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Pastors Paid Based Upon Giving

I've recently heard most large churches pay salaries as a % of tithe and that percentage is based on the number of members in the church. Sadly, it makes sense, but I'd like to know if there are any resources that show this.

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A volunteer organization is fine for a group that meets for an hour a week in catacombs (or in more modern times, in someone's home or a rented hall).

But when a church buys real estate and erects a building, it HAS to be run as a business. It's the law. And if you want someone who can be there full time, you either have to pay him a salary, or provide all his material needs, or only hire someone who is independently wealthy. Eeven pastors have to eat and need a place to sleep.
---StrongAxe on 9/29/07

Thank you Lori for your explanation.

There is more than enough material in the Bible to preach salvation through Christ's blood and God's promises of His love for us than to worry about any thing else. Have I preached on tithing? Yes but not as the main message.
---denna7667 on 9/29/07

Lori "99 percent of pastors, evangelists and ministers or priests from Protestant churches will only preach Jesus Christ for material gain in their own wallets." that is quite a slur on the Christian ministry. From where did you find that figure or is this just your personal opinion. The prosperity movement has certainly given Christianity a bad name, and deservedly so, but to say that only 1% of men in our pulpits are true men of God needs an explanation I think.
---RitaH on 9/29/07

deanna: if you teach through love for Jesus Christ and not for money, you are in the minority. I apologize. Sadly, 99 percent of pastors, evangelists and ministers or priests from Protestant churches will only preach Jesus Christ for material gain in their own wallets. they are the people I am addressing that draw near to God with their lips, but their hearts are far from him. They pick and choose what they like in the bible and deny the rest. Or they follow the world, yet teach the opposite in church.
---lori on 9/28/07

lori -why don't you explain the education and requirements for a mormon bishop and who conducts your services and the fact that you have to tithe(10%) to get into celestrial heaven.
Making people tithe to enter heaven(celestrial) and you have the nerve to judge christians!
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---Andrea on 9/28/07

2. Luk 10:7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. There is no argument that the preacher must be looked after, his physical needs must be met by those he teaches. If it is not done practically it must be done financially.
---RitaH on 9/28/07

I think a pastor should be paid a salary and not handle all of the money in the church's bank account or treasury. He should not go into the ministry looking to be taken care of,if possible. Especially if he is able to hold a job. If he is paid a salary I feel he should have a job description and do what he is being paid to do. Most preachers, sadly do not do what they suppose to do. Especially toward his flock. This has been my experiences. I have yet to receive a phone call from my pastor or his wife.
---Robyn on 9/28/07


Be careful how you bunch all members of the ministry in one group. I have preached and taught for years and will contiue to. I have never asked for a penny.

Was it not said in Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07

I wonder how many of you (who think pastors should work for no pay) buy him his clothes, provide shoes for his children, pay for the whole family's health care, give them weekly boxes of groceries, pay their utility bills and school fees...need I go on. This would be essential, and much more, if your pastor had no income of his own... and then you'd still have to send him on holiday once in a while.
---RitaH on 9/28/07

Excuse me if I disagree that sadly, this does not make sense to me. Churches should not be run as businesses. Jesus did not want them to money changing organizations. They were to be a house of prayer and pastors were not even suposed to be paid! God is angry at the so called churches.
---splaa6685 on 9/28/07

Lori: (1)

And just how should a pastor pay for food and housing and clothing, and everything else that all of us spend our time working for? If a pastor has to have a full-time job to pay to support his family, he won't have time to preach, and develop sermons, and do hospital visitations, and weddinds, and attend conferences to meet with other clergy, and all those other things that people take for granted.

Luke 10:7 mentions that a worker is worthy of his hire.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07

Lori: (2)

If you wanted someone to mow your lawn or do your laundry, you would pay him at least $5/hour (if you could find somebody to do it for that). Spending the time to preach and do those other things is much more important, so how can you think time spent doing that is worth less?

This is NOT a matter of "enriching oneself from the gospel" (as a preacher with a $1 million salary might do), just earning a decent living wage, as WE AL DO when WE spend time doing OUR calling.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07


Just what do you think tithes are FOR? The money doesn't go to God. Rather, it goes to support the work done by his servants on earth who have no other source of income.

In the Old Testament, it went to support the Tribe of Levi (priests and scribes) because they had no land to raise food. In the New Testament, it supports clergy so they can devote their full time to serving God rather than wasting 40 hours of each week to pay for food and shelter, leaving less time left for God.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07


If you only allow people to preach if they are rich enough to preach full time, then one of three things will happen much of the time:
1) You will have a critical shortage of pastors
2) Most pastors will be savvy businessmen who have more business savvy than religious training
3) The rest will be kids with rich parents who never had to work a day in their lives, so they won't have had to develop a strong work ethic (and won't be able to relate to most of us who aren't so fortunate).
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07


Do you mean 1 Peter 5:2-3
"2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly, not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind,"
"3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock."

There is a difference between being paid an honest wage, vs. preaching out of greed, for profit. Compare pastors who serve for modest wages, vs. rich televangelists that run their own ministries.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07

lori/ashley/tammy are LDS - they are not paid as our pastors would be. I don't know how much the higher ups make but they aren't poor. There services aren't quite like christian services either - they have a lot of lay preachers and such. Its a 3 hour long service and you move around (at least mine did).
Christian churches have a huge number of volunteers too. My daughter was her churches secretary and my own church must have 50 volunteers and its a small church.

we want a full-time paid pastor.
---Andrea on 9/27/07

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wrong. I belong to a church that does everything you mentioned and more. no one is paid to do it. why: the bible teaches it is wrong. you serve God through love for him, not for an earthly reward. Jesus wasn't paid, neither were his apostles. Its ironic that Jesus never asked for anything but selfish self serving people today want to benefit from his blood and sacrifice. Pastors, ministers, etc wouldn't preach today if they weren't paid for it. we live in a "Me First" society built on greed.
---lori on 9/27/07

2- I now know thousands of men that lead congregations of a thousand people or more and arn't paid to do it. they are on call 24-7 for anything their members need. They are God's representative seven days a week and they also work full time as doctors, lawyers, factory workers, etc. Can you imagine what would have happened if Jesus said. sorry, I only work on sunday and the crucifixion clashes with my schedule. I have to go fishing so the sins of the world has to wait until I am available again.
---lori on 9/27/07


Then you will never find a church that has a fulltime pastor that only preaches the word, counsels the church members, does hospital visits, does home visits, prepares messages/teachings for Sunday, Sunday night, Wednesday night, does weddings, baptisms, not to mention calls in the middle of the night, and many other things it takes to be a full time pastor.
---denna7667 on 9/27/07

I guess that is what separates disciples of Jesus Christ from those professing him with their lips. the bible teaches no one should receive one nickel from preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. many though reject the bible in many ways including that subject. for the record, if i entered a church where the clergy was paid, I would leave it just as quickly as not a church preaching the bible and following Jesus Christ. they are following the doctrines and lies of man.
---lori on 9/27/07

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Paying preachers and paying out salaries with tithe money is probably the only resource there is.
---catherine on 9/27/07

Every man should get payed for his work even a pastor especially these days but not take from people with false teachings also dont get greeding my pastor gets paid it does not matter what you give just give freely he has not asked for 10% now thats a great church jesus said give willingly AMEN
---paul on 9/27/07

This is a new concept for me and I've been in full-time Christian work for over 48 years. It would be a poor arrangement. This would cause a pastor on concentrate more on expanding the membership and not on spiritual growth. By the way, I belong to a church that has 2400 members and our pastor is on a salary, not a commission.
---WIVV on 9/24/07

Jesus was supported by His follwers in part. Luke 8:1-3 Soon afterwards, He began going around from one city and village to another, proclaiming and preaching the kingdom of God. The twelve were with Him, 2 and also some women who had been healed of evil spirits and sicknesses: Mary who was called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 3 and Joanna the wife of Chuza, Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others who were contributing to their support out of their private means.
---denna7667 on 9/20/07

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it is so ironic that many swear by the bible when it suits them and ignor the rest when it condemns them. 1 Peter states clearly, no one is to be paid to preach the gospel or you are profiting from the blood of Jesus Christ for your own gain. Jesus taught for three years until his crucifixion and traveled many miles on foot and mule. he taught unceasingly. who paid him for his time. people here say a man can't preach a sermon once a week without getting paid so who paid Jesus to preach hundreds each week.
---ashley on 9/19/07

I a number of cases if you pay a pastor on a percentage you will turn them into nothing more than salesmen working for a commission. NOT ALL, but some.
---denna7667 on 9/19/07

Trish: Yes being a Pastor is a full time job. My Pastor has a full time job doing what God called him to do and work outside the home. I never said that a Pastor shouldn't get paid. I said my Pastor isn't a paid Pastor. If the Pastor wants to be paid and the church can do it, and agrees that is fine. I just said that Jesus told his disciples to take nothing for their preaching. Mt 10:5-10.
---Rebecca_D on 9/3/07

Rebecca D,

It depends on the size of the church and his duties. A pastor is not someone who just preaches on Sunday. Some think it is a one day a week job . . .its more like 7 days a week and lots of time with his family is infringed upon because he is called all hours of the day and night with needs from the people.
---Gena on 9/3/07

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#2 Rebecca,

When Jesus told the disciples to not take money, he sent them out on a mission, going from town to town, that was for a specific time. He did not send them out to pastor churches. If you have a small church and the pastor can work full time at his regular job and pastor part time, that's great. My own daddy pastored country churches when I was little and he worked as a meat cutter to support us.
---Gena on 9/3/07

# 3, Rebecca D

But he has also been in full time, very demanding ministry where there was no time to work at another job and he did need a salary to support his family. There is nothing in scripture against that. There is more to pastoring a church than just preaching on Sunday . . . much, much more . . .and the demands on a pastor's time by the people are great. Plus time to study, pray, teach, disciple, mentor and grow leaders in the church, visit the sick, counsel, etc.
---Gena on 9/3/07

Rebecca: Being a pastor, in some churches, is a full time job. My pastor is a full time minister. I have been to churches where there are 3 full time ministers. Why should a pastor not get paid for working full time? There is more to pastoring than preaching.
---Trish9863 on 9/2/07

Gena: Get a job like everyone else. Why can't a man work outside the church and be a Pastor too? My Pastor does. And he is anointed by the Holy Ghost, so no one can say he is a slacker. My Pastor isn't a paid Pastor. He doesn't want to be paid for doing the work God called him to do. Jesus told some of his disciples that when they go and preach to take nothing, and yes that includes money.
---Rebecca_D on 9/1/07

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Rebecca D
And just how would you expect him to support his family if he was a pastor of a church without pay? The bible says not to muzzle the ox that treads the corn, and the workman is worthy of his hire. This idea that the pastor or missionary should be poor is not right. They should be able to support their families. I'm not talking greedy gain, but they should be able to live as well as the average family in the church. Perhaps your husband should work without pay. How then would you survive?
---Gena on 9/1/07

It is sad that a church has to pay a man to preach the word of God. If the man wants to be paid and he dedicates his whole life to God and bringing the word, then so be it. But it is wrong for the church to take away tithes to pay the Pastor. My Pastor always says, Give as you feel led to give, if you don't have anything to give, then give God your time, that is more important.
---Rebecca_D on 8/31/07

Some churches may do the % method but most salaries are voted on by the board of directors. The salary voted on is of coarse based on income and other financially related information.
---john on 8/31/07

1) Well...I guess that would explain those 20-30 minute, guilt-laden tithing messages that alot of pastors give. You know, the ones where they bring up an example of brother so and so having tithed for the first time and then the very next day, he goes to get his mail and there is a check for $10,000 in it!!! I hate that kind of manipulation! Manipulation is witchcraft & shows a total lack of trust in God. But you see it over and over again and it would make sense that this method is...
---Holly4jc on 8/31/07

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2) ...used quite often if the pastor was getting a percentage of what comes in. It encourages him to become like a used car salesman, it's all about the commission, no matter what methods you use to get it. It's not how you's about the winning. So sad!
---Holly4jc on 8/31/07

If a pastor wishes to work and can keep up his pastoral duties then Thats great but if he is a true man of God and his visits/Duties and such means he cannot take on a regular job, then it would be the duty of the congregation to provide for him and his family in a way that he can live and able to show that his work in the community, which means new souls and a full and blessed house of God. But to live lavishly wrapped up in dimonds/Gold and a mansion is a Kick in his own teeth.
---Carla5754 on 8/31/07

I think a pastor or any leader should ask themselves serious questions before taking a leadership role in the church, for pay. Can I do this work/job without pay for the glory and honor of God? This is the question. If you can answer this question with a sincere and resounding YES.... then you are ready to serve the people. Leadership, especially pastoring, is a servant position. Jesus came to serve not to be served.This may or may not involve pay.
---Robyn on 8/30/07

I'm sorry to hear that Mima. Unfortunately I've seen the politics in a church do a lot of damage.
I've had some strife myself in churches but being the dear sweet person I am - I figured maybe I'd better wait before I leave the church - I don't find many great churches and I could go through them in a few years.
I wait at least six months before I'd leave a church - time to heal time to grow.

be blessed
---Andrea on 8/30/07

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If it is true, I think it is very sad, and very unChristian.
---alan_of_UK on 8/30/07

This question brings back an interesting situation that happened to my wife and myself. My wife was in the preachers wife's class when this question was asked. The preachers wife said yes it was true. One Sunday later the pastor preached a sermons directly against me and kinda ran me out of the church. It was a penny coastal church, and ther pastor was a great speaker and had the gift of healing!! True story!!
---Mima on 8/30/07

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