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Moses Out Of Book Of Life

Revelation 13:8 says this," And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Is the book of life of the Lamb same book of life that Moses said take my name out off?

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"This site calls it apostasy." If you disagree with so much of what this site promotes why do you stay? Im just asking for reference purposes and not being disrespectful."

I agree with this site 100%, because it calls the OSAS doctrine a false gospel and apostasy. What are you talking about?

Defintion of Apostasy -

Turning or falling away from true gospel teachings as individuals or as a people.

Christianet lists OSAS among false Gospels.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/30/07


Matthew,

I accept the truth as Holy Spirit gives me discernment, wisdom, and knowledge through God's word.

"This site calls it apostasy." If you disagree with so much of what this site promotes why do you stay? Im just asking for reference purposes and not being disrespectful.
---denna7667 on 9/30/07


The book of conscience: Although man's conscience is not an infallible guide, he will nevertheless be condemned by those occasions when he dilberately violated it. Book of words: Book of secret words: God shall judge your secret words. Book of public works: And the book of life: Only scriptures. PS.69-28. David asked God, "may they be blotted out of the book of life". Also Rev. 13-8. Please ask for forgiveness in the name of Jesus each day [throughout] and those sins that I know nothing about.
---catherine on 9/29/07


Denna, I'm just passing the truth of the Word to you. If you don't want then I'll move on now. I'm gonna put some of Christianet's bible quizzes. I would also direct you to the e-cards. Look under apostasy. OSAS is right there under apostate doctrines. The MOderator that posts your posts does not believe in OSAS. This site does not promote OSAS. This site calls it apostasy.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


Christianet's
False Gospels Quiz


7. A Christian does not have to change his lifestyle to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

The correct answer is False.


Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07




Christianet's
False Gospels Quiz


7. A Christian does not have to change his lifestyle to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

The correct answer is False.


Galatians 5:21 - Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


2)
Denna also learn the difference between judging and rebuking. The Bible tells us not to judge but it does tell us to rebuke and admonish other brothers/sisters who are in unrepentant sin.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11



9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters, for then must ye needs go out of the world.

---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


3)
11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat.

Denna, Paul, says to not keep company with anyone of the world then says, also, don't keep company with anyone who is a fellow Christian who does the same things, do not even eat with them.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


4)
If you see a Christian say to another Christian who refuses to repent of a sin "Go away I dont want to have anything to do with you." Would you say he is judging? No matter what you call it, Denna, that Christian is obeying the WOrd and doing what Paul said to do. Read all of 1 Corinthians 5.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


Christianet's
Sin and Repentance Quiz



5. We should judge the sins of other Christians.

The correct answer is False.


James 4:11 - Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.


---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07




Christianet's
Sin and Repentance Quiz


6. We should rebuke other Christians who are living in sin.

The correct answer is True.


Luke 17:3 - ..If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him, and if he repent, forgive him.


10. Sin separates us from God.

The correct answer is True.


Isaiah 59:2 - But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


Christianet's
Sin and Repentance Quiz


21. You must forgive others to receive forgiveness from God.

The correct answer is True.


Matthew 6:14 - For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:



25. Repentance is a requirement of salvation.

The correct answer is True.


Luke 13:3-5 - I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


5) I want to let you know why I put these quiz questions.

I did it so I can let you know those who run this site believe as I do. This way you can know that saying I belong to a cult because I believe that one can walk away from salavtion is also calling those who run this site a cult. They believe ones name can be blotted out of the book. I reiterate from before.

OSAS is listed in their ecards as an apostate/false Gospel.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/29/07


Cult: A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. They have the only interpretation that is correct or special information.

Sounds similar to some people who post here.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
---denna7667 on 9/29/07


Matthew,

I do trust in the inspired word of God, discernment from Holy Spirit, and the godly teachers and preachers I learn under. Not all teachers are false teachers.

You might should study the section on judging. I do pray and fast daily but I do not judge people.
---denna7667 on 9/29/07


catherine, it is up to each individual soul whether their name remains in the book of the justified or not, for many are blotted out of heaven and they never return because they, like Judas, chose to depart from the Lord God Jesus and the faith.
---Eloy on 9/29/07


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Denna, I don't use commentaries. I have none. In learning the Word I trust in what Jesus said here....

John 16:13
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Teahcers are helpful but only when they are Godly lead. You must test what every teacher teaches with the Word.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


2)And I will tell you in these days, near the end times, most teachers are false, Denna.

As far as OSAS goes I know what the Word says...
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


3)2 Peter 2
20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22"A dog returns to its vomit,"
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


4)
Peter described going back to the world after being in the righteousness of Jesus Christ like a dog returning to HIs vomit.
When understanding that passage I say pray and pray and fast, asking the Holy Spirit what the interpretation is. Because I ask you, Denna, what good does it do to use a commentary if the commentary is full of misinterpretations? How does that help you? Run to the Holy Spirit, not books.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


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5) 2 PEter 2 is very to the point and let me tell you something, it means what it says.

1 John 2
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


6)
1 John 2
15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


7)
1 John 3


6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


8)
I will reiterate what these passages and I truly believe it because it is the Word of God.

"Whoever does righteousness is righteouses just as he is rightesous"

This shows that the righteousness of Christ is seen and not invisible.

"He that commiteth sin is of the Devil"

I know that if I see a drunkard, a adulterer, a liar etc. say they are born again is deceived. Because my BIble, not me, says one who commits sin is of the Devil.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


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9)

Galations 5
19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

We believe it or twist it. Make your choice.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


10) Revelation 22:18-19

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

So who has a part in the book of life, heaven and the promises of the Saints? Unbelievers or believers? Why warn an unbeliever they will get blotted of the book and heaven? Who was Revelation written for? Believers or unbelievers?
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


There is only ONE book of life. The other book you speak of in Rev., it shall indeed be opened. The scriptures The statue book of heaven, the rule of life. Now back to the book of life. It is heavenly record written by God before the foundation of the world. Those whose names are recorded in the book of life remains in that record and are supported by his confession that they belong to Him. It is up to Jesus whose names stays in the book of life on Judgement Day.
---catherine on 9/28/07


Matthew,

Just me, you, and everybody else who walks and who has walked the face of the earth he had sin in his life. There was only one who was sinless. 2 Corinthians 5:21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

You must have a different commentary than I have.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07


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2/2
Ex32:31 Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.:32..,if thou wilt forgive their sin--, and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.32:33 LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
---Andrea on 9/28/07


Denna, and God replied that he would blot their names out of the book and not MOses. MOses wanted to sacrifice His inheritance to atone for their sins. It's called love. God is just and fair and he thought what Moses offered was nonsense and replied that he would only blot those who sinned against Him out of HIs book.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


You said MOSes really meant "If you can't forgive them then you can't forgive me." What is it Moses needs to be forgiven of? Can you show me what sin? Jesus suffered so much to save us from our sins and made so many sacrifices. Moses had a similar kind of love and offered to sacrifice HIs inheritance in heaven. To God though, it's nonsense, and it won't get done becuase God is fair and just. This is why God replied "only those who sinned against me will I blot out of my book".
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


Just as I figured. The verse on Moses is taken out of context.

Moses is saying yes they have sinned in verse Exodus 32:32 "But now, if You will, forgive their sin -- and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"

He is saying IF you are NOT willing to forgive them their sin, then take my name out. He is saying if you cant forgive them, then you can't forgive me.
---denna7667 on 9/28/07


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Denna 7667--- EXODUS 32-35 or in that vacinity. Have a good night.
---catherine on 9/27/07


Denna, she is talking about Exodus 32:32.

Concering the books. There are multiple books (Rev 20:12). One book is the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 21:27 and Rev. 13:8). The scriptures also speak of a Book of Life (Rev 3:5), which one can be blotted out of. I believe this book to be the same as the Book of the Living (Psalms 69:28). I do not believe that if one's name is in the Lamb's Book of Life it can be removed. That's the way I see it, based on other scripture such as Rom 8:29-39.
---trey on 9/27/07


No. There is more than 1 book of Judgment written in heaven. There are 2 books of Law, 1 book of Knowing, 1 book of Choices, 1 book of Works, 1 book of the Repented and Tears, 1 large black book of Justification, and 1 book of the spirit of Desecration.
---Eloy on 9/28/07


Denna, the passages you are looking for are Exodus 32:32-33.
---Matthew_from_LA on 9/28/07


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Denna, I was wondering the same thing . Mima what and where is the scripture that states that Moses said take my name out?
---Cynthia on 9/27/07


Moses was asking God to take him out of the book of life. There is only one book of life. Moses was very distressed over Israelites sins. Their great sin was worshipping the golden calf. He wanted God to either forgive the Israelites or remove Him from the book of life. God said, "I will not remove you from the book of life, but only those people who willfully disobey me".
---catherine on 9/27/07


Where is it in the Bible where Moses said to take his name out of a book?
---denna7667 on 9/27/07


There is more than one book in the bible. In Revelation 20:12 it says the books were opened and another book was opened, which is the book of life. I could be wrong, but I believe that God has two books. One book has every name written in and everything that they have done, good and bad. And will be judged on all they've done. And the other book is for the righteous. The names of the true born again believers.
---Rebecca_D on 9/27/07


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I believe it is. According to Rev 20:12 there is only one book of life. There are several other "books" with records.
---john on 9/27/07


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