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My wife wants to go to an AOG church and I can't hardly stand the activities that go on with the tounges, shouting out interpretations, and people falling down. And yet I don't want to take that away from her. She'd, be "bored" at my old Baptist church. How do we decide where to go?

Moderator - Locate a more toned down AOG church or a more lively Baptist church.

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Danny...I suggest you seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then you might understand the tongues, etc.
---Susie on 10/13/08


Michelle:

I try not to judge people based on stereotypes, I just judge the stereotypes :)

How closely people fit those stereotypes varies from individual to individual, based on how they speak and act.

[Formerly Mark, name changed to avoid confusion with other Marks]
---StrongAxe on 9/9/07


Many married couples eat their own individual different kind of food then their spouse does at meal time, and likewise I know of married couples whom attend separate churches and join back together after their church service. I see nothing wrong with you going to your quieter church and your wife going to her louder church, and then afterwards go back together when you both are done with your church service.
---Eloy on 9/8/07


Marc,
I personally ran into some at a church in Dallas that were like what you said. They had broken off from the UPC church because they didn't like their legalism but they still held on to the doctrine. I see what you mean but please don't judge us all by a few crazies. I think they are a small percentage of the Christian population
---Michelle on 9/7/07


Just.....Ask and you will receive......Yes the Holy Spirit comes to you where ever, you are, even when your driving alone in your car, twice I heard of two different guys getting filled with the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues while they were sleeping. I guess even though our bodys sleep, our spirit is awake.
---Whisper on 9/5/07




Michelle:

I was not speaking of AOG specifically. I was merely speaking of all those pentecostals who believe and/or teach that (regardless of what denomination they are in, and regardless of whether their denomination teaches that as well). i know that not all believe that, but there are many who do.
---Mark on 9/5/07


Jack,
I think its because of a thing called not being able to read the Word of God. Think of it, who were the words of Jesus readily available to? They weren't written down yet. Who read the Torah? Educated people. It's not like they could pull out a Bible and start reading Acts 2. They went to the apostles because the apostles had been around Jesus and knew what he said. We now have the Bible and we can read it for ourselves.
---Michelle on 9/4/07


Danny: Why don't you and your wife pray together and ask God where HE wants you and then be obedient to what HE says. One thing I am sure of, God would want you both to worship together in one church and go off individually. When I got saved, I did not know what church to go to, so I asked God and He lead me to where He wanted me. If you seek Him, He will answer. I pray that the Lord guides you both, for ONLY HE knows where the best place is for you to grow individually and as a couple. Blessings!
---Holly4jc on 9/4/07


Why is that, do you suppose?
---Jack on 9/4/07
There are many reasons. 'I think' mostly its bc people are afraid if they open their mouths they will sound funny and they'll be embarressed. I had hands laid on me for the Bap in HS - but I didn't speak in tongues for 6 mo. It was not that I couldn't I just didn't. I was still saved and more importantly I was Bap in HS - I just was afraid to speak it.
Truthortradition has good teaching on this
---Andrea on 9/4/07


Jack: I have also known plenty of people who received the baptism w/tongues in their own home, even while singing to the Lord in the shower and sometimes while driving in their car. I once prayed for someone (a general prayer) and asked God to give her a special birthday gift (her birthday was the next day) and God fulfilled that request. He baptized her with the HS and she began speaking in tongues, on her birthday! Let God out of the box!
---Holly4jc on 9/4/07




It's hard for me to sit in any place where i can't agree with the majority. How would you feel? I feel left out on something or less spiritual. "The outsider". This is really no different than asking me to go enjoy sitting in a Catholic service... no offence but it's not my cup of tea. So I have to ask myself. Do I join a church and sit in disagreement for the next umpteen years or not? I'd do it for my wife.
---Danny on 9/4/07


**I was sitting on my living room couch completely alone and really hungry for God. I was not in church because you know what- God didn't care where I was or how I recieved it.**

Funny you should say this because if you read the descriptions of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit in the Bible, it ALWAYS shows it happening IN THE PRESENCE OF THE CHURCH and of Apostles or their successors.

Why is that, do you suppose?
---Jack on 9/4/07


1) Wow Michelle...thanks for the awesome testimony.

Whisper...AMEN! I wish ALL churches would give God the freedom to do what He wants in whatever time frame He decides, instead of the allotted 1 hr service. Think of what a difference that would make to let God have free reign in church!

God put me in an AOG church when I got saved and I have been in many since, yet I have never heard any of them preach that you must be baptized in the HS and speak in tongues to be saved.
---Holly4jc on 9/3/07


2) I did not receive the Baptism with tongues until I was saved a little over 2 years and I was in an AOG church, yet I was still considered saved.

The best thing anyone can do is ask God for all that God wants to give them, no holds barred. Don't limit God to what He can and cannot give you, be open to Him and always reach for higher heights in Him...you will not be disappointed! Let God out of the box..He is limitless!
---Holly4jc on 9/3/07


Mark- one other thing about recieving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit- I was sitting on my living room couch completely alone and really hungry for God. I was not in church because you know what- God didn't care where I was or how I recieved it. All I know is that I started praising God in faith(not emotions) and the next thing I know I am speaking in tongues. I wasn't laid hands on, knocked down or worked up as you call it. By the way, many people have had similar experiences to mine.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


To those who are afraid of the AOG church or think we are "weird"-
I was one of you five years ago. I was the first person to condemn speaking in tongues, being slain in the spirit and everything else you see at an AOG church. I purposely sought out a non charasmatic like church for that reason. I wanted the more traditional church and I was very happy.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


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One day in the spring of 2002 I was drawn to an AOG church in Oklahoma City except I didn't know it was AOG. I didn't know anything about it except I knew God had been called me there that night. By the end of the night I felt like the oil of heaven had just been poured over me. I couldn't even describe how I felt it was so wonderful. All I knew was that I wanted more of Jesus. I felt like I had fallen in love with him. I went home and started praying for whatever that church had that I didn't.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


I asked God what it was and he pointed out that it was the same thing I had run from all of my life. I picked up my Bible and started reading Acts 2. When I was done I lifted up my hands to heaven and said, "God, I want more of you. I surrender myself completely to you and I want this Baptism of the Holy Spirit". I have never been the same since. Point being- I walked into that church just wanting more of God. Nothing scary happened to me. God got my attention when I got home that night.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


Point being in all this- take your attention off the people and what they are doing. I close my eyes through worship so I don't even notice all that. Put your eyes and heart on the King. Once your attention is on your beloved and you are enthralled with him then what other people do won't bother you. Let yourself become lost in his love, joy and peace. Don't worry about the tongue thing and what other people are doing- Just Worship God!
---Michelle on 9/3/07


Mark- I have been speaking in tongues for 5 years now and no one taught me how to speak in tongues but the Holy Spirit. I asked for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, not the speaking in tongues and then I spoke in tongues. I didn't talk fast or work myself into an emotional frenzy.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


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Mark-
Not all Pentecostals are the same and I know the AOG church does not claim that salvation comes from tongues. In fact, in my AOG church it is not even stressed as one of the four most important AOG denominational doctrines. You must be talking about some other Pentecostal church.
---Michelle on 9/3/07


Andrea, I have walked in some Baptist churches that were so dead, they made a funeral look good. And then I have walked in some Baptist churches where the power of God hit me like lightening, all I can say is that when GOD shows up, even the pastor gets slain landing himself on the floor. My answer is that God is not a respector of persons or denominations, at any given moment in any one of Gods Holy Houses, any ACT OF GOD, can happen, after all, I think GOD SHOULD MAKE HIMSELF AT HOME, not us.
---Whisper on 9/3/07


whisper - can that happen in a Baptist church?
Isn't it terrible what we can do with God's gifts
in some churches they chase the Holy Spirit away
in some they beat you over the head to get it - which wouldn't be it - bc God never forces Himself on you.

I'm always amazed that He even bothers with us!
---Andrea on 9/3/07


Get a touch from the Holy Spirit. That way you'll both be knocked out and neither one of you will be able to tell the difference where you are.
---Whisper on 9/2/07


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Susie:

Thanks. Sometimes it takes a while for posts to be approved, so responses may be to earlier posts, without taking into account some later replies (which have not appeared yet).
---Mark on 9/2/07


Mark...If you check my last post, you will see that I said tongues IS NOT necessary for salvation. I, too, have seen many of the false tongues that you are talking about and that silly nonsense that anyone can be "taught" how to speak in tongues. Too many people today want to tell the Holy Spirit what to do, instead of letting the Holy Spirit do HIS work in their lives.
---Susie on 8/31/07


I wish everyone realized that tongues aren't part of salvation. Jesus asked God for a Comforter and Jesus told the Apostles to tarry until they receive the Promise of the Father. They waited together and that promise was the gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. He was manifested through the people with tongues. The Baptism of HG being the gift here,not tongues,they were evidence of the infilling of the HG. Before then HG had been indwelling in Prophets,Priests,and Kings,NT all infilled are Priests.
---Darlene_1 on 8/31/07


Cynthia:

AOG = Assemblies of God, the world's largest pentecostal denominations.
---Mark on 8/31/07


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Susie:

John 3:18
"He that speaketh in tongues is not condemned: but he that speaketh not is condemned already, because he hath not spoken in the tongues of the only begotten Son of God."

... Oh wait. It doesn't say that, does it? It ACTUALLY says:
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

We are saved by faith, NOT signs like tongues.
---Mark on 8/31/07


Susie: (1):

One BIG problem I have personally experienced in some (but not all) Pentecostal churches is the prevalent belief that salvation is necessarily followed by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with tongues following, whether this is an official doctrinal position, or merely believed by many people.

Thus, tongues are seen as THE sign of salvation. This leads to a superficial signs-based faith. It leads to a subtle but very strong pressure to speak in tongues, and many abuses.
---Mark on 8/31/07


Susie: (2):

For example, some churches may even "teach how to speak in tongues" by just praying very quickly and whipping yourself up into an emotional frenzy until you start babbling. they call this "tongues" but it's really just a fleshly substitute. This kind of fleshly counterfeit can happen with almost any spiritual gift if people seek the outward sign first, rather than the Giver of the Gift.
---Mark on 8/31/07


Interesting approach advised by our moderator. If I go to a church, it is mainly because God decides to lead me there---SHOULD be why (o:] And He has me there to LOVE the people and not just to get things how I want.

"'For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?"
(in Matthew 5:46)

"And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls,
though the more abundantly I love you,
the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/31/07


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Alan...The most important thing a person can do is to become born again. Speaking in tongues is not a necessity for salvation. The most important thing a Christian can do as a mature Christian is to lead others to the Lord.
---Susie on 8/31/07


Jack....Acts 19:6..."And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied." This is one scripture about tongues and I believe what the Bible says. Don't you?
---Susie on 8/31/07


I am Pentecost,joined a Baptist Church,loved the Pastor,his wife and all the people,enjoyed the preaching,but after 2 years I was starving to death for a complete move of the Holy Ghost and God to use me in the gifts he had before. God gives those gifts to edify the church and when people are used in them it also makes them feel useful to God plus being able to be obedient. I am Assembly of God now.Go with your wife,better for you to be watered with the gifts than her all dried up without them.
---Darlene_1 on 8/31/07


Susie ... Do you think that speaking in tongues is the most important thing a Christian can do, or that it is the sign of a full-grown Christian?
---alan_of_UK on 8/31/07


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Cynthia....AOG=Assembly of God. Members refer to it as AG.
---Susie on 8/31/07


<< Danny...I suggest you seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then you might understand the tongues, etc.
---Susie>>

There's a big, big difference between what Susie calls the baptism of the Holy Spirit and what the BIBLE calls the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

You didn't actually think they were the same, did you, Susie?
---Jack on 8/31/07


Hi Danny, I attend a Baptist Church as well, but I hope this is not a silly question, what is an AOG Church? I have never heard of this before. God bless.
---Cynthia on 8/30/07


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