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Eat His Flesh For Eternal Life

Do we have to eat his Flesh or drink his blood to have Eternal life? Yes or No

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First, the Catholics believe that getting baptize they are born again, and one in body with Christ. Then they believe eating Christ flesh every Sunday at mass when they crucify Him again and again will save them again and again every time they eat Him. Then they believe that doing works of righteousness they are saved again. Then they believe they go to purgatory to be cleaned and purified again just in case the other three didn't do the job. As they speak they go further from the Truth.
One thing is clear, Christ death on the cross was not sufficient enough for their salvation. That is why they don't believe in Justification by faith alone in Christ alone. Not many know who they are in Christ. No one makes it clear to them.
---Mark_V. on 8/21/08


In the book of John Jesus admits speaking figuratively. John 16:25.
---Kenny on 8/20/08



In the book of John Jesus speaks literlly. John 6:55
---Ruben on 8/20/08


****Kathrn::IF you say you live in Christ you would Understand and Partake as is professed in JN6***

MIC, I partake of the Crucified life with Christ. I live by the faith of Christ....no longer I but CHRIST IN ME.....that is sufficient for God to sup with me and I with Him, as HE supplies that Hidden Manna personally through my mystical union with Him.

Sorry but that wasn't available in the OT.

---kathr4453 on 8/20/08


Kathrn::IF you say you live in Christ you would Understand and Partake as is professed in JN6.But your statement God does not look at the stomach proves you do not understand Jesus message"He who eats my Body and Drinks my Blood I live in Him and He in Me".Therefore you are under the shadow of Jn6.66.This significant number disproves your statement .
---MIC on 8/20/08


In the book of John Jesus admits speaking figuratively. John 16:25.
---Kenny on 8/20/08




****Kathrn::You are still living in the OT which was a forerunner of what was to come ***

MIC, you are not paying attention...I am not in the OT and don't live there either. I live IN CHRIST. However many here ARE, and if I need scripture in the OT to point to Christ Himself...that is not living int eh OT.....

Nicole, who seems to think because Israel ate the flesh of the lamb and that is what spares live BECAUSE JEWS HAVE BEEN DOING FOR 1000 + YEARS.... is a perfect example of someone living in the OT.

If Catholics believe God is looking at the digestive system, and seeing Jesus flesh in them, and that is what is saving them is beyond ridiculous.

.....God looks at your heart...not your stomach.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/08


****Jewish people did not have to eat the flesh of the lamb?****

Kenny, this is how people start unnecessary arguments...by leaving OFF the rest of a person's sentence.

I did not say what you said.....I added , TO BE SPARED LIFE.

It was the BLOOD God saw, and PASSEDOVER THEM.....not Lamb digested in the stomach.

There is no record of Abel eating roasted lamb, or Rahab's family eating roasted lamb.

To say that eating the Lamb is what saves is a distortion of Salvation and what it means to eat my flesh and drink my blood.

ALL represent something OF CHRIST.....not something WE DO for Salvation.

YOU think by what YOU DO, you are saving yourselves.

Wrong!





---kathr4453 on 8/19/08


Karen,
Here's another example of no understanding, and a long explanation which is completely untrue. The meaning in these verses is that Jesus is the nourishment of faith, and baptism of the Holy Spirit, not communion, is the only way to eternal life in heaven.
---Kenny on 8/19/08


Yes Karen you are right. We need His body and blood contained in the veil of Bread and wine, to sustain us to eventually be like Him as He says "He who eats my body and drinks my blood shall have life EVERLASTING"a promise for obedience in this belief contained in JN6'The living bread" a message for ALL, take it or leave it, those who cannot understand are given the option to seek.Those who Flatly deny are cojoined in the verseJN6,66, what a coincidence or was it a message left by our Creator for all times. Take it for your detriment or Betterment.God in His wisdom knows best.No one can outthink the LORD.
---MIC on 8/19/08


Kathrn::You are still living in the OT which was a forerunner of what was to come .These, prophecies have beem fulfilled by the coming death and resurrection of Jesus.Drink the blood of the New covenant, by believing in Him in JN6.He who eats my body and drinks my blood "I live in Him/Her and he/she in me."
---MIC on 8/19/08




yes we have to eat his flesh! we have to wlk what the breaking of His body means for us. He was beaten for our peace and He was wipped so that we may be healed. Isa 53:1-6. and when we drink His blood we are excepting the new covenant. our inheratiance!!!!!! Praise God!!! He came, walked, was tempted, overcame temptation, was beaten and killed all so that we could chose what He did on cross now we can walk in the same power that raised Christ from the dead. we are, {if we eat the bread, word, his body, and drink his blood the forgiveness} Brothers and sisters of Christ, he was the first to be raised from the dead! as soon as we eat and drink, God breaths life into our dry Bones and we are made alive with Christ! partakers of the new covenante!
---Karen on 8/19/08


I would put NO, but I am not allowed. By the way that scripture has been misunderstood!
---catherine on 8/19/08


Nicole, here is the real meaning of Passover, and our identification with Christ.

(This one is not easily swallowed)

The passover lamb, after being bled to death, was to be roasted with fire. Fire = the wrath of God. The vengeance and wrath of God, which we deserve, Christ endured it for us.

They must take some of the blood and smear it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of every house in which they eat the lamb. On that night they shall eat the flesh, roasted on the fire, they shall eat it with unleavened cakes and bitter herbs.

Bitter Herbs:
That I may KNOW Him and the fellowship of HIS SUFFERING

Again: (This ones not easily swallowed)


---kathr4453 on 8/19/08


Kathr,
Jewish people did not have to eat the flesh of the lamb? Are you kidding? You obviously have never read the Old Testament. The Passover meal of a lamb without blemish was directly related to Christs' Crucifixion.
---Kenny on 8/19/08


His flesh is the Word of God, his blood, is the wine of the Spirit. Thru the experience of the Lords Supper, or Holy Communion, we remember him, until he comes back. We are saved thru faith,---gayla

Jesus states John 6:55
"For my Flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink."

Thru the experience of Holy Communion
John 6:56 "Whoever eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood remains in Me and I him."

But you decreased this Union to rememberance?

Where in the Bible is 'His Blood, is the wine of the Spirit?'

I only recall Jesus stating We are Saved by Baptism Mark 16:16 and Eating His Flesh.
John 6:51,54,58.

Jesus' Word only. Show me in the Bible Where Jesus states only Faith Saves?
---Nicole on 8/18/08


When Peter confessed that Jesus is the Christ, Jesus said to Peter, "flesh and blood has not revealed this to you," in Matthew 16:17. I see, from this, that "flesh and blood" can be an expression for humans as one's means.

So, when Jesus says to eat His flesh and drink His blood, I can see that His flesh and His blood can mean *His* means which is more and better than human flesh and blood capability. And Jesus Christ's own means is His grace in the Holy Spirit >

"My grace is sufficient for You" (in 2 Corinthians 12:9) > His means is His grace sufficient for all we go through.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/18/08


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Nicole, no where in scripture does it say crucify your sins.


{What part of Galatian 5:24 do you not understand? Galatian is in the Bible.
'Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified THEIR FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES.


Without the shedding of BLOOD there is no forgivness.

{Jesus? His blood was shed.}

To eat my flesh and drink my blood means...I AM crucified with Christ..raised up together with Him...No longer I but Christ in Me..Christ IN YOU is the OVERCOMER!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/18/08

Now, your last comment isn't in the Bible as you have it.
You took out bits and parts of verses and added together to fit your idea of how the Bible should be.

That's bold!
---Nicole on 8/18/08


Jewish people DID NOT have to eat the flesh of the lamb to be spared life.---kathr4453

Exodus 12:8 they shall eat its roasted flesh with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
V 24 You shall observe this as a PERPETUAL ORDINANCE FOR YOURSELVES AND YOUR DESCENDANTS.
V 27 Israelites went and did as the Lord had commanded.

Do you think God was making a suggestion to the Jewish people?
After killing this lamb, you can eat the lamb if you wish.

1000's of yrs the Jewish people are stilling eating the lamb as Passover.

Then Jesus is the Sacrifice Lamb at Passover.
John 6:54 Jesus is saying you have to eat My Flesh for eternal life.

Both God and Jesus are demanding their people to eat just for the fun of it?
---Nicole on 8/18/08


**If you belong to Christ Jesus you have crucified your sins.

We have original sin.
Jesus has not sin, thats why He is the Sacrificial Lamb.
Jewish people had to eat the lamb during Passover to be spared life. Not eat their own flesh. **


Nicole, no where in scripture does it say crucify your sins.

Our OLD MAN is Crucified with Christ..SIN never dies...our old man ..(adam 1) is crucified with Christ.

Jewish people DID NOT have to eat the flesh of the lamb to be spared life.

Without the shedding of BLOOD there is no forgivness.

To eat my flesh and drink my blood means...I AM crucified with Christ..raised up together with Him...No longer I but Christ in Me..Christ IN YOU is the OVERCOMER!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/18/08


His flesh is the Word of God, his blood, is the wine of the Spirit. Thru the experience of the Lords Supper, or Holy Communion, we remember him, until he comes back. We are saved thru faith, the Word builds faith,and directs, the Spirit draws our spirits into union with him.
---gayla on 8/17/08


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Kathr4453, Galatian 5:24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified THEIR FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES.
Since we live by the Spirit, let us follow the spirit's lead.

Jesus' Divinity did not die on the Cross. His Flesh died.

If you belong to Christ Jesus you have crucified your sins.

We have original sin.
Jesus has not sin, thats why He is the Sacrificial Lamb.
Jewish people had to eat the lamb during Passover to be spared life. Not eat their own flesh. They are not sinless to be an acceptable sacrifice for God.

Eat only Jesus' Crucified Flesh not our crucified sin.

Do not compare our person with Jesus' Nature.
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Connecting sin with the Spirit of God.
---Nicole on 8/16/08


Ruben,
John 6:53-58 He refers to Himself as bread and the bread is his flesh. John 15 He also refers to Himself as the Vine. I stand by what I've said, hoping to open the eyes and minds to those who wish to see and understand. If you're unwilling, than I can't help you.
---Ken on 8/15/08


Romans 6:5
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death,we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Has your FLESH been crucified WITH Christ..eating THAT flesh??

Galatians 5..Those who are Christs HAVE Crucified the flesh!!!

1 Peter 1:2-4
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,



Hebrews 13:20/21..Romans 8:11-13
---kathr4453 on 8/15/08


Mic, without realizing it, you gave the answer to your own question. "Man does not live by bread alone" here's what you said, "Man does not live by bread alone" you believe that Jesus turns to a piece of bread, and you believe it is His flesh on Sundays, and now you give a passage which contradicts what you believe. You argue against what you yourself state, "but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" Don't you get it? By every word that comes from God, the Truth of the gospel. A life in Jesus Christ by faith in God's Word, you have life. Is it so hard to understand? You yourself know the Truth but argue against the Truth. Because you don't believe what you stated from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 8/15/08


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Jesus was not using a figure of speech, nor was it a parable:
Matthew 25:44: "Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
Whatever we do, we must be conscious that it is done personally unto the Lord per his own words.
---Nana on 8/15/08


Why does everyone make scripture so difficult? God came to us in the flesh to make things simple, yet we still make it difficult. When Jesus speaks of eating His flesh it's used fuguratively. He is the nourishment of your faith, soul, and spirit. Did He turn the bread to flesh, or the wine to blood? Wake up people!
---Ken on 8/12/08



Simple huh? " Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying, who can hear it?"(Jhn 6:60)

"For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."(Jhn 6:55) Where is the figuratively in this verse?
---Ruben on 8/14/08


Ken ::You are wrong as your Faith is weak.Remenber what Jesus told Satan ."Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of GOD. Mat4:4--Now read the living Bread Jn6.If you desire Eternal life.!
---MIC on 8/14/08


Why does everyone make scripture so difficult? God came to us in the flesh to make things simple, yet we still make it difficult. When Jesus speaks of eating His flesh it's used fuguratively. He is the nourishment of your faith, soul, and spirit. Did He turn the bread to flesh, or the wine to blood? Wake up people!
---Ken on 8/12/08


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believe in Jesus 's words Only!
The Father said "Listen to Him"
The Blessed Mother said " Do whatever He tells you!"

Clearly when Jesus's says something you must do it. The last supper was a clear example.

John 6:52,53,54,56-The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves-saying,How can this Man give us His flesh to eat? Jesus said to them, Most assuredly-I say to you-unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life-and I will raise him up at the last day. Follow Him> Jesus ordered-commanded in His exact footsteps.

Believe!
---paul on 8/9/08


Josef::I am glad for you! We will all know in the final analysis, if we trod the right Path,to His heavenly Kingdom.Blessings.
---MIC on 8/8/08


Eloy:: Merely saying "Ruben you speak Falsehood"' Could you please explain why and what is False in The words of Jesus or Ruben.?as nothing is proclaimed by Your condemnation which just expresses disdain.
---MIC on 8/8/08


.ruben, you speak falsehood, and you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 8/8/08


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"This is not a mind set game if you want to be a genuine Player"
Mic you are quite correct, it is not a game, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, Who being in the 'form' (nature) of God, thought it not 'robbery' (as something to be taken by force) to be 'equal' (similar in kind) with God. But made of Himself no reputation, and took upon Himself the form [mental disposition] of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death." Knowing that I too have been offered the empowerment to embrace this same 'mindset' and to rest in the power of God, has given me peace.
---Josef on 8/8/08


Eloy said : Jesus even spelled this saying out for his disciples that had trouble discerning what he meant by his words, eat my flesh and drink my blood, which are spiritual. Jesus says: "Does this offend you? The Spirit whom makes being alive, the flesh profits not nothing: the words which I talk to you, are spirit and life, stands." John 6:61,63


The word Spirit is "Never" use symobolic in scripture, so which words are spirit and life "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed."(John 6:54-55)
---Ruben on 8/6/08


Eloy::Did not Jesus say at the last supper, after breaking the loaf of bread He gave Thanksand said "Take EAT THIS IS MY BODY"similarly He took the cup gave thanks and said "DRINK from it ALL of you for this is my Blood of the new Covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins". Do you belong to the new covenant?, recorded in all 4 gospels.Is this ACTION or reenacment not a remembrance of Him. or is it a 'thought action' as you suggest.Please read all 4 gospels.Christ's LAST supper, which is the Institution of the Blessed Eucharist--UCHRIST
---MIC on 8/6/08


No person has ever eaten nor has ever been able to eat nor drink Jesus Christ at his last passover supper. There is no truth to this misconceived delusion. Jesus even spelled this saying out for his disciples that had trouble discerning what he meant by his words, eat my flesh and drink my blood, which are spiritual. Jesus says: "Does this offend you? The Spirit whom makes being alive, the flesh profits not nothing: the words which I talk to you, are spirit and life, stands." John 6:61,63. According to the scripture, we partake, IN REMEMBRANCE, of Christ. Please Read- Luke 22:17-20.
---Eloy on 8/6/08


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Josef:: The gift is there but it is not Yours if you do not Partake.This is not a mind set game if you want to be a genuine Player.May His peace be with you if you are willing to submit to HIS WILL, NOT yours.
---MIC on 8/5/08


John 6:35 Informs man that Jesus is the bread of life. His tangible presence on earth represented a man whose human nature was submitted to the will and purpose of the Father. A mind raised beyond its carnal passions through the yoke destroying, burden removing power of God. A mindset embracing and revealing the restorative life of God, through the renewing regeneration of the Holy Spirit.
John 6:53 Informs man that unless man is willing to submit to and partake of the nature and mindset Jesus displayed,
---Josef on 8/3/08



Josef, the difference between v35 and 53 is this, from v 50-55 Jesus uses the word eat v50, flesh v51 and blood v53
---Ruben on 8/4/08


John 6:35 Informs man that Jesus is the bread of life. His tangible presence on earth represented a man whose human nature was submitted to the will and purpose of the Father. A mind raised beyond its carnal passions through the yoke destroying, burden removing power of God. A mindset embracing and revealing the restorative life of God, through the renewing regeneration of the Holy Spirit.
John 6:53 Informs man that unless man is willing to submit to and partake of the nature and mindset Jesus displayed, and imbibe or absorb into his mind the reconciliation of man to the Father, possible only through His atoning sacrifice for man, he would remain void of the vitality offer him, as an empowered capacity for growth and development in Christ.
---Josef on 8/3/08


yes. Jesus said so. How can you deny Jesus's word?
John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:56
He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
---Paul on 7/30/08


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"Do we have to eat his Flesh or drink his blood to have Eternal life? " No.
Eternal life is His Gift. This is Eternal life "That we may know Him, The great "I AM that I AM" the only true God, and Jesus, The Christ, whom He has sent." Jesus has been given 'power' -authority- over all flesh, so that He should give eternal life to as many as the Father has given Him. Eternal life is a result of He what has done in, for and through us, there is nothing we can do or could have done to earn or merit it.
---Josef on 7/26/08


John 6:51 I am the living bread that came down from Heaven, whoever eats this bread will live forever, and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

V 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will raise him on the last day.

V 57 the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.

How can you say no? Can't you come up with more of an answer that is opposite of Jesus?

But, you will take the passage saying

"Call no man father." This one you take literally.

I just do not understand some of you.
---Nicole on 7/25/08


No. They only way to receive eternal life is through Jesus Christ. "Eating His flesh and drinking His blood" is for symbolic reasons. It is to help us remember what He did for us on the cross.
---Debbie on 7/24/08


Rueben,

Jesus gave the example at the passover while he was with his disciples.

John laid his head on his bosom.
He didn't gnaw on his arm.

The communion of bread and wine can be seen when David gave his brethren flesh and wine. A prophetic symbolism through types and shadows of the new testament in the blood and body of Christ.
The same types and shadows are seen with Melchezidec and Abraham.

That new covenant was prophesied before Christ walked the earth.

Frank
---Frank on 9/9/07


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Frank-
.
He is not that bread and wine.
The bread and wine are sybolic of the breaking of his body and shedding of his blood.

Frank


He also said "plainly"
"My flesh is real food and My blood is real drink"
"This is My body"
" This bread is my Flesh"
" Whoever eat my Flesh and drinks my blood I will raise up on the last day"
" This is my blood"
---Ruben on 9/7/07


No,but we should partake of the symbolism(Communion) as often as we can. It is a very humbling and loving experience. The juice symbolizes his blood and the bread(wafer) symbolizes Jesus' body. If done correctly, it strengthens you,spiritually,it humbles you and moves you to another level in Christ. You experience a piece of Heaven on Earth.
---Robyn on 9/7/07


Andrea::Yes He is the living water,the living Bread by His Command"This is my Body"we are invited to recieve our saviour bodily. He lives in us,exists with us, we are one with Him,"I live in Him as he in Me"such a God who ensures us our purity of excellence, if only we trust,believe.what an assurance to salvation in this wicked world.This GOD of Pure love entreats us come to me "I THIRST", we deny- as though its a scam-what a shame .oh ungrateful man
---Emcee on 9/6/07


Andrea, Jesus did not say that He was the water in the well.

Jeremiah 2:13 shows that God is the fountain of living waters, but He was speaking metaphorically, as was Jesus later in John 4:10-15, He was referring to something more than literal water but the woman was confused. This term appears again in John 7:38-39, and the term is clarified to mean the Holy Spirit.
---lorra8574 on 9/6/07


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Andrea P2: But in John 6, we do have metaphors and spiritual discussions, but also something literal. When the hearers were repulsed by Christ's graphic descriptions, He did not give an explanation to show that it was a metaphor - instead we have the following:

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." (John 6:53).

He goes on further and does not change His position.
---lorra8574 on 9/6/07


I see no flesh eating or blood drinking here.

John 3:15-16 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Just a couple of examples.
---denna7667 on 9/6/07


Let me put this plainly.
He said do this in rememberance of me.
He is not that bread and wine.
The bread and wine are sybolic of the breaking of his body and shedding of his blood.
In rememberance we take communion.
Remembering he is the true bread from heaven.
Remembering the new testament is the covenant in his blood that was shed.
Frank
---Frank on 9/6/07


Emcee,
James, who carried on the ministry said that faith without works is dead.
Frank
---Frank on 9/6/07


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Also, Paul said we should be careful to continue in good works and Jesus said that if we let our light shine men would see our good works and glorify God.
Frank
---Frank on 9/6/07


Jesus refers to Himself as living water.....does that mean He miracuolously appears in water? JN4:10

In as much as He was in the water at the well - He is also in the bread and wine - spiritually and quite literally bc He enters us and communes with us in the process of salvation, regeneration etc
In this sense we who partake in communion also partake of the blood shed for us - of the body given for us.
---andrea on 9/6/07


Frank ::In JN12:44-50there is a summary of Jesus teachings.Having a strong Faith is not the only Requirement. There are other beliefs as laid out in the doctrines of HIS CHURCH Matt16:17-19 These are to be followed Read the summary.Jesus is god when God speaks we as Humans LISTEN.HIS way none else.
---Emcee on 9/6/07


Frank, Jesus is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks. I would put forth that just as the Greeks (intellectuals) scoff at the idea of one rising from the dead, they would scoff even more at the idea that bread and wine could be the real flesh and blood of Our Lord and yet still look like bread and wine. The only way to accept this is through faith, not intellect. Jesus says it quite plainly but reading is not enough - in John 6, many heard it from His own lips and yet turned away.
---lorra8574 on 9/6/07


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Cindy,

You will find that the scriptures plainly show that the accuser of the brethren is the devil who also is a liar and the father of all liars.

You will also find that I use scripture to back what I say.

Your time talking about others as a talebearer (one who left their first love) would be better spent at the beauty parlor or maybe having a brunch.

Proverbs lists those who stir up dissention among the brethren as abominable you lady.

Frank
---Frank on 9/6/07


Tim (Cindy)

You are really showing that lack discernment of spirits. Since you go by what you see you think people are getting mad. (Cindy's speel told us all about that)

I'm not mad. Just amused with your childishness.

The truth is that you haven't contributed with scripture and have only caused dissention and tried to antagonize people like a spoiled school-girl.

Your time would be better spent painting your toenails.


Frank
---Frank on 9/6/07


Ruben,
Maybe my wording was poor but that's what I meant. The cross and him being the true bread. Communion of bread and wine. You stated the same thing. Just better.
May God bless.
Frank
---Frank on 9/5/07


Frank-
#1 The Lord said except we eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no life within us. That was the spiritual reference to the communion of the body Not his physical flesh and blood


So when Jesus said John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." That was a spiritual reference of his body on the cross?
---Ruben on 9/5/07


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The reason why nonbelievers of other denominations do not understand this particular doctrine is because they do not have divine Faith, which springs from divine revelation.most others apply naturalrevalation.Hence the difference in understanding.
---Emcee on 9/5/07


The reason why nonbelievers of other denominations do not understand this particular doctrine is because they do not have divine Faith, which springs from divine revelation.most others apply naturalrevalation.Hence the difference in understanding.
---Emcee on 9/5/07


Lorra,

What does the strength of my faith have to do with the spiritual things of God.

I would think that it is pretty strong. But I won't brag.

Frank
---Frank on 9/5/07


Frank Mima Andrea...
but let's go back to the source - Linda.
All of you become equally angry, I will give you that much.
And the argument, "we're using Scripture".
How do you justify lying - what Scriptures do you have to back that one up?
---Tim on 9/4/07


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Mima, you go ahead and e-mail your boat.
That would be great, Rachel Reiter.
---Tim on 9/4/07


Mima, the Eucharist is the risen Lord in all of His Glory. No one robbed His tomb.

It is a matter of Faith. The unbelievers turned away from Jesus when He told them that they would eat His flesh. For the believers it is a Mystery but have faith in Christ to accomplish this.

The Last Supper is all that many here say that it is, and more. It is spiritual, commemorative, and truly our Paschal Feast.
---lorra8574 on 9/4/07


Frank, bread and wine as offered by Malchizedek, were the shadow of the flesh and blood Eucharistic. Yes the Eucharist is symbolic and spiritual and real - most of all, it is a mystery. Some found it hard to take and they left. The question is how strong is your faith?
---lorra8574 on 9/4/07


I most certainly was!!! In fact I plan to make a copy of your e-mail and send it to my old boat. Which was the 8400 hp M/V Sally Archer. I find this entire conversation wildly funny. Not only did I work on the Mississippi, on one of the largest boats, I was considered a very good pilot. 30 Barges From St. Louis to Cairo, add five more barges, and 35 Barges From Cairo to New Orleans.--- throw off the lines boys lets go south. River talk for your information.
---Mima on 9/4/07


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#1 The Lord said except we eat his flesh and drink his blood we have no life within us. That was the spiritual reference to the communion of the body and blood of Christ with the bread and wine. Not his physical flesh and blood but a spiritual communion through the types and shadows of the wine and bread.
So, in the spiritual sense, yes, we must.
The word is Spirit and life.
Carnally, no it is not his flesh and blood.
Frank
---Frank on 9/4/07


Tim the detective ... but who is he?
---alan_of_UK on 9/4/07


#2 Tim,
I have reviewed your posts and amazingly find no scripture to glorify Jesus in either the natural or deeper spiritual matters.
The majority are just stirring up contention and making accusations about who is who.

Kind of like Cindy.

Interesting,... very... interesting!

But you have a good day Cindy dear!

Frank
---Frank on 9/4/07


Obviously you do not know what Eternal life is or how to get it. In the first place you wait on God. And in the second place, it is the Blood of Christ that saves and cleanest sin. The Blood that Jesus shedd on the cross.
---catherine on 9/4/07


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Mima,-- Hummmmm
---mima on 9/3/07
Mima, you hummmmm, hmmmm, and ummmm, alot.
I notice you didn't answer any of my questions about the mighty Mississippi.
No you shore did not, because you weren't on the mighty Mississippi, were you?
---Tim on 9/4/07


Cynthia::Forget symbolic- God is a spirit If he can send the Holy spirit to be our advocate against the snares of Satan, why can he not reinforce that as God while saying "He who eats My Body & Drinks My Blood lives in ME & I in Him"Why do denoms find objection to this offer of God.He says suffer little children to come to me because that is what heaven is made of, does that mean no adults will go to Heaven?
---Emcee on 9/4/07


Cynthia::"we are what we percieve,what we are taught to believe as the truth"God does not lie .He left us His legacy Mat16:17-19 is one such.There are many others The successors from His edict tell us the truth when we choose to follow HIS will.IMHO I feel the denominations have been created by the false adversary,humanity in weakness succomb the same way that Eve did.This Character,we are called to develop to Perfection,in order to have communication with GOD.Nothing defiled enters heaven.
---Emcee on 9/3/07


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