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Turn Him Over To Satan

In 1 Corinthians 5:5 Paul turns a man over to Satan for the "distruction of the flesh that the spirit may be SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus." Through the Spirit, do we have the power to give someone to Satan and how could the soul be saved in this way?

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Matthew from LA strikes a true mark. I reflected on Genesis where God seems to protect the tree of life from the now sinful Adam and Eve, but turn that around - could it be that God is protecting Adam & Eve from living forever in their human condition? If they touch that tree of life, they will live forever in their human-ness. That might be very hard to enjoy, forever and ever. There comes a time for those who have been saved, be it by their own regrets and the final come to faith, to be protected and given eternal joy "after".
---kip on 2/23/09


Jesus Commands, Judge righteous judgment. But the church was continually neglecting to judge the young man who was committing incest. lit. Gk: "to offer whom this indeed to Satan the devastation that flesh, in order that his spirit be salvaged upon that day of Lord Jesus." The judgment Paul was saying is, "Put out from among yourselves that wicked person." I Cor.5:13.
---Eloy on 9/18/07


I Corinthians 5:1,2,5,11-13: The church was not grieving over a heinous sinner in their midst, this passage refers to having no further fellowship nor eat with that unrepentant sinner who is having continued fornication with his father's wife, thereby that sinner may feel guilty and turn to the Lord for forgiveness.
---Eloy on 9/18/07


I Timothy 1:19,20: There are some people in the church that refuse to repent, thinking that it is alright to sin because God accepts them with their sin, and thereby they abuse God's grace and atonement. God is love, but God Requires repentance from sin in order to receive his love. Therefore, Paul gave them up to the destroyer in order that they might learn what true repentance from sin is and what true conversion into righteousness is.
---Eloy on 9/18/07


Jody I have a friend who told me her father was saved on HIs death bed. She truly believes God could of healed him, but she claims her father was a very weak(when it came to sin) man. She believes God took him early to prevent him from falling into sin and thus falling from the faith. Don't let the idea of God killing someone physically to save their soul, go. I just believe if and when this does happen, it happens before one begins falling and not after.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/18/07




No, we don't have that power. That power would be God's.
If created beings were making the determination who should be turned over to satan, judging, someone who rubs you the wrong way, other infractions that enter your head, that would be witchcraft. God is the Righteous Judge. Our opinions about who is unrighteous could be so far off. Stick to the Great Commission, the Good News.
---Bob on 9/18/07


Mathew of L.A.)thank you for sharing your wisdom to Gods EverLastIng Glory!! Praise God for You!! I had always read that verse thinking the person was going to be cast out into the world and end up catching a dreadful disease like aids or die from drug overdose or the like so that the soul could be saved. This scripture completely tainted my thinking of the way God handles willful sinners.Thought God allowed SOME willful sinners to die in sin in order to save their souls. Couldn't figure that out!
---jody_martin on 9/18/07


Mattthew,
My wife and I both thank you for the blessing. We have been
blessed already by you. It is a blessing to see young men as
yourself seeking the Lord and overcoming. Proberbs always
bring me memories of my grandmother Elisa who had this
little ceramic holder with pull-out cards, each one containing
a proberb. She had said to pulll one out at meal time but as
soon as I had a chance, I pulled them all out and read them.
---Nana on 9/15/07


Yes Nana, I,m sure you can gather I believe the same as you do. No not believe, know. Because that is the truth of that passage. Here is a great passage on this subject Nana.

Proverbs 27:5
Open rebuke is better than secret love.

God bless you and your wife.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/14/07


1)
I Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the
destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of
the Lord Jesus. 6: Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a
little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
---Nana on 9/14/07




2)
It means to leave them to their own devices until they come to
their senses and repent. Such a man as Paul speaks of, is just
a man like Peter whom the Lord told "Get thee behind...". Both
of them were restored in due time. Reference Matthew 18:15_18.
---Nana on 9/14/07


3)
2 Thessalonians 3:14: "And if any man obey not our word by
this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that
he may be ashamed. 15: Yet count him not as an enemy, but
admonish him as a brother."
---Nana on 9/14/07


My question is : what does THAT scripture mean? :) It is rather a point of confusion. Please read the scripture and respond. tks:)
---jody_martin on 9/13/07


2)
Notice "may be saved". We can't pamper someone in willfull sin. They must be rebuked for the sake of their own soul. Sometimes there reaches a point where we see someone in sin unto death that we have to remove ourselves form that person and break ties to show them the severity of their situation. For there own good we give them over to Satan and to the world so hopefully them may come to their senses.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/12/07


3)
1 John 5:16
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/12/07


1 corinthians 5:1-13 is talking about Church discipline due to fornication in the Church.The Church was failing to discipline, so Paul was saying, since this man is having so much fun in his sin, then remove him entirely from your fellowship. but the reason for this discipline is to help this person find his way back to God and to keep the sin from spreading throughout the Church as well as to maintain the standards of Christ to a watching world. So the answer to your question would be NO.
---Cynthia on 9/12/07


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Jody listen for here is the truth. Paul wanted that person out of the Church at Corinth to prevent the spread of corruption. His response was to give this person over to Satan so hopefully His flesh(sinful nature) may be destroyed. Paul used flesh to describe our sinful desires repeatably. In other words, there was hope that if this person was kicked out of the congregation then maybe he would repent of His wrongdoing(Destruction of the flesh) and come back to the faith in true repentance.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/12/07


You should only give people over to God.
---andre9879 on 9/12/07


I think the basic idea is that God protects us from Satan. If we mess up REALLY badly, he removes some of that protection to knock some sense back into us.

It's like parents of unruly children who threaten to run away from home. The parents can say "You want to leave? Fine. Go ahead. Come back when you get wisen up." which hopefully will happen very soon once they realize just how harsh the outside world can be.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/07


Even in the Spirit that is not our call to make. We are not the ones who judge the heart of man. Jesus will be the final judge. Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient,
Being saved? Mark 10:27b "With people it is impossible, but not with God, for all things are possible with God."
---denna7667 on 9/12/07


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