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Tribulation Without A Rapture

I have lots of questions in my mind about the Rapture. When Jesus was asked about the signs of the end of the age, He never said a word about meeting us in the clouds. He talked about tribulation. Who out there thinks we are going to have a pre- trib Rapture, and why?

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I have always heard we should pray for a pre and prepare for a post. That is the safe bet in my minds eye. I do have more peace when I focus on a pre though. I will probably be dead before the trib, but you never know. But, they have been saying any time now for thousands of years. It may be soon though because we only have 50 years worth of oil left and only 200 years of coal left. People will starve when there is no energy.
---obewan on 4/27/09


I personally believe rapture is a lie and who is the author of all lies....you got it. I don't know where people think we are going when Earth and Heaven will be one and the same.
---cindy on 4/26/09


if she is capable yes.
---mary on 10/31/07


The last days of the tribulation is when Christians will experience what the Jewish experienced during the Holocaust. Be prepared and put on the whole armor of God. Put to heart all the sayings of the Word of God. Follow the Christian underground railroad to safety. Allow God to Guide you. Trust in only Him. Pray that you and yours are worthy of God's protection.
---Steveng on 9/20/07


Duane_Martin, I have been reading the Bible for a very long time and have read it cover to cover many times. Of course, I agree with your advice, and I trust the same Father and Son, they are my family.

Nevertheless, I have not misinterpreted anything. The Book of Revelation was written in a code well known by its author and his peers, and by their successors. You are reading more into it than is there.
---lorra8574 on 9/20/07




God removed Noah and Lot out of their respective environments before pouring out His wrath -- so will be the Bride of Christ before the tribulation.
---Mr._Graham on 9/20/07


My knowledge comes from 35 yrs of studying
the whole book, i've learned from no man and i follow no man, My brother is my guide
& my father my strength.
All i can say to you is, People need to read the whole bible at least twice,prayerfully.. so you don't condem yourself for misinterpiting the word of God.
Do you want a doc. that has read the manuel or one who only studied this part or that part?
---Duane_Martin on 9/20/07


Duane_Martin, is Jesus or is He not King? If He is King, then He must be reigning. The idea of a literal 1000 year reign was a heresy stamped out around the third century AD, but that is what can happen when Gentiles try to interpret Jewish codes without the key. John was not trying to be sneaky with his readers, the code was only supposed to be a secret from the Pagans.

Luke 1:31-33, 1 Corinthians 15, esp. v.24-25., Romans 15:12.
---lorra8574 on 9/19/07


Good answer Beth!
Luke 21:34-36,
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any
time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting,and drunkeness, and Cares of this
life, and so that day come upon you unawares. for as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch ye therefore, and Pray always,
that ye may be counted WORTHY to ESCAPE
all these things that shall come to pass,and
to stand before the son of man.
The proof i stand on...
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


andrea: how many times do I have to say it before it sinks into your brain. Joseph Smith did not write a new bible. He translated another testament of Jesus Christ proving he is the Savior of the world and many falsehoods are just that. false. you can argue till your blue in the face, but you can't change facts. show me the book of the wars of the Lord. it is mentioned in the bible. the book of Jasher. show me. I want to read them. if you can't it means men deemed God irrelevent and excluded them.
---ashley on 9/19/07




2- andrea. I read many of the translations. they changed many things from the origional scrolls of the bible. changing a word from thou to you is one thing but changing whole verses into things having nothing to do with the original scrolls is different. that is what men did. the KJV is the closest bible we have to the original scrolls. if you can't read and understand it, where did your degree in university go. did you lose it and your intelligence as well. you know about ions but thou shalt not.
---ashley on 9/19/07


3- I thought I better write another blog just in case you didn't understand. God said thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. translation: do not tell lies about your neighbor or anyone you don't like. you are breaking a commandment of God to do that. you remember them don't you. they were written by God's finger for Moses. did you realize you are rebelling against God every time you ridicule, mock or print lies against anyone. something for you to think about.
---ashley on 9/19/07


Wouldn't surprise me. Many say oh don't add to or take from, but we have many bibles written by men today that everyone follows. talk about hypocrisy to the extremes.
---ashley on 9/19/07
going back to the original scriptures and interpreting them in light of advanced knowledge and change of language (we no longer speak old English) is not to be equated with writing a new bible like Joseph Smith did.
Especially since he plagerized the KJV so poorly.
---Andrea on 9/19/07


It doesn't matter 2 me if it's pre,post,or trib 4 Christians.ALWAYS b prepared 4 Jesus & not get caught up with this division in doctrines.I was always pre-trib, & thought: suppose Jesus left us as a testing of R faith & 2 reach others.Those who trust in pre-trib only & left behind may think their church,pastor, & Christ deceived them.Tests make R faith & character stronger if we endure 2 the end of a trial or give up/quit.
JUST DON'T TAKE THE MARK!!!!
---Beth on 9/19/07


Forgive them father, they are trying,
help them not to stumble on your words.
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


The 1000 yrs. started? You have lost all concept of biblical reality.With a statement like that, shows a lack of biblical knowledge on your part, satan knows some bible verses himself and look where he's at and where he's going..Please don't take this wrong I'm only concerned for you because someone has lied to you. and as a good brother should do,i tell you the truth!
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


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Original Duane, it also helps if you understand that we are already in the Millenial Reign and that the code was not intended to mean a literal thousand years. Jesus is refered to in the scriptures as the King of Kings, and He is reigning now until all the earth is made His footstool. At the end of this reign, He will hand over the reigns to His Father - figuratively speaking. The Apostles are with Jesus in Heaven now, not at some future time.
---lorra8574 on 9/19/07


Duane, then the question becomes what is the first resurrection and who participates in it. 2 Timothy 2:18 Paul confirms that The Resurrection is not already past, implying that there is only one Resurrection.

Revelation is in code and speaks of a first resurrection - referring to the resurrection of Christ that we participate in when we are Baptised - dying with Christ (to sin) and rising with Him to a new life as Christians. Romans 6:3-6,
---lorra8574 on 9/19/07


Please read all of Rev. 20, close attention to verses 5 & 6. Please keep reading and you'll see that after the 1000 yrs. comes the day of judgment at the great white throne when the books will be opened.everything fits together if one would start reading the whole bible not just this verse or that one, thats why we have so many differant beliefs, the lord warns us about being divided,brother against brother ect. the lord said that their would be a falling away from the truth {prophesy fulfilled?}
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


What I am learning. The Rapture is primarily for the coming of the Saints. The tribulation-- is Jesus coming for vengeance, in flaming FIRE, upon His many enemies. The idea that God of love must not punish sin overlooks the fact that God is also holy [infact His main character is holiness]. And He must do what is morally right. Immediately after the tribulation comes revelation period. Main emphasis is on judgment. This will be visible worldwide. Study for yourself like I must do.
---catherine on 9/19/07


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I have read the bible thousands of times. I still can't find where the righteous will be resurrected twice. If they are living on the earth when the Savior returns and they partake in the first resurrection of the righteous, how can all the righteous all ready be gone. Perhaps everyone else has written their own bible and ignored the KJV. Wouldn't surprise me. Many say oh don't add to or take from, but we have many bibles written by men today that everyone follows. talk about hypocrisy to the extremes.
---ashley on 9/19/07


Duane: "the book of rev. clearly says blessed are those that partake in the 1st resurrection..
rap/res 1 time then res. 2nd time. ya think"

Be careful when adding the word 'rapture' to the Word of God for it is written not to add or subtract from the Word of God.
---Steveng on 9/18/07


1st of all you won't find the meeting that will take place in the clouds,in matt. or mark or luke,
its in the 1st book of thess. 4th chat. 16-17 verse..
In the book of Luke ch. 21 v 29-36
Jesus explains as he did in the book of matt. 24th ch. the signs of the end times{parable of the fig tree} and how to escape all these things that will come to pass. lk.21:36 {the bride will escape}
---Duane_Martin on 9/18/07


the book of rev. clearly says blessed are those that partake in the 1st resurrection..
rap/res 1 time then res. 2nd time. ya think
---Duane on 9/17/07


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Bob, amen. What is in question here is that some think that this is going to happen more than once. That the good Christians will be "secretly raptured" up before the rest of us bad folks experience horrible tribulations designed to help us convert into good Christians in time to be raptured up during a second rapture when Jesus comes to judge the world.
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07


I think Luke says it best in the 21st chapter 36th verse...
Watch ye therfore, and pray always,
that ye "escape" all these things that shall
come to pass, and to stand before the son of man.
---Duane on 9/16/07


berf: "Somebody needs to ask:
"Who out there thinks we will NOT have a pre-trib rapture, and why not?"

If you scroll down towards the end of this blog I gave several reasons.
---Steveng on 9/13/07


Believers bodies WILL BE REunited with their spirits/souls at The Rapture/Blessed Hope, just as *Christ's body was at His RESSURECTION [ICor.15:35-50,51-58, I Jn.3:1-(*2)3]!

Many prophets & Holy writers did not understand what they were writing but were obedient & wrote what they were told anyway [cp.Dan.12:8-13, Rev.5:11-(*13)14 *"heard I saying" (John heard & wrote though some still don't believe this writing, even today!)].

Shalom
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 9/11/07


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Our forefathers refused to pay taxation without representation. We citizens of America now pay taxes that serve to further the advancement of evolutionary theory, operate abortion clinics, subsidise tobbacco..., it seems that we cannot buy nor sell (work) without supporting the antichrist, so, are we already being duped into worshipping the beast? I think so.
---michael on 9/10/07


I appreciate the argument but I'm concerned with those Christians that make end times a "second religion," for some a litmus test of salvation. If you can't allow for different literary forms in the Bible, you will get caught up trying to apply a strict leteral interpretation of both Creation and End Times. You will miss the forest for the trees. Christ is coming again, be ready!
---Bartel on 9/10/07


Somebody needs to ask:
"Who out there thinks we will NOT have a pre-trib rapture, and why not?"
---berf on 9/10/07


steveng, this quote of yours is why I ask the question do you believe there is only one judgment. "First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time".
---evangelistjerry on 9/8/07


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steveng, also I can figure what is written in black and white thank you, being rude and sarcastic will only cause me to pay you no attention what so ever.
---evangelistjerry on 9/8/07


Thank you Jody, I'm flattered (I live in NJ, you). The cults on these blogs have me convinced I'm a terror.
Still - they have taught me a great deal about my own beliefs. Be Blessed.
---Andrea on 9/7/07


evangelistjerry: "Steveng, read my post clearer, I was ASKING YOU if you believed there was only one resurrection by the way your posts sound. I know there are two resurrections."

If you know that there are two resurrections and my post says two resurrections (in which I believe) what is so hard to figure what I wrote in black and white? Do you have ths same problems when reading the Bible that you cannot understand something that is written in black and white?
---Steveng on 9/7/07


Andrea) You are such a blessing on these blogs!!:)Would love tho have you living in my neighborhood.:)
---jody_martin on 9/7/07


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Steveng, read my post clearer, I was ASKING YOU if you believed there was only one resurrection by the way your posts sound. I know there are two resurrections.
---evangelistjerry on 9/7/07


evangelistjerry: "...Christians are not judged until the lost are judged also."

There are two resurrections: The first where Christians who believed, repented, and were baptised. These are the people who are worthy enough to enter heaven upon Jesus' second coming and will not experience the second death. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period where the rest of the dead rise and are judged from the Book of Life.
---Steveng on 9/6/07


Denna: either all the righteous are taken in a rapture or they aren't. You are either righteous or wicked. NO in between. when Jesus returns, he ushers in the first resurrection of the righteous. one standing in the field will be changed instantly and the other will be left to wait for the second resurrection. if the righteous are gone in a rapture, who is the righteous person changed still living on the earth. perhaps a ghost or zombie and Jesus wasn't perfect after all. he missed many people.
---lori on 9/5/07


denna7667: "I believe that before the tribulation comes (pre-trib) believers will be gone. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Even though you took this verse alone to be the rapture, you can place this before, during, or after the tribulation period, not necessarily in the beginning.

But now you take it out of context. By reading the previous verse, you'll see that He came with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God...
---Steveng on 9/5/07


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denna7667: Now let's reason this out.

...and the dead in Christ shall rise first...

Now, most Christians believe that Christians will not experience the tribulation period. If this was so, why are the dead being ratured to escape tribulation?
---Steveng on 9/5/07


steveng, The book in which I believe you are referring to is at the Great White Throne Judgment. Are you trying to say that Christians are not judged until the lost are judged also.
---evangelistjerry on 9/5/07


There three theologies here: pre-trib, trib, and post-trib as I understand it. I believe that before the tribulation comes (pre-trib) believers will be gone. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
---denna7667 on 9/5/07


Mima, nice footwork in doubletalk. if all the righteous are taken in a rapture and no longer living on the earth, who are the righteous standing in the field for the second coming. one is taken and the other is left for the second resurrection. Jesus doesn't make mistakes. either you are righteous and gone in a rapture or Jesus lied. He said the righteous are still on the earth when he ushers in the first resurrection. that is what the bible says.
---lori on 9/4/07


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Adam of 9/2) I respect your attempt to justify the third appearence of Jesus by saying his feet won't touch the ground. I wish you were right but all that scripture is saying is that before his feet touch the ground, these things happen at His second comming. The scripture does not say that it will occur before His second comming. I think it is a great try but still doesn't prove anything. No rapture. Sorry to say.Blessings:)
---jody_martin on 9/4/07


A general knowledge of a "celestial body" would alleviate many concerns concerning whether or not the rapture will occur. When a person dies the body goes to the grave, and the spirit goes to be with Jesus. At the rapture the spirit will accompany Jesus back to this earth(Jesus himself will not physically touch the earth but will remain in the air) to be joined with a celestial body to return with Jesus back to heaven and later return with Jesus his physical second coming!!
---Mima on 9/4/07


evangelistjerry: "when you say there is only one judgment day you are talking about Christian judgment, correct."

When is the Book of Life opened?
---Steveng on 9/3/07


the rapture. ok. answer this. Jesus said in the bible when he returns dressed in blood red, he will usher in the first resurrection of the righteous. Jesus is the Son of God and is perfect. He doesn't make mistakes or write lies. the bible states clearly many living on the earth will be changed instantly from mortal to immortal during the first resurrection of the righteous. how can that be. everyone says they are taken in a rapture. a person on the earth can't be changed if they are all ready gone.
---lori on 9/3/07


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The two witnesses the book of Revelation talks about isn't Moses and Elijah. It is Enoch and Elijah. Because neither one of those men saw death. I don't know about anyone else, but by the grace of God, I'll not be here when God pours out his wrath.
---Rebecca_D on 9/3/07


The Watchman, are you aware of how many Christian martyrs have died horribly around the world for their faith? Our salvation is in our eternal life, not this one.
---lorra8574 on 9/3/07


Luke 17:33-37, note especially verse 37. Once again, I want to be left behind. Of course, this was referring mostly to an event that already happened - the Fall of Jerusalem.
---lorra8574 on 9/3/07


Jan to properly understand Matt 24, which you quote, you must realize that Jesus was asked about the end times and not the Rapture.
The question had nothing to do with the "catching away" of I Thess. Jesus explained the Tribulation and the events. That is what He was asked about. To add anything else is complete error. Those in the Tribulation must "endure till the end." That does not describe the Age of Grace Saints. Many will try to mislead you on this subject.
---Elder on 9/3/07


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I definitely believe "The Master" will take 'His' out of danger before His judgement, as was done from Noah & his, Lot & his, Rahab & hers, The Exodus, to "The Blessed Hope". There are references by Christ Himself in the gospels ["all cannot receive these sayings save ..."]. Cp.Lke.17:20-24,25-29,30-37.

Again, earth cannot be judged til the 'salt' [Church] is taken out of it! Why judge believers with the world when he was judged in our place on Calvary?
---Bob_[Elshama]_6749 on 9/3/07


Continued: Tares & wheat are separated at Christ's 2nd coming.

Revelations reveals the tribulation as 'minus' Christ's Church as written, "Let those who have ears, hear what The Spirit is saying to The church" BEFORE judgement falls, then "Let those who have an ear hear what the spirit is saying" minus The Church when judgement begins!

The "Rapture"/Blessed Hope will happen as written/prophesied, not as anyone teaches/believes/wants,etc!

Shalom
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 9/3/07


Continued: If you knew what the parable of "one taken & one left" was referring to, there should be no arguments on this subject whatsoever.

Everything begins when the Trumpet/Shofar sounds, heralding an important event(s), consider The Walls Of Jericho.

Hence, the importance of the seven feasts listed in Leviticus 23rd chapter, next up? Feast Of Trumpets!

Shalom
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 9/3/07


I belive that christ loves his church. why would he die for us just to let us be killed during the tribulation. I believe that the church is the restainer that is holding back the reveiling of the anti christ and the demonic forces that are soon to come.
---the_watchman on 9/2/07


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Jesus told it in the parable of the wheat and tares but it seems not many understand it!!!!!!!! Most people seem to need their ears tickled!!!!!
---Truth on 9/2/07


Even though Jesus may never have said it, Paul did. "We will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air". 2 Thessalonians 2-1. The word rapio is a latin word meaning "Seized". In any case caught up in the air is what we call the Rapture. Some believe it will happen after the Tribulation and before the thousand year reign of Christ on earth called the Millennium. [The Salvation of Gentile nations]. [Isaiah 2-24].
---catherine on 9/2/07


To all of you who are arguing about this ... Why is it so important that as StevenG says,"newly born Christians and weak Christians who need to be told again and again"?
Does knowing whether or not there will be a "rapture" and when it will or will not be, make any difference to salvation?
I would have thought there were for more important things to be taught.
---alan_of_UK on 9/2/07


Steven, when you say there is only one judgment day you are talking about Christian judgment, correct.
---evangelistjerry on 9/2/07


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Hi, I tend to agree with Jody and the writer of the question (sorry forgot your name), when I look at the verses in Thessalonions, where Paul is talking about "we who are alive and remain till the coming of the Lord", well, why would Paul figure he might be left behind in the Rapture? To me, it just makes sense, at least in that Scripture, that it won't be till the very end.
---Mary on 9/2/07


Phil_the_Elder: "This subject has been beaten to death previously."

Even so, there are unbelievers who you must convince, newly born Christians and weak Christians who need to be told again and again. You must be patient like a father to his child. A child does not learn in one setting but lessons must be repeated. So again, be patient.

Allow me to reason with others who believe the rapture.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


Second, there is nothing new under the sun. No one in history was ever raptured. Jesus himself said no one has ascended into heaven. Neither Moses or Elijah will be the witnesses. God even says that he buried Moses in a valley. I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


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Third, Every time there was a catastrophe, Godly men and women were not raptured, but were protected by God and still on earth. Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God. All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


Forth, There are only two resurrections, not three. If there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be three resurrections - one at the beginning of the tribulation period, one at the end of the tribulation (to bring up the Christians and converted ones), and one at the end of the thousand year period. It's written that blessed are those who rise during the first resurrection. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


Fifth, Why have a tribulation? If the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead can't feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 9/2/07


Sixth, how can you Christians be so vain to think you are more special than the Christians and Godly people who died in all of history. Don't be afraid about what is about to happen during these end times for God promised to protect you from his wrath. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past? Now is the time to strengthen your relationship with God.
---Steveng on 9/2/07


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Last, but not least, we will be warned about it before it happens.

So, forget about this rapture thing, about the age of the universe, about knowing how the Earth began, or when it will end, about dinosaurs, about "Whose on first, What's on second and I-don't-knows on third." Teach the Gospel that Jesus taught - the Gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there. Go out into the world and spread the Gospel. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few
---Steveng on 9/2/07


Hi, I tend to agree with Jody and the writer of the question (sorry forgot your name), when I look at the verses in Thessalonions, where Paul is talking about "we who are alive and remain till the coming of the Lord", well, why would Paul figure he might be left behind in the Rapture? To me, it just makes sense, at least in that Scripture, that it won't be till the very end.
---Mary on 9/2/07


There is a realy good book out called, "The Truth Behind Left Behind: A Biblical View of the End Times". writen in part be Tim Lahaye. It explains all the reasons why the authors of the Left Behind series beleive what they put into their books. Its quit good and gives indepth scriture referance into thier beliefs. So even if you havent read the Left Behind books, its still quit informative
---Adam on 9/2/07


No word about meeting in the clouds?
Mark 14:62 and Matt 26:64.. and you shall see the son of man coming in the clouds.
Acts 1:11... This same Jesus which is taken up from you into heaven, will come in like manner as you have seen him go into heaven.
Sorry Phil, Darby never started the rapture teachings. Go check an old hymn book. They were singing about it from day one.
---john on 9/2/07


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be prepared for either event - the adventists of 1844 had good reason to think jesus would be there - so have the mormons and the JWs - I see the rapture taught all over the place. I trust that Christ is big enough to take me or we'll go through it together. Its in His hands.
Although I love the thought of meeting Him in the sky - pre- trib I'm prepared to go where He goes if that is through the trib.
be blessed brothers and sisters either way - we win bc He already won it!
---Andrea on 9/2/07


Look at Revelation 1:1-3.That says it all.Christians who believe in the rapture study the Word according to the doctrines of the paid professionals behind the pulpit.Folks,we need to study to show ourselves approved.The false doctrine of the pre-trib rapture has its roots in the catholic church 500 years ago (Ribera).Do some research as it can be found.
---gabe on 9/2/07


Yes pre- trib will happen and we will be kept from GOD'S angry
---MIMA on 9/2/07


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