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What Is A Crucifix

What is meant by the bent Crucifix and why do Protestants object to a crucifix?

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 ---Andrea on 9/13/07
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Later they began to worship the snake and Moses destroyed it. It is sin to worship and or pray to a graven image!

2Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan
---Andrea on 9/17/07


Lorra::Sorry I did not read your post re the snake,mosesI know he used His staff to turn into a snake that devoured Pharos magicans vipers.But never heard worship mentioned.The incident in numbers was an antidote at the same time a prophecy of things to come, when our saviour would be the antidote for our poisionous sins instiled in us by desire & the wiles of Satan.
---Emcee on 9/17/07


I don`t know why people object to a crucifix,but I know it as a sign that Jesus died on the cross for me and the world and He shows us jst how great His love for us was by this.You don`t worship a crucifix,only Jesus.But I also am not ashamed to claim that Jesus is my God and my life is His.
---Rita on 9/17/07


Nek, as for 1 Timothy 2:5, Catholics believe and practice this. The problem comes from 1 Timothy 2:1-4, most Protestants forget that we are obliged to "intercede" for one another, this does not mean that we consider each other as mediators between us and God, we are only doing what brothers and sisters in Christ ought to do and what God finds pleasing.

Of course this also freaks out Protestants who figure that the dead in Christ somehow fall out of His Mystical Body for a while.
---lorra8574 on 9/17/07


Nek, P2: Making the snake was good, contemplating why God asked them to make it was good, hoping for healing was good, but then to turn around and thank the snake for what God had done - that was wrong.

We Catholics do not treat the crucifix any different than we do our other "statues": we do not worship the crucifix, we do not make sacrificial offerings to it - these would be wrong. But the crucifix does remind us of what Jesus did for us and inspires us to pray to the real Jesus.
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07




Nek P3: We also do not pray "to" statues, for us they are inanimate objects incapable of hearing us or doing anything for us. But they do represent real people who died in Christ and are part of our Christian family within the Body of Christ. However, unlike Jesus who is God and deserving of our worship (unlike His image), we do not worship these people, but do ask them to pray for us - not the statue but the actual person. We do this even when there is no statue around.
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07


Emcee, you need to read my original post to see where Andrea was coming from regarding the serpent. Nevertheless, the purpose for destroying any man-made object is to prevent it from being worshipped as a god, or to stop that practice from continuing. John was not likening Jesus to that serpent in any way other than to show that when we are in trouble, we are to look up at Him upon the cross and be saved. Of course, we know that there is so much more in the NT as well.
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07


nekraushaar, in the Catholic Church it is forbidden to worship statues of any kind. The problem in the OT, was that there was a tendency for people to make objects and then assume that these were their gods and to worship and make sacrifices to them. Even in the NT, this practice is described somewhat in 1 Cor 10 and 11 when Paul warns people not to eat food sacrificed to idols and then presume to eat at The Lord's Table (eat our own sacrifice made to God).
---lorra8574 on 9/16/07


Andre/a::Hi I just discovered it was your question but your answer to me was I am not against them, so then are you not Protestant?crucifixes are Itty Bitty crosses on the end of a rosary or sold separately. Where do you get this brazen image of a serpent as Christ??whoa girl! serpent is a snake as in Genesis, what are you saying have you lost it? make your point Clear. Keep out of the bubbly.I guess Almighty God would be more than angry besides others here.
---Emcee on 9/16/07


Lisa - this is not anti-cross

the Passion was a movie - it had some beautiful moments but it was not a true account and it was done by an anti-semite. I wouldn't claim him if I were you.
He built his own Catholic church but I don't believe it follows RCC. (strange man - that Mel)
---Andrea on 9/16/07




I am so shocked to see so much anti cross....or image of Jesus dying on the cross here!!!
Didn't anyone see the Passion of th Christ?
Probably can't stand the sight of that either huh?
Thank you Lord for your passion and dying for us on the cross. i am not ashamed of you.
And will show everyone my crucifix and what you did for me and the world!
---Lisa on 9/16/07


nekraushaar The second commandment that you quote is incomplete. If you read it all you will se that it is not a command to not make such things but not to worship and bow down to them. If only the first few words were the command then the whole world, including Christians, are breaking it all the time. Who does not own an ornament, a piece of jewellery or a photograph or painting of some living creature? We like to look at them but we do not worship them.
---RitaH on 9/16/07


lorra you made an exelent point, there are also many other God ordaned images in the Bible ie bronse sea had oxen, temple had angles in it as well. my strong feelings are really directed to the making statues of dead "saints" and bowing to them in prayer. ive just always lumped the crucifix in there too. i guess if you keep within 1 tim 2:5 i wouldnt have a problem with it.
---nekraushaar on 9/16/07


Lorra - the brazen snake was a type of Christ yet when the people prayed to it - God got angry....

2Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


Nek, you have to read the whole of scripture, not just bits. There is a reason that God made the prohibition against making idols - and this is explained throughout the Bible. And we can see that there is a huge distinction because otherwise there is a contradiction - God also had His people made a snake on a pole to look at when they wanted to be saved from a snake bite - John 3:14, Numbers 21:8-9, and then the ornate decorations on the Ark of the Covenant Exodus 25:17-20.
---lorra8574 on 9/15/07


Bri, what do you mean by Babylonian roots for the Catholic Church? What do Catholics do that even remotely connects to the Babylonian culture?
---lorra8574 on 9/15/07


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It is a cross with a small figure of Jesus on it. Protestants object to it because Jesus should not be thought of as on the cross but rather as alive. He is not on the cross anymore but sits at the rt hand of God the Father. He is quite alive and advocates for us.
---litla on 9/15/07


Do you own a Bible?well is it not a transcript of His written word!!If so The Cross is an emblem of your salvation & or whether you believe in it. Most Christian clerics as do priests nuns are not ashamed to display their allegiance just as a ring on the 3rd finger of your left hand signifies you are Married .Bent Crucifix never heard of it may be for those bent out of shape & need a new Crucifix!!or a new life away from that of sin.
---Emcee on 9/15/07


well im not protestant, im pentecost and i object to the crucifix (someone on the cross) solely on the basis of the 2nd commandment found in Ex. 20:4 You shall not make for yourself a carved imageany likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." obedience is better than sacrifice and while remembering the sacrifice of Christ is important so is the greater majority of the Bible where images of any kind are detested by God.
---nekraushaar on 9/15/07


The bent crucifix is a nonChristian symbol that certain romans use to boast their triumph in killing the King of kings. It is similar to another symbol they commonly portray showing the capital "P" letter signifying the Prince of Peace which they superimpose or cross-out with an ex.
---Eloy on 9/15/07


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the Twisted Crucifix, which this Pope has been using at every stop on this trip to the Middle East. [Read NEWS1359 for full details and a picture of this Twisted Cross Crucifix]. Satanists created the Twisted Cross in 666 A.D. to caricature the Roman Catholic traditional Crucifix,
---dharma on 9/14/07


I love the cross, it tells me what Christ did so I could have eternal life an talk to the Father. Its the most symbolic. It is where the blood ran for the punishment, that was ours. We know He rose. The cross holds "sacrifice" up to the world. Empty or not, Our salvation. The symbols in the catholic religion, were passed down from bablylonian cults...the roots of the catholic church. Carnally turned christian..to compete with the christian church of that time,so as not to lose converts.
---bri on 9/14/07


emcee - the question was not about crosses. it's about crucifixes and no I'm not against them
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


the ACLU is anti-christ and against all symbols reflecting Christ in our society.
Why should a True Christian be against Christian symbols? That is nuts!
I will put up cross everywhere!
I am not ashamed!
Now, go and do the right thing!
God bless you.
---Lisa on 9/14/07


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Andrea:: The sign of the Cross is he sign of the Christian. In the early church people were persecuted for revealing theitr christian identity. Hence to identify each other, they would use their staff to make the sign of the cross on ground, without speaking.then leave together to worship.Today people openly do so on their Rosaries & even clerics in their waist bands.Its just an emblem.
---Emcee on 9/14/07


I agree Alan - I disagre about a lot of RCC doctrine to the point that I question many of them even know Christ, but this is true in protestant churches too.

I wonder about so many people who say I'm christian - like if you sit in a garage it makes you a car.
But it is touchy to question people - bc its not polite, even if it saves their soul.

No I do not think the popes are satanists.

did you find where the cross came from?
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


leslie> You are absolutely wrong.
The crucifix is for us to remember what Jesus has done for us. A symbol of the greatest love one can have for another. What he did, was the most important thing in the History of mankind!

This of course does not mean that Jesus is still on the cross or that we want him stuck on it at all.
We also have the symbol of the empty cross and the Divine Mercy! All represent the death-resurrection-2nd coming. Not having one? fine.. but... you shouldn't bash it!
---Lisa on 9/14/07


Andrea ... Yes ...However much you or I disagree with Roman Catholic doctrine, can we really beleive that the Pope would carry a satanic symbol?
Yet those anti-Catholic sites insist that he does.
How sick they are!
---alan_of_UK on 9/14/07


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I see all the sites that say it is Satanic - but I am sure the pope is not carrying a satanic symbol around. just bc the satanists call it satanic - where is its origin - why does the pope (if he does) carry it?
Does it have another meaning to Christians?

Honestly no matter what you think doctrinally - the pope just wouldn't do that - satanists would know - I'm sure it would be public - so its silly to think its really satanic!
---Andrea on 9/13/07


I would like for some jeweler to invent a new 3 tier necklace of the death, burial, and resurection of Christ.
---Whisper on 9/13/07


A crucifix is a cross with Christ still on it. This implies that Christ is still dead. Christ is very much alive.
---Leslie on 9/13/07


If you google "bent crucifix" you will find an anti-RC site which says the last Pope used one, and that it was the invention of Satanists.
---alan_of_UK on 9/13/07


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why are some of you so narrow minded?
The crucifix is for us to remember what Jesus has done for us. A symbol of the greatest love one can have for another. What he did, was the most important thing in the History of mankind!

This of course does not mean that Jesus is still on the cross or that we want him stuck on it at all.
We also have the symbol of the empty cross and the Divine Mercy! All represent the death-resurrection-2nd coming. Not having one? fine.. but... you shouldn't bash it!
---Lisa on 9/13/07


I heard about a bent cross - someone said that it was a symbol of the anti-christ. I didn't know if that was the same cross I had seen. I thought the AC was upside down or something. I have a crucfix in my home and it was a gift - so i want to keep it.
I saw where they say it is abhorrant to protestants. So that is why I asked.
My guess is it was just abhorrant to that protestant.
Jesus is not on the cross, but we need to remember that He was on that cross.
---Andrea on 9/13/07


I'm not saying I object to it. I know what it represents, but by the same token Jesus is no longer on the cross. He came down from there so I would no longer have to live in the bondage of sin.
---denna7667 on 9/13/07



Passage Galatians 6:14:
"May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."
---Ruben on 9/13/07


I'm sorry but I made the mistake of answering the moderator's heading instead of the actual question and I missed the word 'bent'. I have no idea what this means, have never heard the phrase before and look forward to learning something from those who do know the answer.
---RitaH on 9/13/07


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I'm not saying I object to it. I know what it represents, but by the same token Jesus is no longer on the cross. He came down from there so I would no longer have to live in the bondage of sin.
---denna7667 on 9/13/07


I don't know what you mean by a bent crucifix, and not all Protestants object to crucifixes. They are not uncommon in Lutheran Churches. After all, who do you think invented Protestantism?
---Jack on 9/13/07


A crucifix is a cross showing Jesus still there. This is preferred by Catholics and perhaps some others whilst protestants of most denominations prefer the empty cross because this symbolises that Jesus is no longer there. It can be argued, of course, that no-one was left hanging on a cross, they were removed for burial.
---RitaH on 9/13/07


2. Many Christians these days prefer not to wear or display a cross at all and if they want Christian jewellery etc. we can now buy the ixthus fish symbol, a tiny empty tomb and symbols of the bread and wine. At the end of the day it is personal choice and the most important thing is the reason why a person wishes to have these symbols. We should not be flippant about any of them.
---RitaH on 9/13/07


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Oh dear here we go again.
Let's BTC
---alan_of_UK on 9/13/07


A crucifix symbolizes only a suffering Christ. Protestants use a cross with no body on it symbolizing both the suffering of Christ for Man's sins and Christ's victory over death through resurrection.
---notlaw99 on 9/13/07


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