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Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?

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-- Ruben :

Unlike Adam, the Podical Son didn't disobey .. he was call "Dead" .. he had to repent to enter back -- Ruben

Brother, Just like after Adam inherited the earth & then ate of the forbidden tree : the Prodigal Son not many day after gathering his inheritance, disobey & fell dead in sin. Luke 15:13

Adam/mankind after the 'Fall' was Lost & called Dead in sin : and to be Found & declared Alive again, to enter our Father's Kingdom, we must Repent & confess our sins as the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:21-24.

Ruben, The Prodigal Son didn't have Salvation before leaving b/c Salvation comes to the Lost, and that which is found & given unto Christ shall not be lost again. John 6:39 !!
---ShawnM.T. on 3/23/10


Ruben,
Excellent analysis and proposition!
Similarly, "lost sheep" belong to a flock.
---Nana on 3/22/10


Yes Nana, the parable of the lost sheep and the lost coin are great examples of one losing their salvation. In both instances Jesus says "I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.(LK 15:7-10)
---Ruben on 3/23/10


Ruben, You ask the same questions about the same prodigal son and you get the truth every time you ask. But you can never say you were not told the truth.
---MarkV. on 3/22/10

Truth, tell me Mark why is our interpretation of scripture correct? You can say that you disagree with my interpretation of scripture, but have no right to say I have no truth. On what authority do you have to declare this interpretation of the Parable of the Prodigal Son to be wrong? Are you saying you are infallible in your interpretation of Scripture?
---Ruben on 3/23/10


Ruben, Think of the 'Prodigal Son' as Adam, chose to go his own way, away from living among his Father in the Garden of Eden ... and was only able to came back to his Father's Kingdom, through the revaluation of Christ !!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/22/10


Unlike Adam, the Podical Son did not disobey God and only wanted his inheritance and unlike Adam he was call "Dead" from the Father and finally unlike Adam he had to repent to be able to enter back to his kingdom. Do you think the Podigal Son was still safe even when the Father call him "dead"? If God the Faher tell you Shawn you are dead, what would that mean? Would being cut off from the household of God be no big deal to you?
---Ruben on 3/23/10


It is Christ's blood that saves me, not anything that I can do. Grace is a "free" gift to me that cost Christ EVERYTHING (some refer to GRACE as God's Riches At Christ's Expense). Search for instances of works in the Bible and more of the ones I've seen refer to "Thy/His mighty/wonderous works" or "our wicked works"... Galatians 2:16, 2 Timothy 1:9. We are saved by Grace alone, but good works were created for the saved to carry out that others may glorify Him in heaven (Matthew 5:16, Ephesians 2:10).

Saved BY Grace through the fully atoning blood of Jesus Christ to CARRY OUT good works He created. The works are the fruit of the Grace that saves us.
---simon7348 on 3/23/10




Even a "wild olive shoot", "wild olive tree", it is still of the olive family. Men become "thorns and thistles", "goats", by service and allegiance not birth.
-nana
Amen!
Romans 6 calls us who yield our members to God "servants of righteousness"

Verse 16 says this-
"Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?"

This says we are servants to which ever we yield our members to.
Either God or the "enemy"(I won't call his name so not to even give him credit)
---miche3754 on 3/23/10


Ruben,
Excellent analysis and proposition!
Similarly, "lost sheep" belong to a flock.
Psalm 119:176: "I have gone astray like a lost sheep, seek your servant, for I do not forget your commandments."
Some are led astray, Jeremiah 50:6: "My people have been lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray, turning them away on the mountains. From mountain to hill they have gone. They have forgotten their fold."
Even a "wild olive shoot", "wild olive tree", it is still of the olive family. Men become "thorns and thistles", "goats", by service and allegiance not birth.
Pray we for our enemies that satan may prosper or so that they prosper in God, (Luke 15:10)?
---Nana on 3/22/10


-- Ruben :

you can live with the Father as the Prodigal Son was but still be dead in Christ --Ruben

Brother, I think you meant Dead in sin .. and all but Adam & Eve started out 'Dead in sin', until Christ died for all : enabling us to be raised-up into our Father's Kingdom.

Ruben, Think of the 'Prodigal Son' as Adam, who started out connected with Our Heavenly Father as a 'Living Soul' and given his inheritance of the earth, but (through his choice which led to the 'Fall of Man') chose to go his own way, away from living among his Father in the Garden of Eden ... and was only able to came back to his Father's Kingdom, through the revaluation of Christ !!!!

Hope this helps your Understanding.
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/22/10


Ruben, you have heard the answers many times already. You ask the same questions about the same prodigal son and you get the truth every time you ask. How many times have you ask the same thing?
You have a different view from the RCC and that is fine. But you can never say you were not told the truth. Ruben, I heard the truth and I was out of there in a minute. So have many others. But the one's who stay make a decision to stay no matter how much truth is given. Your decision in staying is not base on your free will, you are there because you cannot get out. You are a slave and don't realize it.
---MarkV. on 3/22/10


Amen Sister, If one died for all, then were all dead(2Cor.5:14-15), as the 'Prodigal Son' was until he came to Live for his Father and not for himself !!!


--- Ruben :

Brother, MarkV is correct in what he shared, b/c Adam was made a 'Living Soul', and after the 'Fall of Man' all men were Dead in sin until Christ died for all.


Grace Unto You All & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 3/19/10


Shawn,Mark V,Kathr

You can not ask for our inheritance which the podigal son did, unless he was already "born again", "alive in Christ". Correct me if I am wrong, you can live with the Father as the Podigal Son was but still be dead in Christ..interesting!
---Ruben on 3/22/10




Nana, in Heb. 2:1,2, not everyone of the Hebrews was committed to Christ. The passage you gave is for all who were listening, and it had to do with driving home the importance of the superiority of the Son of God over angels, the writer urges the readers to respond. "We" includes all those who are Hebrews. Some had given intellectual assent to the doctrine themselves to Him as God and Lord. But some had not. He "the Son" deserves their worship as much as He deserves the worship of angels since the whole topic from chapter 1 is about the angels in the context. Angels were instrumental in bringing God's law to His people at Mt. Sinai (Detu. 33:1,2, Ps 68:17, Acts 7:38, Gal.3:19).
---MarkV. on 3/21/10


To the BOC:
Hebrews 2:1_4: "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward, How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him,God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

Unless the writer is not part of that body and that excercise is only for those new coming in. Therefore Hebrews 6:4-6 is also to all, BOC... included.
---Nana on 3/20/10


The Body of Christ,
Eph. 1:13 In whom you also TRUSTED, after that you heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER YOU BELIEVED, YOU WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise.
---michael_e on 3/19/10

AMEN michael_e, This is salvation, First: hearing the Gospel that Jesus died on a crosss for the forgivness of sin. Second: trusting/believing in God's promise that those who place their trust in Him will be saved, and THIRD: the Promise of the Holy Spirit, the SEAL of that promise to those who believe. PROMISE is a key word here. The Holy Spirit of PROMISE, the one promised under the New Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/10


Labeling men as "not born again", "not saved", not posessing "genuine faith" and the like, does not seem to be where a christian should spend his efforts. In Matthew 23:37 sorrow is shown for those who "would" not. Paul shows his ongoing concern in Hebrews 6:11_12: "And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises."
These verses in question (Heb 6:4-6), are part of "let us go on unto perfection". Regeneration is not mentioned and note that faith alone does not inherit the promises.
---Nana on 3/19/10


If you are "truly saved" accepted the finished work of the cross, you are in the body of christ, to lose your salvation would mean part of the body of Christ is lost.
Heb 6:4-6 is not part of the BOC

The Body of Christ,
Eph. 1:13 In whom you also TRUSTED, after that you heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also AFTER YOU BELIEVED, YOU WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise.
---michael_e on 3/19/10


hebrews 6:4-6:

"once enlightened" (verse 4) refers to some level of instruction in biblical truth. However, understanding the words of scripture is not the same as being regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

John 1:9 describes Jesus, the "true Light," giving light "to every man", but this can't mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. Through Gods sovereign power, every man has enough light to be held responsible. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light.

The people described in Hebrews 6:4-6 have been exposed to Gods redemptive truth but have not exercised genuine saving faith.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


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-- Kathr :

You cannot be "Dead" and alive again unless he were saved in the first place! --Ruben on 3/18/10

Ruben, in Adam all died.In Christ will all ( that is those BORN AGAIN will be made ALIVE. --kathr4453 on 3/19/10




Amen Sister, If one died for all, then were all dead(2Cor.5:14-15), as the 'Prodigal Son' was until he came to Live for his Father and not for himself !!!


--- Ruben :

Brother, MarkV is correct in what he shared, b/c Adam was made a 'Living Soul', and after the 'Fall of Man' all men were Dead in sin until Christ died for all.


Grace Unto You All & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 3/19/10


"for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again, and was lost, and is found"(LK 15:32) You cannot be "Dead" and alive again unless he were saved in the first place!
---Ruben on 3/18/10

Ruben, in Adam all died.In Christ will all ( that is those BORN AGAIN will be made ALIVE.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

It's important to know that this was written to and about the Hebrews, who were not pagans. They knew and worshiped God before they heard the Gospel. So IF they turned back to the old covenant and animal sacrifices, they weren't just "backsliding", they were effectively calling Christ a liar. --Donna66 on 3/17/10


Amen ~ Sister ~ Amen, Thanks for sharing those Outstandingly Well Spoken Spiritually Discerned words !!!


Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/18/10


"It's important to know that this was written to and about' those whom Paul considered as , "beloved", "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work", as well as those who had been taught and should have been "teachers", yet were back at the baby bottle.
Through it all, as a good man of God, humble in understanding his human nature as that of his audience, he included himself in all the admonitions:
Hebrews 2:1: "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip."
Even,
"be not slothful", "Harden not your hearts","exhort one another daily, while it is called To day"...
---Nana on 3/18/10


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No one can be born of the Spirit and then go back to death. No Scriptural evidence for that.
---MarkV. on 3/18/10

The Bible disagree with you, the podigal son is evidence enough:

"for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again, and was lost, and is found"(LK 15:32) You cannot be "Dead" and alive again unless he were saved in the first place!
---Ruben on 3/18/10


Donna66, to add to your answer, many of those Hebrews were not born again. No where in the context does it state they were saved. Been enlightened, tasting of the heavenly gift, and even partakers of the Holy Spirit did not mean they were saved, they could have witnessed Jesus miraculous ministry empowerd by the Holy Spirit, that is why he says "For it is impossible" because if they fall away, they give evidence they were not of us to begin with. Matthew puts it this way, "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand." Matt. 13:13.
No one can be born of the Spirit and then go back to death. No Scriptural evidence for that.
---MarkV. on 3/18/10


Hebr.6 v's 4 - 6 even 2nd.Peter 2 v's 21 - 22 pertains to The only Church God has which Is according to Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. You Can loose out & away from God. It's your choice.
The above doesn't pertain to the Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rrc that came from here, Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 3/17/10


Hbr 6:4-6 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

It's important to know that this was written to and about the Hebrews, who were not pagans. They knew and worshipped God before they heard the Gospel. So IF they turned back to the old covenant and animal sacrifices, they weren't just "backsliding", they were effectively calling Christ a liar.
---Donna66 on 3/17/10


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Somewhere the scriptures say, "It is God who worketh in you both to will and do His good pleasure."

---Rod4Him on 3/15/10
Rod4Him, yes, but God also says we are to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.

God works in you...and you work out what He works in you. He's given you both to will and the ability to do through faith HIS WILL.

If He is working His death in you...submit to that and work through it KNOWING this too is God's will.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/10


Somewhere the scriptures say, "It is God who worketh in you both to will and do His good pleasure."
---Rod4Him on 3/15/10


Nana:

I will admit that I baited you, on purpose, because you hang around in the shadows and do not want to offer your opinion of eternal security, yet you offer opinions from a position that denys it.

I can offer you way more than cherry-picked verses on this. How about verses all in the OT?

Ps 121:7 "The LORD will protect you from all evil, He will keep your soul."

Num 6:24-25 "The LORD bless you, and keep you, The LORD make His face shine on you and be gracious to you,

Ps 145:19-20 "He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him, He will also hear their cry and will save them. The LORD keeps all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/15/10


Job 28:28: "And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding."
Yet, those who begin to see and understand, departing from evil, are made prey, accused of works- Isaiah 59:15, Proverbs 14:16.
God teaches all men but not all learn, and the irreverent pour like rain on the unsuspecting and clog the ears of the inexperienced.
---Nana on 3/15/10


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Rod4him, I believe the role you played was a role of receiver. And when you received, your recognize you did. That it didn't come from you but from God. The very love we have for the Lord, comes by the Holy Spirit. Without it we have no love for Him. Scripture tells us,
"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us" Romans 5:5.

God has implanted within our hearts evidence that we belong to Him in that we love the One who first loved us (1 Cor. 16:22, Gal. 5:22, Eph. 3:14-19, 1 John 4:7-10).
---MarkV. on 3/15/10


I hesitate to write because I don't want to take away from MarkV and MarkE's last statements concerning salvation and sanctification.

Their statements are very concise, accurate, and extremely well said.

I thank my God through the Lord Jesus Christ that salvation is not up to me. I am confident that He who has started a good work will finish it.

Although, as I write this, I have to ponder what role I played as He called. I could not have responded without Him calling.
---Rod4Him on 3/15/10


This statement by MarkV " we are kept righteous, holy, and faithful not by our works, but by God Himself. We do not keep ourselves, it is He who keeps us." Is exactly my understanding.
Any crack in the armor of this statement lets in the floodwaters of WORKS and is a hindrance to one's salvation.
---mima on 3/15/10


Mark E, you are correct in your statement when you said,
"alan8566_of_uk:

What I am trying to get across to Nana is we are kept righteous, holy, and faithful not by our works, but by God Himself. We do not keep ourselves, it is He who keeps us."


The verses Nana gave in Hebrews 10:6 do not in anyway bring to question what you stated. In fact The "we are confident of better things" that accomplany salvation are their works which verify their salvation (v. 10, Eph. 2:10, James 2:18, 26).
---MarkV. on 3/15/10


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"So where is this quote from, the first book of Nana?"
Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10

As we were discussing Hebrews, I entered the blog with "Verses 9_10 give assurance to a specific group,..."

Hebrews 6:10: "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister."

I see how other than your cherry picked verses offend you. How are you going to get anything "across to Nana", when you do not read 'hear' what he writes, how is it that you can repply?
---Nana on 3/12/10


alan8566_of_uk:

What I am trying to get across to Nana is we are kept righteous, holy, and faithful not by our works, but by God Himself. We do not keep ourselves, it is He who keeps us.

Think of it like this. You are a child and your father wants you to learn to cross the street. You learn to look for cars and finally learn to cross the street safely. When you do you exclaim, 'Look what I did'. However, all the time your father was down the street blocking off traffic making sure you were safe.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10


"God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do."
---Nana on 3/10/

So where is this quote from, the first book of Nana?

Overlook, why He planned your works before the foundation of the world.

Eph 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them"

Part of the reason that you are not kept saved by your works is because they were created by God and are His works. All we do is be obedient to them.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/10


Mark E, I believe with all of my heart that Nana was secret coding me and my answer. It's happened before many times so it was not a surprise he said what he did, since he is coming from the teachings of the RCC's works for salvation. I am with your teachings concerning this subject. Works don't save anyone. The grace of God does. It is all of God no matter how much glory man wants to take by his own works.
Elder put it best in 07,
" They claim they are kept Saved by their good works and acts.
I am kept by the power of God. It is God who keeps and corrects me.
---Elder on 9/14/07"
---MarkV. on 3/10/10


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Mark Eaton & Nana

Surely the truth lies somewhere between the two of you?

You don't get saved just by living a godly life. A godly life is a bit empty if it is not supported by faith ... it becomes just "doing good" fore the sake of reward.

On the other hand, if you don't live a godly life, or aattempt to do so, it indicates that you don' thave the core faith. As James said, Faith without works is dead. How can you have faith, and yet not feel the need to live a godly life?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/10/10


Nothing funny at all!
My first thougth was, 'Look how discurteous this ME, that he does not engage directly, nor address me by name.' The blog that got you started was posted 3/4/2010 and you were the next to make an entry on 3/8/2010. Obviously you were 'speaking in code' and to me first.

"And some people's theology is about keeping themselves in God's good graces by their WORKS."

You need to take classes in reading comprehension, for this is obvious:
"God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do."
---Nana on 3/10/10


Nana:

Speaking in code, are we?

I know that YOU think you keep yourself saved by your obedience and that any disobedience can result in you losing your salvation. This has been your position since I started blogging on here.

Funny, when I posted these Scriptures you responded. You could not resist the urge to challenge the idea that GOD would keep you saved and not your own actions.

Look at what you posted. Nothing about God's power and everything about your abilities and actions.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10


Because people post verses which even oppose what they intend, don't know how to read, hey?
I'll post them again, for someone is getting the message:

'Psalm 37:23-24:
Whose steps? "The steps of a good man".
2 Peter 2:9:
Who is rescued? "the godly".'

So then, there are good men and there are godly men (women too), but some just talk out of both sides of their mouths.

But excuse me mr. chosen for stepping on yer toes.
---Nana on 3/9/10


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Some people's theology is just about the promises, nothing about commitment on their part.
---Nana on 3/8/10

And some people's theology is about keeping themselves in God's good graces by their WORKS.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. God keeps us because He wants to, not because of anything we can or cannot do.

In a nutshell, many are called, few are chosen, and the chosen are kept by God.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/10


The book of Hebrews has some confusing verses in it for the church age Christian that has not learned how to "rightly divide the word of truth" (II Tim 2:15) The book is not addressed to the church like the Pauline epistles. It is classified as a Jewish-Christian epistle. It is addressed to "Hebrews" in the "last days" (Heb 1:2) There are many verses in this book that can be applied to us but some of those verses will apply doctrinally to Hebrews in the tribulation. Passages like Heb 6:4-6 and 12:26-28 will apply to somone who has taken the mark of the beast in the tribulation! There is no repentance or sacrifice available for them (Rev 14:10-12) Notice also Heb 3:6 & 14 aimed at Christ's own house.
---James on 3/9/10


Psalm 37:23-24:
Whose steps? "The steps of a good man".
2 Peter 2:9:
Who is rescued? "the godly".

Some people's theology is just about the promises, nothing about commitment on their part. Is no one willing to answer the call as issued and at least put their two cents?
What is the first thing? Is it not about us to the core?
"And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."
---Nana on 3/8/10


It is possibile for one to be enlightened, have the H.S. open their understnding.Even have an emotional experience. They may do whatever churches and denominations require of them, but they never took it hook, line and sinker. Weve got plenty of examples in Scripture.
A good exampleis Israel at Kadesh-barnea. They had come from Mt. Sinai, and have the Tabernacle, the Law and the priesthood. Everything's ready and God has promised the "land of milk and honey" Just go in and occupy.The fields and vineyards are producing, the pastures are productive, and the water is flowing. God said, Its all there for you, I'll push the Canaanites out. Ive used them for the last 400 years to get it ready.
What happened? Same as Heb 6
---michael_e on 3/8/10


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That passage is the only one where we hear of the comments in a way where we are sure that the people have acutally been Christians before. But you could say that IF it is 'possible to restore to repentance' (NRSV) then we coud say that either (a) in fact, before the people had never truly repented or (b) their apparent apostasy was not really apostasy (true falling away). There is also the case of Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5, the couple who sold the land and then hid some of the money) - we are not directly told of their end, though Peter's comment about Satan MAY suggest that they were Christians and then rejected God. But I am not sure
---peter3594 on 3/8/10


How does your theology line up with these Scriptures?

Psalm 37:23-24 "The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD,and He delights in his way. Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down, For the LORD upholds him with His hand"

2 Peter 2:9 "then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment"

Jude 1:1 "Jude, a bond-servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ"

Who is doing the holding, the rescuing, the keeping?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/10


Those who "have fallen away", Paul compares to the ground which even after receiving care to yield a crop, only yield "thorns and thistles", end result that "it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned." He speaks of maturity and yield.
Verses 9_10 give assurance to a specific group, "Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better thingsthings that belong to salvation. For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do."

There is such a thing as apostasy, whose "end is to be burned". God looks, not overlooks.
---Nana on 3/4/10


Who is he that overcomes the world?
"For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God" (1 John 5:4,5).
Those born of God overcome the world, because of their faith, believing that Jesus is the Son of God.
---MarkV. on 3/4/10


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mima on 3/4/10

"Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh,(gets saved) the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Tells me that he that overcometh will not be blotted out of the book of life.
---

point is SOME NAMES will be blotted out.
ANd in order to be blotted out, you must first had to be written in
---francis on 3/4/10


---francis
"Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh,(gets saved) the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." Tells me that he that overcometh will not be blotted out of the book of life.
---mima on 3/4/10


Exodus 32:33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Names can get blotted out of the book of life.
What does that tell you?
That those names in the book of Life, those we call saved, can be blotted out if they continue in unrepented sin.
---francis on 3/4/10


Ezekiel 36:25-26 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
---rosalie on 12/19/09

Good one Rosalie. Witnessed further by Heb 8:8-10,Jer 31:31-33.
Jeremiah 24:7
Hosea 2...and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people, and they shall say, Thou art my God.
Also found in Romans 9:25.
---Trav on 2/22/10


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more excellent way, Salvation is not free, but salvation costs everything. period.
---Eloy on 2/21/10


Salvation was a FREE gift (nothing expected in return, as though it were possible).

The gift of salvation was given GRACIOUSLY, not IMPERIALISTICALLY, nothing is expected in return (as though it were possible).

A Christian might WANT TO show appreciation for the FREE gift that was given GRACIOUSLY, but that is not a REQUIREMENT/obligation (rest in The Lord and be bored..FULL trust).

Let JESUS (not "Jesus and the bible or deeds") be your ONLY foundation.

There are "better things that BELONG TO" salvation such as the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10).

Spiritual growth (maturity) requires knowing the "doctrine of Christ".

Verse from RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 2/19/10


The chapter is talking about.....
....JESUS BEING OUR ONLY (only) FOUNDATION for eternal life.

If we establish any other "foundation" (such as a foundation of self-works/deeds, self-effort), then we will no longer benefit from having a JESUS ONLY foundation and it will be IMPOSSIBLE to escape the penalties of "sin".

JESUS did all the "works" (the works of God) and our only obligation is to let those works be manifest in our lives so we trust COMPLETELY that we can rest/relax in Him as our sabbath rest.

So, yes it does mean that we can throw away our salvation by rejecting Him as our ONLY foundation.

It's impossible to repay God for salvation, don't offend God by thinking it is.
---more_excellent_way on 2/19/10


Eloy, this is in relation to what your are using. "NO power" is far different from "impossible" word. This is why I am using only king James Bible...because other trastlations believe they are tampered already. They are competing King James for commercial purposes. Rewording is considered adding and subtracting. The meaning changed.
---rosalie on 2/16/10


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This means God stop using Israel spreading Gospel through out. ---rosalie on 2/16/10


Don't throw all Israel away...they represent more nations than just Judah.
Rosalie, if you look a little deeper in scripture it is the Northern Divorced house of Israel....the Lost Sheep Christ came for...that are the seed and fruit of Gospel.

Fulfilling Christ own mission and all the prophecy's. A light to the world. Through them all Nations would be blessed.
You believe in GOD,is obvious, GOD does not state these marks and fall short of completion.
Now, it is also noted they will be called by a new name. I believe they are. Christians. Annointed ones.
---Trav on 2/16/10


No, thought the versus taken out of context can be fraudulently made to judge and discourage.
There is always a BUT...or better said God's tidal wave of grace is sufficint.

Heb 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this way.
Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
---larry on 12/24/09


First, Christ had a earthly ministry and a heavenly ministry.
Second the whole bible is for our learning but, it is not all about us.
Third is their any text in Hebrews about the body of Christ?

Heb.6:1 Therefore LEAVING the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Rom 15:8. Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
---michael_e on 12/20/09


Yup..gotta agree with you,there has to be an assurance of salvation! Part of being a true Christian is knowledge of Gods HOLINESS and our conscience's made alive bring us back to an awe inspired relationship as we see that all our waywardness cant overide His love and mercy.The warnings in scripture "instruct" us in the right path but to reject God in our "heart of hearts"?..well it might just be possible,but I am still at the once saved always saved viewpoint,only a fool would want to reject God,eg:Psalm 14.
---richard on 12/20/09


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Correct translation, "no power" rather than "impossible": lit.Gk: "No power for them once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift...and fell away, to further renew in correction: for themselves over-crucify the Son of God, and deride publicly." Hebrews 6:4,6. The Jews did the same kind of sin in the old testament: God gave them remedy for sin, which was to sacrifice an animal, so the people abused this provision and they lived all their days in sin with the knowledge, "all I have to do is kill an animal and God will forgive me". They would line up and kill hundreds of animals in sacrifices all day long, rather than be good so that no animal needed to be sacrificed. Please Read- Isaiah 1:11-17
---Eloy on 12/20/09


Salvation is permanent. Every time I post this blog I always explain SALVATION IS THROUGH ELECTION OF GRACE.

David is an example of Elect who commit serious crime. 2 Samuel 11:3 He was punish so great for his sin consequences. His daughter raped, son Absalom rebelled and died, his wife raped publicly, he chased and run for his life. Did David lost his salvation? No So many people commit sin in the bible, but yet their salvation is intact. Abraham, Moses, Gedion, Samson, they are not perfect...but they are chosen
---rosalie on 12/19/09


cont....
this is why in Hebrews it say "For it is impossible" No matter what crime they commit like Paul, Elect will always come home and repent bec. it is God who gave a repentant heart for them. It is God who make a way for them to return to God
Ezekiel 36:25-26 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
---rosalie on 12/19/09


One of the themes of Hebrews,is the process of being perfected,which happens after a believers death or rapture whichever occurs first..untill such time we are all fallible and prone to sin.Another verse says Jesus will never leave us or forsake us.There is always hope for the worst backslider if they want to come home.What cannot happen is second "renewal" of the spirit so the problem is a matter of the persons will,which could overide GRACE..(the only incidence that can!).
---richard on 12/19/09


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Hebrews6,4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.Verses 4-5 are a very strong statement of salvation It doesn't tell us what falling away is but it does line up with 2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.2Pe 2:21
---Rodney on 12/14/09


No. This scripture is speaking to those who reject Christ and place their confidence in other means for salvation. Read it in context with the rest of Hebrews. Hebrews was addressed mainly to the Jews. Notice it speak of the superiority of Christ compared to the old sacrificial system.
---Chris on 9/25/07


For centuries Hebrew 6 has been a battleground, so study carefully. Some purpose that these verses refer to the saved who have fallen from salvation. Some believe that these are professing Christians though unsaved. Another view it as a warning to true Christians as to what would happen if they fall away. Which is my view.
---catherine on 9/24/07


I believe that is exactly what those verses are saying. Yes God is merciful, but it's the heart that He looks at. Once the heart has turned away, I don't think it is possible to turn it back according to these verses. If it were, these verses would not be there.
---betty8468 on 9/19/07


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No, you can coralate these veres with 5 out of the ten virgins and 1Jn.2:19 also the parable of the seeds etc... They new the gospel (the true gospel) they were enlightened by those who were born again (Holy Spirit) yet the gospel came to them in word only. They had not been born again, born from above, "By the power of the Holy spirit ie. God"

In short there was no salvation. God choose not to save them
Rm9:20,21
Isa 29:16
---steven-rem7000 on 9/15/07


Hi Whisper, thank you sooooooooo much for reminding me of that Scripture about God's mercies being new every morning! :) I really needed that tonight, bless you. :)
---Mary on 9/15/07


I have faith to beleive that Gods mercys are new every morning. I must beleive that after our salvation when we have sinned even afterwards and then were deeply repentant to Him he will accept us but we will have lost all the rewards we may have gained before we backslid into sin, Since I am married to someone who has been married before makes me guilty of adultery, so I am an adulterer, but I deeply repent. This is my personal feeling.
---Whisper on 9/14/07


So would it be fair to say that these professed christians were about to fall away into apostasy? Does it mean that maybe they were never born again christians to start with?
---Cynthia on 9/14/07


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The Hebrews were under a great deal of pressure from mainstream Jews of the circumcism when Paul wrote to them. Many were nearly apostate. They were in a situation that they were not protected by the Roman Government because they had accepted the CHRISTIAN faith so were starting to deny or compromise that faith. This letter is not written to a basic sinner but one who is about to accept another religion.
---jody_martin on 9/14/07


No - it means there is not another gospel that will come along later for your salvation.
No new messiah - no technique - only Jesus can save you and only Jesus can seal you.
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


No!
What these verses are teaching is that if it were possible to lose your Salvation (which it is not) you could never regain it again, v6.
You will notice that those who claim you can lose your Salvation have "never" lost theirs. (I have asked this question of some here many times. They never answer.) They claim they are kept Saved by their good works and acts.
I am kept by the power of God. It is God who keeps and corrects me.
---Elder on 9/14/07


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