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Does Mitt Romney wear 'secret Mormon underwear'? Would this be a good question to ask him?

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Yes, secret sacred undergarments offering a cloak of invisibility that causes some Christians to vote for him. Also, it allows various evangelical leaders to support Mr. Romney, despite his religion, Leviticus 19:19, Ezekiel 18:25, 29, 2Corinthians 6:14-18, Ephesians 5:11-13, 1Timothy 5:22, 2John 1:9-11.
p.s. change the words "Mr. Romney" to the incredulous politician of your choice.
---Glenn on 10/23/09


Dear Happy LDS

Many of the saints do a number of good things and do hard work for others. But the Denominatal body I have not found much that they do. They operate many businesses for commercial profit. You do not have a paid ministry and most of your missionaries pay for themsleves. So the leaders mass a great deal of wealth.

In the last list I checked your denomination spent in Ten Years what we through ADRA spent in one.

Yet you are far wealtheir then our church.
---Samuel on 10/23/09


Samuel -

I would suggest you google LDS humanitarian efforts. You will find that this church donates a lot of time and money to humanitarian causes. Talk to the victims of hurricanes and other natural disasters. Talk to those who have been vaccinated in poverty stricken countries or have received medical care such as needed surgeries. Talk to people on our welfare system. Yes, we build Temples and we believe that Temple ordinances are necessary works. I think of many comments you've posted - some true but most distorted, this accusation was by far the most ignorant.
---HappyLDS on 10/22/09


Dear Ashley

I agree with your last letter. That is a true teaching about repentance means turning from sin that Christians have been teaching for centuries. It is sad that so many churches today not teach it.

It is also true that works do not save us. Works are the result of love. Because I love GOD I keep all of his Ten Commandments. Because Christians Love others they treat others with respect and try to help them. The LDS church is one of the if not the richest church in the world. Yet as a church they have only recently worked to help others. They build Temples worth over 50 million dollars yet give little to keep people from starving to death. I have know some LDS members who do help but the church as a whole not really.
---Samuel on 10/22/09


Happy LDS said, "There are scriptures that show that fruits and vegetables (the first of the harvest) were perfectly good offerings."
What were these offerings for? Maybe a tithe? You will never see them being accepted for Salvation by God.
God offered His only begotten son as a blood sacrifice for the sin of mankind. God knew what salvation would cost and did not settle for less. The fruit and veggies represented man's works.
Would you post you house for sale and then take a basket of tomatoes for it. If you did the neighborhood would have fruits and nuts.
---Elder on 10/22/09




Kathr -

Again, we are talking about a piece of art. Just silly.

I think an even bigger point is that fact that you spout off things you read without fact checking. Examples are this statue which you orignally claimed was of Cain and was in front of the Temple (neither was true). You also claimed that Reed Smoot was expelled from the congress for taking the erroneus oath of vengeance(not true). I might add that people in the biblical times used to ask God to avenge them. As far as the "oath" itself - the information was gotten by people who were disinfected by the church and there were different versions - no one knows for sure what it really was. Believe what you want.
---HappyLDS on 10/21/09


Just because someone says they are saved doesn't make it reality. Jesus said that murderers, adulterers, liars, etc will NOT enter the kingdom of God, because no unclean thing can enter. Saying sorry and then doing it again is NOT repentence. It's going through the motions without exercising true faith. The Savior's sacrifice covers those that repent daily and try to live their lives by example. If Jesus stood next to you each day, he wouldn't be offended by anything you do. Man's teachings say you are saved, don't worry, eat, drink, and be merry, because you will return to Heaven. False doctrine of satan and that isn't what the bible teaches, where many pick and choose what they believe. You can't serve two masters at the same time.
---ashley on 10/21/09


I do have cause to apologize to you Kath, I forgot that because you have only the Bible to base your understanding, you believe that God didn't accept Cain's sacrifice because of the sacrifice. I forgot that my understanding comes from modern day revelation which explains that it wasn't about the sacrifice, it was about the intent. It's likely that the artist had the same understanding.
---HappyLDS on 10/21/09


HappyLDS, acceptable to WHO??? If God never asked them to offer fruits and vegetables, that was just as unacceptable as CAIN offering wheat....

Hebrews 11 states nothing of Adam & Eve offering fruit and vegetables,


We do see God accepted Abel's sacrifice testifying his faith in the Promised redeemer who would shed His Blood for the forgivness of sin!

OT saints looked forward to the Cross..we look back! Same FAITH..same WAY, ONLY WAY! Established in Genesis 3:15


4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain,(BLOOD!!!) by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
---kathr4453 on 10/21/09


Happy LDS, God never asked Adam & Eve to offer fruits and vegetables.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/09

Kath - Please stop putting words in my mouth, I didn't say that God asked Adam and Eve to offer fruits and vegetables. I simply pointed out that these were acceptable offerings.

You are aware that you are using a statue - a PIECE OF ART to interpret doctrine, right?This is just silly.
---HappyLDS on 10/20/09




So - wouldn't someone have to be saved from the bonds of the first death (the free gift given us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ - RESURRECTION) in order to face the second death? Again, it's a matter of logic. HappyLDS

The Sacrifice of JESUS grants eternal life to HIS followers. Those who come up in the Second resurrection die and cease to exist. The resurrection is not paid for by the life and resurrection of JESUS. Eternal life is.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
---Samuel on 10/20/09


2. There are scriptures that show that fruits and vegetables (the first of the harvest) were perfectly good offerings. (Lev 23:10// Ex 34:26)
---HappyLDS on 10/16/09

Happy LDS, God never asked Adam & Eve to offer fruits and vegetables.

The scriptures you put here Ex & Lev are symbolic of the FirstFritus, pointing to Pentecost, just as the Lamb pointed to Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/09


We believe that Jesus Christ created the world under the direction of God the Father. We believe that Jesus is a god but separate from God the Father. HappyLDS

The Bible teaches there is one GOD and that JESUS CHRIST created everything.
Eph. 3:9
1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

How could the man who became god live on a planet created by JESUS?
---Samuel on 10/19/09


Read all of I Cor 15 this promise is made to only those in JESUS. There are two resurrections. One to life and one to death. Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 14 21:8 Matthew 10,28 Romans 6:23. Sin results in dying and ceasing to exist in the lake of fire. Not eternal life.
---Samuel on 10/16/09

So - wouldn't someone have to be saved from the bonds of the first death (the free gift given us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ - RESURRECTION) in order to face the second death? Again, it's a matter of logic.
---HappyLDS on 10/17/09


Kath - so the Godmakers is your chosen source of truth. As I said before, I find it silly that a piece of ART was chosen as another way to misconstrue LDS beliefs. This only proves to me that there are many who will grasp at anything to misinterpret. There are a couple of points you've overlooked:

1. God was angry with Cain's refusal to obey and his attempt to cover up his sins by making an offering to God - an offering commanded by Satan.

2. There are scriptures that show that fruits and vegetables (the first of the harvest) were perfectly good offerings. (Lev 23:10// Ex 34:26)

cont.
---HappyLDS on 10/16/09


3. I would think that showing a blood sacrifice would be kind of gross when you consider that the statue was in the visitors center and would be seen by all - including children.

As far as the position of the Lamb, I've read that it was beside Adam and Eve. I've never seen the statue so I don't know. I'm assuming that you haven't either. So the church removed the statue when it was found that so many misinterpreted it and were offended by it. I don't see that as a cover up, I see it as respectful.

As an added note,there is much in the Godmakers that even Jerald and Sandra Tanner point out as complete distortions and those two don't like the church at all! Maybe you should check into another source. (With all due respect)
---HappyLDS on 10/16/09


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Happy LDS, Yes, The statue had Adam/Eve offering up a bowl of fruit on an altar, with a lamb standing next to them in a lower position. Since the lamb who is a symbol of Christ, some took as meaning that the bowl of fruit (being higher) is held in higher regard than Christ. This same statue got complaints from other Christian groups because it showed Adam and Eve giving a fruit sacrifice (as Cain had done) instead of a blood sacrifice (as Able had). They pointed to this as proof that the Mormons didn't know that Cain's sacrifice was rejected. Since this statue clearly bothered Christians who complained, because they pointed out that Jesus/Lamb was thought less than a bowl of fruit, THEN the LDS Church removed the statue.
---kathr4453 on 10/16/09


Dear HappyLDS truly you teach another Gospel according to your own words that all will be saved. In Doctrines and Covenants Smith said some would burn in hell for eternity. I do not have the book with me to look up the quote.

But you ignore 1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Do all belong to Christ? Read all of I corithians 15. Paul is preaching to Christians. He is not saying the wicked can live for the devil and then inherit eternal life in the New Earth. The gift of GOD is eternal life only to those in Christ.
---Samuel on 10/16/09


We have difference in opinion of what "salvation" means though. The Bible teaches that ALL will be saved - regardless of righteousness or evil, we will ALL be ressurrected through the sacrifice given us by Jesus Christ. (I Cor 15:22) We also believe that there are many mansions in heaven (according to Jesus) and that we will be judged according to our works. Works being obeying the commandments and ordinances such as baptism, receiving the Holy Ghost,etc. HappyLDS

Read all of I Cor 15 this promise is made to only those in JESUS. There are two resurrections. One to life and one to death. Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 14 21:8 Matthew 10,28 Romans 6:23. Sin results in dying and ceasing to exist in the lake of fire. Not eternal life.
---Samuel on 10/16/09


Kath -
The statue was actually of Adam and Eve making an offering of fruits and vegetables at an altar. Also included was a sheaf of wheat and a Lamb.
First, it was a piece of art and I'm pretty sure that art isn't doctrine. It was located in the Visitors Center and it was removed because there were some Christians believed that it was a sign that Mormons didn't understand why God didn't accept Cain's offering.

In other words, it was removed to avoid silly accusations made by people who had no understanding of the LDS faith. Who needs that kind of grief?
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


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Again, Kath, you seem to have some incorrect information regarding Reed Smoot. He was NOT removed from office due to his supposed taking of this oath. When he was elected in 1902 there were many who did not believe he should serve because he was thought to be a polygamist. When they could not remove him for polygamy, they used the "oath" as grounds. This battle was fought until 1907 (he was serving during that time). He was re-elected in 1908, 1914, 1920 and 1926. He lost his re-election bid in 1932. He served from 1902 until March of 1933. I checked several sources - not just a church source.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


Happy, what Gospel is that? That Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation?
Or that we will be Gods and get to rule over our own world if we are perfected?
---NurseRobert on 10/15/09

Yes,NurseRobert - that is exactly what Gospel we preach. We have difference in opinion of what "salvation" means though. The Bible teaches that ALL will be saved - regardless of righteousness or evil, we will ALL be ressurrected through the sacrifice given us by Jesus Christ. (I Cor 15:22) We also believe that there are many mansions in heaven (according to Jesus) and that we will be judged according to our works. Works being obeying the commandments and ordinances such as baptism, receiving the Holy Ghost,etc.
CONT.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


cont. NurseRobert - even with our obedience and works we cannot be saved from our sins without the grace given by the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

Yes, we believe in modern revelation. I've asked where in the Bible it says that God will cease speaking through prophets forever. ALL of my questions go ignored. There was an apostacy (biblical) but there was also a promised restoration (biblical), which we believe occurred through Joseph Smith. It is through modern revelation that we understand what the true Plan of Salvation is all about. We believe that ultimately we can become gods - NEVER above or the same as God, Our Father. He will always be our God. I find it easy to believe a Heavenly Parent would want what He has for His children.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


It's a promise to pray to God for Him to avenge the blood of the prophets - not specifically Joseph Smith.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


HappyLDS, we pray no such thing or are we asked to pray such things. We pray for the lost, the sinner, not vengence upon sinners.

And in the text...upon this nation...is a giveaway!

HappyLDS, did you know the Mormon Temple in Utah had a statue of Cain holding wheat at the entrance. It wasn't until someone pointed out in a Book revealing many things contrairy to Christianity. God cursed Cain and his offering. Out of embarassment.

All those years under the direction of false Prophets..and no one within your own organization even questioned it?
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09


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Cluny, I apologize for making that statement. I suppose I got confused since you and Kath both enjoy the tactics of disparagement ("Mormonoid and Book of Morons, Fruit of the Loom," etc.) and not quite accurate statements.

As far as "proof" of the tablets - I imagine that the plates are being protected because they have not all been translated AND due to their possible monetary worth. There are eleven witnesses who claim to have seen and handled the plates. These men never took back their statements - even those who eventually left the church. Before you decide to prove me wrong, I suggest you do some serious research and not take what the anti mormon pamphlets say as truth.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09

For honesty sake - let's say that this is what the "oath" said. This information was gotten by ex church members - therefore would likely be considered "heresay". That being said - does the wording suggest that the persons themselves take matters into their own hands? No, it does not. It's a promise to pray to God for Him to avenge the blood of the prophets - not specifically Joseph Smith.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


\\It's interesting that YOU and Cluny KNOW what
was behind the oath of prayer for vengeance (when there is no clear evidence in regard to it's wording) but don't know that the LDS believe the Bible to be the word of God\\

Actually, I NEVER said what was behind it, nor have I claimed to know.

I only said that, based on your own statement, that you ADMIT such an oath was in the Mormonoid temple rituals once upon a time.

However, I DO know that the Mormonoid church says that the Bible is the word of God "as far as it is translated correctly," but the Book for Morons, Pearl of Great Price, and others are the word of God without any qualification.
---Cluny on 10/15/09


What you don't seem to grasp is that the LDS don't preach another Gospel - we preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09

Happy, what Gospel is that? That Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to salvation?

Or that we will be Gods and get to rule over our own world if we are perfected?

Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is "another testament" but give no proof. With the Bible, I can see proof of those scriptures (in fact, some of the Dead Sea Scrolls are on display in Toronto, CN.) There is no proof of "golden tablets" or "seer stones" used to read them.


---NurseRobert on 10/15/09


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Happy, I picked up on your phrase, "we preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ." What do you say the Gospel is? Please define your word usage, thanks.
---Rod4Him on 10/15/09


Following Joseph Smith's martyrdom, Brigham Young introduced an oath which required members to swear vengeance "upon this nation." It became the subject of a United States Senate Investigation.

Hon. Smoot Mormon, was removed from office, on the grounds that he had taken this treasonous oath in the endowment ritual.

Recorded in U.S. Senate Document 486(59th Congress, 1st Session)

The wording of the oath:

"You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, and that you will teach the same to your children and to your children's children unto the third and fourth generation."
---kathr4453 on 10/15/09


Kathr-
It's interesting that YOU and Cluny KNOW what
was behind the oath of prayer for vengeance (when there is no clear evidence in regard to it's wording) but don't know that the LDS believe the Bible to be the word of God. I'm perfectly aware of the scripture you've cited regarding "another gospel." What you don't seem to grasp is that the LDS don't preach another Gospel - we preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You declaring otherwise doesn't not make it so.

CONT.
---HappyLDS on 10/15/09


\\
The "oath of vengeance" was PRIOR to 1927.||

In other words, at one time there WAS an oath of vengeane in the Mormonoid temple ceremonies, right?

Pay Lay Ale is, at best, a beer brewed by a Brazilian soccer player.

And your temple ceremonies can offer neither health to sinews nor marrow in the bone, because there is no power in your priesthood for yourselves, your descendant, or anyone else forever.
---Cluny on 10/14/09


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The "oath of vengeance" was PRIOR to 1927. It was an oath to pray for the Lord's vengeance on those that killed the prophets.HappyLDS!!

OUR Prophets, or YOUR prophets?

Happy, how silly! you all don't even recognize our prophets, so why would you take an oath to pray for the Lords vengence concerning OUR prophets who clealy state Jesus the same yesterday today and tomorrow, and have no need for a NEW Gospel to be preached here? Our Prophet Paul said, if anyone preaches any other Gospel than the one he preached that Gospel is ACCURSED!!!

WE don't take any such oaths for any such reason to begin with.

An oath is a VOW, not a prayer request.

LDS OATH, VOW of vengence is because of Joseph Smith's death.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/09


Yes Happy, WE are the evil...anyone not a Mormon.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/09

These are YOUR words Kath, I have never heard them said, nor implied by any leader of the Mormon Church. Whoever your source is - McKeever/Johnson, Hunt/Decker, The Tanners - are giving you fuel for your fire. The problem is that should you find the entire context of quotes or doctrine you would be very disappointed.
---HappyLDS on 10/14/09


Kath - Should you be interested in the facts:

The "oath of vengeance" was PRIOR to 1927. It was an oath to pray for the Lord's vengeance on those that killed the prophets. For those of us who never suffered the same persecutions that the early Mormons did, it might be hard to understand. There are conflicting stories made by those who "expose" the temple ceremony as far as what the wording was, no one knows.

So you see, once again you don't know all that you think you do.
---HappyLDS on 10/14/09


Dear HappyLDS, when you're explaining you're losing.
by Larry

No, Larry. Whenever I'm explaining I am offering someone the opportunity to learn the truth about LDS beliefs.

As for the Jackson County/ New Jerusalem - there is so much misunderstanding surrounding this that I can't even begin to explain it in 1000 words, let alone 125. I don't think it matters though - you'll continue to accept the offerings of enemies (for lack of a better word) of the LDS church over anyone actually involved in it. Just so you know - I wouldn't trust the word of an ex mormon either...I think those people are fighting hard against their own testimony, looking for a reason to justify their leaving.
---HappyLDS on 10/14/09


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Dear HappyLDS, when you're explaining you're losing.
THe one thing that is missing from your defense of secret underwear or of Jackson County Missouri as the new Jerusalem is scripture.
If you want to pack up your SUV, head down I-44 and play at Six Flags until Christ returns to Missouri be my guest.
After such a bold rejection of the truth we are dusting off our feet and moving on.
---larry on 10/14/09


I've never even implied such a thing! I don't know wear you get this stuff but it's ridiculous.
---HappyLDS on 10/13/09

HappyLDS, it seems that there are many things you do not KNOW about your own faith.

Did you KNOW in your Temple ceremonies, Mormons have to take an oath, and that oath is VENGENCE on the American Government avenging the death of Joseph Smith. Do you also KNOW this is WHY Christians are very cautious about any Mormon becoming President?

Maybe you need to KNOW these things. Yes Happy, WE are the evil...anyone not a Mormon.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/09


Happy I don't apologize for telling the truth any more than Paul apologized to the Judiazers after saying he hoped they castrated themselves for trying to bring Christians under the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/09

Unfortunately Kath, you claim to know what I believe and you don't have a clue. It's impossible to have a mature, honest discussion with someone who turns to offensive remarks to cover up ignorance. I know that sounds rude and I apologize for that. I have no other recourse but to call it like it is. You accept as "truth" what you've been told by those who twist the truth to suit their agenda. Stop telling me (as a practicing LDS) what the LDS believe or teach - I know what I believe.
---HappyLDS on 10/13/09


You all wear the secret underware to ward off evil...What you don't tell the truth about is that WE are that evil.

I find this MORE offensive than anything I have said to you!!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/12/09

Help me to understand, Kath. You've accused me of lying and have made up a doctrine of hate that doesn't exist...now you're offended by your OWN declaration of truth? Here's the thing - you made the statement, I've never even implied such a thing! I don't know wear you get this stuff but it's ridiculous.
---HappyLDS on 10/13/09


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to me the LDS underware is very similar to the symbols that Roman Catholics use to ward off evil. They are similar in nature and function.

While I do not agree with either of them. I do not make fun of them. We should respect people.
---Samuel on 10/13/09


Our garments remind us of who we are and the promises we have made to God. Again, this is spiritual protection and yes, not wearing them could result in consequences as we might easily forget. It's a shame that so many take pleasure in defaming the religious symbols of others.
---HappyLDS on 10/8/09


HappyLDS, I must remind others here of what you don't say.

You all wear the secret underware to ward off evil...What you don't tell the truth about is that WE are that evil.

I find this MORE offensive than anything I have said to you!!!!
---kathr4453 on 10/12/09


I would not be comfortable anywhere that teaches and feels it's justified to behave in the manner you've shown here and elsewhere on these blogs.
---HappyLDS on 10/10/09


Happy LDS, I know you wouldn't be comfortable. Joel Osteen wouldn't feel comfortable around me either. Or Paula White, selling God's angels for a small donation of $2000 to THEIR minitry, or Benny Hinn selling his 3 in 1 anointing oil, only good for cough, colds, and bunions, climbs trees, paints houses, and makes your hair grow long or short...Shake well before using!

Happy I don't apologize for telling the truth any more than Paul apologized to the Judiazers after saying he hoped they castrated themselves for trying to bring Christians under the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/09


Ephesians 5: 11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

12For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
.....

15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise.


Happy LDS, Romans 1 tells us men became fools when they worshiped the creature more than the CREATOR.

When YOU worship the creature Joseph Smith's teaching OVER God's word, You will find yourself in the same jeopardy as all those who did exchange truth for a lie, those my Dear Happy LDS, parished in the flood.



---kathr4453 on 10/12/09


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One more thing Kath - there is a difference between "secret" and "sacred". Why would Mormons reveal the sacred practices of the Temple so that they can be disparaged and defamed as shown on this blog? I believe that God knows the hearts of man and does not wish them revealed for that reason.
---HappyLDS on 10/11/09


Kathr -

I'm perfectly aware of your remark, your implication and the spirit in which you made it.

I stand by what I said and my appreciation for the leaders of my church. I have no doubt that Jesus Christ directs them.

I would not be comfortable anywhere that teaches and feels it's justified to behave in the manner you've shown here and elsewhere on these blogs.
---HappyLDS on 10/10/09


Kathr's remark makes me appreciate being LDS even more.HappyLDS**


Happy, I first remarked that teh ONLY thing we are instructed to wear is in Ephesians 6..the WHOLE Armour of God.

AND the only undercloths we are to wear is the FRUIT of the Spirit.

God does not see us after the FLESH any more...so your secret underware is not protecting anything but your flesh.

Crosses around the neck don't protect, or bumper stickers on our cars...Yes, we also have these issues!

Only MEN who wear Victoria's Secret underware certainly SHOULD keep that a secret!

However with that, WE as Christians don't need to do ANYTHING IN SECRET....We are actually forbidden to do anything in secret!
---kathr4453 on 10/10/09


It appears my continuation to Larry got lost. I apologize if it is a late arrival and this is repetitive. If one were to continue to verses 16 & 17, he would read:

16. I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millenium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17. I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than this time.

It doesn't appear that this was a prophecy since Joseph Smith himself claims no clear understanding. He simply says that he believes it won't be before that time considering what he was told.
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


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Kathr's remark makes me appreciate being LDS even more. I am a member of a church which NEVER disparages the beliefs of others. Our leaders NEVER put down other churches, they recognize that all Christian churches have portions of the truth. Our youth are NEVER taught about any religion other than their own and they are certainly never encouraged to watch anti-anything films. Our leaders encourage us to read the scriptures, study and to pray to God for guidance and understanding. We are encouraged to love those who hate us - just as Jesus Christ taught. We are also taught to obey ALL Ten Commandments - including "thou shalt not bear false witness."
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


BTW, Smith said Christ would return in the 19th century when he was 85, where does that leave the LDS now?
---larry on 10/9/09

As with your previous post, you have only partial content...no doubt the intent of your "sources". The verses you are speaking of are found in Doctrine & Covenants Section 130, 14-15. These are "items of instruction" given by Joseph Smith. Apparently he was asked when the Second Coming of Christ would occur. He stated that he had prayed on the subject and heard a voice saying, "my son, if thou livest until thou art 85 years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man, therefore let this suffice and trouble me no more on this matter." CONT.
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


The ONLY underwear any Christian should wear is:

THE FRUIT OF THE LOOM!

For those who Forget, I would suggest : Garanimals.

For those who Lose Control, I would suggest Depends.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/09


ha ha ha ...very entertaining - perfect
---Rhonda on 10/9/09


HappyLDS, the Garden of Eden was not in Missouri nor will Christ return there as the new Jerusalem, so these are not "obscure beliefs" that have "no significance".
You say "there are contributing factors to the Garden of Eden belief that we won't bother to research?"
What's to research about a lie from the father of lies?
Christians on this blog are supposed to accept in silence Joseph Smith's teaching from the book "The Second Prophecy" that Christ would return to Jackson County? Those who love the truth cannot let that go unchallenged! BTW, Smith said Christ would return in the 19th century when he was 85, where does that leave the LDS now?
---larry on 10/9/09


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The ONLY underwear any Christian should wear is:

THE FRUIT OF THE LOOM!

For those who Forget, I would suggest : Garanimals.

For those who Lose Control, I would suggest Depends.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/09


I thought Romney's LDS belief that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri was so preposterous it couldn't be taken seriously but I guess at its core this stuff is blasphemy.
larry on 10-8-09

It's interesting how people take an obscure belief that has no real significance and make it a central point about our faith. The central focus of our faith is Jesus Christ. We view Him as our Redeemer, our Savior, the Son of God. We believe that we are to live by the example He set for us. There are a lot of contributing factors to the Garden of Eden belief but no doubt you won't be bothered with research.
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


I wonder how many Christians who would never vote for Obama would vote for Romney knowing these beliefs are as every bit as errant and dangerous as abortion. This LDS stuff will condemn the soul to hell, while abortion in all its abhorency does not affect the security of the baby's soul gone to be with the Lord. We shall see.
---larry on 10/8/09
It will be interesting for sure - to see if a man who believes in Jesus Christ, lives a life of worship and service, has raised a good family, has excellent leadership and business credentials will be penalized (should he run) because so many choose to fear what they don't understand rather than to do honest investigation. While they choose blissful ignorance, they allow their country to suffer.
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


Here's my question:

Don't you find it hypocritical to condemn a man who lives a life of Christian values while offering a pass to the many "Christian" candidates (past and present)who have had some serious ethical problems/violations? Shouldn't that "Christian" candidate be held to a higher standard?
---HappyLDS on 10/9/09


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Wait until Saturday Night Live gets a hold of this one?
Kathr called it witchcraft and I thought her comment was a bit severe but maybe she's on to something.
I thought Romney's LDS belief that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri was so preposterous it couldn't be taken seriously but I guess at its core this stuff is blasphemy.
I wonder how many Christians who would never vote for Obama would vote for Romney knowing these beliefs are as every bit as errant and dangerous as abortion. This LDS stuff will condemn the soul to hell, while abortion in all its abhorency does not affect the security of the baby's soul gone to be with the Lord. We shall see.
---larry on 10/8/09


The posts made by Mima always fascinate me. He doesn't believe in modern prophets yet is okay with a "street Prophet" who claims he saw Joseph Smith at the gates of hell. He also ignores that this "street prophet" appears to have softened his view of Mormons in later years and that his family was disturbed my his defense of the Book of Mormon enough that they dismissed this part of his life record. I don't remember his name but I researched this claim long ago when Mima made the same assertion.

cont.
---HappYLDS on 10/8/09


Kath - I have no idea why "the others" wear their own separate garments, nor do I care. I will say that these religious garments seem to set them apart from others - for example the robes worn by priests or ministers set them apart from the rest of the congregation. Many Christians wear a cross around their neck to set them apart from unbelievers. Temple garments remind us that we too are set apart, we have entered into a special covenant with God. Our garments remind us of who we are and the promises we have made to God. Again, this is spiritual protection and yes, not wearing them could result in consequences as we might easily forget. It's a shame that so many take pleasure in defaming the religious symbols of others.
---HappyLDS on 10/8/09


One more thing - Mima suggests reading the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Great idea! Just be sure that when you do, you read the discourses in their entirity and not sentences or thoughts taken out of context for the sole purpose of discrediting them - as most anti mormon literature does. It's important also to realize that though these men are prophets, they are also men and have thoughts and ideas as all men/women do. Prophets are prophets when speaking as a mouthpiece for God.
---HappyLDS on 10/8/09


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---kathr4453 on 10/2/09 called this wearing a special underwear witchcraft. I'll agree with that statement. I spoke with a Mormon over the weekend who described his joining the Mormon Church as being an answer to his cries to the Lord by their knocking on his door to the right time.
I have read the book of Mormon it is like a child's fairytale only much more dangerous as it convenes its followers to hell.
A few years ago someone ask spiritual teacher, could he see Joseph Smith? Yes he said I can see him and he is standing with Satan at the entrance to hell.
For those in doubt I would ask you to read the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
---mima on 10/5/09


They are a source of spiritual protection.
---HappyLDS on 9/30/09

HappyLDS, but the others you mentioned do not wear for spiritual protection, and are not told if they remove serious consequences will follow.

What you are describing is witchcraft...like wearing garlic cloves around the neck....it's superstition.

The ONLY thing we are asked to wear is the whole armour of GOD....those can be found in Ephesians 5.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/09


Priests, ministers,etc. wear special clothing that sets them apart from the congregation do they not? The Jewish men wear Yamikas (misspelled) during worship. There are probably many other religions all over the world that have some type of garment that makes them different.

The garments worn by Mormons who have gone through the Holy Temples are considered sacred (obviously not secret). They are worn to set us apart from the world, to remind us of who we are and the importance of the covenants we have made with God. They are a source of spiritual protection.
---HappyLDS on 9/30/09


I do not know nor am I privy to Rummy's underwear at this time. However if he is a good and true Mormon he will have on that special apron when they put him in his casket. If he is a true and faithful Mormon believing Joseph Smith is the way to heaven perhaps he will not need more clothing to keep warm!!
---Mima on 5/17/08


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They are not christians! Read the blogs -their god is from the planet 'kolob' is yours?
They claim to be christian leading millions into a false cult under the guise of christianity. The are demonic .....go to a site like josephlied and see the extent of the deception please.
I do not make fun of Hindu, Islam or anyones faith - I provoke people who claim they are christian and are clearly NOT!
---Andrea on 9/22/07


How quickly people forget. Harry S. Truman, president of the United States had Ezra Taft Benson as his running mate and source of strength because of his honesty and faith in Jesus Christ. Ezra Taft Benson later became the president of the LDS church. He stood for honesty, integrity and living righteously. He would have become president of the United States if Truman died. Germany and Japan were defeated through the influence of a LDS. funny how people ignor facts in history.
---ashley on 9/22/07


Sorry but religion & politics donot go together no matter the canadites religious background.Shame on you for making a stupid joke, & I use that word strongly! Go repent to God for true Christians donot make jokes about other chrisitans whether you believe in their faith or not!
---candice on 9/21/07


Doesn't anyone remember when Pres. Clinton asked on MTV if he wore boxers are briefs? I work out at a military gym and you CAN NOT help but to notice the guys in the odd underwear whom, I found out to be Mormons. The miltary has a large number of Mormons.
---randy on 9/21/07


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I would like to point out that after reading the various posts made about the LDS throughout these blogs - why should Mitt Romney answer anything about his personal beliefs - his answers won't be good enough for the closed minded, and if the "Christians" here are representative of "Christians" (I hope not!) - why bother? This doesn't make him less LDS, makes him smart enough to discern an honest inquiry over one made just to degrade his faith.
---Tammy on 9/20/07


"mitt Romney is not a very good person he is a sorry representation of Mormon's. he lies and denies what Mormon's truly believe"

I propose that because YOU are ignorant as to what the Mormons believe -you are accusing Mitt Romney of lying. The favorite tactic of the "Christians" here. As for the "secret underwear" - the temple garments are a very sacred part of LDS beliefs and to make fun of something you have no real understanding of only shows your ignorance.
---Tammy on 9/20/07


I have not decided who I'm going to vote for but I'm not ridiculous enough to place my vote because of religion -

The republican field has a couple of Baptists, Catholics, etc. I will vote on who I think will be best for the country I love.
Religion should have nothing to do with it but the lack of does, which is why I would never vote for a left winger.
---Tammy on 9/20/07


mitt Romney is not a very good person he is a sorry representation of Mormon's. he lies and denies what Mormon's truly believe. i am not a Mormon and i don't believe one word the Mormons say. it is a cult in my opinion but if i were Mormon. i would have a crow to pick with mitt Romney the fair weather Mormon.
---iboic on 9/17/07


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Who is Mitt Romney?
---Holly4jc on 9/16/07


mima - good point.
I think we should know if he is that superstitious.
To wear magic underwear is very telling about whether a person is into 'luck' etc

I rebuke myself for even crossing my fingers - if we trust in Christ we have God's favor and luck is short for 'lucifer'
---Andrea on 9/16/07


mima - good point.
I think we should know if he is that superstitious.
To wear magic underwear is very telling about whether a person is into 'luck' etc

I rebuke myself for even crossing my fingers - if we trust in Christ we have God's favor and luck is short for 'lucifer'
---Andrea on 9/16/07


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