceand sing to the Lord.
just obey the bible you will be fine.
---batieste on 4/9/09|
There are many man-made differences but only one God we serve. The differences come in the way man chooses to serve God. Praise and worship is different. The music and programs are different also.The order of the services. But we should all have basic Christian beliefs in common.Does not matter the denomination. Denominations save no one.That is not important.Being born again(salvation) is the key point and letting God control our lives on a daily basis.This is important.
---Robyn on 4/8/09|
In this age there is not much difference in both denominations concerning salvation. Most all Pentecostals and some Baptist teach that salvation is by faith and works. Many Baptist churches are teaching that now. A doctrine that began in the RCC.
The main difference now is concerning the gifts. Tongues, healing, and the force, to claim it and have it.
Concerning the music, it is wonderful to hear and very emotional. But faith comes from hearing the word of God, not by listening to music. What is the use for someone to have a good time at church and not be saved?
No one can bring someone to Christ by putting the people in a trance. Faith comes from hearing, hearing the word of God.
---MarkV. on 4/8/09|
david danced, when the ark returned he danced and twirled. why did he do that? becuase he was praising god he was filled with joy.
1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker,
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp.
4 For the LORD takes delight in his people,
he crowns the humble with salvation.
5 Let the saints rejoice in this honor
and sing for joy on their beds.
---batieste on 3/16/09|
jarod, the problem is that many people dont know how to use scriptures, not really understanding them. what you put out there has NOTHING to with with this subject at all.
the bible says to praise the lord with music and dance to rejoyce and sing aloud.
god dwells in the mist of priase..and that what he likes.
I know some churches are to proud to sing and dance. they arent humblenot like what the scriptures call for.
when you are happy, the spirit moves you. you cant contain yourself. god has done too much for us to stand still and be silent. he gave the ultmiate scariface. he saved us from hell. be happy rejoyce
---batieste on 3/16/09|
Please tell me where in the bible does it have anyone runnng or anything like that in the bible. and tounges in the greek means foreign language, paul said: when i was a child i SPOKE as a child, but when i became a man i put away childish things.
---Jarrod on 2/5/09|
In the time I have been saved, baptist churches tend to pick and choose which parts of the bible they will abide by. **
But Pentecostals do as well. ALL pop-evangelicals pick and choose from the Bible.
---Jack on 3/6/08|
In the time I have been saved, baptist churches tend to pick and choose which parts of the bible they will abide by. Pentecostal churches have a stricter standard of holiness, and it seems to slack in baptist churches. That's why there is a difference between baptist and full gospel baptist...
---william on 3/5/08|
It seems to me you can learn a lot in the bible in the Baptist Churches. However, the Pentecostal Churches I have attended to does not seem to be as deep in God's Word. There is a great deal of confusion about the gift of tongues. Some things, I find unscriptural. However, I have met many wonderful Christians in both churches. We all need to study God's Word and follow Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
---Mike on 2/2/08|
im a baptist pastor who now proudly wears the label of bapticostal,, our church belives in worshiping in spirit and in truth ,, praise and shouting ,dancing,running, are all welcome , the only place i see were diffret from pentecostals ,,are the wa we pratice tounges in service,, by course,,,
---joe on 1/26/08|
Blessings to all, I attend an independent Baptist Church, and I do not believe in three Gods, but from what I have learned about the Godhead is that we serve ond God and the Trinity is three person's. Three in one God, so to speak. What is Penescostal oneness? I have heard this, but do not understand what it is. Any insights from anyone? God Bless!
---Cynthia on 11/9/07|
Most pentecostals seem too legalistic, pride in their Spirit gifts and into money and tithes. Baptists seem more into the good news(gospel) I just hear more Gospel and love in Baptist Churches. BUT Im not a member of neither.
Give me the Gospel of Jesus Christ in word and song and Im a happy camper in my soul and spirit. Which Church? Hard to find in these days.
---duane on 11/9/07|
My take, "Put two Baptist in one room with one Bible and what you will get is three opinions"
"Put a 1,000 pentacostls in one room with one Bible and one opinion will come out, if one of the 1,000 is a pastor."
---MikeM on 11/8/07|
this is a trick of Satan divide and conquer my brothers and sisters we spend to much time trying to prove each denomination wrong when this dying world knows not that Christ is the truth and life...death burial resurrection is the key confess with the mouth and believe in the HEART (this is Biblical) and do not allow Satan to divide us anymore God Bless You and I love you all and there is nothing you can do about it
---sheedy on 11/8/07|
saved baptist, spirit baptised later. some asked about my new zeal for service and witness, i said, it was the spirit baptism! All pentecostal DO NOT believe in tongues as initial evidence for spiritbapstism and definetely not for salvation! all do believe this gift should be expected. read JACK HAYfORD. receiving spirit at salvation is not being filled with the spirit ! the biggest problem we have!! doctrinal pride.
---tim on 11/1/07|
I'm guessing but I think Betty may be oneness.
Baptist believe in the triune God and so do pentcostals except 'Oneness' / Jesus only
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 15:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
---Andrea on 9/25/07|
Betty * Baptist believe there are three gods*
Which Baptist [group]? I have yet to see one who believe in three gods. Both Baptist and Pentecostals believe in the Holy Trinity.
---Ramon on 9/25/07|
You are incorrect. Both believe in one God, they call it the Godhead or Trinity. Look at most of the churches websites and doctrines about God. The only one that is different is Apostolics. They fail to distinguish between The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Baptist and most Pentecostals believe like the Apostles concerning this. Please get an understanding before you give false information.
---Chris on 9/25/07|
Babtist belive there are three gods Pentecostal's belive there is one God over in the old testrment God said he know's no's other god the new testement Jesus said when you see me you have seen the Father God was spirt he robed his self in flesh and begain the man Jesus Christ He died and he said he would send back a comforter which was his spirit He was all man and he was all God.So Father Son and Holy Ghost are one.
---Betty on 9/25/07|
The main difference between Baptist and Pentecostal denominations vary according to the various pentecostal denominations. Baptist do not put emphasis on speaking in tongues as evidence of being saved, neither do the Apostles (read 1 John).
Love is the true sign of being saved because God is love.
The baptist are more biblically sound and accurate in their doctrine. I have alternated between the two for years. My job requires me to relocate and I continually must find a new church home.
---Chris on 9/24/07|
Ac 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Thank God for his Holy Son!
---trey on 9/24/07|
trey, I also am of an independant Baptist denomination, and I agree that there are many different denominations, but we all worship the same God. As long as we believe that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, and that He came into this world to pay the price and redeem us, and to save us that is what is most important. God is looking at the heart and He knows all.
---Cynthia on 9/19/07|
Just like any denomination there are bad that think if you don't believe what they believe you are wrong and going to hell. There are bad in both.
I was told by a Catholic that I have to go to a priest to have my sins forgiven. I beg to differ and that is biblical. I asked them to show me where and they could not.
Some just parrot what they have been told without any study or research.
---denna7667 on 9/16/07|