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Should A Woman Be President

Should a woman be President of the United States?

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*His word still says no! .

Where?
---Lee1538 on 6/26/09


larry--

>>Women tend to be very bad fans of other women seen most clearly in the lack of support by women of women's teams in sports and the "we'd rather watch the men" mentality. This destructive attitude permeates other more important areas of society....<<

I respectfully disagree. The average woman does not place sports high on her list of interests. Male sports get greater exposure and most of the publicity! Why wouldn't they interest a woman more?
I don't see this as an attitude of women permeating society. If so, how did the womens movement catch on? IMHO, women are not generally as competitive as men. They are conditioned to be "peacemakers" not aggressors and aren't as drawn to the political fray.
---Donna66 on 6/25/09


This is not a theocracy, the president is a secular position and there is no biblical reason to oppose the secular ascension of women in a secular society.

Secularly timing WILL DEPEND ON WOMEN who are a majority of the electorate and their general lack of support for other women collectively. This cannot be blamed on men.

Women tend to be very bad fans of other women seen most clearly in the lack of support by women of women's teams in sports and the "we'd rather watch the men" mentality. This destructive attitude permeates other more important areas of society.
In short, women are smart but generally not on one accord where biblical principles come into play concerning group or societal accomplishments.
---larry on 6/25/09


Lee1538:
Racist, sexist, Islamist? You have a dishonest style of writing, and are attempting to deceive people, 2Corinthians 2:17, 4:2. Proverbs 1:7, 21-33 (29), Romans 1:21-22, 8:5-8 1Corinthians 2:1-16 (14), 8:1-2, 2Timothy 3:7-8, 2Peter 3:16.
Donna66:
Hadassah wasn't a leader. Barak was the military leader, Judges 4:7, 14, 5:12. Golda Meir is a particularly bad example of a leader, Isaiah 3:12.
Gordon:
God allows us to make foolish and sinful choices, but he in no way approves of them. His word still says no! They would have to amend the Constitution to allow a female to serve in the office. The U.S. Constitution, Article II, says he, and his, several times. Also, Amendments 12 & 25.
---Glenn on 6/24/09


Gordon -- I can't image a time when NO MEN would be interested in running for public office! The lure of power and prestige is so great that even the poorly qualified aspire to high office. (I sometimes wonder if the SMARTEST men aren't too wise to take on the responsibility)

It's not like "church work", for instance, where one might receive no notice or credit at all. Women seem to fit into these jobs more easily...perhaps because it's like the work they do at home... which they usually perform without fanfare.
---Donna66 on 6/24/09




Well, if there would no willing men to step up to the plate, what choice would we have? I personally believe that the office of the President was meant to be filled by a man. I believe that is GOD's original design. But, if a righteous man will not be found, GOD can lift up a woman to do it. And, that, if nothing more than to provoke a man to jealousy and to encourage him to take the role instead. And, women have qualities that GOD can use in such a position, if there will be no man.
---Gordon on 6/24/09


Jill - 12/06/07

If you are still looking is it 1Corinthians 11:10?
---SuzieH on 6/24/09


I think Glen thinks like his Islamic brethren in keeping women in their place.
---Lee1538 on 6/23/09


Women being PM Don't make me laugh!


She spent how many hundreds of thousands of Tax payers money searching for her son in the Falklands War, she was the worse PM eva but then so was following Gray John Major, I guess like I said b/fore men mess up too!
---Carla3939 on 6/23/09


Glenn~ I basically agree, and what better calling is there than for a woman to care for her household?

But don't you believe there might be some rare exceptions such as Deborah?

Do you believe women can work outside the home etc.

I do believe that now that more women do work outside the home it seems:
-the divorce rate drastically increased
-more children left home alone without Mom to guide, but are left with many devices leading to potential wickedness (tv, computer, magazines, video games, cell phones etc.)
-more greed driven kids

I wish more women loved their godly role above all which has eternal benefits over temporal 'pleasure' and 'power' pursuits.
---Anne on 6/23/09




1/2
The Lord says no *1!
A woman was designed to be predominately concerned with her household *2, and can't be "obedient" to her husband *3, yet immodest to other men. It is a noble and honorable job for a woman to raise Godly children, 1Timothy 2:15. Though, for a few illustrious older women, Titus 2:3-5. To do otherwise, is to bring a curse on your household, congregation, city, or on the land *4. Please see comments, Glenn, 6/5 & 6/15.
Finally, It is the Lord who limits leadership by women. And yes, God loves both women & men, and in fact, so much so that he wants them to do his will, not their own.
---Glenn on 6/23/09


2/2
*1) Numbers 23:19, Psalm 89:34, Isaiah 14:24, Malachi 3:6.
*2) Psalm 128:3, Proverbs 31, 1Timothy 2:9-10, 15, 5:10, Titus 2:4-5, 1Peter 3:4-6.
*3) Husband: Genesis 3:16 (4:7), Ephesians 5:22-24, 33, Colossians 3:18, Titus 2:5, 1Peter 3:1-2, 5-6. In general: 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:34-35, 1Timothy 2:11-14. Parent: Exodus 20:12.
*4) Genesis 2:18, 20, 3:16 (Eve desires to rule over Adam / 4:7, Sin desires to rule over Cain), Genesis 3:17-19 (Isaiah 32:13), Numbers 12 (whereat Miriam, not Aaron, gets leprosy), Deuteronomy 22:5 & 1Corinthians 11:1-(16), Isaiah 3:12-4:1, 32:9-14, Amos 4:1-4.
---Glenn on 6/23/09


Hi carla,
Hey does it teach in your history books that a bunch of commoners/peasents in America got their rakes & pitch forks out and whooped the biggest army of that time :)

It's a wonderous thing when God is in control, no matter what man wants, it always comes out His way...
YLBD
---YLBD on 6/23/09


*Our PM messed up the whole system of balance by meddling in areas she didn't have a clue would cause havoc Today.

Perhaps being a woman, you can make the same assertion about yourself?

There has been women as well as men in government that have done a good or bad job or something in between.
---Lee1538 on 6/23/09


Our PM messed up the whole system of balance by meddling in areas she didn't have a clue would cause havoc Today.

She cause the nation to use the system to get housing/benefits through having children, and when they did that she took all the provisions for school meals, Childcare provisions like bus passes,free school uniforms, married couples and families were shut out of many provisions, Crushed many large/ small Business, privatised all the hospitals and many Government run organisations such as Gas, Electricity, Hospitals ect and the Country is in a right state!

Yet everyone blames poor Gordon Brown, Their all responsible right but nothing like what Maggie Did!
---Carla3939 on 6/21/09


Should a woman be President of the USA?

Only if the rules that supposedly governor women in the church also apply to secular professions.

I am doubtful if there are any restrictions given in Scripture that restrict any profession that a woman is capable of doing.

Those that believe otherwise are properly labeled as being sexists.
---Lee1538 on 6/20/09


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Not only did Queen Esther save her people from annihilation, and Debra lead them into Battle, but in the 20th century Jewish prime Minister, Golda Meir, was instrumental in their statehood and is beloved even today.

Thus I think it's hard to make the case that God disallows a female president of the US. It's not an office many women are suited for, in my opinion. The Presidency requires a certain "hardness" that is rare in women. But I see no reason why a woman should not be evaluated by the same standards as a man for the highest office in the land.
---Donna66 on 6/16/09


*Christians object to women in leadership because it violates Gods order, and because the Lord says no.

The major problem with that argument is that there is virtually NOTHING in the Scripture that says leadership must be confined to men. Anybody even familiar with the Bible would easily see that God has at times called women into leadership roles.

Those that refuse to see that are in the bondage of sexism and really refuse to see their view is in reality a Satanic effort to hinder the gospel.

Ga 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free, stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
---Lee1538 on 6/16/09


Christians object to women in leadership because it violates Gods order, and because the Lord says no. Those who don't object: Satan, Genesis 3:1-6, rebels, 1Samuel 8:7, 1Corinthians 10:9-10, the unlearned, 2Timothy 2:15, 3:6-7, 4:3, Hebrews 5:13, wolves, Matthew 7:15, Act 20:29.
God does not support people in their rebellion, and does not accept their impure gifts, Proverbs 15:8, Isaiah 66:3, Malachi 1:6-11. A person should not expect to hear from the Lord in that rebellious state, except the word 'repent', Psalm 73:11, Proverbs 3:13, Isaiah 47:10-11. 1Samuel 15:22-23, Isaiah 5:20-21, 63:10, 1Corinthians 10:9-10 (Numbers 21:5-6), Hebrews 3:12.
---Glenn on 6/15/09


If a woman can be a judge to all Israel, then YES, a woman can be President.
God has not changed from OT to NT even though some have said he has by quoting certain scripture from Paul thinking he was restricting women. When actually he was addressing a problem with former idol worshipers in a newly established Church. Paul was a jew and he knew the story of Deborah well. So, why else would he write these certain scripture to restrict women?
Paul would certainly NOT deny Deborah was in charge because that would have been him going against what God ordained. So, he was addressing a problem NOT restricting women forever.
---miche3754 on 6/5/09


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These verses prohibit women ruling over men: 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38), and 1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15). By making reference to Adam and Eve, Paul applies these verses to their descendants. Also, Genesis 3:16 (4:7), Deuteronomy 22:5, Numbers 12, Isaiah 3:12.
---Glenn on 6/5/09


I read in the Bible long ago something that says.."Yes, a woman shall..." and I've been searching tirelessly for years trying to find this quote. I believe it pertained to something about control and/or power but I could be wrong. I have no idea where or in what context this quote is found. Can anyone out there please find this for me? Thanking you in advance..Jill
---Jill on 12/6/07


I read in the Bible long ago something that says.."Yes, a woman shall..." and I've been searching tirelessly for years trying to find this quote. I believe it pertained to something about control and/or power but I could be wrong. I have no idea where or in what context this quote is found. Can anyone out there please find this for me? Thanking you in advance..Jill
---Jill on 12/6/07


The writer never said the message was for that Church only it was an example of womens behavior that was out of line at that time. Women rightly should be silent in Church if the occasion arises and they have to stand in that gap do so if absolute bible truth needs to be addressed through either your husband/single man or someone else's hubby. His steps are ORDERED by God.
---Carla5754 on 10/29/07


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Jana, you said "He said men are the head of a household and women are to keep quiet.."

That is specific to the women in the church at Corinth, not in everyday life. If your going to quote the Bible at least do it right.
---NurseRobert on 9/28/07


Stepheng:

Judges 2:18
"And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them"

3:15-26 Ehud assassinates Eglon
3:31 Shagmar slew 600 Philistines
15:15-20 Samson slew 1000 Philistines then judged 20 years

These are military leaders, not just theological adjudicators.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/07


Steveng:

I HAVE read the Bible. Several times.

I consider myself an iconoclast - I don't worship the sacred cows that this preacher or that sets up - I smash them to pieces with the hammer of "Please show me chapter and verse, otherwise, I'm not listening."

I'm perfectly willing to change any of my own pre-conceived beliefs, if someone can demonstrate to me where they are incorrect (usually by citing chapter and verse). My own sacred cows are just as eligible for smashing.
---StrongAxe on 9/25/07


StrongAxe: "So you are saying...

It's not me, it's right there in the Bible. Right there in black and white. If you would only read the entire Bible instead of just listening to the "Sunday" preachers, reading of the "Sunday" sermons, or believing what man tells you, you will get a lot out of the Word of God. Trust the Holy Spirit for guidance.
---Steveng on 9/23/07


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StrongAxe: "During the time when Israel had no kings, the Judges WERE the leaders of the people."

On the contrary, they were judges of God's law. Again, read the Bible.
---Steveng on 9/23/07


apparently our moderator is not an American. I've been censored again. two women who dont think women should be president. I wrote against Paul by the way, guess the moderator didnt like that...shame on you fascists.
---alexia on 9/23/07


but then my research regarding fundamentalists suggests they truly dont believe in democracy but theocracy...Sounds more like Iran here than a western democracy.
---alexia on 9/23/07


moderator: I bad mouth this site everywhere I go for its intolerable censoring of free speech. I blog about you guys, and I spread the word. There are wonderful forums where folks can speak.Shame on you so-called Christians in name only.
---alexia on 9/23/07


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Steveng:

You said:
"There is a huge difference between a judge, a queen and a leader of people."

During the time when Israel had no kings, the Judges WERE the leaders of the people.
---StrongAxe on 9/23/07


Steveng:

You said:
"Yes there can, the prayers of the many. How many times in the Bible did God want to do something, but prayers stopped it."

So you are saying that God COULD want a woman president, but if enough Christians (who want the opposite, so they are opposed the will of God) prayed to him to stop her from winning, he would make her lose?
---StrongAxe on 9/23/07


Mary: "A lot of prayers does not change GOD's will."

There were many instances in the Bible were the people's will was done. One, I gave a couple of posts ago where God's will was to have no king for Israel, but the people insisted. Another time was when God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, but Lot questioned God, asking if ten people were 'good' would he destroy the cities. God said, "No." Read the Bible thoroughly, not just what they teach at church.
---Steveng on 9/22/07


No I don't think women should be president, however, we would probably do a better job than some, but I don't think Hilary is right for the job either.
---ANN on 9/22/07


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Jana, We have in the United States seperation of church and state. The country is run by the secular constitution, not the Bible, basic civics 101. I could care less about trans-females in NZ. A woman president yes, as long as its not socialist Hillery.
---MikeM on 9/22/07


Jana, We have in the United States seperation of church and state. The country is run by the secular constitution, not the Bible, basic civics 101. I could care less about trans-females in NZ. A woman president yes, as long as its not socialist Hillery.
---MikeM on 9/22/07


Whom did God put forward to be woman leader? He said men are the head of a household and women are to keep quiet..so likewise a country cannot have a woman leader..Gosh look at New Zealand..they have a transvestite in cabinet who now thinks hes a woman and dresses as one and goes to womens toilets, a druggie, gay, etc therefore NO ABSOLUTELY NO..Follow Gods way..Hillary? Never..
---jana on 9/22/07


Would someone please tell me how posts that say things like "evil anti-American Psychodike witch" meets the first crteria of "Reply Hints" it says "iblical and Christ-like"?
A lot of prayers does not change GOD's will. Remember the Lord's Prayer "Thy will be done"?
I came to this web-site looking for Christian Attitude and fellowship. Not opiniated legalist who are creating GOD in their own image.
---Mary on 9/21/07


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betty8468: As you wish.
---Steveng on 9/21/07


My reality is that His will be done on earth as it is heaven. And that is all I will say on this matter.
---betty8468 on 9/21/07


betty8468: Fisrt of all, you need a reality check.

Second, you are NOT me.

Third, God never intended Israel to have a king. It was because the Israelites insisted upon it.

Fourth, but not least, how could the right president be elected if most of the voters are not Chrisitans or are weak, self-centered Christisns.
---Steveng on 9/20/07


stevenq... If I were you I'd be praying for God to put in the person that He wants as president NOT who you or anyone else does not want. I believe it goes like this... Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven....
---betty8468 on 9/19/07


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betty8468: "But as I said, if God wants a woman as president there is no one or nothing that can stop it.

Yes there can, the prayers of the many. How many times in the Bible did God want to do something, but prayers stopped it.
---Steveng on 9/18/07


stevenq... judges were the leaders in Israel until they decided to have a king. But as I said, if God wants a woman as president there is no one or nothing that can stop it.
---betty8468 on 9/18/07


betty8468: "search the Scriptures for yourself. Deborah was a great judge in Israel. Esther was made a queen and saved her people. If God wants a woman as president, one will be there."

There is a huge difference between a judge, a queen and a leader of people.
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---Steveng on 9/14/07


Andrea: That's three! I agree that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ alone. Do you believe that you can do all things through Christ - even keep from sinning?
---jerry6593 on 9/10/07


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ralph7477:

As I mentioned earlier, it's hard for women to get into that position (due mostly to social attitudes rather than merit), so the likelihood that a second woman candidate will be available immdiately after the first one leaves office is statistically unlikely.

(For example, if the chance of getting a successful woman leader were totally random, and about 1 in 10, the chance of getting two in a row would be about 1 in 100).
---StrongAxe on 9/9/07


Alexia:

Oh, so sorry you got exactly the opposite impression from my last post than I was trying to convey.

Jesus didn't say anything about women in leadership - that is, he said absoutely nothing AGAINST them. He didn't tell women to spend their lives barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/07


I believe that as long as a woman has the right morals and Godly values that it would be fine. But not Hillary Clinton, maybe condalisa rice(spelled right?) a woman with strong character, integrity,and good morals and values. A woman that cares about America and the needs of the American people.
---Cynthia on 9/9/07


Stevenq... search the Scriptures for yourself. Deborah was a great judge in Israel. Esther was made a queen and saved her people. If God wants a woman as president, one will be there.
---betty8468 on 9/9/07


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Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

See God's heart.
---Andrea on 9/9/07


StrongAxe, Jesus didnt say much about men regarding those institutions either. If you dont see the radical nature of Jesus' relationship to women, well maybe we are reading two different books.
---alexia on 9/9/07


Hi Alexia :) Thank you, sorry I was a little confused before. I was also glad to see what you said to Steven about "not going there"--I too felt that way but didn't know what to say. Only in Heaven will men (and women)be truly like Jesus!
---Mary on 9/8/07


I know jerry its scary sometimes isn't it. Just when you think you'd like to strangle me - we find out maybe we're not so different after all. Be blessed and remember - it was grace that saved you.
---Andrea on 9/8/07


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alexia:

I don't recall Jesus having much (if anything at all) to say about women as leaders, presidents, kings, etc.
---StrongAxe on 9/8/07


Andrea: Wow! That's two things we agree on.
---jerry6593 on 9/8/07


Mary, Jesus' relationship to women was radical for its time. The mere fact that 2000 years later we are even asking the question should a woman be president suggests we have not learned his teachings well at all. Stephen....you really dont want to go there to Eve being the downfall of Adam.
---alexia on 9/8/07


Woman in this country are overwhelmingly pro-abort.
I'd vote for Condie Rice in a heartbeat but not a pro-abort canidate.

I cannot imagine why a christian would support a million babies a year dying in the mothers womb for convenience. NEVER!

if you ever think God may have held judgment back bc there is a remnant in this country - I believe He will judge us rightfully if Christians back abortionists.

And they may as well have a knife in their own hands!
---Andrea on 9/8/07


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Sure! I'd vote for a Maggie Thatcher type or even for Condi Rice (the REAL smartest woman in the world). But I'd never vote for an evil anti-American psychodike witch like Hillary.
---jerry6593 on 9/8/07


It should be noted that almost all countries or states that have had female leaders have always gone back to male leadership once the woman's term was up. I wonder why that is.
I could vote for a woman of virtue but, as the Bible asks, who can find one? The vicious woman asking for votes now is certainly not qualified.
---ralph7477 on 9/8/07


Although women had been leaders before and their countires on the surface SEEM to be ok according to man's idea, but you need to remember who got us into sin in the first place. God never wanted Israel to have a king, but the people demanded it and look how it turned out. Besides women are not to rule over man (in church or otherwise). Search the scriptures.
---Steveng on 9/7/07


What do you mean, Alexia? God has put some women in leadership before and they've done well, so what are you saying, exactly? Thanks and God bless. :)
---Mary on 9/7/07


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It doesn't matter whether a man or a woman is President. Anyone who thinks that the President is running this country is misinformed.
---Susie on 9/7/07


Does this question leave Hillary out???
Hillery, Dillary, Dock
They always run up the clock
The clock stuck one
Hillary is one
So away they all run............
Whoa! For good reason.
---Elder on 9/7/07


What's sad is that people are actually having this discussion as if there is anything to discuss. Seems Jesus hasnt been followed very well has he?
---alexia on 9/7/07


Look at female leaders of other nations, and how they compared to the men of their days:

Queens Elizabeth I and II and Victoria all ruled over the longest and most stable periods of England's history.

Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, and Margaret Thatcher were all formidable leaders. Maybe because most societies are biased against female leaders, so a woman has to work twice as hard to get to the top - so the few that make it there have proved their ability to be there.

[Formerly Mark]
---StrongAxe on 9/6/07


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If it's the right woman, I think it would be great! :) Not to say I'm gonna vote for Hillary though--not sure yet who I will vote for but honestly, can we do any worse (in my opinion and most likely the opinions of thousands of families who don't have their beloveds anymore) than George W Bush?
---Mary on 9/6/07


It doesn't matter. Church and State are "divided" so it has little to do with the church doctrine. God allows the appointment of officials so who is to say that is is wrong if a woman took office. I do not think it will happen in my lifetime (which has many more years:). Biologically,stress tolerance manifests differently in men and women so it would be interesting to watch the coping mechanisms of a woman pres. golf:)support groups:)racing:)church:)committment:}delegation:)eating?)perversion?)
---jody_martin on 9/6/07


Yes if she can do it. Being a leader, a president is not jsut a mans role. If a female can show us as a nation she can lead us then yes I would vote for her.
---candice on 9/6/07


According to the Constitution of the US, a woman is certainly qualified to be president. In looking at other countries' histories, women have ruled other countries with success. Israel had Golda, Britain had Margaret, and India had Indira.

To say that a woman should not be president of the US shows great ignorance and sexism.
---Trish9863 on 9/5/07


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I do not believe so. The question of a women having authority over a man may be limited to the church but I doubt that. I never saw my mother call my father down, but looking back now I realize that her input was very responsible for the families' success. It is possible that Hillary has already been president minus the trappings.
---Mima on 9/5/07


I would say that there are a number of women whom are qualified to be President of the United States. But Hillery Clinton is not among them!!!
---notlaw99 on 9/5/07


Who Billary?
I wonder if Bill will be able to keep his hands of the other presidents spouses? Maybe he'll just call it public relations.
---Andrea on 9/5/07


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