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The Mormons god is from the planet Kolob. Why do they insist they are Christians?

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The Morman religion is a cult. They do believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers. They don't give all their doctrine to their members. They believe that there are many gods not just one. They believe that God was first a man. They also believe that when you died you can become as God and be equal to God. They also believe that everyone goes to heaven except the really really bad. People go to different realms of heaven and that you can not get to heaven unless Joseph Smith says its ok. Do not get me wrong, the Morman people are wonderful people but they have been lead astray.
---cindy on 7/9/10


Kath - as always, you are entertaining! I suppose because YOU say those scriptures are about Mormons - it must be so, right?
I'll answer to your declaration that "nowhere" does the Bible say we are "fallen angels". I'm not certain I've ever heard the claim that we are. I have heard that we existed as spirits of a Heavenly Father prior to our births. Jeremiah certainly did (Jeremiah 1:5), and it appears that Job was somewhere as well Job 38:1-7. In Acts 17:28,29 we're told we are the offspring of God, in Romans 8:16 it says we are children of God. Your understanding of these and other scriptures is different than mine...it certainly doesn't make you right.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10


Larry - you are like the playground bully who talks a lot of trash but doesn't have the courage to back it up. Your childish statements reveal a lot about you.

I have asked you a couple of questions but you haven't answered - why is that? My guess is that only thing you know is what you've heard from someone else - probably a pastor who stands to lose income should people leave his flock. I'll tell you what - when you can answer questions and write like a grown up feel free to comment. Until that time, I choose not to respond to your ignorance.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10


There is a good essay written about the charge of racism in the Book of Mormon. Anyone interested can google John A. Tvedtnes.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10


Kath -

That scripture in Galatians that you attempt to use as "proof" does no such thing. Angels are used as messengers throughout the Bible -yet for some bizarre reason you have convinced yourself that the angel in this scripture must be the angel Moroni which delivered the plates to Joseph Smith. The problem that you have is that it says ANOTHER gospel. We live the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not worship "another Jesus" (really - that's the most ridiculous falsehood out there). You warn of false teachers (as does the Bible) - I believe the Bill Kellers of the world are the false teachers. Does my saying so make it true? No, it certainly doesn't...nor does your saying anything.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10




No Kath - I never said that God chose Joseph Smith to "upstart" Christianity. The doctrines began to change according to the whims of men. The scriptures which support this apostasy or falling away are: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 / 2 Timothy 4:3,4 Acts 20:29,30.

---HappyLDS on 7/9/10

HappyLDS, those verses in 2 Thess are actually talking about YOUR religion. Your religion fell away from mainstream Christianity, and started their own...TOTALLY different than the Original Gospel. No where are we told we are fallen angels having to prove ourselves here to be restored back to God.

WHERE in our original scriptures is such things spoken???
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


No Kath - I never said that God chose Joseph Smith to "upstart" Christianity. I believe that Jesus Christ RESTORED the Gospel through Joseph Smith. He restored what was lost through the years after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ and the deaths of the Apostles. The doctrines began to change according to the whims of men. The scriptures which support this apostasy or falling away are: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 / 2 Timothy 4:3,4 Acts 20:29,30.

Scriptures which we believe support the resoration are: Acts 3:19-21 and Revelation 14:6. The angel with the everlasting Gospel is Moroni - the angel which appeared to Joseph Smith and told him about the plates which were later translated into the Book of Mormon.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10


I think the Moderator closed the book on racism having read and quoted the Book of Mormon on this hateful and disgraceful doctrine which can not be defended as a Godly attribute of the church without blaspheme of the Holy Spirit.

And for LDS, yes its best to change the subject off Jackson County and Planet Kolob as the LDS simply cannot defend such dangerous and hilarious heresy.

Receiving no straight answer from Unhappy LDS maybe Kathr or Samuel have seen or know if the saints on Kolob are little and green.
---larry on 7/9/10


HappyLDS, several of your statements you gave me credit for are not in my previous post. Maybe you are speaking to someone else? Back to my statement which is about the major theme of the Book of Mormon. Good people's skin turns white and bad people's skin turns black. I have read the Book of Mormon and that is the major theme. It's an extremely racist Book and well as the LDS religion not allowing blacks into the priesthood until 1978.
---Moderator on 7/9/10


HappyLDS, You stated God chose Joseph Smith to UP-Start Christianity again because it died. Maybe not in those exact words.

Jesus tells us the gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church. Correct. So you are saying Jesus LIED, and the original church died off, now with You all starting over here with a NEW message?

What you really are saying is the God Died. You see, Jesus is God, and if the church died, then Jesus died with it.


So you chose to disobey the Holy Scriptures where Paul tells us if even an angel brings ANOTHER Gospel, it is accursed. Do you disobey this command because you believe Christianity really died?

And you too are saying Jesus also gave this command? The same Jesus you say died?
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10




Moderator - history disagrees with you. The statement that Joseph Smith was a racist is a blatant falsehood. I offered two names to research - both would prove this accusation false. I have already agreed that eventually Priesthood was not given to black men and you are correct, that was changed in 1978 through Spencer W. Kimball.

As for the Book of Mormon - I have read it and am reading it again. I absolutely do not see the racist theme as you suggest is there. The theme I see is love God, obey the commandments, live a righteous life so that you may one day return to the Father through the atoning sacrifice of the son, Jesus Christ.
---HappyLDS on 7/9/10


HappyLDS, Blacks were not allowed to join the priesthood until 1978 due to racism in the LDS religion. If you have read the Book of Mormon, you would also know the major theme of the Book. Good people turn white and bad people turn black. I have read the Book of Mormon and encourage you to do also.
---Moderator on 7/8/10


To Dave -

You are wrong. First, blacks are and always have been "allowed" in our church. Joseph Smith ordained a black man into the Priesthood back in 1836. His name was Elijah Abel (should you choose to look it up). Yes, the blacks eventually were not able to hold priesthood but it certainly wasn't Joseph Smith that made the call. I would also suggest you google Renee Olson and see what has been written (by a black woman) on the subject. Do you have the courage to actually seek the truth rather than parroting lies?
---HappyLDS on 7/8/10


Larry - You know exactly what I meant when I used the term "suggests". I am not arguing anything with you - only pointing out that there are other opinions out there and perhaps there is symbolism involved in those scriptures. You are happy in your small mindedness - good for you. My faith allows me to see the big picture and I love it. How about answering questions for me? Where does it say in the Bible that God will stop communicating through prophets? Where are the exceptions listed by Jesus Christ in regard to who doesn't have to be baptized? There are two to start with.
---HappyLDS on 7/8/10


Hi Samuel -

The scriptures in Genesis actually name four rivers.

Polygamy occurred in biblical times and was ordained by God.

Joseph Smith revered the Bible - as you know we believe in modern revelation. As far as I know there haven't been any to directly contradict the Bible.

We've discussed the "gods" before - it goes nowhere and is truly pointless. Same goes for the BOM cities...why waste time. I do thank you for being civil - others could learn from you.
---HappyLDS on 7/8/10


Gen 2 10-14 suggests that Eden is in the center of four rivers AND that there is no known modern configuration that matches the description. - Happy LDS.



Unhappy LDS, the bible doesn't make "suggestions", and your aforementioned statements makes it clear you have swallowed the Jackson County fable. Your argument against Eden being placed in the area known in ancient times as Persia is incomprehensible to even the secular historians. You can entertain Satan so long you can lose the ability to even perceive a lie.
We must pray for Satan to lose his grip over the minds of this particular denomination which daily is condemning itself.
This is willful opposition to the Holy Spirit and no outsiders can be blamed.
---larry on 7/8/10


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Howdy Happy LDS

Genesis names two of the rivers near Eden. Those rivers are not in Missouri. Nor do any of the cities spoken of in the BOM exist.

The gods that Smith supposidly named after reading an Egyption Papyrus do not exist and modern translations using Smith's copy show he lied. That is provable.

Smith placed his words above Scripture. When Scripture contridicts LDS teaching it is ignored. For instance Elders should be husband of one wife.

I do not expect to convince you that is a job of the HOLY SPIRIT. Please read 1Kings 13.
---Samuel on 7/8/10


Founder Joseph Smith, was a racist.

Blacks were not allowed. He did not believe the Christian Bible. Some Angel name Moroni appeared to him and gave him ANOTHER separate gospel that he translated out of his own mind.
---Dave on 7/8/10


Im sorry to burst your bubble Larry, the fact remains that nothing has been proven. I assume that you realize that Gen 2 10-14 suggests that Eden is in the center of four rivers AND that there is no known modern configuration that matches the description. Maybe this passage is symbolic placing Eden as the center of the world. You can be as snide as you wish but your proof doesnt exist. I suggest you do some research as to what the differing opinions on this passage are.
---HappyLDS on 7/8/10


Thank you Happy LDS, you have so proved my point.
And yes scripture fails to give a GPS location for Eden so the Mormon teaching has as good a chance at any that Eden is in Jackson County Missouri.
Why not continue the cults practice of shredding scripture and ignore Genesis 2:14 stating the Tigris River flows out of Eden.
We'll just conclude the river was inadvertently misidentified on maps as the Missouri River. You'd better call Garmin and Rand McNally right away.

BTW, is there global warming or oil spills on planet Kolob?
---larry on 7/7/10


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There are a lot of ignorant people in the world. To know the true God is of God's choosing. Every human-being has a desire to worship something. If you do not have the true God you will make one for yourselves, my friend. There is only one true God creator of heaven and earth. He has all the power to either save you or condemn you. He has all that power. You can pray for other people, but, I'm here to tell you, ultimately it is up to God whom He chooses to spend eternity with Him. He is either going to say yes or no, you are chosen or you are not chosen, ahh, Jesus.+ I can almost see His face in this just the other day. God chooses. It is sad. Not everyone is chosen, by God, through His Son's Blood.+
---catherine on 7/7/10


Scott - not heaven...our place in eternity will be determined AFTER the resurrection and judgement. As for Hitler and Holocaust survivors - I have no clue if we will all be there together or not, not a question I've ever asked to be honest with you. I'm pretty sure that the only sin that can't be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost...AND I'm not the one responsible for forgiveness so again, I can't comment on your question.

As for what happens after a person is baptized - I assume they continue the learning process and progress. Again, not a question I've asked but will if you would like me to. The important thing is that they are baptized as instructed by Jesus Christ.
---HappyLDS on 7/7/10


HappyLds,

Regarding the proxy baptisms by 'overzealous' mormons...

Is it your opinion that Adolph Hitler and Jewish holocaust survivors were actually in heaven together for a time?

When they were removed from the baptismal 'list' (along with others that have been removed) what happens/happened to them? Were they actually there in the first place and a collective 'poof' occurs in heaven when they were removed?

I apologize for what may sound sarcastic, I really am curious about this.
---scott on 7/7/10


Larry - It appears that you have accepted what has been written in The Godmakers. You choose not to research with any sort of depth what is written. There is no way answering you "concerns" could be done in 125 words or less and you and I both know that you don't want to know the truth anyway.

Can you tell me where the Garden of Eden is? Is the exact location listed in the Bible? I'm not aware of a court battle with the Temple Lot group - they own 2.5 acres and the LDS owns 25 acres. They are apparently a branch off of the main church and believe that they are the guardians of the place where the Temple will be built until they are told which group it should belong to.

cont.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


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Well Larry, I can't say that I'm surprised you aren't interested in what Mormons believe about the Constitution - you don't appear to be interested in anything truthful. You like things out of context and distorted. Mormons believe that the Constitution of the US is inspired by God. We revere it. We believe that the Founding Fathers were inspired by God. As a Mormon, Mitt Romney believes this as well.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


Andre, if you mean by Christians, Christ-in-you the reason they insist they are Christians is because they have believed a lie from the Father of Lies.
------larry

What would that lie be Larry? I'm curious.
Mormons "insist" we are Christian because we are followers of Christ.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


Happy LDS, it doesn't matter what Mormons believe about the U.S. Constitution, or Romney's business record, pro-choice then pro-life flip flops or Romneycare.
None of the aforementioned is a foundation for a relationship with the Savior.


Tell me how belief in the new Jerusalem of Jackson County Missouri is not a willful perversion of the Gospel and exactly what Peter was talking about in false teachers?
---larry on 7/6/10


I would really be interested in knowing what the "dangers" of electing a Mormon are.
- Happy LDS
How about the false and willful perversion of the Gospel as rebuked and warned by Peter including....

1. a belief the original Garden of Eden was in Jackson County Missouri.
2. a belief a rebuilding of the Temple in Jackson County would usher in the Second Coming.
3. the court fight with the Church of Christ which currently owns the property over who owns property rights to the so-called Temple Lot.
4. How will Romey answer when questioned if the believes in Mormon Doctrine which calls Catholicism the "Church of the Devil"

Shall I go on?
---larry on 7/6/10


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StrongAxe - I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I don't believe that paradise is the same place as God's Kingdom (heaven). I believe that after we die our spirits live on in "paradise" or in "spirit prison". If you will recall - Jesus preached to the spirits in prison (Peter 4:6). I believe that those who haven't heard the Gospel will hear it and have the opportunity to accept it. They will also have the opportunity to receive a baptism done on their behalf. We won't see the Kingdom of God until the resurrection and judgement occurs. Again, this makes perfect sense to me and also assures me that God is both consistent and just.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


Scott -

It isn't my place to justify or condemn. I suppose there are some overzealous Mormons who want to be certain all have opportunity. All I can do is point out that the church asks that no one be baptized on behalf of anyone that hasn't been dead for 100 years -or if recently (or somewhat recently dead) without permission from an immediate family member if possible.
Someone was baptized for Obama's mother and the President said what I think is about the only thing I've ever agreed with...he questioned why it should bother him if he doesn't believe in it.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


Believe me with all the dangers of this cult it won't stop some Christians from voting for Romney in 2012.
Oh how we suffer from a lack of wisdom!
---larry on 7/6/10

Larry - you should research what Mormons believe about the United States Constitution. Perhaps that would ease your mind (probably not but it should).

I would really be interested in knowing what the "dangers" of electing a Mormon are. Nevermind that he has a proven record in business and strong moral values, nevermind that he loves this country...in direct contrast with the person we elected 18 months ago.
---HappyLDS on 7/6/10


Andre, if you mean by Christians, Christ-in-you the reason they insist they are Christians is because they have believed a lie from the Father of Lies.

Believe me with all the dangers of this cult it won't stop some Christians from voting for Romney in 2012.
Oh how we suffer from a lack of wisdom!

Planet Kolob, Jefferson County Missouri...such rubbish.
---larry on 7/6/10


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HappyLDS,

How do you justify the proxy baptisms of Jews who died in the holocaust (something that the Jewish community takes great issue with), not to mention Hitler and other notorious historical figures that have been included in these proxy baptisms?
---scott on 7/6/10


HappyLds:

Jesus said "TODAY you will be with me in paradise". He did NOT say "You will eventually be with me in paradise, once somebody gets around to baptizing you in my name".

The thief was in paradise THAT VERY DAY. He did NOT need any kind of baptism. He was saved by his faith, not by any work (especially a rite performed on his behalf by proxy by an unknown third party)
---StrongAxe on 7/6/10


The mormon god is just like as All the other Man- made trin - relig - org's churches,
even the god of the buddha, islam, hindu etc that came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 7/6/10


Yes Strongaxe, but I contend that thief will have the opportunity to accept a baptism performed in his behalf. Again - Jesus said that one MUST be baptized to enter the Kingdom of God. There were no exceptions offered. I believe that after death our spirits enter paradise or spirit prision while we await the resurrection. It is there that we continue to learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Those who have not heard will have the opportunity.
The Corinthians practiced the ordinance of Baptism for the dead (I Cor 15:29). Note that Paul did not tell them they were wrong - he asked them why they did it if they did not believe in the resurrection of the dead.

This ordinance shows that God is both consistent and just.
---HappyLDS on 7/4/10


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HappyLDS:

Jesus said that those who believe and are baptized are saved, while those who do not believe are not saved. This leaves open the class of people who believe but are not baptized.

But even though he did not teach about that particular group, he DID leave us with a precedent - he told the thief on the Cross that he would be in paradise - and he was a person who believed but was not baptized.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/10


Kath - Alvin died in 1823 at the age of 25. Joseph Smith received a vision of the Celestial Kingdom in 1836 in which he saw his brother Alvin there. He was confused as to how Alvin could be there and was taught the doctrine of salvation for the dead. The actual practice of baptism for the dead was revealed in 1842. So you see - it didn't happen quite like you have implied. You can read these things in Doctrine and Covenants Sections 137, 127 and 128.

As I have said before, it would be great if people would go beyond what they learn from others (because odds are good they aren't given the complete truth) and find out what Mormons are really about.
---HappyLDS on 7/3/10


Not all people who believe in Joseph Smith or the book of mormon ARE mormons. Also you have to be careful not to put everyone under the same umbrella because there are many branches of the Latter Day Saint Church & not all of them believe what the LDS~Utah/bringhamites(aka mainstram LDS)believe. There is the RLDS~Community of Christ, they lean mainly toward methodist style but accept the bom & d & c, but not POGP.
The restoration branch nor the remembrant,TempleLot or others accept the Kolab story which was manifested by bringham young.
---candice on 7/2/10


Kath - it was actually his older brother, Alvin Smith. It was his father that was upset because the Pastor who presided over his funeral said that he (Alvin) wouldn't be saved. His father couldn't understand it because Alvin had been a good person. We perform baptism on behalf of the dead is because Jesus Christ said that baptism is NECESSARY to enter the Kingdom of God. (no exceptions) We believe that those who didn't have the opportunity to hear the Gospel will receive it after this life. Baptism must be done physically, this is why we perform it here on earth. The person still has the choice to accept it or not. We do not baptize babies because we believe they are not accountable for their sins until they can understand them.
---HappyLDS on 7/2/10


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Truth is, many of your leaders including Smith and Brigham Young were Freemasons and that is a known fact that cannot be disputed.
---Higgins on 7/2/10

Truthfully, I don't care. Freemasonry doesn't freak me out - sorry. As for the symbolism used in the Temple - there is much written about it - some true and much is not. You've already made your decision so there is no need for me to elaborate.

Kath - we practice baptism for the dead because its a part of the gospel that has been restored. It was a biblical practice at one time.
---HappyLDS on 7/2/10


\\That Big EYE staring down. You will see this in Calvinists Churches in New England area.\\

It's found in many Eastern churches, too.

Where do you think the Calvinists and Mormons and Masons got it?

And do you think the Masons thought up the double-headed eagle all by themselves?

It is an emblem of the union of two natures in Christ and so used by both the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) and Russian Empires long before there were masons.

\\meaning they baptize dead people, including Holocaust victims and were told by the Jewish community to STOP!!!\\

And why would Jews think the Mormonoid rites have any spiritual power?
---Cluny on 7/2/10


Many of our presidents were Freemasons, who were also Calvinists before Mormonism was invented.

Smith grew up among the Calvinists and got many of his ideas from Calvinism.

The both have "The City on the Hill"
That Big EYE staring down. You will see this in Calvinists Churches in New England area.

You see, Calvinists taught (maybe still do) one must be baptized to go to heaven. Even babies. Calvin also believed this. Smith had a baby brother who died and was not baptized before he died. They were told he was in hell. THIS is what angered Smith, and this is why Mormons Baptize for the dead, meaning they baptize dead people, including Holocaust victims and were told by the Jewish community to STOP!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


In fact, Joseph Smith was a Freemason before he wrote the Book of Mormon and his whole family was deeply embedded in the occult and Freemasonry. Much of what Mormonism teaches and many of their ceremonies came directly from Freemasonry.

The teaching of secret gold plates of knowledge being hidden on a mount came directly from Freemasonic lore. Most of your rites and rituals have Freemasonic origins and one is almost a word for word rip-off.

Truth is, many of your leaders including Smith and Brigham Young were Freemasons and that is a known fact that cannot be disputed.
---Higgins on 7/2/10


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Happylds you have stated your case well.

The problem I have is that the bible warns of many false prophets. Today there many people on earth who claim to be prophets. Not all can be true. There is more then one LDS prophet who claims to believe in Smith.

Like Smith all these prophets claim their words take the place or supercede the Bible. Like the RCC and others who place tradition on equal footing or superior to the Bible.

To be a true prophet they must Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Since Smith does not agree with the law or the Testimony of the prophets and the New Testament he cannot be a true prophet.
---Samuel on 7/2/10


Higgins -
Our Jesus Christ is the same as in the Bible. Our understanding of him is different because of the knowledge given us through Joseph Smith and others that have followed. We believe that parts the Gospel of Jesus Christ were lost after Christ and the Apostles were gone from the earth. Doctrines of men took hold and grew. This is what caused so many different "brands" of Christianity. We believe that Jesus Christ restored his Gospel through a prophet (as has always been the way God communicates with us). We believe that others have parts of the Gospel but we have the complete Gospel of Jesus Christ. That claim offends some but I can't imagine being a member of a church that doesn't claim to have the complete truth.
---HappyLDS on 7/1/10


Higgins - is it that you don't understand what he said or that you choose not to? He said that our knowledge and our faith are not based on ancient TRADITION (such as man made creeds). Our knowledge and faith is based on continuous revelation - from Christ through prophets...as God has always communicated with us. (see Amos 3:7)

As a Mormon, my faith is based on the Jesus Christ of the Bible. The Jesus that was born of a virgin, taught in the temple, healed the sick, raised the dead, was baptized by John the Baptist, atoned for our sins, died on the cross. We study the Bible. We also study the Book of Mormon (as a companion to the Bible). When people claim we worship a different Jesus - they are revealing either ignorance or dishonesty.
---HappyLDS on 7/1/10


Okay, HappyLDS, you asked for it, so here it is:

"As a church, we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge, is not based on ancient tradition...Our faith, our knowledge, comes from the witness of a prophet in this dispensation." - Gordon B. Hinckley, April 2002, General Conference.

This dispensation that Gordon speaks about is the religious code set down by Joseph Smith. So, you are worhipping the Christ of Joseph Smith, not the Christ of the Bible.
---Higgins on 7/1/10


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Higgins - when making such bold accusations it would be an excellent idea to verify the context of the quote. President Hinckley was actually answering a question as to whether or not we believe in the "traditional" Christ. His response is that we do not follow the Nicene Creed or any other man made creed (which is what teaches the "traditional" Christ)...and we do not. We worship the Jesus Christ of the New Testament, Jehovah of the Old Testament. We believe that Jesus Christ suffered and died for our sins. It is unfortunate that so many distort our doctrines to mislead people. I hope that they will choose to seek the truth for themselves - go to the source for the truth.
---HappyLDS on 7/1/10


Kath -
I'm familiar with the Hymn... mostly because people such as yourself try to use it as "proof" the we worship a different God. I think I have heard it sung one time. It's actually a nice hymn. I don't deny the existence of other Gods - the Bible doesn't either. That being said, we worship only ONE GOD - our Eternal Father.

The purpose of my post was to question the "many differences" that Kurt said existed. Frankly I don't care what you or others claim to know about my beliefs. The truth is that you really don't know. All you know is what you read on anti mormon websites - distortions and out of context quotes. If ya'll are happy with that, it's ok with me.
---HappyLDS on 7/1/10


Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Mormonism has nothing to do with Christianity. In fact, their recently departed president said flat out that the LDS church does not follow the Jesus of the Bible. Since it is not Jesus of the Bible that they follow, their president admitted to following a false Christ!
---Higgins on 6/29/10


Happy LDS, "If You Could Hie to Kolob", the Hymn

"If You Could Hie to Kolob" is a Latter-day Saint hymn that was written by W. W. Phelps, a prominent early Mormon. The music is taken from a well-known folk tune known as "Dives and Lazarus". It is hymn number 284 in the hymnal for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The hymn reflects doctrines unique to Mormonism. It also conveys doctrines elaborated by Joseph Smith, Jr., the first Latter-day Saint prophet, about the plurality of gods and eternal progression. The word hie means To go quickly, hasten, which may be a conscious reference to the Hebrew " (Kol), meaning swift, fleet or light. Isa. 5:26)
---kathr4453 on 6/28/10


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Kurt, I'm not sure I see all the "differences"...
Abraham 3:2-4
2. And I saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest to the throne of God, and there were many great ones which were near unto it.
3. And the Lord said unto me: These are the governing ones, and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order as that upon which thou standest.
4. And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord, according to it's times and seasons in the revolutions thereof..."
---HappyLDS on 6/26/10


I haven't seen anybody post from the 1878 edition of the Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham, available on Google Books for free.

This version has many differences:

And I Abraham saw the stars, that they were very great, and that one of them was nearest unto the throne of God and the name of the great one is Kolob, because it is near unto me, for I am the Lord thy God: I have set this one to govern all those which belong to the same order of that upon which thou standest. And the Lord said unto me, by the Urim and Thummim, that Kolob was after the manner of the Lord. The Book of Abraham, Translated from Papyrus by Joseph Smith, 1878 edition.
---Kurt on 6/25/10


The mormans are No diff from All the other Man-made relig-org's churches, r-catholocism & her offsprings, J-witness, then the god's of hindu's, buddha, muslims, mohammed etc.
---Lawrence on 10/2/09


Samuel -

According to what I've researched you do not have correct information. (wow -that's a shocker!) My research has found that it is thought that Joseph Smith originally had five scrolls and that only eleven fragments of two of them have survived.

Do I believe that the Kolob thing is "ridiculous?" No, actually I agree with Doug on this one. Kolob is not said to be the planet where God lives and as much as people like to say it - it doesn't make it true. Kolob is a star and really doesn't have anything to do with doctrine. Just a tactical claim made to make Mormons seem crazy.
---HappyLDS on 4/25/09


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Kolob comes form the Book of Abraham which was an egyption scroll. Fortunatly for us Smith thought no one would ever be actually able to read Egyption Hieroglphs and copied the Hieroglphys down. So we can actuall read was is really written down.

The words of Smith and the atual writing do not match. The original scroll was also found if memotry serves me correctly. With a simple Egyption dictionary I can translate some of it.
---Samuel on 4/20/09


Which one sounds more crazy. That a celestial being lives somewhere in the celestial realm near a planet called Kolob, or that God is everywhere and nowhere?
---Doug on 4/19/09


Funny but True:
Seriously according to LDS:

Planet/star Kolob is where there is a "real" mormon throne and god in space, (not just some pretend Vulcan dude you see on Star Trek.)
---spinoza on 4/19/09


Merry Miss,

Are you sure you don't have your cults mixed up? The Heaven's Gate spaceship already left.

All joking aside, when people leave the truth and look to other groups and holy books, they can end up believing the most unbelievable things. Do and his group mixed Christianity with New Age mysticism, aliens, etc. and believed it so strongly that they were willing to commit suicide to reach the "Next Level" with no proof of its existence.

It is interesting, and sad, that the Bible, which has such a wealth of archaeological, geographical and documentary evidence is set aside in favor of Mormon literature, which has none. The planet, or star, Kolob, is another Mormon teaching for which there is no evidence.
---Laurie on 2/4/09


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I had a vision the other night from Joseph Smith, he told me that Kolob revolved around Uranus. He also made me a new Prophet,and said the space ship will come soon.

All hail Kolob!!!
---Merrie_Miss on 1/5/09


Yes - mikem - much like you did- threw out the baby with the bath water.

You know this stuff is bogus - it must give you great pleasure to think your hurting your CS/Pent family. Were they UP?

and the fundie thing is really getting to be a bore - can't you do better then that.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


Andrea- check out the 'walk away from fundamentalism' website, or "fundamentalist anonymous" site. It is a great help to those trying to escape the grasp of fundamentalism. Many recovering fundamentalist claim, "it like my mind coming out of a fog"

My only complaint it they throw out the baby with the bathwater.
---MikeM on 10/3/07


andrea, you keep referring people to the site josephlied when the whole site is a lie to deceive people like you and suck you into satans paradise of half truths, falsehoods and lies. I have seen everything on the site and I can see why people like you enjoy it so much. if I saw truth on the site however, it would probably knock me over in shock. I can show you scriptures that would teach you truths from the bible, but as long as you choose to listen to men over God, we are wasting our time.
---lori on 10/3/07


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The book of Abraham was where Joseph told this fable or was that the fable about the lost tribe and that the garden of Eden is in Illinois.
Isn't that why the temple had to be built there.....did God change His mind or did Joseph tell a lie

see josephlied
---Andrea on 10/3/07


Kolob is not a planet - it is a star. It is closest to the residence of God. Andrea - it's in the Pearl of Great Price which as a supposed former LDS member was highly available to you. It isn't talked about much because there isn't much to talk about. God was telling Abraham the governing order of the sun,moon and stars. It isn't as sinister as you wish people to think! Members are told to study the scriptures - it was always there for you to read, it wasn't being kept secret.
---Tammy on 9/16/07


The planet Koiob story like the golden plates, especially apron, and marriages in heaven are lies told by you guessed it--- Joseph Smith.
---Mima on 9/15/07


1)People are not told all the story - when I was in the LDS - I was never told any of this. The Book of Abraham is LDS canon scripture
1835, M. Chandler brought a traveling exhibition of four Egyptian mummies and papyri to Kirtland, Ohio, then home of the Mormons. The papyri contained Egyptian hieroglyphics. Rosetta Stone had been discovered in 1799 and not completely deciphered, translations from the Egyptian language were not available until the 1850s. Jos Smith, Jr., the founder of LDS
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


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2) Due to Smith's notoriety and claims to translate ancient records - the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, he was asked if he could transcribe the texts. Smith declared that two of the scrolls contained the writings of Abraham and Joseph of Egypt, out of this Book of Abraham came Kolob.

later Egyptologists have found that the translation was a fraud.
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


Denna: You're obviously quoting a source. Is it from Mormon idealogy?
---Leon on 9/15/07


The reason they insist is because they are told/brainwashed into believing they are Christians. Too bad they do not know the truth. Most have never had a chance to study the Doctrine of Jesus Christ.
---jody_martin on 9/15/07


If you know your Bible, you can prove this. Jesus said "He called them gods, to whom the word of God came" (in John 10:34). Someone on Kolob got God's word, became a god..."as He is" (1 John 4:17) so he then could come here and do God's thing here (earth is where I'm writing this). But if the Mormon god from Kolob does not give you "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:29) in sweet and sensitive sharing with our Father, now we have a problem.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/15/07


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Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the Moon?... When you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the most ignorant of their fellows. So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question about it, it was not made in vainJournal of Discourses, Vol 13, p. 271, p. 95
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


How many earths are there? ...they are continually coming into existence, and undergoing changes and passing through the same experience that we are passing through... Sin is upon every earth that ever was created. ...consequently every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter...
LDS Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1870, Vol. 14, p 71
---andre5846 on 9/15/07


Kolob means "the first creation." It is the name of the planet "nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God." It is "first in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth."
---denna7667 on 9/15/07


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