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Because of the possibility of killing someone, should a christian be a police officer?

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#3. that person would not die. God would find a way for him not to die, since God is in control of everything. God is not a bystander and just letting everything go to hell in a basket. He is even in control of Satan. If Satan is given room to work, it is only because God has given him room to work, for reasons even the devil doesn't know. No one knows but God for even through the worse sins committed, God has turn them for good. Sometimes death is the tool God uses to bring other to spiritual life.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


Each one of God's children learn at a different level then another since we are all different in many ways. Some have opinions others don't have that is for sure. Many of you forget that physical death is important to us because it concerns us, but spiritual life is more important to God since that is what the gospel is about. The restoring of someone who is lost spiritually to God. In the Old Testament many were slain by God for the good of others, and the survival of God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


#2. Though God wants us to live happy and save, He gives us rules to folow for a better life. The lost don't abide by such rules. But God' concern is for the spiritual death of those who are lost. When a murderer kills someone and he repents to God, with a contrited heart through the gospel, his soul is saved but the consequence of his sin against his fellow man, is death for the crime he committed. If somehow God didn't want that perticular person not to die, for a reason God had for him,
---Mark_V. on 10/31/07


Yes they should, The Knights Templar killed many and they were Christians. And it is not as if you would kill out of spite, but more so as of defense or as an act of cleaning the earth of those who do others harm, someone has to do it, better to lose one life than to have a criminal destroy many.
---Davis on 10/11/07


"I understand you feeling but, if it is against the law and you refuse you will go to jail."

Yes, the early Christians spent their time in prisons for obeying God and even some today do the same. I would do the same if it came to that, because we must obey God and not men.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/10/07




"If God told you to preach it in the first place why would He then tell you to stop?"

Hypothetically, if I was preaching the Gospel to someone and a cop said stop or I'll arrest you ,God can very well say "stop" for the simple reason God does not want me in jail right now. He may want me to wait until that cop is gone and then start preaching again. On the other hand God may say "continue." Either can happen.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/10/07


If someone is overly concerned about killing someone they need to change their profession or do something less dangerous. Simple.Sometimes in your career you will be faced with the possibility of shooting, perhaps killing,someone. Your own life will be on the line also. If you are afraid of the truth of this, get out now. One day you will be faced with this very real possibility.Use wisdom.
---Robyn on 10/10/07


The actual word in the commandment is murder. We need christian police officers who can be honest role models for our children and other members of society.
---jack4335 on 10/10/07


Matthew,

If a cop tells me to do something that is wrong in God's eyes I am going to refuse.
I understand you feeling but, if it is against the law and you refuse you will go to jail.

"then I am going to still preach the Gospel unless god tells me otherwise". Sorry for the misprint.
If God told you to preach it in the first place why would He then tell you to stop?
---denna7667 on 10/10/07


Catherine,

I never said a police officer was the most dangerous job. You can't tell me they don't face danger every single day because I know they do.

Police officer, fireman, and people who serve in the military are three of the most thankless jobs. If you don't believe it just follow one around for a day.

If you had a family member go into law enforcement as an officer would you change you tune?
---denna7667 on 10/10/07




Being a police officer is not the most dangerous job in this world, it is serving the living God. Being the president of a country is not the most important job in this world, it is serving the living God. Serving the living God is also the most rewarding job in this world.>>>God needs more people that are willing to suffer for His name sake. Are you willing? Suffering with Jesus is also serving God. It is a part of it. Those who suffer with Jesus will reign with Him. For it is written.
---catherine on 10/9/07


"If a cop tells me they are going to arrest me for preaching the Gospel then I am not going to still preach the Gospel unless God tells me otherwise."

I meant to say "then I am going to still preach the Gospel unless god tells me otherwise". Sorry for the misprint.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/9/07


Denna, those were very good passages you gave and a very good arguement. I will keep them in mind. I always known that we are to follow the laws of the land, but above all live a godly life. Young man and older man and women, who are officers need our prayers very much. They are great Christians who put their live's at stake for us all, so we can live and sleep better. Praise God for man like them.
---Mark_V. on 10/9/07


Denna, when the anti-Christ is in rule submitting to His authority would mean spiritual death. When it comes to obeying the authorities we don't obey the authorities when it conflicts with the obedience of God. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that we obey that passage as long as it is in accordance with God's will. If a cop tells me to do something that is wrong in God's eyes I am going to refuse.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/9/07


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If a cop tells me they are going to arrest me for preaching the Gospel then I am not going to still preach the Gospel unless God tells me otherwise. In Iraq the governing authorites kill CHristians. Submitting to their governing authorities would involve denying Christ. Therefore, that passage must only be obeyed when it means we don't have to be disobedient toward God.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/9/07


Police officers,judges and other law enforcers are ordained by God to keep the peace, at all costs. But they are to do it fairly and honestly. The law is for lawbreakers. Not for law abiding citizens. Law enforcers are expected to do whatever it takes to keep the peace.They have what is called "given authority". They are expected to uphold this oath.By force or any means it take.It may even mean to put somone to death for a crime committed. Depending on your job/career.
---Robyn on 10/9/07


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If that is the case then why are God's people being thrown in jails and being imprisoned for speaking His messages and worshiping in public when God directs us to do so? And yes, right here in America? I asked God one time, "Is it against the law in this country, And I am mainly concerned right now with this country because it's going to the dogs real fast, "to obey you"? And God said back to me, "only if you condone it". I do know what I am typeing about.
---catherine on 10/9/07


You better read Matthews. God warned us of this stuff coming. But I never thought that it would come to my country America. But what can we expect when we are pushing God out and bringing Satan in. Unbelievers will up hold other unbelievers. For it written.
---catherine on 10/9/07


Catherine,

The police officer does not have the final word. He is given guidelines and laws that he has been given to uphold. Do they always agree with all the laws? No.

Also remember what Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 1:9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
---denna7667 on 10/8/07


Romans 13:1-2 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God, and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
---denna7667 on 10/8/07


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Something needs to be done. This is not law and order, when police has the final word. God has the final word. On Judgment Day.
---catherine on 10/7/07


Catherine,

"...all I see is immature children out carrying guns and badges with no love for their fellow man..."

My son is a police officer and he has prayed for people who are in jail and for people in the streets. Are there bad police officers? You bet. Are there bad plumbers, firemen, bankers, and every other profession? You bet. Just dont judge all by some.
---denna7667 on 10/5/07


Well said, Catherine! :-) <'}}}><
---Gordon on 9/29/07


We need to get some strong, God fearing, men and women on the police force. Right now all I see is immature children out carrying guns and badges with no love for their fellow man. Any person, police officer or not, who does not have the living God in them Satan has dominion over them. And more and more it shows. If something does not change all of us will lose all of our freedoms. Not just true Christians, but everyone. Except the cops, they do as they please.
---catherine on 9/28/07


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Sinse when do we obey the law of the land and ignore God's laws. Whatever has happen in showing proper respect to all men, because we are all made in the image of God. Noone fears God, and this is the problem. Satan has convinced the world that he does not exist. And Satan has convince the world that God does not exist. When infact they both exist. Satan, you are a LIER. My beat is not with man, it is with you SATAN!
---catherine on 9/28/07


Holyman, With the Adulteress in the New Testament, Jesus (YAHUSHUA) did not allow the woman to be stoned to death. He was showing Forgiveness, Compassion and Mercy toward her and teaching the surrounding people observing the situation to do the same. But, the problem with the people who were wanting her stoned to death was that they were hypocrites. They were out for her blood while they were just as guilty of their own sins they committed but which were not exposed in public as were the adulteress'.
---Gordon on 9/28/07


Holyman, cont...The point is that GOD (YAHUVEH) Himself, Who is Perfect and Righteous in EVERY WAY, demanded the execution for the crimes of adultery, murder, theft, etc...in the Old Testament. He HATES ALL sin and He promises that "the soul that sinneth shall die". And He was, and IS, carrying through with that promise. In cases of cold-blooded, senseless MURDER of (an) innocent victim(s), fueled by sexual lust, robbery or HATE, God will avenge by Capitol Punishment IF He sees fit to.
---Gordon on 9/28/07


YO Gordon I think you need to back up. What if Jesus had said to the harlot, To bad thats capitol punishment, see ya. Yes God is strict but you do have to allow for mercy. Paul Killed People, GOD's people, But God spared him. What Now. Dont be such a hater to crime doers,yeah its bad but "we should love our enemys"-GOD
---HolyMan on 9/27/07


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One way that GOD (YAHUVEH) gets His Vengeance on evildoers is through Capitol Punishment. Do you not remember how GOD had people STONED TO DEATH when they commited Adultery, when they murdered someone, when they stole, etc...? GOD Himself ordained those stonings. They were Old Testament versions of Capitol Punishment! It doesn't matter of the METHOD of punishment by death. Old Testament=STONING, 2007=Lethal Injection. Capitol Punishment is SUPPOSED to be a deterrent, but some people still do the crime.
---Gordon on 9/26/07


Eloy, What I said in my last posting regarding "capitol punishment" does in absolutely no way validate the murder of Jesus Christ (YAHUSHUA). Because, Jesus (YAHUSHUA) NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG! Capitol Punishment is set up for those who DO WRONG and KILL the innocent and whosoever WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION! When is it right to kill? At least, by Capitol Punishment for murderers and the like, and in situations involving civil authorities when innocent lives are at stake.
---Gordon on 9/25/07


Denna:: GOOD FOR YOU keep it up "Vengence is Mine says the Lord"
---Emcee on 9/24/07


Emcee,

I have more complete and total faith in God's word and the finished work of Christ on the cross than I have faith in my ability to do the necessary works.
---denna7667 on 9/24/07


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Denna::The equation has 2 parts. 1.Faith How much faith do you have in Gods word.Then the answer to your question re 2,works is as many as you have Faith.
---Emcee on 9/24/07


Emcee & Eloy, (1 of 2)

Either you dont know or you are ignoring this question. How many works does it take to get into heaven?

This is a waste my time and yours. You are convinced that it takes works to get into heaven. You have been misled and deceived. If you continue to believe it takes works to get in to heaven you are saying the work Christ did on the cross and His blood is not sufficient to cleanse your sins.
---denna7667 on 9/23/07


Emcee & Eloy, (1 of 2)

I have never said we shouldnt do good works. I have faith in the work Jesus did on the cross and His blood is sufficient to cleanse my sins away.

Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, I will pray Holy Sprit will enlighten both of you.
---denna7667 on 9/23/07


Denna:Denna God Jesus came to show us HIS way to obtain eternal life.As a man what did he do, He preached his gospel, WORKED incessantly,cured the lame, the blind drove out evil spirits raised people from the dead. It was his way to Salvation HE WORKED.So must you if you want Salvation. This does NOT mean you must Not have Faith you need both,same as you do with the man you love, but work you must 1 Timothy 2:15 tells you one step.
---Emcee on 9/23/07


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.denna, you are still professing falsehood by misapplying verse 5 out of context. The verses before and after your false doctrine read: "Put them in mind to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work. A faithful saying, and these things I will that you affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. Thesed things are good and profitable to men." Titus 3:1,8 The truth is, when you do no work for God, then you will be condemned to hell.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


Eloy,

If you believe it takes works to get you into heaven. You or nobody else will ever make it.

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Also if you believe it takes works then you believe what Jesus did on the cross was not enough to cover you sins. And that my brother is wrong.
---denna7667 on 9/22/07


I totally believe that we need christian police officers. There is a big difference in murdering someone, and killing someone in the line of duty to either protect yourself or to protect others. Praise God for christian police officers and may God's hand of protection be on each one.
---Cynthia on 9/22/07


I'd rather know we had Christians on our police force and in the armed forces on every level. People with integrity that won't be bought or persuaded from their oaths to uphold law.
In this day PO and firefighters are our homeland military and deserve the same respect.

Be blessed.
---Andrea on 9/22/07


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Gordan>>>Well said. You made a good point.
---catherine on 9/22/07


As long as police officers uphold the constitution first, and uphold seperation of church and state.
---MikeM on 9/22/07


.gordon, by your belief then it was valid to kill the innocent Lord Jesus, because it was as you say, a "capital punishment". Death is not a punishment, nor did the Lord God Jesus Christ give any person permission to kill nor to sin, instead he says: Vengeance is mine says the Lord, and I will repay, not you, for with the same judgment that you give will be the same judgment that I give you. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 9/22/07


We NEED christian Police officers! And, I COULD be wrong about this, but at this point I don't believe that I am, that: The kind of KILLING that GOD forbids has EVERYTHING to do with MOTIVE. If someone murders someone else with an EVIL motive (Lust, green, theft, hate, personal REVENGE, etc....) then it's WRONG. But, if it's CAPITOL PUNISHMENT or a Policeman confronting a threatening culprit then those are valid situations. GOD mandated the killing of MANY WICKED PEOPLE as noted in the Old Testament.
---Gordon on 9/22/07


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.denna, Works Save: Matthew 5:16,20,42-44, 7:12,19-21,24-27, 25:21-30,34-46, Mark 16:15,16, Luke 10:25-28, John 14:15, II Corinthians 5:9,10, Philippians 2,12, James 1:22, 2:8,14-26, Revelation 20:12,13.
---Eloy on 9/22/07


I am a retired Police Officer and now have my own ministry. I would not be one now, for things have changed from being a 'peace officer' into a 'law/code enforcement officer'. Too bad, because I became a cop because my chief was an awesome christian!
---Rich on 9/21/07


.denna, I do not follow denominations, I belong to Christ alone, and you need to repent from sin before my Christ will answer any of your prayers.
---Eloy on 9/21/07


.denna, Your false gospel of no works is a very old lie. I believe the truth, but you believe the lie. The truth is, If you do no work, you have no life and you are damned. The Command is to Do the works of Christ, and all whom disobey are condemned.
---Eloy on 9/21/07


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Rebecca,

I will pray for your husband as I do for my son every night he is on duty. He prays ever night he straps on his gun for Holy Spirit intervention, safety, and discernment.

He is thankful that he has not had to shoot anyone as of yet. He is convinced God is using him as a witness as he has and will continue to pray with men in jail.
---denna7667 on 9/21/07


Eloy,

I'm not sure what denomination you are following but I will pray for you. There are many other scripture that state, "not by works". Me, you, nobody can do enough works to get into heaven.

Once again I ask you, "How many works does it take?"

If you believe it takes works then you must believe the work Jesus did on the cross was insufficient to save you. I recall Him saying, "It is finished... (John 19:30)
---denna7667 on 9/21/07


Robyn: Believe me if it comes down to either him or the other person being shot, my husband won't hesitate on shooting that person. By being a Police Officer and a Preacher, the other guys has more respect for him and come to us when they or their families need prayer.
---Rebecca_D on 9/21/07


.denna, Jesus was very clear: We each are judged according to our works, and not only according to what we profess with our lips. He said that Every tree which bears no fruit will be thrown into everlasting hell fire along with every tree which bears bad fruit. Why? Because his Command is not only believe, for even devils believe, but instead his Command is, DO. Only the DOERS ARE SAVED. And faith without works is 100% dead.
---Eloy on 9/21/07


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Rebecca_D: I hope your husband never has to shoot anyone but the chances are great he will, sometimes in his career. If he is afraid to shoot or hesitate. I am afraid he may lose his life. Not to hurt or discredit anyone but we are soldiers in the Army of the Lord (Christians). What do soldiers do? We are in a daily battle for the Lord. On our jobs, in our own homes-- everywhere.Why do you think our bibles are called "Swords"?Read Eph chap 6.
---Robyn on 9/21/07


.denna, you are still professing falsehood by misapplying verse 5 out of context. The verses before and after your false doctrine read: "Put them in mind to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work. A faithful saying, and these things I will that you affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. Thesed things are good and profitable to men." Titus 3:1,8 The truth is, when you do no work for God, then you will be condemned to hell.
---Eloy on 9/21/07


.robyn, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 9/20/07


My husband is a Police Officer and an Preacher. He became a Preacher before becoming a Police Officer. Right now this is where God wants my husband. He has touched so many lives by being a witness. He has had to pull his pistol but he has never shot someone. And Lord Willing he won't have to.
---Rebecca_D on 9/20/07


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Did Jesus and His disciples and the early Christians who were burned alive at the stake, crucifed, had their head chopped off or fed to the lions struggle? The blood of Christians is seed. We can die with full confidence that after we die we will be given immortal life in the earth and heavens made new. The pagans, non-believers and those who are faking it can't do that because they know what they face when they die. This is how in the last days you will know who are the true believers.
---djconklin on 9/20/07


There is none that follow Him not one. All lands are sinfull.

Its easy to understand saving good people and blessing them. To bless sinners and find a way for them to get to Heaven - takes God.
---Andrea on 9/20/07


Eloy,

I agree with II Corinthians 5:10. Then I can only assume you believe in works getting you saved and into heaven.

Please tell me how many it takes? How will you know when you have done enough?

Then do we throw out Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
---denna7667 on 9/20/07


Eloy: You need to learn your rights. Are you so blind and holy you would let someone take your life from you without a struggle? I feel for you. What does that prove? I would hate for you to be my spouse,friend, brother etc....I want someone who will protect me, especially a spouse. You have that God-given right.I someone breaks into your home. Threaten your safety,kids, yourself etc...you are within your rights to protect life and limb. You need to learn the law,also.
---Robyn on 9/20/07


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It is commandable to say we should turn the other cheek, that is not what Christ was talking about, Matthew 26:52 and other passages given. He was speaking of Peter's actions. No matter how unjust the arrest of Jesus was, Peter had no right to take the law into his own hands in order to stop it. Jesus reply was a restatement of Genesis 8:6 principle:"Whosoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed," an affirmation that capital punishment is an appropiate penalty for murder.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/07


#2. Eloy say's, Protection comes from the Lord" but Jesus was not saying, "If someone comes and kill, stand still, God is going to protect you." God is not going to protect you, "Did God protect the Christians in Sept. 11th? I don't think so. God allows sin to continue, and will do away with sin when He is good and ready. We are to be loving to one another, but do we love the wicked who spit on Christ? Every word Jesus speaks, has a meaning found in the context of the message.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/07


#3. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" was a law establish as a principle for limiting retribution to that which was just, (Ex. 21:24, Lev. 24:20, Deut. 19:21). It's design was to insure that the punishment in civil cases fit the crime. It was never meant to sanction acts of personal retribution. Jesus made (no) alterations to the true meaning of the law. He was merely explaining and affirming the Law's true meaning.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/07


#4. When Jesus said, "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on," He does not mean not to worry about eating are drinking, if He did, we would die. He meant not to make it our priority in life. We have to read the whole context of the message.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/07


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.denna, Christ says ONLY THE DOERS ARE SAVED. Which good works count for salvation, EVERY WORK WILL BE COUNTED. "For we must all appear in front of the Judgment throne of Christ, that every one will receive the things in body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." II Corinthians 5:10.
---Eloy on 9/20/07


Mary, Whether a land is godly or not is the result of each individual within that land whether they regard God or dis him. When I was younger you could leave your front door open and go away for the day, and upon returning nothing would have been disturbed nor taken from your residence: Now, since this country has thrown the Lord God Jesus Christ of the schools, and out of the work places, etc. it is difficult to turn your back for longer then a few minutes without someone trying to rip you off.
---Eloy on 9/20/07


Mary, When a country turns their back on God, the cost becomes very high for all the inhabitants.
---Eloy on 9/20/07


Hi, you are right Eloy--we do need to rely upon God for protection, but trust me, bad things do happen to even very godly people. Life is not without it's brutality and if I was the victim of another crime, I'd hope for a police officer like Randy to answer the call if possible. He is a blessing to probably more people than he will ever know in his job. :)
---Mary on 9/19/07


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Hi, also Eloy, I hope I misunderstand you a bit here--you're not blaming the victims of crime are you? You said when a neighborhood is living godly lives, they will be protected, I've heard people say John Lennon was murdered because he disrespected God and that upsets me no end as the sister of a very loving and kind murder victim. I was just wondering how you see it, thanks
---Mary on 9/19/07


Eloy,

I guess that was your answer. It also tells me you believe that salvation is by works. I quote, "we will receive everlasting life or everlasting damnation according to what we do with our lives in the flesh."

If we have to depend on works, how many good works? How many can a person do to get by? I dare say neither one of us, or anybody else for that matter, can do enough "works" to get into heaven.
---denna7667 on 9/19/07


Protection comes from the Lord. God is Almighty, and if God be for us, then who can be against us? He holds the breath of every living thing in his hand, little clay is no match for the Almighty God. I witness to them and tell them that God their God is always watching and waiting for their Judgment day, for each one of us must stand before his throne and give an account of ourselves to him, and we will receive everlasting life or everlasting damnation according to what we do with our lives in the flesh
---Eloy on 9/19/07


Mary, thank you for your kind words. All prayers are appreciated.
---randy on 9/19/07


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Hi Randy, God bless you in the work you do, I have soooo much respect for police officers and other emergency workers! You face soo much and I will be in prayer for you as God reminds me, bless you :)
---Mary on 9/18/07


Eloy,

I totally agree with your thought on getting back to the Bible. But is everyone going to do that? Not in our lifetime.

You still have not answered my question as far what will you do if it happens to you? My son is a police officer and he is a child of God. He depends daily on Holy Spirit guidance when he straps on his weapon.
---denna7667 on 9/18/07


.denna, Cops can't protect you, if robbers determine to break into your house, they will. Do wolves attack the sheep? yes. Did they beat up and nail the Lord up upon a cross? yes. But nonetheless, when neighborhoods are obeying God, then wolves are less likely to break into the fold. When a land departs from the Lord, then sin and violence abound. Get back to God, and you will have no need of alarms nor bars upon your windows and doors: but if we serve sin then it will overtake and imprison, and slay us.
---Eloy on 9/18/07


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