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God's Sovereignty With Freewill

How does God's sovereignty and mankind's freewill work together in salvation?

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 ---Cynthia on 8/31/07
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Matthew,
Yes, I see it as you said. Another similar case is that of Balaam's
insistence in Numbers 22.
---Nana on 9/5/07


Jane, Thank you for your comment, but I do believe in osas. As far as you calling this a trick, no there are no tricks involved. I only post what I believe to be the truth of Gods Word. If I am in error , I believe that God should be the one to deal with me, for He knows me better than I know myself. He is my judge not man but I respect and thank you for your comment anyway. Glory to God.
---Cynthia on 9/3/07


Cynthia, I know, as an OSAS advocate, you are still looking for a way or an excuse in regard to rebellion. But sister, there is no way outside of obedience to Christ Jesus! You can ask a million qiestions around this theme but the true answer remains only one: "But from everlasting to everlasting the LORD's love is with those who fear him, and his righteousness with their children's children - with those who keep his covenant and remember to obey his precepts" (Ps. 103:17-18)! Sorry, no tricks!
---Jane on 9/3/07


God has created us to willingly love and follow his commands as a matter of choice.I don,t see any relationship between Gods sovereignty and our free will.the realization of Gods sovereignty may help lead one to salvation,but understanding that we are weak sinful creatures in need of repentence, which is covered by jesus is the only real freewill choice of importance.why? cause all others lead to death.
---tom2 on 9/2/07


part2, why do I believe this? because God has said. I SET BEFORE YOU LIFE AND DEATH, CHOOSE.and jesus said IAM THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE no one comes to the father but by me.so everyting is summed up in one thing ,choose to follow jesus.
---tom2 on 9/2/07




Nana, yes. If one continue's to not follow God's will, God will give that person over to a reprobate mind to do those things that are inconvient(sinful). IN reality God sees you wanting to be wicked time and time again and defend it , so he basically says "If that's what you want then that is what I give you", and God hardens that person's heart.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/1/07


Puil ... I exercised Free Will to say "Yes" to Jesus.
How is that being in rebellion against God?
---alan_of_UK on 9/1/07


(Deuteronomy 30:19-20)(Deuteronomy 11:26-28)(1 Thess. 5:21,22):

Most OSAS/Eternal Security false doctrine proponents say man has no free-will/choice, believing that excuses them in regard to rebellion. God gave man His Word, read the sermon on the mount, if God removed free-will, what would be the point of Jesus giving us His commandments? God said come let us reason together, but some refuse Him, daily, rather listen to man's doctrines,pamper the flesh. One day God will refuse them too.
---Mrs._Morgan on 9/1/07


"God resists the proud" (in 1 Peter 5:5). So, God does not respect the will of the proud, but r-e-s-i-s-t-s a proud person. And then things get messed up so the person is stressed, negative, unforgiving, frustrated, etc. ...as proof the person is not doing things with Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:29) and in God's love and leading. So, God's resistance is very needed, to expose us when we are going the wrong way.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/31/07


Merriam-Webster OnLine >>>
"free will"
noun
1 : voluntary choice or decision
2 : freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention <<<

Addressing definition #2, I quote: Luke 12:13: "And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14: And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?"
---Nana on 9/1/07




2)
Pharaoh had free will within the first five plagues in which he hardened his own heart, but after that he had no more freedom in that thereafter God "hardened Pharaoh's heart."
---Nana on 9/1/07


The term predestination has been fought over for years. I do believe that God has foreknowledge about what people will do. By the same token He will never force us to do what we do not want to do. In life if we decide to go to the left God knows what is going to happen. If we go to the right, God knows what is going to happen. Either way He allows us to decide and the free will or choice to do what we want to do.
---Dennis on 8/31/07


The Bible states Choose this day whom you will serve,that is free will,God wants us to pick him and the Holy path,not Satan,but he leaves it up to each person. God created angels and they were to worship and serve him but they didn't have a choice and they still rebelled. God created man for fellowship and gave him free will,so he would love and obey God from his free will. We choose God and must continue to do so every day or we fall like the angels. God wants love given,not predecided.
---Darlene_1 on 8/31/07


God sovereignly had a plan for man's redemption. Jesus. Now that God did His part it is our own free-will choice to either choose the free gift of righteousness in Christ or not.

God cannot make anyone do what Romans 10:9-10 says. It's our own freewill choice.
---Rickey on 8/31/07


God's sovereignty and mankind's freewill do not work together in salvation!!!

Exercising Free Will is being in a state of rebellion against God. You must renounce free will and accept God's plan for your life. To advocate free will is to support Satin.
---Phil_the_Elder on 8/31/07


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