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9 Commandments Not 10

In your opinion, should the 10 Commandments be changed to the 9 Commandments by omitting the 4th/sabbath commandment?

Moderator - Jesus left us with two commandments.

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Moderator: The two commandments spoken of by Jesus in the NT was also spoken of by God in the OT - the same two commandments! These commandments are a summary of the 10 commandments.

God blessed the seventh day thousands of years before Moses was even born. Moses was not born on the seventh day of creation so the fourth commandment is not part of the Law of Moses?
---Steveng on 9/23/07


dj: If Lee & Andrea were to "pay attention to the reality of the situation," they would have nothing to say.
---jerry6593 on 9/23/07


Andrea: Yes. We absolutely do not buy or sell anything (for ourselves) from Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday. I would, however buy a necessity item for a needy person on the Sabbath. That's what the Bible teaches. I have also forgiven many debts. And what do you do on Sunday other than unintelligible babbling, etc.?

It is ironic that you, of all people, should quote James 2:10 when you wilfully violate the 4th Commandment.
---jerry6593 on 9/23/07


Mary Glee: *The Bible does not mention undiscernable babbling and emotional hysteria, but rather HEARING the speaker in one's native tongue*

That is what the Bible says. How is that "attacking the messenger?"

And for the record, how many times have you attacked SDAs and Ellen White? Hmmmmm???
---jerry6593 on 9/23/07


"many Adventist's sites give no description of their denominational affiliation. This is deceptive and speaks to the very heart of SDAs"

Many are independent ministries. The church does not dictate to them what they can and cannot do. One should pay attention to the reality of the situation before rushing to false judgment based on the results of false scales.
---djconklin on 9/22/07




Neh 10:31 - We further promise that if the people of the land should bring any merchandise or grain to be sold on the Sabbath or on any other holy day, we will refuse to buy it. And we promise not to do any work every 7th year and to cancel the debts owed to us by other Jews.

Do you cancel debts every 7 yrs and not buy or sell Fri eve till Sat or are you really just a bunch of Pharisee

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
---Andrea on 9/22/07


Lee, the children of Hagar represent those who try to gain salvation by doing it their own way, rather than OBEYING GOD. Sarai gave Hager to Abraham, to have the promised son, and did it her own way, rather than letting God do it His way, thru her. Today, those who are trying to obey by doing it their own way by worship on Sunday (rather than God's way, on Sabbath) represent the children of Hagar. The children of the promise, of Isaac, OBEY God, and keep the true Sabbath.
---Gina7 on 9/22/07


The children of the promise, of Isaac, OBEY God, and keep the true Sabbath. Remember Cain giving his gift of fruit (doing it his own way) was not accepted, but Abel's gift of the animal sacrifice was, because that is what God asked for. Did God ever ask for Sunday to be kept holy? NO. Sunday keepers represent the children of Hagar, of trying to offer God their own way, rather than simple obedience of keeping the 7th day Holy, a day God DOES ask to be kept holy.
---Gina7 on 9/22/07


Sunday keepers represent children of Hagar, of trying to offer God their own way, rather than simple obedience of keeping 7th day Holy, a day God DOES ask to be kept holy. You are a child of Hagar,offering God Sunday, instead of Sabbath,and will you not get upset when you find out that was not accepted? Especially when you KNEW the 7th day was true Sabbath and choose not to keep it? "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good,and doeth it not,to him it is sin" James 4:17
---Gina7 on 9/22/07


"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,by which he obtained witness that he was righteous,God testifying of his gifts" Heb 11:4

Heb 11 details people of Bible whose faith gave them courage to OBEY God at His word, even when it meant killing Isaac. Do we today take God at His word and obey, such as 4th C, keeping Sabbath holy, even if it means loosing jobs? What a small matter in comparason to being called to kill your son, yet most cannot make the sacrifice.
---Gina7 on 9/22/07




*The Bible does not mention undiscernable babbling and emotional hysteria, but rather HEARING the speaker in one's native tongue*

And like so many Adventist debaters when they have exhausted all their arguments and lost, think they can gain an advantage by attacking the messenger.

Typical Adventists technique!
---lee on 9/22/07


7th: Well put! One should no more go to SDA-bashers to learn about Adventism than he would go to Satan to learn about Jesus!

Modern Pentecostalism bears no resemblance whatever to the Day of Pentecost of the Bible. The Bible does not mention undiscernable babbling and emotional hysteria, but rather HEARING the speaker in one's native tongue. Thus, we must question the source of the "spirit" which controls such outbursts.
---jerry6593 on 9/22/07


How does the Christian who really loves the Lord become devoid of emotions?

1Pe 1:8 Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory,

Perhaps the church SeventhSeal goes to can double as a mortuary?
---lee on 9/21/07


He is Worthy, WORTHY IS THE LAMB that was slain, worthy and HOLY , blessed be His name MAY my heart cry out LORD LORD, thank you sweet Lord for all that you have done. For all that You have yet to do. Bless 7th with a heart for you and in you. May his path be straight and true. Bless your Holy Name Jesus.


emotional --- guilty
---Andrea on 9/21/07


Andrea is a Liar. The Seventh Day Adventist Website lists Complete Doctrinal Beliefs Upfront and All the Supporting Scripture for one to look up to compare Doctrine with Scripture.

Her Church does not do that.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07


Andrea: Before you get confused? You already are.

You can not Keep the Commandments of God and You deny Him the Power to Live in Your Heart so that You can Keep them.

How much Scripture one has to Ignore to join to your PENTACOSTAL CULT of EMOTIONALISM.
---SeventhSeal on 9/21/07


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Anyone can research it on '
adventist outreach'
linked on this site but beware Adventist and JWs often do not tell you who they are
"wolves in sheep's clothing"

many Adventist's sites give no description of their denominational affiliation. This is deceptive and speaks to the very heart of SDAs
I've found the same problem with Oneness and Witnesses
I've had to google the names of the authors and when you can't find that - it is definantly cult!
---Andrea on 9/21/07


"(for observers- Ellen white said angels were following everyone recording every sin, evil intent and thought-since Jesus returned in 1844)"

Andrea--where'd you get this whopper from? Now the critics are down 73 to zip.
---djconklin on 9/21/07


" ... Hagar, the present day mother of the SDAs."

We are called to be sons and daughters of the Living God. Since love is (according to that obscure Bible writer, Paul) the fulfillment of the Law--which is really an odd way to write if it was really, really null and void, then our joyful service to Him who died for us is hardly slavery. Now for those who labor under the traditions and teachings of man--well, that's another story.
---djconklin on 9/21/07


" I can only argue one set of heresy at a time. go back to the Mary blog before I get confused."

"before"?!?
---djconklin on 9/21/07


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Andrea: You wrote:

(for observers- Ellen white said angels were following everyone recording every sin, evil intent and thought-since Jesus returned in 1844)
---Andrea on 9/18/07

I paralled your quote, giving it back to you, and now you say "no answer so you attack the messenger" Turn about is fair play. BTW, what was the question?
---jerry6593 on 9/21/07


I beleive there is 11 commandments. But I personally could care less which day your sabbath day is just as long as you keep all 7 days, holy, even as God is holy, Then give one of those days completely to the teachings of God.
---Whisper on 9/20/07


Emcee- dear this is a 7th day adventist cult - your from the catholic cult group. I can only argue one set of heresy at a time. go back to the Mary blog before I get confused.
---Andrea on 9/20/07


Emcee: What? We agree Again?! Wow...When you fully convert to Keep ALL GOD's Commandments rather than Popes...you will make a great Adventist :)
---SeventhSeal on 9/20/07


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Andrea:"YOU ARE FORGIVEN"but who will forgive you for leading souls away from Him if you preach your version of His word using Your interpretation.The answer lies in acknowledgement according to HIS word plus contrition,found in Matt16:17-19 where His word is preached according to HIS WAY.what prevents you from doing this ??one word,P---e.its a word of self condemnation.
---Emcee on 9/20/07


Andrea: Do you deny that there will be a Judgement? Do you deny that there is a Sanctuary in Heaven? Do you Deny that there is a High Priest in Heaven? Do you Deny that there is a Mercy Seat in Heaven? Do you deny that the Mercy Seat Rests on the Ark that Conatins the 10 Commandments? Do you deny that the Golden Candle stick burns in the Sanctuarty in Heaven? Have you read Hebrews? Helloooooooo? You still did not document your false quote.
---SeventhSeal on 9/20/07


*for observers - Andrea hasn't a clue about the beliefs of SDAs or their prophet Ellen White*

Sounds like Hagar's kids from Mt. Sinai are really getting upset.

it is written that Abraham had 2 sons, one by a slave woman, one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, the son of the free woman was born through promise... these women are 2 covenants. One is from Mt Sinai, bearing children for slavery, she is Hagar, the present day mother of the SDAs.
---Lee on 9/20/07


jerry - that's so interesting. hmmmmmm

no answer so you attack the messenger

are you embarrassed by her teaching about the 'investigative judgment' that Jesus is cleansing the Holy of Holies in Heaven and judgment has begun


something like that - the whole teaching is a long waste of time -Jesus Christ died for you to be forgiven - not for you to be temporarily forgiven. Not so that unconfessed sin, evil intent of the heart would be held against yopu.

YOU are FORGIVEN!
---Andrea on 9/20/07


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(for observers - Andrea hasn't a clue about the beliefs of SDAs or their prophet Ellen White. But that doesn't stop her from her bigoted rants against SDAs which her spiritualistic cult teaches.)
---jerry6593 on 9/20/07


harpie-EGW-said Christ did fulfill her (Millers) prophecy that He's up there cleaning the sanctuary as we speak.
She said the prophecy was fulfilled
And about now your name is being judged and then it will be too late but you don't know!

oh what will the recording angels do

they're watching you
they're writing it all down
every thought
oh there's another sin
who can save you from this body of sin and death?

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved
---Andrea on 9/19/07


Angrea: Please document the source of that quote or shut up. If it is true you should have no problem revealing where you got it. every lie you post is being recorded.

Did it come from your own imagination?
---SeventhSeal on 9/19/07


Andria: If you indeed live by faith in Christ's power, then what keeps you from obeying all ten of His commandments? Don't you know that He has enough power to do even that?
---jerry6593 on 9/19/07


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(for observers- Ellen white said angels were following everyone recording every sin, evil intent and thought-since Jesus returned in 1844)
---Andrea on 9/18/07


Andrea: Converted Catholics make the best Christians! They throw away salvation by works of penitance for the Grace that God grants those "Who Keep the Commandments of God (rather than Popes Commands) and the Faith of Jesus" See Revelation the Last Book of the New Testament.

Why refuse ye to do both?
Maybe you should stop digging in and read the Bible cover to cover instead of re-stating the half-truths your preacher gave you. Sincere, yet sincerely wrong..free-pass on ignorance.
---SeventhSeal on 9/18/07


"(for observers- Ellen white said angels were following everyone recording every sin, evil intent and thought-since Jesus returned in 1844)"

Abndrea, Andrea--where did you get this false information from? SDA's do not believe that Jesus returned in 1844. Stop listening to the liars and posting their nonsense--'cause when you don't you make some very good remarks. But, when you listen to the liars you end up with your foot in your "mouth."
---djconklin on 9/18/07


sometimes you SDAs sound so catholic. It funny - works works scarements add a touch of grace but watch out ---not too much.

watch those recording angels - they're busy busy

(for observers- Ellen white said angels were following everyone recording every sin, evil intent and thought-since Jesus returned in 1844)

The ancient Hebrew scholars thought that every nation and individual had a guardian angel.
---Andrea on 9/18/07


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jerry - its about trusting Him
Having HIS FAITH not my own

trust in Him for He is able to do abundantly above all that you could ever think or ask
you must ask for forgiveness

living with the recording angel (hard)

now go ahead turn that into some license to sin----shallow
I live with Christ who is faithful even if I am not
---Andrea on 9/18/07


Andrea: "We repent bc we need to - He has already forgotten it."

Sure sounds like presumption to me.
---jerry6593 on 9/18/07


SDAs - Jesus Christ slam dunked me over 20 years ago. One time and I follow Him, not a man/woman. I try to do the things He taught and I try to have a heart for sinners and the lost that He has.
I don't have a denomination to defend or an ideology. I try to present Jesus Christ as your Savior and mine.
To cults and the world - I can't be drawn into your rancor it is ugly and it produces ugly. I hope I provoke you to enough feeling that maybe you cry out to Him and He'll answer.

be blessed
---Andrea on 9/18/07


7th - I thought you not were reading the scripture I had given. So I thought maybe I'd pray about it and see if God would give me a word you were able to comprehend. giggle hahhaha

I don't need scripture to tell you how much Christ loves you. He forgives you and that it is an ongoing act.......forgiveness. We repent bc we need to - He has already forgotten it.
---Andrea on 9/17/07


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Andre: We are still wating for you to stop twisting away the Commandments of God that YOU refuse to keep. Interesting that you countered nothing I've posted with scripture.
---SeventhSeal on 9/17/07


Andrea: hahahah you truly believe a SLAM DUNK teaching..You? Worship on the Lord"s day and its everyday??? SLAM DUNK. the 7th day is the Sabbath..amen..Go by the teachings of the Bible sister, and you wont be seen a SLAM DUNK. Lord have mercy..
---JANA on 9/16/07


Some cults will tell you that they follow the Bible but in reality they are deceitful as what they really follow is their founders interpretation of the Bible, or they may even consider other sources as authoritative which effectively is really another gospel.
---Lee on 9/16/07


"by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."

And lest we forget:

"Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."
---djconklin on 9/16/07


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Andrea: If law leads you to Christ who also is the law, then what are you afraid of in the 7th day Sabbath that God commanded? If it leads you to Christ then surely it still is intact today..as sure as daylight, we need it to point out the sin in us..or are you a saintly righteous person here..???I would say, "FARR FROM IT' we all are unrighteous
---jana on 9/16/07


For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
---dharma on 9/16/07


Doug Batchelor in his 07revive series pointedly mentions that there are many sincere Christians in other denominations. All cults do their best to make Bible-believing Christians look bad. Christ will repay them on the judgment day, good measure, pressed down and overflowing.
---djconklin on 9/16/07


No 7th - as ususal you try your best to denigrate all other faiths - you learned Ellen well.
Mormons call all other christians abominations too
Muslims. JWs, all cults need to make others look bad - good luck with explaining how that is the gospel of Jesus Christ
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


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lorra: "It was one of the wisest commanments that God gave us, regardless of whether we keep the official Sabbath or the Lord's Day - me, I keep the Lord's Day." Uh... According to the Bible, the Lord's Day IS the Seventh-day Sabbath! Are you now changing from Sunday keeping?
---jerry6593 on 9/15/07


stop twisting 7th its unchristian
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


djconcklin: Great point! Christ Magnified the Commandments. We not only Keep them because of Letter but also because Our Hearts see His Love in giving such a rightful standard for the betterment of ALL beings, Including Him!

It was Satans sin that led the Creator's Death. God is good and His Law is there to protect everyone from ruin, even the wisdom of the 7th Day Sabbath forsaw the rise of a usurper who would try to take Gods Worship unto himself. If we Know Him we see Gods Love in His Law.
---SeventhSeal on 9/14/07


Andrea: Such Duplicity! LOL!!! You claim to "try to keep the 10 Commandments" but also claim "we dont have to" ..So why try if you dont have to?

And you dont try to Keep 10...you feign at keeping 9 when you feel like it or when its convenient. Such conviction you have.

I think that pretty much sums it up.
---SeventhSeal on 9/14/07


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"Christ's standards are higher then just the ten commandments - its deeper - spiritual
anger is murder
looking {with lust in the heart} is adultery"

True. I can guarantee you that someone who isn't keeping even the mere words is violating the spirit of the law ((the first 4 commands:) love God with all your heart mind and strength and (the last 6 commands:) your neighbor as yourself).
---djconklin on 9/14/07


Andrea, you said "We worship from sabbath to sabbath." Correct, but worshipping on a day doesn't make it Sabbath any more than celebrating my birthday today makes it the day I was born. We are to work on 6 days and rest on Sabbath, otherwise how would we keep the other part of the 4th Commandment? - Ex 20:10
---Geoff on 9/13/07


Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

We worship from sabbath to sabbath

The Christian Sabbath is the Sabbath-rest - everyday of the week
So yes we keep all ten commandments

Christ's standards are higher then just the ten commandments - its deeper - spiritual
anger is murder
looking is adultery
Sabbaths are continual
---Andrea on 9/13/07


"We don't go to hell for eating pork and going to church on Sunday."

Only God knows that.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
---djconklin on 9/13/07


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"Galatians clearly says we are delivered from the law."

Paul uses the word "law" in some 2 dozen different ways. In Romans Paul says that "we establish the law"--quite odd for him to say that if we are "delivered" from it, eh? And since the 10C are based on the moral principle of love why should we be delivered from that? Don't we need more love and not less?
---djconklin on 9/13/07


Emcee - when referring to the people that observe the 10 C - there is a heresy in the cults that says you must observe all the 10 C. Galatians clearly says we are delivered from the law.
The law leads us to Christ and Christ gave us a new and better covenant.
We observe the 10C in our hearts.
We don't go to hell for eating pork and going to church on Sunday. br>
We say the 4th C (honor sabbath) is done everyday - we honor God and not just a day
---Andrea on 9/5/07


Andrea:: You always keep going back to the old,as if you are missing something. Put on the new shirt & forget the old its History.The new Garment of Jesus is Glorious.If Columbus did not set sail he would never have found the new world.
---Emcee on 9/5/07


Moderator - "Jesus left us with two commandments."

The same two commandments God spoke of in the old Testament which is the summary of the Ten Commandments which is basically the summary of all the laws of the OT and the prophets. Without the OT there is no NT, no Jesus, no prophesies of Jesus, no Ten Commandments. Without the OT, Jesus would just be another cult leader.
---Steveng on 9/5/07


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"Christ did not glorify the 10 commandments like the Pharisees did but addressed the spirit behind the law by quoting from the law of Moses."

Right on, Lee!
---djconklin on 9/5/07


Maybe we could get the new Pope to irradicate the ten commandments altogether. Why not just throw out the entire old testament?
Obviously Jesus showed that the ten commandments all hinged on those two great commandments. He magnified them all.
---audrey on 9/5/07


thanks Emcee- but I think when I said "I keep the 10C"
I should have said I try to keep the 10C - I'm saying that I try to observe God's standards and the sabbath is everyday....

no harm no foul
---Andrea on 9/5/07


John:: Please leave her alone remember the story of throwing the First stone?She is seeking & being tempered in more ways than one.God has his ways.
---Emcee on 9/5/07


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Hbr 4:7 .... To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


Hbr 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.


Hbr 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.


Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
---Andrea on 9/5/07


John, you are sadly mistaken. You said 2 Cor. 3:15-16 says the OT was done away. NOT SO:

15-But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16-Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
---Geoff on 9/5/07


John, I think you have OT (Old Testament) and OC (Old Covenant) mixed up. Hebrews 8:13
---Geoff on 9/5/07


Andrea. You say you keep all 10 commandments?
Thou shalt not lie. Can you honestlt tell me that you love the Lord with all your heart, soul, and mind, and you neighbour as yourself? I mean , you are not able to love God or us anymore because you are running at maximum love all the time? I think you fall far short of keeping all 10 and you, as we do, still need Jesus.
---john on 9/5/07


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Matthew 22:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Christ did not glorify the 10 commandments like the Pharisees did but addressed the spirit behind the law by quoting from the law of Moses.
---Lee on 9/5/07


Jana. It isn't me who said the OT was done away, I quoted it from the Bible. 2 Cor.3:15-16. Not only is it done away, it was never intended to be forever, but until Christ comes because it is inferior to the NT and Christ's teachings.
---john on 9/5/07


Jesus fulfilled His promise to His new church under His new and better covenant on Pentecost(Sunday). Jesus rose on the first day of the week(Sunday). Jesus explained what His Sabbath meant all throughout the Gospels(mercy and justice).
- White's followers are following EGW not Jesus Christ.

Causing others to stumble under a law no man can follow is not just a choice of which day to worship it is sin - the same sin the Pharisee committed when they accused Jesus of not honoring God's sabbath
---Andrea on 9/5/07


John says Old Testament is done away..In John 1:1,2,3,14 it says Christ is the Word..ALL OF IT NOT JUST PART and made flesh..therfore this whole story is all Christ..How can the OT which also is Christ be done away? It's like, Christ's upper torso is what John is worshiping without the lower torso as its been deleted..10Cs r a transcript of God's Holy character we need 2conform 2 tobe Christlike..its the laws of love of God..John 14:15 IF U LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS. its clear as crystal
---jana on 9/5/07


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No one can change anything that the LORD GOD Almighty YAHUVEH has established as His Moral Laws. The Catholic church believed that "God gave her power to do WHATEVER, so she "changed" the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. But, the Truth IS, is that GOD Himself has never changed it! The 4th Commandment as HE laid it out is STILL in effect! MODERATOR: the 10 Commandments are a "break-down" of the 2 Greatest Commandments which you mentioned. The 7th Day Sabbath is STILL a Commandment.
---Gordon on 9/5/07


The two commandment concept is interesting, in context to Christ's world, this was an understood teaching that encompassed the whole of the law. (The 10C's) Only in recent history do we find this to oppose the 10C's. Christ starts His statement quoting His words in Deuteronomy 6, and 11.
Read all three versions in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
---dan on 9/5/07


Moses was not born on the seventh day of creation. God blessed that day thousands of years before Moses was born. So how could the 4th Commandment be a law of Moses?

Besides, we need the Sabbath today more than any other time in history. Every minute of our lives are filled up with sermans, reading, entertainment, computers, ipods, school, cell phones, etc. that we don't have time to develop a strong personal relationship with God. The Sabbath is our quality time to spend with Him alone.
---Steveng on 9/4/07


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