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Were Apostates Ever Saved

What is an apostate? Are they saved or were they ever saved?

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Read Luke 22:32 concerning Peter.
---duke on 12/15/07


I believe that Christ is the decider of salvation - there is no one good enough. the minute you think your good enough - your not. PRIDE!
On the other hand I don't see God tolerating sin, but if your born again the desire to sin should leave. Not that people don't continue to sin, but there should be a real desire to stop.

I've seen a number of people who say they used to be a christian - I don't know if they ever were. But I don't know.
---Andrea on 9/22/07


Some Christians can apostatize without actually leaving God. Now >>>Balaam was a false money-grabbing prophet in Numbers 22-25. The error of Balaam was merchandise of the gospel ministry. MANY Modern Apostates do this. Jude's concern: "For there are certain men crept in unawares...The word "Unawares" "Means" "Having settled down alongside.>>Cain Brought bloodless sacrifice to God.The apostate liberals of our day, they look to culture rather than to Calvary.>1 John 3:11-12.
---catherine on 9/22/07


Eternal security is also called "impossibility of apostasy," or "once saved, always saved." This doctrine teaches that it is impossible for a child of God to so sin as to fall from grace and be eternally lost. This belief - salvation is unconditional, there is nothing a person can do to be saved, once saved there is nothing he can do to be lost. A belief - when a person becomes a child of God, it is impossible for him to so sin as to fall from grace and be eternally lost.
---Rebekah_Martin on 9/22/07


"Once saved, always saved" is comforting.
It tells people what they would like to hear, if we or our loved ones fall into sin, they will still receive eternal life.

It is a false doctrine because it clearly contradicts Scriptures in nearly every book of the Bible.

It is also a dangerous doctrine because it leads people to think they are safe even if they don't examine their lives, don't study the Bible, and don't repent of sin.
---Rebekah_Martin on 9/22/07




It leads preachers to not warn sinners that they need to repent.

I have personally known people who told me of terrible sins they deliberately and knowingly committed, justifying themselves because they believed it would not affect their salvation. I have known teachers who justified those very people saying that they would not have lost their salvation even when committed those sins.
---Rebekah_Martin on 9/22/07


Jody, um, God can bring ANY person back to faith in him. This is an absurd thread anyway, as if it is up to us to decide who is in heaven.
---Mark on 9/21/07


Read the Parable of the Sower. Most Christian's faith today is built on sand. For the time is at hand to put on the whole armor of God. AS times get tougher, Chritians will lose their faith in God. The coming times will be like the Jewish holocaust for the Christians. It's time to pray continually that you and yours are worthy of God's protection. Find the Christian underground railroad. Trust only God to guide you. My prayers go out to all of you.
---Steveng on 9/20/07


Denna::OSAS theory is based on Presumption. they believe Once saved always saved.How they arrive at this conclusion, is beyond me. The evil one has leadthem up the gardenpath, they smell the flowers & think they are in heaven.ie they live in a false world of Presuming on Gods mercy & continueing too live as before & think its ok to sin, God will forgive them.IF they ever get to see God who abhors sin This is a devils ploy.
---Emcee on 9/20/07


To be an apostate, you would have had once believed in order to reject your faith. By the nature of the word apostate, yes the person was probably saved. I believe apostacy is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Because when one rejects his/her Christian faith in totality as apostate, it is calling what is of God, no longer of God. You cannot bring a true apostate back to repentence.:)
---jody_martin on 9/20/07




Webster says, "one who has renounced or forsaken his religious faith, a total desertion or departure, one who has given up the principles to which he once adhered, the abandonment of former allegiance."

Does this shoot down the OSAS theology?
---denna7667 on 9/20/07


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