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Does Bible Contradict Itself

How do you respond to people that say the Bible contradicts itself?

Moderator - I would say show me and then properly explain.

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when paul was speaking there was no bible. That didnt come for nearly 400 years. We have no originals, all are copies. The copies are remarkably close to each other, they repeat the same errors. original vs copy is not the issue.
---alexia on 9/19/07
Just a small point Alexia... There was no formalized New Testament at that time. The Hebrew Bible was quite complete in Paul's day..
---Tony on 9/28/07


The Bible quotes a dozen other books, ones no longer in the Bible as scripture. The 'Bible' did not become the Bible until around 380AD, as done by RCC Bishops- This is all historical, unrefutable fact
---MikeM on 9/28/07


perhaps we dont have to go to your leaps of illogic. To admit the errors,(there are some massive ones in Neh. and Ezra btw)does not mean God lies. God never said he wrote the book, so your conclusion is irroneous. You BELIEVE God wrote the book, so you create your own problem, and look silly making these unsupportable claims.
---alexia on 9/28/07


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Bottom line in this is accountability.

If by reason, mankind finds a contradictory, erroneous Bible, then God is no more than mere man, capable of error.

If he is like man, capable of error, then mankind does not have to obey a non-superior being.
---Observer on 9/28/07


You people have it WRONG. If you really study and use Bible tools you would find out even with many translations, God's word does not, can not, will not, contradict. And remember, dabbling in this stuff you are in essence saying, God you contradict yourself". Now you can argue, reason, debate, and use your logic, all you want to.
---catherine on 9/27/07




I find one contradiction in James when he says we can show faith by our works. Thats simply not true. We can do good works for many reasons, some good and some bad.
---calhoon on 9/27/07


you can call them minor variations, they are errors. Whole lists have been added here, you refute none of them. the Bible did not exist until the 400's CE. The reason for this is because too many had different collections, and some of it was believed heretical. Geesh, do a tiny bit of research guys. Nobody had complete copies...duh...
---alexia on 9/27/07


It is a popular myth that the Bible was somehow "invented" in the 4th Century (AD 300-400). The churches had the Old Testament and most of the New by around 90 or so, with copies carefully guarded (often, with their lives) and passed along as soon as they were received. (Even some instructions in Epistles about sharing them out once they've read them.
---Robert_Easter on 9/27/07


The Nicene councils functioned as opportunities for the elders to compare notes and find where they were in agreement as to which documents God had provided as essential to the Faith.
---Robert_Easter on 9/27/07


For all the doubters try reading Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell.
---denna7667 on 9/26/07




"If four witnesses should appear before a judge to give an account of a certain event. And each witness should tell exactly the same story in the same words. The judge would probably conclude, not that their testimony was exceptionally valuable, but that the only event which was certain beyond a doubt was that they had agreed to tell the same story. But if each man had told what he had seen, as he had seen it, then the evidence would be credible. Cont.
---catherine on 9/26/07


Cont. on Bible does not contradict.>>>And when we read the four gospels, is that not exactly what we find? The four men tell the same story in their own way.">>>It should be furthermore noted that the four gospel accounts should not be considered a Biographical summary of Christ's life, but rather a Theological Summary. Almost all of His early life from birth to age thirty is left out.
---catherine on 9/26/07


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alexia

No one has ever claimed an error free translation, that is foolishness. We do claim that the autographs are inerrant.

Scribes copying the autographs did so manually, and made minor variations in spelling, or grammar, and sometimes in word choice. But they are NOT errors, as you allege.

Taking all the variations existing, and comparing them with other mss is how we derive what the autographa were.
---John_T on 9/20/07


when paul was speaking there was no bible. That didnt come for nearly 400 years. We have no originals, all are copies. The copies are remarkably close to each other, they repeat the same errors. original vs copy is not the issue.
---alexia on 9/19/07


"The writers of the books in the Bible were all guided by God And He does not make mistakes. We make mistakes with translations and interpretations etc"

Then the book is not the inerrent work of God because it was copied incorrectly with many errors. See its simple...God cannot error. There are errors, Therefore someone others than God made errors, Therefore the book is not inerrent.
---alexia on 9/19/07


The writers of the books in the Bible were all guided by God And He does not make mistakes. We make mistakes with translations and interpretations etc.
---cheryl on 9/19/07


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Calhoon
Of course there are errors in the Bible because translations are not perfect


There are NO "mistakes" in the original documents

Translations are not the same as original mss

Because we are now able to see the NT mss closest to the originals, we are able to determine what the originals say with 99.95% accuracy.

That is an insignificant amount of uncertainty.

---John_T on 9/18/07


Alexia ... Whilst the Bible is according to Paul the inerrant word of God, Paul made no such claim for any of the translations made over the years (even the KJV)
The Authorised Version (KJV) translators themselves made no claim of inspiration.
---alan_of_UK on 9/18/07


Of course there are errors in the bible because translations are not perfect.Why do you think there are different denominations out there? Why are we here in disagreement? Why do we need a concordance?

---calhoon on 9/18/07


bartel, I agree in part, but when you wish to claim that the bible is the inerrent word of God, mistakes CANT happen. I guess this topic is dead, we've gone from no errors, to so what if there are. Plug your ears again kids.
---alexia on 9/18/07


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"If there are seeming contradictions, delve into original documents, compare translations, research the historical and cultural context, and identify the literary style. And every once in while, admit that you just don't know - its okay!"

Very well put!
---djconklin on 9/18/07


Sal,

Jesus was fully God and fully man. He is one part of the Trinity. (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

Why did Jesus have to die? Hebrews 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,
---denna7667 on 9/17/07


The Bible is sliced, diced, and post holed by Christians and non-Christians alike. Faith assures us that the Bible is God's Word. If there are seeming contradictions, delve into original documents, compare translations, research the historical and cultural context, and identify the literary style. And every once in a while, admit that you just don't know - its okay!
---bartel on 9/17/07


---calhoon wrote: Who cares if the bible has contradictions. If you have the Spirit in you, you will know His will. Dont be a weak Christian.

Jesus cares. Matthew 5:18 (KJV) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
---John_T on 9/17/07


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Ok, so there are contradictions. It is our job to find the truth. Take Colossians 1:24 for instance. Did Jesus suffer enough, or did Paul have to finish the job? What I see is not only a contradiction, but openly blasphemy! Paul not only lied, but it was against God. Since Paul does this over and over, it therefore appears Paul is a false apostle.
---Rich on 9/17/07


If the bible is the inerrent word of God there can be no errors. God does not make mistakes. So don't try the it doesn't matter tack. Reconcile : 2Sam.18:18 with 2Sam 14:27, 2Pet.3:9 with 2Thess. 2:11-12, John 13:36 with John 16:5. You give us no answers, just mumble about there are answers somewhere.
---alexia on 9/17/07


Who cares if the bible has contradictions. If you have the Spirit in you, you will know His will.
Dont be a weak Christian
---calhoon on 9/17/07


The bible does contradict itself, well if you believe that Jesus was God. Its says 2 times that I know of that "No man has seen God at anytime" and in 1 timothy it says god is immortal. If Jesus was God how could he then die? It says Jesus was a man, the son of God, not God the son. Modern Christian doctrine teaches otherwise and they teach it using non-biblical terms.
---Sal on 9/17/07


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alexia - have you googled - 'bible contrdictions' - there are apologists that answer and or account for them all
---andre5846 on 9/16/07


"Some are just plain and simple wrong."
That implies that one can prove it. Most likely it is either one's hermeneutics that are wrong--most critics use very simplistic, woooden and literalistic reading to create their "contradictions." There may be some thgings that we will never be able to understand--but, that doesn't make them wrong.
---djconklin on 9/16/07


denna, this is not meant to shake anyones faith only help us to see that when man's hand is involved there are mistakes. For us to say there are NONE is one of the reasons the world can not except the truth any longer. Yes you and I as well as others on here walk by faith not by sight, but when we walk with blinders on and not see the whole picture it causes others to loose face. n.
---evangelistjerry on 9/16/07


Part 2 Many a Christians (supposed anyway) have turned from the faith because we deny mistakes not only in the Bible but in our own lives as well. These contradictions and mistakes do not shake my faith at all, if any thing it makes my faith the the all knowing and omni present God even more because I know that he is the one that holds my future and the ma
---evangelistjerry on 9/16/07


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You continue to avoid the issue. If you are shown contradictions, and you have been, you must either concede that the bible contains error, or simply refuse to answer. If the book contains error, either God is a lousy writer, or you cant hold God responsible for whats in it. You seem to express no willingness to think differently either btw.
---alexia on 9/16/07


Alexia,

You miss the point of what I was saying and in your prejudice state you never will. All I was saying is two people never see the same event the same or in the same perspective. Just as you and I will never see the Bible the same.

As far as a difference in age from one book to another (As Evangelist Jerry has pointed out) that does not and never will shake my faith in a holy God and never will.
---denna7667 on 9/16/07


denna, to make some obsurd statement based on what you see today as an explanation for inconsistency is hardly an answer. You ignored Ezra and Nehemiah completely. The errors in the bible are in the hundreds...any good google will show them to you and you can figure out IF you can reconcile them.
---alexia on 9/15/07


conklin, I thought you were not finding the site. I dont believe at all that all the errors can be reconciled. Some are just plain and simple wrong. Always happens when humans write stuff.
---alexia on 9/15/07


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>conklin. I have no problem.

Okay, I thought you thought that there were contradictions and errors in the Bible.
---djconklin on 9/14/07


denna7667, We have offered you at least 2 different contradictions or mistakes in the Bible. As I said before God's word is absolute but when man's hand gets involved there are bound to be mistakes. Again we have given you 2 examples of this, When Jesus said don't take a staff in Mat. and Luke and it says he told them to take a staff in Mark. Also the age difference of king Ahaziah which 2nd Cron. says he was 42 and 2nd Kings says he was 22 and it is the same king. Here are 2 proofs of mistakes.
---evangelistjerry on 9/14/07


My head would explode if I had to suppress so much reality to maintain my belief.
---alexia on 9/14/07

that is so true giggle ...smile...giggle
---andre5846 on 9/14/07



Alexia,
You have offered no proof of contradiction either. I promise you that if you and I saw the same incident there would be different descriptions and view points of what happened. That is a FACT!
---denna7667 on 9/14/07


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conklin. I have no problem. i thought you wanted a better site. Its easy to find. To denna, you offer suppositons but no answers. You don't really want to figure it out just say "prove a contradiction". I have..
---alexia on 9/14/07


I truly dont know how fundies deal with it. They can't allow the book to have any error, yet it obviously does. So they are back into the NNAANNANA I cant hear you mode. My head would explode if I had to suppress so much reality to maintain my belief.
---alexia on 9/14/07


If the Bible is words of man, "inspired" by God, not written, it's acceptable to contain such errors. But the problem is some guys really believe EVERY word in the Bible. It's not the Bible that errs, it's the people who read it in a compulsive way.
---Albert on 9/13/07


"dconcklin. It under bible, and try contraditions or inconsistencies. "

I looked under Bible contradictions in wiki--there's nothing significant about any of the one's that are mentioned. Which alleged problem is bothering you?
---djconklin on 9/12/07


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the only one I have found so far that I could not explain with written proof is where Jesus told the disciples in Mark 6:8 to take nothing but a staff and in Mat.10:10 and Luke 9:3 he told them not to. The only way I have been able to explain it so far is that it is a translation error. And the word staves in Mat. and Luke is the same as staff in Mark.
---evangelistjerry on 9/12/07


the bottom line is that we as humans make mistakes. As I told another preacher once, yes, the Bible is the inspired word of God, but it was written down by the hands of men thereby there can be mistakes. If God were to put his hand on there's when they wrote it then it would not be inspired by God it would have been written by God. Thereby God inspired the FREE WILL of man to write it, but as I told this preacher when we get behind the pulpit to preach our messages our inspired by God,
---evangelistjerry on 9/12/07


Part 2 if we are in tune with the Spirit, but, though the messages are inspired by God does not mean that we as humans can't fumble SOME of the message up by letting the flesh get in the way from time to time. If the flesh never got in the way then we would not be human any longer. For some more of what atheists CALL contradictions look up the SKEPTICS ANOINTED BIBLE
---evangelistjerry on 9/12/07


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Mod nailed the correct answer: There are no contradictions in Scripture
---John_T on 9/12/07


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Andrea:

The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction. Its biggest problem is that many people take it seriously as non-fiction, because they believe that it's based on established historical facts, which just isn't true.

This is not a fallacy of deluded scientists or deluded theologians - it is a fallacy of deluded consumers.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/07


EvangelistJerry,
Which one was that, if the space allows. I'm no Bible expert or great theologian but I am curious as to which one.
---denna7667 on 9/12/07


Elexia,
Without looking at the Sanhedrin point its probably because of different opinions or vantage points. You can have 6 people at an accident and each one sees something different from their view point and recollection. Also the Bible is not always put together in chronological order either. 1 Thessalonians was perhaps the first book written in the New Testament. It was written close to 51 A.D. by Paul.
---denna7667 on 9/12/07


andrea, associating the davinci code to evolution is so beyond a stretch. ROFL...please try to be a bit rational here.
---alexia on 9/12/07

I was very rational. I have found no need to compromise the Bible. Not bc evolution would not be able to fit - I've heard the popes arguments. It is absolutely unnecessary to change the word of God to fit the fables of men. And I would stand toe to toe with any of your pseudo-christian scientist and say it.
---Andrea on 9/12/07


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denna, I couldnt give you any off the top of my head either...but here. Reconcile Ezra 2 and Nehemiah7. In the synoptics Jesus cleanses the temple during his last week in Jerusalem, in John,it occurs at the beginning of his ministry.The synoptics have Jesus appearing before theentire sanhedrin, In john, before only 2.
---alexia on 9/12/07


Denna, I could give you dozens upon dozens more, but this difficult format they insist on here just makes it too hard.
---alexia on 9/12/07


dconcklin. It under bible, and try contraditions or inconsistencies. The article favors neither side, but gives the best evidence for both. No one can dispute the inconsistencies, only the conclusions to be drawn.
---alexia on 9/12/07


andrea, associating the davinci code to evolution is so beyond a stretch. ROFL...please try to be a bit rational here.
---alexia on 9/12/07


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denna7667, try asking some hardcore atheists about these contradictions. Again I say that most of them can be explained, I have only found 1 so far that I could not explain.
---evangelistjerry on 9/11/07


In every case I have been told that I hand them my Bible and say, "Show me which contradiction bothers you the most." For some strange reason they seem to have something pressing to do and don't quite seem to have the time to point it out.
---denna7667 on 9/11/07


Ancient Old Testament reproduction was far superior to early New Testament reproduction methods. In Old Testament text copying there were character counts that were verified on each page between the original and the copy.

Early NT Reproduction of Biblical manuscripts was bases on teach slaves to read and write one slave read out loud and the other wrote what he said or thought he said and no type of quality control existed and a many errors were introduced into individual copies of NT manuscripts.
---notlaw99 on 9/11/07


alexia - that was my point. It was a fable and people still give it credence.
Just like they believe evolution - and turn from God to the created instead of their Creator. Fables
BOM=Fable
koran=fable
etc
---Andrea on 9/8/07


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"Wikipedia has an excellent post on inconsistencies, both inerrent and errent."

Under what title?

"You said who's standards--theirs or ours? who are them and who are us?"

Bible believers or Bible critics?
---djconklin on 9/8/07


Andrea, wasnt the davinci code a book of fiction and a movie? I cannot understand why folks continue to argue about this as if it were a theological tome newly published.
---alexia on 9/8/07


conklin. Wikipedia has an excellent post on inconsistencies, both inerrent and errent. Lots of links to sites for both sides. You said who's standards--theirs or ours? who are them and who are us?
---alexia on 9/8/07


dj - you see we don't have to disagree on everything.

I think that for the few typo errors (transcribing errors) its an amazing feat. A book that takes hundreds of years to write and how many authors - different countries and cultures - just amazing the beauty and symmetry. It stands as a testament to its Author - don't ya think?
---Andrea on 9/7/07


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"However, when one claims a book to be the sole repository of God, well then any error causes an insurmountable problem. And there are errors, just plain omissions, doublets."

Explain what you mean by "errors, just plain ommissions (according to who's standrads? Their's or ours?), doublets(? What's wrong with a doublet?)."
---djconklin on 9/7/07


"WE should all take note - if these are the "last days" do not be surprised if the Devil doesn't come up with some 'legitimate artifacts' he can use all kinds of things and people to spread lies. Even the church could inadvertantly support this kind of heresy. Know what you believe.

Think about the da vinci farce and Jesus' bones....that is just a prelude.
we live by faith not by sight"

Excellant observation, Andrea.
---djconklin on 9/7/07


WE should all take note - if these are the "last days" do not be surprised if the Devil doesn't come up with some 'legitimate artifacts' he can use all kinds of things and people to spread lies. Even the church could inadvertantly support this kind of heresy. Know what you believe.

Think about the da vinci farce and Jesus' bones....that is just a prelude.
we live by faith not by sight
---Andrea on 9/7/07


conklin. I agree, the OT has proven to be quite accurate based on the DSS. However, when one claims a book to be the sole repository of God, well then any error causes an insurmountable problem. And there are errors, just plain omissions, doublets.
---alexia on 9/7/07


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"We have no original documents so we have no idea the exact writing of any book."

Actually, when we compare what we had with the DSS we can be quite sure that what we have is accurate. There are a small number of differences between the mss but in general we can be about 99.9999% sure.
---djconklin on 9/6/07


Well, Don't pat any attention to wicked men who spreads such garbage. I believe God. Satan is busy telling lies about the word of God. I am so glad I won't be seeing these people in Hell. How would I respond to these people directly? "You do not know the living God".
---catherine on 9/6/07


I have read several articles Wikipedia comes to mind that list dozens of contradictions. There are many documented cases of scribal mistranslations, skips, and copy overs. We have no original documents so we have no idea the exact writing of any book. Any google will show you the sites.
---alexia on 9/6/07


Mark. nice post. Once it is shown that there are mistakes, of course, there is no logical basis for concluding that the bible is perfectly correct in every way. We can only know of the mistakes found, we have no idea how many others have not yet been found. Ignoring some of the historical place mistakes of course
---alexia on 9/6/07


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You are correct mark v, God's WORD is absolute and is true. The translations can and do have errors that more often than not can be explained. However, "there are questions that will only be able to be answered when we get home," as one Christian scholar put it.
---evangelistjerry on 9/6/07


Part 2 There are many such so called contradictions in the Bible that can be explained if you search for them without having to give your own evaluation that ends up not being able to hold up. The point and reason I started this blog was because so many times, and I myself have done it, people try to throw their own reasoning into the mix instead of just admitting that they aren't sure of the explanation.
---evangelistjerry on 9/6/07


Part 3 When we do this though it turns unbelievers further away because they see it as we will do what ever we can to be RIGHT. Jesus said it himself the he and the Father alone knows it all so to speak, and even Jesus does not know when the Father will say its time to blast the trump. God bless and instead of throwing in our own explanation for the errors, either research it or admit the we don't know.
---evangelistjerry on 9/6/07


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