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Is Tithing Mandatory Today

I am relatively new in the Christian faith. Is tithing mandatory for a believer as it was in the Old Testament or is it voluntary? Do I have to tithe, give first fruits and other offerings before obtaining Abrahamic wealth?

Moderator - The New Testament teaches grace giving not tithing. By the way, you don't tithe to get wealth, but to obey God.

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Yes, us as chritians suppose to tithe. God said he didn't do away with the laws of the old testament he only showed us a better way in the new testament. but tithe is mention in the new testament. because how is the administration of the church going to pay light, water, gas and so on if it don't have any funds. HOw is the preacher going to go preach around the world if he don't have tithe payers in the church. Tithe is only for to support the works of God by his preachers so more souls can be saved, because remember you need funds to do anything sucessful in this present world.
---April on 6/29/10


There are other directives integrally connecting with tithing. Those others are never even once suggested to be obeyed and followed. Nevertheless one church is good at getting all the money at the point of death or threat. Why bother with a tenth.
---jhonny on 12/25/07


Tithing is not mandatory but it is an excellent personal stewardship habit. Religious institutions need a constant predictable flow of funds to operate their programs. A healthy Churches need a normal bell curve to the age membership demographics. If the standard deviation about the mean age is Tithing the church generally has long term survivability, otherwise there are problems it it future.
---notlaw99 on 12/4/07


Tithing was given to the Jews in the old testament.

The church today is is not under tithing,we are instructed to give as God has prospered us,willing cheerfully.

For God loves the cheerfull giver.
God word says if believers have and see his bro.in need and give not,how could the love God dwell in him.
---lionel on 12/4/07


Yes,for the regulation of the church.
---Jack_fossett on 12/3/07




Yes, and who shall devour you as a sacrifice. Would you like to be a feast meal for some beastly banquet. And yes there are some who sup and dine on the wealth of the people, as it is today.
And people are eaten up and devoured by the words of hypocrites.

Mal 2:1 "And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you."

They are the robbers, and people imitate and blindly follow the works of their leaders in authority, self-appointed and passed on by other self appointed men.
---jhonny on 12/3/07


De. Point well taken. Thank you.
---jhonny on 10/5/07


Trey Yes it was helpful.
---jhonny on 10/5/07


Jhonny,

Turning you back on the needy is also a cop out and passing the buck to somebody else. It is also called not having compassion to the needs of your brothers & sisters.

Did Jesus ever say, "It is your fault that you are the way you are so see you later" and walk away? NOT! John 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
---de on 10/4/07


Yes, those are virtuous aims: The hungry and the naked. Why attach virtue to what may be a dysfunctional behavioral system laced with fraud. For example impersonating a Levitical priest, who only had authority to collect tithes. Tithing is correct in Christ. Why hand one's responsibility is this affair to some other who misrepresents an obselete priesthood. It is our responsibility,
"passing the buck" is a cop-out
---jhonny on 10/3/07




It may or may not be a sin to not tithe, but ask yourself this question:

If you love God with all your heart (1st commandment), why are you not giving your first 10th to Him? After all, it takes money to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and fund missionary work. God's work comes first.
---Mr._Graham on 10/3/07


Berna,

Tithing is an Old Testament command.

In Numbers 18:20, 21, et. The Lord gives the Levitical Priesthood all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance for their service of the tabernacle. The other eleven tribes were given land for their inheritance.

Deut. 26:12 tells us that it was also to be distributed to the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat.

Deut. 14:22 tells us that the tithe was the 10th part of the INCREASE from year to year.
---trey on 10/3/07


Berna, (continued)

Also, every seventh year the land was to rest, so they didn't pay tithes of grain that year (Lev 25:20).

Do we still have the Levitical Priesthood today? No.

2Cor. 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Hope this is helpful.
---trey on 10/3/07


denna your last post mentions money three times. Money, money, money. Nevertheless, your point is taken.
My point is some are called out of the fraud of it. Start small, it gets bigger.
---jhonny on 10/2/07


Jhonny, (1 of 2)

The point I was making and you ignored, the Tabernacle was built with money from the people, or did I forget to mention that part? I also know the details of the Tabernacle its use, the items, and specifications.

The point is the work of the church (body of believers) cannot be done without money period! Home groups cannot tend to the homeless or help the poor without using their own money. If they can tell please me how.
---denna7667 on 9/29/07


Jhonny, (2 of 2)

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Help one another when they have difficulties. That is what Jesus did.

Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
So we should just turn away and let people fight for them selves? Thats not what Jesus did. Compassion?

The agenda, "Money Madness". Are their church organizations that are greedy? You bet. That is everywhere, including people.

We agree to disagree.
---denna7667 on 9/29/07


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Denna (Ex 25:1-2).
The specific purpose
Ex 25:8 "And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them." Details of the uses for gold silver and brass continue to near end of chapter 27: then continue with priestly offices for Aaron and his sons.
In the Sanctuary.
Exd 25:22 "And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above..."
Hbr 9:1 "..the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary."
---jhonny on 9/28/07


It was yes, a worldly sanctuary, but it was a divine service, the law is holy therefore.
Where is the sanctuary for divine service today.
Hbr 8:2 "A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man."
1, "We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,"
"A new..
he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."
---jhonny on 9/28/07


Jhonny,

I asked the question quite some time ago and was not condescending.

How was the Tabernacle built that contained the holy of holies?

Exodus 25:1-2 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 "Tell the sons of Israel to raise a contribution for Me, from every man whose heart moves him you shall raise My contribution.

Sounds to me like the money came from the people who had a heart for and a love for God.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07


Denna. Cannot find "building" as mentioned.
Responded to: "House of God" 9/18/.

You ask:
"Is it that hard to answer a simple question.." You never asked me that I can recall. If by "simple question" you mean free from deceit and guile, let's look at it. If by simple question you mean ignorant and naive, lets forget about it.
Simple questions require no more than simple answers. Christ is the answer.
---jhonny on 9/27/07


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Jhonny,

I admit our bodies are "Temples". I also agree the body of believers is the church. I did say "building".

Is it that hard to answer a simple question of how do you pay for things like evangelism, utility bills for "buildings", support for helping those who are less fortunate and need help with food, the homeless, or helping with medical assistance. Or do we just ignore those who are less fortunate or on disability?
---denna7667 on 9/27/07


Jhonny: You never answered the question. Did Jesus ever say the Tithe was no longer Holy to God? I ask a Biblical question and you avoid it with name calling. How christian of you.

Calling yourself the Temple to Dena seems to imply that you desire to give the Tithe to Yourself? Hmmm...Selfish Christians?...an Oxymoron.

Are you a Televangelist?
---SeventhSeal on 9/26/07


Denna. We are the house of God. You and your belief is the work of God.."This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

"If it weren't for tithing you would not have a House of God to attend."
---denna7667 on 9/18/07
We are the temple of God. 1Cr 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
---jhonny on 9/25/07


Denna. Good reference. It's not the tithe that is the problem is it.
Here is a weightier matter they abandoned and disregarded.
Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
There are heavier matters in the law that require more weightier judgment. They ommit those by sheer neglect. It is the same as it is today. The agenda, "Money Madness".
---jhonny on 9/25/07


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Eloy::"I minister Gods grace to that one freely"I don't charge 10%.Some one asked from where does grace come I give below a few references By Him who dispences Grace. Acts20:32-35,-Rom5:17.-2thessolonians2:16-2Timothy1:9,-IPeter5:5. Eloy you are too quick to cut to the quick .Temperance is well served in silence.
---Emcee on 9/25/07


Seal is there any love in you. You are a distraction from the truth, filled with animosity and duplicity which spotligts your character.
---jhonny on 9/25/07


We cant change anothers belief, only the Holy Spirit can. Why argue??
---duane on 9/25/07


Jesus even told the Pharisees in Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint...

If you read the rest of the verse Jesus says you pay tithes but you don't pay attention to the other matters.

Jesus did not say not to pay tithes..
He does not say, "I give you grace not to pay tithes."
---denna7667 on 9/25/07


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jhonny: Is there any Love in you? I see what comes out of you. Can you stick to Scriptures? Please show us where Jesus Commandmed we not Give of our means to God?
---SeventhSeal on 9/25/07


Moderator is correct. Attitude is important in giving. If one looks closely at the wealthy you will find that almost all give tithe in some manner. Maybe not to a church but certainly charitable. They have done so as a habit not just after they could afford to. Hmmmm
---dan on 9/25/07


moderator, can you give us the text which says NT teaches Grace giving? I understood that God was the only one who could give us mercy and grace...thank you...
---jana on 9/25/07


.emcee, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 9/25/07


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Seal any response to your unwarranted, out- of-the-blue animosity makes you the victim. Your character is revealed in your duplicitous monikers. Animosity is a polite word for your guile.
---jhonny on 9/24/07


Denna It is not tithing which has the problem. The law is holy. It is the format and the modality which tithing is apllied and absorbed into. It is the deceit that is an attachment to the law never intended. It is our responsibility to discern the error. Following deceit inherits the consequence of falsehood no matter what they tell you. Figure it out.
---jhonny on 9/24/07


Denna It is not tithing which has the problem. The law is holy. It is the format and the modality which tithing is apllied and absorbed into. It is the deceit that is an attachment to the law never intended. It is our responsibility to discern the error. Following deceit inherits the consequence of falsehood no matter what they tell you. Figure it out.
---jhonny on 9/24/07


Eloy::"My fathers house is a house of worship you have made it a den of Theives""This has nothing to do with Tithing they were doing a business for Profit like the corner store which Jesus saw as inexcuseable.A tithe is one tenth value of what is affordable.
---Emcee on 9/24/07


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Jhonny: More venom from you I see.
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07


RyanZ: This "living sacrifice" for service to God does it not require your pocket book to Spread the Gospel? God gave all things asking a little substance as a sign of faith

Did Jesus ever say Tithe done away?

There are unscrupulous ministries easy to recognize: Large Steeples, Fancy Offices, High Dollar Pastors, few missions in World Spreading the Gospel

Only SDAs and Catholics compete in nearly every Country
One holds Sola Scriptura the other does not. Choose wisely.
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07


**What do you give to God?**

I am so glad this question was asked. So many times people use this type of tactic to guilt naive people into tithing. Tithing is not about obedience it is not a New Testament practice and it is futile to say that tithing is giving back to God. the question, "What do you give to God?" should be answered with scripture we are, "to present ourselves a living sacrafice. We have given ourselves to God not a tithe.
---Ryan_Z on 9/24/07


Seal your history of duplicit guile does not warrant any reponse from me. Your duplicitous character and monikers spotlight your own hatred of which you speak. Your duplicity blocks any perception to discern what is hatred and what is truth. You condemn yourself with your unwarranted animosity.
---jhonny on 9/24/07


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Jhonny: Why so much hatred toward those giving in faith back to God that which is already His? What do you give to God?
---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07


Jhonny,

I believe you have totally confused yourself with your rambling. I have no idea what you wre trying to say or prove.

None of us can keep the whole law. That is why we are under grace and mercy by the blood of Jesus. Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
---denna7667 on 9/23/07


"..which Christ himself drove out of the temple." Eloy.

Three days later the religious gangsters(banksters) and the whole society that followed them, killed him. I believe that is the timeline.. The money changers are making a "killing" right now with currency exchange based on the U.S. dollar. What would happen to you if you overturned their tables.
---jhonny on 9/23/07


The deluded say in their heart, I gave God 10%, now he must bless me back and let me into heaven.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


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"Your money perish with you, because you have thought that the gift of God can be bought with money. You have neither part nor lot in this matter: for your heart is not right in the sight of God. Abase therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I perceive that you are in the gall of bitterness, and the bondage of sin." Acts 8:20-23. Please Read- Luke 18:9-14.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


Deena. Is it imaginary that we acquire obedience by our own works. Can we impartially demand our due. Do we suppose that the righteousness ascribed to it is taken into account, imputed and reckoned on this account. This law requires perfect obedience. Are you sufficient to accomplish the expiatory sacrifice. Precepts threaten condemnation to all who do not render such obedience.
Jam 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."
---jhonny on 9/23/07


"I still say tithing is not for today" from Robyn.
I understand your well made points. If I may. Tithing is being perpetrated today in an obselete modality. This tithing today is part of an obedience system long waxed old. If we are acting or performing an obedience ritual in a false system the behavior is just part of the fraud.
I've talked with men who know better, but can't (or will not) change it. Those in authority and advantage will not release their people to the mystery.
---jhonny on 9/23/07


Jana, I have heard that arguement a thousand times and it is incorrect. Christ is the fulfillment, if any laws remain then there is no such thing as grace. To attempt to divide the law is rediculous, the bible never says, "Keep the moral and do away with civil and ceremonial."
---Ryan_Z on 9/23/07


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Tithing is abolished old testament custom, which Christ himself drove out of the temple. God is not ten percent, and all whom participate it this activity place themselves under the curse.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


"Every labourer is worthy of His Hire"-even those who work in the vineyard of the Lord Matt.1:1-16.Based on this tithes have been adopted.How much Jesus tells us the story of the widows Mite.Let your True conscience be your Guide, you each know your own Circumstances -so does GOD.
---Emcee on 9/23/07


When a person needs my help, I minister God's grace to that soul freely without requiring 10 percent nor any money from them.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


Thank you Denna. "They",-are those who control the stronghold". And yes we are free in Christ by decision and choice of faith. We are free also to choose slavery, bound by the fear of men, or subject to the love of their authority.
---jhonny on 9/23/07


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"Is it too painful a contradiction to contemplate the fact that Christ has brought a newness to tithing. ...They're lying."

Christ is the tithe. Does that mean it's done away. No, we become the tithe with him. Rom 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service (Gk.latreia:-sacred service according to the divine worship and ministration of levitical law).
---jhonny on 9/23/07


Jhonny,

That is my whole point, if He provides for all my "needs", what else could I want? It also makes us good stewards of our money.

You are correct in some that people think by giving that makes them good to go, or give to get and that is wrong. These are also the ones who want just enough Jesus to get into heaven. The will be very disappointed.
---denna7667 on 9/23/07


Ryan z: the only laws made obselete are the ceremonial laws of ordinances and sacrifices which ended at the cross. And these include the sabbath of the ceremonials which is different to the weekly holy and sanctified 7th day Sabbath of God.Remember, ceremonial things are obselete..10Cs still stand along with Civil Laws. Read Leviticus..
---jana on 9/23/07


Ryan z: the only laws made obselete are the ceremonial laws of ordinances and sacrifices which ended at the cross. And these include the sabbath of the ceremonials which is different to the weekly holy and sanctified 7th day Sabbath of God.Remember, ceremonial things are obselete..10Cs still stand along with Civil Laws. Read Leviticus..
---jana on 9/23/07


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Jhonny,

"They have not released me." Who are THEY?

I am already free. John 8:36 If therefore the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
---denna7667 on 9/22/07


Denna. as you put it...."He provides for all my needs, not for my greeds"
God wants us to want things, and ask for things. And while your at it.
Pro 4:7 "...and with all thy getting(things acquired) get understanding."
The skill and insight of understanding(feminine noun) is personified in the writings.
---jhonny on 9/22/07


Here's something to wish for.
3Jo 1:2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health(Gk.sound,-free from error), even as thy soul prospereth(Gk.succesful ways and issues)."
Christ does not want us needy and in lack and in penury, but the prosperity lies here.
"To whom God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you the hope of glory:" Col.1:27 Darby
---jhonny on 9/22/07


I still say tithing is not for today but if one so chooses to tithe, then go ahead and do so. Its ok. I am a giver.But some people feel they can live like the devil during the week and give a tithe on Sunday and be blessed by it. It does nt work like that. The only one who will be blessed is whomever receives that money in the church.Usually the pastor. People need knowledge.Some people give to receive money back. There are many ways to be blessed. You may not receive money back for your tithe.
---Robyn on 9/22/07


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I Pray and Obey...
---Holly4jc on 9/22/07


Denna I don't question you willingness. Eventually we become who we follow. They have not released you.
---jhonny on 9/22/07


Candice: What scripture might we use to support tithing as a personal choice.
Nurnemberg trials revealed the orders were perceived as a personal choice. Something like that.
---jhonny on 9/22/07


That is a personal choice, but I would only to obey God. it says so in the bible, although tithing is in the OT & the law was nailed at the cross, it is also better NOT to cheat God.
---candice on 9/21/07


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Legalism: A dead worship system, a dead format Christ has spoiled. Not transferable. Those who see this are instructed to dig deeper and come out of dead works..

Hbr 9:14 "how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"
The Sun of light shines. There we are planted. The sacred office is a reasonable homage(respectful deference, honor and allegiance).
---jhonny on 9/21/07


Robyn:Absolutely and if you truthfully trust in God..as it is you dont sound convincing and believe God when He said He will pour you out a blessing..You hold onto your purse strings too tight..let go friend..the 10% goes back to the OT time when God asked for that portion of your harvest. You sure can give more which I do now and again and yes its up to you also..Most people I know give 10% and trusts God..I do and the blessings overflow in my life..believe it friend
---jana on 9/21/07


Robyn:Absolutely and if you truthfully trust in God..as it is you dont sound convincing and believe God when He said He will pour you out a blessing..You hold onto your purse strings too tight..let go friend..the 10% goes back to the OT time when God asked for that portion of your harvest. You sure can give more which I do now and again and yes its up to you also..Most people I know give 10% and trusts God..I do and the blessings overflow in my life..believe it friend
---jana on 9/21/07


Jhonny,

They don't take anything from me. In obedience I give back to God a portion of what is rightfully all his.

He provides for all my needs, not for my greeds.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Each one must do just as he has purposed in his heart, not grudgingly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
---denna7667 on 9/21/07


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How dare they take percentages from someone on disability and put a religious label on it. Cowards and Hypocrites.
---jhonny on 9/21/07


Robyn: "Tithe" means 10% and was used to support Levites. Above this "Gifts and Offerings" as much as your heart desired. These were used to build Sanctuary, provide items needed for Ministries. God told all always bring something to give when coming before Him. He prefers a willing heart. Some define Tithe (10%) down to match the 2% Faith they have.10% is expected for keeping the Pastors.Above that is Gratitude to God
The Tithe is His. We borrow all from Him here for a short time
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07


Tithing hinders the Holy Spirit. How can He lead you if your following tithing laws?
We are led by the Spirit, not law.
---calhoon on 9/21/07


It is a joy to sow into the work of God - a blessing. if you want to make it 1-2-5-10-100% what's it to any one else.

I think the tithe is a good way to budget my offering.
---Andrea on 9/21/07


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Ryan_Z: Turn off all these other denominations.Pick up your bible and read the Word of God. That is the only List you will ever need. Be convinced of the Word of God in your own mind and proceed forward. I became confused one time. Left organized religion/church for many years. I am glad the Lord taught me the truth through His Word. I came back stronger than ever. Read the Gospel of John. The Holy of Holies: St John chapters 13-17. You will be blessed. Love
---Robyn on 9/21/07


Robyn, (1 of 2)

Being a good steward of your money is the key to it. If your rent is more than you make then you are living above your means and not being a good steward of your money.

I am on a fixed income every month (disability). I budget the best I can, and yes budget includes tithes. I trust God to as it says in Philippians 4:19 And my God will supply all your needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
---denna7667 on 9/21/07


Robyn (2 of 2),

God promises to provide for all your needs, not our greeds. No I do not eat out much or drive a fancy car. I'm not complaining but I give God all the glory and give back to Him a portion of what is rightfully all His. He provides for all my needs.
---denna7667 on 9/21/07


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